Tyrrell P34 1/20 (1976 Jodi Scheckter)

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klutz_100

03-07-2009, 02:11 AM

This is a particularly special build for me as it is part of a tribute build.

This kit belonged to a recently deceased modeller from the USA. His wife has given away his collection and several of us are jointly building the kits and sending photographs to his widow as a tribute.

The P34 is a car that has always intrigued me and inspired my admiration not just because it was one of the most striking and unusual looking cars in the history of F1 but also because of the innovative thinking that was the driving force behind that unique look.

"Project 34" took everyone by surprise in 1976 and was also a hair’s breadth away from being the first turbo charged F1 car. In the end, despite its forward thinking and potentially far-reaching design, it was destined to a short career that lasted only two seasons because…no one wanted to make the tires for just one team.

The build will be 95-99% OOB and I will be painting it with Motip auto spray can eyeball-matched to my reference photos. I will also try using Future floor polish for the first time to see how that performs as a clear coat.

I have been accused – nay, flayed! - in the past for making my posts too long so this time round I have a new, tight lipped approach :grinyes: (Any questions will be answered though :) )

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zeptrader

03-07-2009, 02:50 AM

I just love this car as well, I remmeber seeing it for the first time during the summer of '76 whilst the British GP was on TV, I was at the time with my mate playing with a mountain scalextric set, I turned and shouted WOW! look it has 2 wheels at the front..hehe

Since then I was hooked on this car, the livey, the style, everthing about it. I will be watching this build with much interest, and a nice touch as a tribute.

Is this the Tamiya 1/20 kit? the reason I ask is the only 1/20 P34 is the '77 version (at least that I know of) and I see you plan to do Scheckter's '76 car?

Superb start.
Cheers
Colin

ddtham

03-07-2009, 05:59 AM

This car is so ugly, it's actually sexy :D Can't wait to see more!

Did you ever find the S27 PE set for this?

jano11

03-07-2009, 06:30 AM

Finally! I was beginning to worry that we'll never see the WIP of this build. :D
Nice job ob getting rid of that orange peel effect. Any idea why it happened?

What's your impression about using Future to clear coat it?
That's enough questions, I'll concentrate now on following you build this interesting single seater. :)

klutz_100

03-07-2009, 09:08 AM

Is this the Tamiya 1/20 kit? the reason I ask is the only 1/20 P34 is the '77 version (at least that I know of) and I see you plan to do Scheckter's '76 car?
Thanks Colin. It's nice to know there are others who share my enthusiasm for this particular car :thumbsup:
Since you are from the UK and I'm guessing are about the right age ( :) ) Send me a PM with your email and I'll send you a little film I put together about this car - I have a sneaking suspicion you might enjoy it and it should evoke some memories for you LOL

Yes, it's a Tamiya kit. I recently discovered that this was actually Tamiya's first ever 1/20 scale kit and was in fact responsible for the scale even coming into existance! It was originally a motorised kit which is why a) they came up with the 1/20 scale to accommodate the battery and b) my kit has the removable battery panel in the floor and a gaping hole for the switch LOL

The 1977 Monaco version which was recently re-released by Tamiya was a follow up. They chose the Monaco version because that was (I think) the only race in the '77 season where Tyrrell used the '76 body. Tamiya did upgrade the kit though to include the suspension and some other changes.

This car is so ugly, it's actually sexy
I agree with you that it is sexy (but not ugly). It's the only F1 car with "six-appeal" IMO :biggrin::loser:

Sadly, no. I didn't manage to find the p/e set (yet). I want to build at least the '77 version as well so maybe I will manage to find it one day. Or someone will let me scan theirs so I could etch my own set.....

Nice job ob getting rid of that orange peel effect. Any idea why it happened?
No idea at all although I suspect that spraying it in a cold and draughty garage during a freezing, snowy humid weather didn't help at all! :rofl:

What's your impression about using Future to clear coat it?
I've gone on record HERE (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=5929642&postcount=8)

quadzero

03-07-2009, 11:01 AM

Excellent subject and a great cause for building this kit. Greedily looking forward to more of this model. I have top coated 2 of my models with Future and was very happy with the results. One thing for sure, it made my shop smell great.

klutz_100

03-08-2009, 01:15 AM

klutz_100

03-08-2009, 01:18 AM

guiwee

03-08-2009, 01:37 AM

Okay coupla questions 1.can you use future w/o airbrush..2.how long did you wait between coats....3.where did you get fuel lines from and where did you connect them too..4.ive built many models and not once have i ever filled injector pin marks, do you do it even if it cant be seen?.okay maybe more than couple

zeptrader

03-08-2009, 01:38 AM

Superb!

klutz_100

03-08-2009, 06:17 AM

1.can you use future w/o airbrush..
I can't but SeanyG for example sure can! Check out his builds. They are what prompted me to play around with this stuff in the first place

2.how long did you wait between coats....
Not long. This stuff dries pretty quickly anyway but in my case it was really fast because I use a dehydrator. I was coating every 10-15 minutes IIRC.

3.where did you get fuel lines from ...
It seems that the captions on the photos are not self-explanatory after all :evillol:
I used clear heat-shrink tubing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat-shrink_tubing). I held it over a candle just as if I was streaching sprue and as it softened and contracted, I pulled it lengthwise. Easy as pie.

3.... and where did you connect them too..
Thin air :D

4.ive built many models and not once have i ever filled injector pin marks, do you do it even if it cant be seen?
If you are sure they are not visible I agree, why on earth fill them? However, in this case most are visible and it was simply easier to just fill them all rather than dick around trying to figure out which would be visible and which not...

jano11

03-08-2009, 06:46 AM

The engine looks terrific! The wiring and the clear tubing give a very realistic look. :thumbsup:
Also the Future clear coat looks good, I'll have to give that a try!

PS: Do you use a dehydrator that has a reliable thermostat or one of those with only On/Off settings (dangerous for a plastic kit)?

klutz_100

03-08-2009, 08:02 AM

PS: Do you use a dehydrator that has a reliable thermostat or one of those with only On/Off settings (dangerous for a plastic kit)?
It's a two setting (hi-lo) on/off machine. I tested and calibrated the temps for all levels before using it on a real kit. Temperature in the hottest place in mine is 50-55 degrees centigrade - well safe enough.
TBH I wouldn't have thought that any dehydrator would be dangerous to a kit. They are after all meant to dehydrate and not cook :) In any case, if you found that yours were to get to dangerously high temperatures, it is easy enough to modify the chamber with spacers and ventilation holes to moderate the temperature.

Here are some pics:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/KITS/dehyd_capacity.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/KITS/dehyd_capacity_02.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/KITS/dehyd_capacity_03.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/KITS/dehyd_capacity_04.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/KITS/dehyd_cut.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/KITS/dehyd_lid.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/KITS/dehydratorski.jpg

godfather23

03-08-2009, 10:07 AM

So is what you´ve been doing since your last WIP. I never thought to see you build a F1-car. But then again - you build anything - as to be seen with your dioramas, etc.

The porject comes along nicely. I understand that you shoot the Future with your airbrush-gun. Did you ever try to apply it with a brush? How would you describe the consistency of Future?

The engine is marvelous. Nice shades of gun metal and dreyish metal you have picked out. And your fuel lines are something else, yet again... Great stuff.

Robert

klutz_100

03-08-2009, 11:26 AM

Did you ever try to apply it with a brush? How would you describe the consistency of Future?
Yes, I did try brushing it once or twice but ... :banghead::banghead: Sean on the other hand only brushes it on and the results speak for themselves.

Klear/Future is just a little thicker than water and a little thinner then iced Vodka :D

Spike2933

03-08-2009, 11:35 AM

very cool to see more of your work :D your one of the best builders here and this build will be fantastic, I always just sit with awe when I see these kinds of builds that come out to perfection. engine wiring is flawless also, welldone

jano11

03-08-2009, 01:42 PM

It's a two setting (hi-lo) on/off machine. I tested and calibrated the temps for all levels before using it on a real kit. Temperature in the hottest place in mine is 50-55 degrees centigrade - well safe enough.
TBH I wouldn't have thought that any dehydrator would be dangerous to a kit. They are after all meant to dehydrate and not cook :) In any case, if you found that yours were to get to dangerously high temperatures, it is easy enough to modify the chamber with spacers and ventilation holes to moderate the temperature.

Here are some pics:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/KITS/dehyd_capacity.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/KITS/dehyd_capacity_02.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/KITS/dehyd_capacity_03.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/KITS/dehyd_capacity_04.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/KITS/dehyd_cut.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/KITS/dehyd_lid.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/KITS/dehydratorski.jpg

Thanks for the info and the pics!

rollover

03-08-2009, 02:38 PM

I'll have to try the iced vodka tecnique. Do you have a ration of shots:coats?

Your build is coming along very nice!

Decs0105

03-08-2009, 03:30 PM

He's building an F1 car, awesomeeeeee :runaround::runaround::runaround:

Great progress so far, the body looks really nice. Can't wait to see the engine in there :cool:

gionc

03-08-2009, 04:44 PM

He's building an F1 car, awesomeeeeee :runaround::runaround::runaround:

Yep Mr. D. I'm surprised too.

Very nice, Steve. I like the neat engine threatment. Aren't spark plugs wirings a bit oversized?

quadzero

03-08-2009, 05:23 PM

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y247/klutz100/WIPs/TYRRELL%20P34/p34_27.jpg

I had no idea you could do that with heat shrink tubing, and not distort it. How did you make the fittings that the lines connect to? Btw, the slight weathering and washes are perfect. Hard to believe this engine is really plastic on the inside.

klutz_100

03-09-2009, 01:39 AM

Thanks guys :thumbsup:

I'll have to try the iced vodka tecnique. Do you have a ration of shots:coats?
Most definitely a one-to-one situation :D
(although fine detail work gets a bit tricky after the third coat ;) )

Aren't spark plugs wirings a bit oversized?
Yes, I think they are a touch large. The wire is supplied in the kit and the cam covers are pre-drilled to accept it so I didn't want to bother fillling the holes and re-drilling. I don't think it looks too bad though.

How did you make the fittings that the lines connect to?
Thanks, Les. The injectors are Tamiya kit parts. Nicely molded and separate parts.
I was going nuts trying to find some tubing in my workshop - anything I could find was way out of scale and not flexible enough for the tight space available. Then I had a brain fart, gave it a go and it turned out to work beautifully. The shrink tubing I have is very soft so the resulting product is extremely pliable and is easy to weave through the engine. I guess this would make good radiator piping also...

gionc

03-09-2009, 03:08 AM

NEEDED! Union Jack roof decal for Fujimi New Mini. Please help!

Steve, I did a check and my mini haven't UJ decal: I'll print on white BMF decal paper and send together with MM seats.

klutz_100

03-09-2009, 06:31 AM

Steve, I did a check and my mini haven't UJ decal: I'll print on white BMF decal paper and send together with MM seat
Cheers Gio :thumbsup:
I need it this year though :rofl: ;) j/k thanks again

gionc

03-09-2009, 02:06 PM

Cheers Gio :thumbsup:
I need it this year though :rofl: ;) j/k thanks again

Prrrrrrrrr :D

Let me think.... this year... I guess I'll do goal also leaving italy walking the dog with the evelope in the pocket :D

Let me see the stuff: is the flag cut by the roof shape or has it kind shape/edges inside the roof outline?

klutz_100

03-09-2009, 11:16 PM

KevHw

03-09-2009, 11:53 PM

Holy crap, wow! Incredible detailing. Nice idea with the syringe needles as suspension dampers.

Robi J

03-11-2009, 05:17 AM

Generally speaking excellent, Steve. The photos, the tutorial-like sequence/explanation, the weathering, the execution itself.

I love the engine/drivetrain :grinyes:

Robi

sportracer02

03-11-2009, 06:22 AM

How could I miss this ???????????????????????????????????????

Generally speaking excellent, Steve. The photos, the tutorial-like sequence/explanation, the weathering, the execution itself.

Nothing to add, great job !!!!

stevenoble

03-11-2009, 10:13 AM

Looking marvelous...

klutz_100

03-11-2009, 02:22 PM

zeptrader

03-11-2009, 02:45 PM

That looks awesome, brilliant, I want one!!!!!
I have a card model on the go, bloody hard though.

really really nice.

Cheers
Colin

jaykay640

03-11-2009, 04:00 PM

That's coming along real nice!

KevHw

03-11-2009, 09:29 PM

The valve cover and different wiring around the engine really does make it look like you've shrunk the real thing down. All the different metallic shades are very effective. Can't wait to see the final stages of this monster :smile:

klutz_100

03-13-2009, 12:10 PM

Thanks guys :)

My poor man's P/E set:)

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/tyrrell_p34/P34/p34_44.jpg

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/tyrrell_p34/P34/p34_45.jpg

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/tyrrell_p34/P34/p34_60.jpg

SEAT

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/tyrrell_p34/P34/p34_56.jpg

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/tyrrell_p34/P34/p34_57.jpg

I shall probably re-do this part - it came out too small IMO :(

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/tyrrell_p34/P34/p34_58.jpg

stevenoble

03-13-2009, 12:13 PM

You are making fantastic progress, it looks great..!!

SeanyG

03-13-2009, 01:29 PM

Ste,

this is looking great.. and glad you had the same success with Johnsons Klear as I have. This is turning out to be up there with the best P34 builds. Great stuff!

Shunter

03-13-2009, 03:16 PM

Excellent work on a glorious car, enjoying the build.

jla

03-13-2009, 05:13 PM

Awesome build from you as usual... now I have to order some antiquing fluid (its probably the same thing as blacken-it isn't it? probably more cost effective too) and one of those neat double knives.

gulfclk

03-14-2009, 01:11 AM

Very nice built indeed!

I have to agree with you ... F1's is not my thing either, but detailing them is more fun than anything as everything is so visible. Might be addictive to me as well.

Keep up the good work!

klutz_100

03-14-2009, 02:07 AM

now I have to order some antiquing fluid (its probably the same thing as blacken-it isn't it? probably more cost effective too) and one of those neat double knives.
Yes, pretty much the same stuff I guess....
Alex Kustov also came up with a sweet alternative to the knife - two scalpel blades taped together with a styrene spacer between them.

mrawl

03-14-2009, 06:14 AM

Super work. The engine is sublime. And... PAINT THE DAMN FLAG ALREADY! ;)

klutz_100

03-14-2009, 07:42 AM

And... PAINT THE DAMN FLAG ALREADY! ;)
:rofl:

NO! YOU TRY MASKING AND PAINTING THE DARN THING!! :D

guiwee

03-14-2009, 02:16 PM

I too have this model and i want to try a detailed projectlike this im not good enough to make my own stuff so ill probably have to buy the p/e sets off web and maybe the tubings and fittings and hoses and stuff.
When undertaking such a task how do i go about it? Ill try to get ref. pics. from web and here but how do i know what size hoses and wires and tubings to buy? Id hate to buy all this expensive stuff and find out its too big or small. i.e. how big are the coolant hoses?
Also all of the wires are they all connected or just into a bulkhead or something.
Figuring out this stuff is a headache to me but im willing to undertake the task to please the modeling powers that be.
i was gonna try to ease into it by just doing some plumbing on engine then i said hey i can prob do some brake lines too!..Are yours connected to anything or just thin air?
Do you see where im coming from with this ???
Any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated

jano11

03-14-2009, 03:05 PM

Amazing work! The engine + transmission are impressive.

PS: Why don't you want to try to painting the Union Jack? You can try to do the masking and see if it's worth painting. What's there to be lost? Some masking tape or BMF?

klutz_100

03-14-2009, 11:20 PM

What's there to be lost? Some masking tape or BMF?
A bunch of time when there's no need to :)

but im willing to undertake the task to please the modeling powers that be.
There's only one "power that be" you need to please and that's yourself.
If you don't want to do it - don't do it!

Some of the tubing and wiring for the engine was included in the kit and the rest is just made up with stuff I had around the workshop - mostly 0,4mm wrapping wire. The only paid for aftermarket items on this build are some Detail Master braided wire and fittings and some generic photo etch bolt heads and Duzu fasteners.

Most of the wiring (but not all) is loosely based on what I could see in reference photos I found on the web and got from friends. The majority of the ends just disappear into space in unseen places. As for sizes generally, the only useful guide to remember is that 1 inch in 1/1 equates to approx 1mm in 1/24 so 1/4" hose = 0,25mm wire etc. Other than that, ref photos of the car you are building and lots of Googling are your best friends.

Personally I don't get too uptight about 100% accuracy. I just tend to pick on a couple of individual details that I'd like to work on for a given project and the rest is just to try and create some semblance of reality. If it works for me that's all I need :)

PS I do have a tendency to always pick detailing items that are often not visible in the finished build so it IS worth your while giving some thought to where you are directing your energy! :lol: (of course, unseen details are great place to practice and hone your skills)

guiwee

03-15-2009, 12:52 AM

Thanks for the timely response klutz i appreciate it.If you have any ref pics you could send my way or links to such sites i appreciate it.I notice you are from poland..they say modeling is big in europe..i think its bigger there then here in the states..btw great work on the shocks i dont even know if you can buy different gauge needles here in the states..is it legal?maybe you need a prescription...lol..i dont know

klutz_100

03-15-2009, 01:25 AM

jano11

03-15-2009, 07:09 AM

And you call this 95% OOB?!

PS: I was wondering when will the OOB stop and the detailing madness take over! :D

klutz_100

03-17-2009, 02:21 AM

And you call this 95% OOB?!

PS: I was wondering when will the OOB stop and the detailing madness take over! :D
Well, perhaps 85% then :D :p

gionc

03-17-2009, 03:04 AM

Quite nice Steve, the appeal of any single material/threatment, starting from alu sheets, casted metal, painted body are very convincing.
Now, say me who done the job :D

Jokes apart, very bravo!!!!!

klutz_100

03-17-2009, 03:16 AM

Now, say me who done the job :D
Very Top Secret KGB guy :naughty::naughty:

jochen kieslich

03-17-2009, 03:51 AM

Mmhhhh, Stevenski, this is coming out really nice!!!
I like your pics a lot, the contrast between the kit and the colour of the paper in the back is very nice.
BUT as stupid as i am i started to comment the layout of your post instead of telling you how fine you are working here!!!!
(It's like the mum who wanted to sent 20 bucks to her son but the envelope was empty and later on she mentioned "oh, i WANTED to sent the money BUT i already closed the mailer......")

Now, seriously, FINALLY, Superb detailling, accurate work and very nice metallic FX on the engine and gearbox!! The grain on the knob is killer.

Btw, i know about hidden details, i can tell you that........

I'm awaiting the accomplishment of your sexy-(oh äähh SIX-)wheeler!!

Yours
Jochen

Khaotic1

03-17-2009, 04:46 PM

Stunning craftsmanship. Since this is your first F-1, do you now have more ?

klutz_100

03-18-2009, 11:47 PM

Thanks Jochen!
I also think she's a "sixy" beast :biggrin:

Since this is your first F-1, do you now have more ?
Yep, I sure do! :):)

I am so so close now. Really I am just biding my time for a shipment with the last part to arrive.

WING SUPPORT AND STANCE TEST

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/tyrrell_p34/P34/p34_61.jpg

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/tyrrell_p34/P34/p34_62.jpg

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/tyrrell_p34/P34/p34_63.jpg

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/tyrrell_p34/P34/p34_64.jpg

There were some decals left over that I couldn't really figure out at first what on earth they could be for. Finally I figured it out :)

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/tyrrell_p34/P34/p34_69.jpg

Kind of strange since there is no figure included in the kit!! LOL

But rather than throw them away and to use up the waiting time, I felt it was time for some fun - no diorama but some accessorizing instead!! hehe!

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/tyrrell_p34/P34/p34_70.jpg

The first step was rather gross!! You can imagine how it felt sawing of the guy's head and then drilling out his face :rofl:

However, the orange decal stripe turned out to be less than useless - wrong scale I guess so I went the route of mini-masking (this thing is tiny!).

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/tyrrell_p34/P34/p34_71.jpg

I also cut of his feet to make so racing boots and his hands for gloves (flattened in heated pliers).
(I am very proud of that tiny 0.5mm blue stripe! :) )

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/tyrrell_p34/P34/p34_72.jpg

And with the "donor" :grinyes:

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss141/tyrrell_p34/P34/p34_73.jpg

Next post - completed model YAY

Khaotic1

03-19-2009, 12:22 AM

That is an insane build.:eek7:

I sure would like to see you build a Brit. F-1....:wink:

sportracer02

03-19-2009, 01:41 AM

Hi Steve,

great job all over ...

Do you cover the helmet with clear, the "Jody" decal looks rather "high" ?

klutz_100

03-19-2009, 06:38 AM

Hi Steve,

great job all over ...

Do you cover the helmet with clear, the "Jody" decal looks rather "high" ?

hey Mr. Eagle Eyes :D

You are of course right. Clear under decals but not over (yet).

jano11

03-19-2009, 07:56 AM

Looking better everytime it's updated.

PS: Why didn't you simply put a driver in that seat?

klutz_100

03-19-2009, 08:12 AM

PS: Why didn't you simply put a driver in that seat?
Because I didn't want a driver in the seat. Simply. :D

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