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thinking about a 2zzge motor swap?


2zzcorolla
04-07-2003, 09:35 AM
im thinking about doing a 2zzge motor swap to my 99' corolla. i just need the information. ive read a bunch of information on line, but its all the stats and tech note that the motor produces for the celica. (duh thats the car that its in) but i would like to know what type of differences there are in the engine bays, the motor mounts, the important stuff. And above all is it possible? every one has laghed at me so far because im a girl but we'll see who has the last laugh;) (maybe?)

CorollaS916
10-03-2003, 10:00 PM
Yes it'll work...Im working on finding out the requirements...my uncle works for toyota r&d and Im going to find out wat is required and such...so ill up date ya. My email address is acejax6@yahoo.com, u should email me cause I'll forget to post here again im sure.

nucesone
10-06-2003, 08:13 PM
hahahahahah (joke) im kidding it's cool that your planning on putting that 2zzge engine in there but think about performance,like a better engine like the 4age 20 valve or the 3sgte supercharged engines are cool but go with this turbo engine right of the MR-2 oh yea its mean any way if you need help ill try looking for monting and off course seeing if it fits email me at nucesone@yahoo.com ill show you the power the engine has

AceNZ_20v4AGE
10-12-2003, 05:35 AM
read up this thred... iv posted there

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1232964#post1232964

robbiec
10-27-2003, 03:10 AM
all 4age from may 87 have the same bottom engs aparts from high compression 20v n the super carged verient which only have forged or shot pend pistons
rods,crank n block are the same on all 4ag verients though from date above

Jus-10
10-29-2003, 04:00 AM
That's not actually correct robbiec. Only the GZE has forged and ceramic coated pistons. The 20V doesn't. Con-rods on the GZE are also about twice as thinck as the rods on all N/A variants. Again the GZE block is different. The late model variants have oil squirters in the cylinders. Early GZEs and N/A variants don't have this feature. Esentially the rest of the block isn't different, but if you are after big and reliable hp from a turbo 4AGE, this is the block for you!!

AceNZ_20v4AGE
10-29-2003, 08:13 AM
Your right Jus-10 apart from the AE101 gze uses th same block as both 20v's

robbiec
10-30-2003, 03:09 AM
um actuallky do ur research from may 89 all 4ag blocks r the same with oil squirters in the bores to cool the pistons n i tell u wat all 4ag blocks cranks n rods r the same i dont care wat ne of u punks say the only differences on the engines from may 89 is heads n pistons there is some who say the 4agze has a steel crank opposed to a cast iron one but even that isnt so if u reseach for long enough u will learn this to

Jus-10
10-30-2003, 04:49 AM
Ummmmm, yeah OK cause you're the only one that can read???

Is it May 87, or May 89??? Man the 4AGE has been around since like 83 in the JDM.

I actually know someone who has built a Turbo GZE and put it in a Sprinter and it had a steel crank...go figure! I also have a friend who has built a turbo 20V (silvertop) for his AE92 hatch And have you ever put the con-rods from a GZE next to a N/A engine? Try it and then tell me they are the same...

Man relax....I was just helping out OK. You do realise that there may just be people out there that you might be able to learn off?

Here's the link to my friends sprinter engine build:

http://www.toymods.org.au/

go to "Articles" and then to 4A-GTE for the write-up.

My other friend's turbo 20V is putting out 176kw at the wheels on a mild 9psi. It is currently being rebuilt for 25psi.

I think these people know a thing or two about building 4As, but then imagine how much power they would make if you built the engine for them robiec....

AceNZ_20v4AGE
10-30-2003, 06:19 PM
I would say what you read was wrong
JDM cars are sold here in 1000's there is plenty of thise engines around

I can tell you from experiance that the 20valves use lighter blanced rods over the gze versions which are heavyer, swapping gze rods into a 20v if ya going to turbo it is a must, but to keep the rev happy engine thise will also have to be blanaced.
Also silvertop and blacktop rod's very, blacktop is even lighter, this is one of the reasons a 20v isnt suited to a turbo unless lots of work is done including replacing the pistons.

20v's and gze's have oil squirters in the same 7rib cast block
and yes... gze pistons are coated (altho some are forged) and the 20valve ones arnt.

robbiec
11-03-2003, 01:59 AM
ok ive seen that toymods site b4 along with 259 other related sites plus building a turbo charged 4age 16v that with out modifying the rods or crank is capible of 400hp at the fly if this is so wat would the 4agze be capible of coz i tell u not 1 site give different information on the 4ag engines with ther exception of earlier model engine with tvis head n afm n 3 ribed block to the more resent map sensor 7 ribed block with knock sensor but none of the sites say that the rods r different there r one or to sites that say that the 4agze has a steel crank but only 1 or 2 of 260 if u see wat im sayin oh with the aditional information from work i work at a toyota dealership n a few guys have played with the 4agze n even they say only difference is in the pistons who knows maybe the 20v is different to the superchared engine but from wat i have read n heard the 16 is the same with the exception of forged pistons n mead work ie cam lift n port size

AceNZ_20v4AGE
11-04-2003, 04:27 PM
*rolls eyes*
well yes the 4age's uptill 1991 (ie. 16 valve ones) prolly are very close to the same I dont know since I own, and was talking about the 20valve, over here people have put turbos onto the 16valve and run low boost with out problems.. ohh and a thick head gaskit, as for the 20valves they wont take the boost all the rods are lightend and balanced, the safe way to turbo a 20valve 4age is to use gze rods (possably gze crack iv also hurd tons of diffrent answers on this) and custom pistons, I think (unsure) gze rods are close to the 16valve ones but still slightly stronger, but they both are abit beefyer than the 20valves

rollamods
11-17-2003, 04:20 PM
for reference, the smallport 100kw 4age and the late ae92 MAP 4agze both use the same rods and crank, and both have the 7 rib block with oil squirters. The only real difference is the pistons, where the GZE uses 8.9:1 forged and ceramic coated items, and the 4age pistons are cast. One of the guys at toymods has cut up both the 8.0:1 and 8.9:1 GZE pistons and confirmed that both types are indeed forged.
The part number for the rods in both the 12/1990 4age and 4agze is"
13201-19095 ROD SUB-ASSY, CONNECTING 01.05.1987-01.02.1991 4A#..AE92
http://62.117.101.85/imtoyota/parts/0080913E.gif

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