here is a list i have compiled for the guys @ supercars.net, but only like 3 care, so i felt like posting it here, it needs correcting and i know you guys will help me out on that





McLaren F1 Locations in America

1. Herb Chambers who owns a large chain of car dealers in New Hampshire owns a black over tan F1.

2. Carl Beal who lives in Midland, Texas owns a large financial company owns a silver F1 that was lent to Road and Track a few years ago for a top-speed shootout. It has also been seen @ his second residency in Aspen, CO. Currently driven by his son. License plate: M LAREN


3. Rapper Wyclef Jean owns a F1

4. Jay Leno owns an F1

5. A black F1 resides somewhere in the Dallas area

6. A F1 GTR resides at the BMW museum in Spartanburg, SC. It's one of the FINA cars - it wears #39. It has also been seen at Prototype Technologies Group locating in Winchester, VA which is BMW's U.S. Motorsports research and development company owned by Tom Milner. They fielded the M3 GTR's in the American LeMans series over the past few years. It's possible that the F1 GTR belongs to him or to PTG and is loaned to the BMW Museum in Spartanburg, SC. It's also possible that PTG was simply servicing the car for BMW

7. Motorcars International currently has another titanium gray F1 in stock

8. Dan Kennedy, a financial advisor in Scottsdale, owns a gold F1

9. Ralph Lauren definatley owns 1 Mclaren F1, and had another on order 2 years ago, whether or not he received it is unknown

10. Someone close to Will Turner of Speedvision World Challenge fame owns three Mclarens. He has two normal F1s here in the States and an LM that he keeps in England. Chassis #07. Possibly Frank Seldoff

11. There is a silver McLaren that has been spotted recently on the streets of LA near Beverly Hills. My roommate saw it and a member of the Corvette Forums also saw it and took two pictures

12. One car that wasn't mentioned but should have been is the Blue XP4 which was featured in the Top Gear McLaren F1 movie with Tiff Needel that so many of us are familiar with. There were several pictures of that car that floated around the net about a year ago showing it in front of a very nice house with a 360 Modena and 911 Turbo in the garage. It was wearing a CA Dealer plate in the photos. -448 Quail Run Drive. Fremont California. Between San Jose and Oakland

13. 1 in Oak Brook Illinois, near Chicago

14. 1 in Woodside, California, between San Franscisco and San Jose. North of Palo Alto and Mountain View. It is owned by Larry Ellison, Oracle CEO

15. 1 in Santa Cruz, California, South of San Jose over the mountains, by the ocean. (he has a multiple 959’s awaiting DOT certification and his Bugatti EB110SS is currently for sale)

16. Lawrence Strohl, former CEO of Tommy Hilfiger, owns the Mont Tremblant circuit in Canada and a McLaren F1

17. Gerd Petrik, who lives in Florida owns a silver McLaren F1 along with many other exotics including an XJ220

18. There is a McLaren F1 located somewhere in Mckinney, TX, which is North of Dallas

19. Chassis # 19R is currently for sale at Symbolic – La Jolla or Beverly Hills, CA. (MAY NOT BE IN THE US YET!)

20. An automotive forums member who seems to know a ton about McLarens says there is a third in Texas




:flash:

1) Herb Chambers lives in CT, ones dealerships in MA and CT
2) Wycleff Jeans car is not legally here. Ditto for his Zonda.
3) Leno owns 015.
4) Steve Will at Motorcars has claimed many F1s including the 069 Chicago car. The silve may be one of Petriks.
5) Petrik has sold both his car (one to Elon Musk) 045 and 067
6)Ralph Lauren does own two
7) Frank Selldorf (willTurners mechanic) owns three: 007, 068 (ex Brenner) and an LM
8) 069 in Chicago has been seized by USC
9)Ellison's is 064
your #15 would be Bruce Canepa who does not own any of the cars you mention. He often claims more than he has. The 959s are not his and are being modifiec with some Mickey mouse FI system.

XP4 was originally owned by the Bruce Mclaren family in NEw Zealand. Sold to Larry Blair. The place belong to a custom vehicle builder who has some type of a relationship with Blair.

Originally posted by gerd
1) Herb Chambers lives in CT, ones dealerships in MA and CT
2) Wycleff Jeans car is not legally here. Ditto for his Zonda.
3) Leno owns 015.
4) Steve Will at Motorcars has claimed many F1s including the 069 Chicago car. The silv to Larry Blair. The place belong to a custom vehicle builder who has some type of a relationship with Blair.


thanks for the info. one thing tho, i have pics of canepas mclaren @ the palo alto show, whos is it, and where do they live then??

ok, here is the updated list...






McLaren F1 Locations in America

1. Herb Chambers who lives in CT and owns a large chain of car dealers in MA and CT owns a black over tan F1.

2. Carl Beal who lives in Midland, Texas owns a large financial company owns a silver F1 that was lent to Road and Track a few years ago for a top-speed shootout. It has also been seen @ his second residency in Aspen, CO. Currently driven by his son. License plate: M LAREN

3. Rapper Wyclef Jean owns a F1 (NOT LEGALLY HERE)

4. Jay Leno owns chassis 015, a black F1 with red pinstripe down the side

5. A black F1 resides somewhere in the Dallas area

6. A F1 GTR resides at the BMW museum in Spartanburg, SC. It's one of the FINA cars - it wears #39. It has also been seen at Prototype Technologies Group locating in Winchester, VA which is BMW's U.S. Motorsports research and development company owned by Tom Milner. They fielded the M3 GTR's in the American LeMans series over the past few years. It's possible that the F1 GTR belongs to him or to PTG and is loaned to the BMW Museum in Spartanburg, SC. It's also possible that PTG was simply servicing the car for BMW

7. Motorcars International currently has another titanium gray F1 in stock

8. Dan Kennedy, a financial advisor in Scottsdale, owns a gold F1

9. Ralph Lauren definatley owns 2 Mclaren F1’s

10. Frank Seldoff, someone close to Will Turner of Speedvision World Challenge fame owns three Mclarens. He has two normal F1s here in the States and an LM that he keeps in England. Chassis’ #’s: 07 (Resides in MA) and 068, LM chassis # unknown

11. There is a silver McLaren that has been spotted recently on the streets of LA near Beverly Hills. My roommate saw it and a member of the Corvette Forums also saw it and took two pictures

12. One car that wasn't mentioned but should have been is the Blue XP4, owned by Larry Blair and previously owned by Bruce McLaren's family which was featured in the Top Gear McLaren F1 movie with Tiff Needel that so many of us are familiar with. There were several pictures of that car that floated around the net about a year ago showing it in front of a very nice house with a 360 Modena and 911 Turbo in the garage. It was wearing a CA Dealer plate in the photos. The house is not Larry Blairs, it belongs to a friend -448 Quail Run Drive. Fremont California. Between San Jose and Oakland

13. 1 in Oak Brook Illinois, near Chicago

14. 1 in Woodside, California,CA. (MAY NOT BE IN THE US YET!)

19. An automotive forums member who seems to know a ton about McLarens says there is a third in Texas




:D

How definite are you that Ralph Lauren owns two?
That's pretty amazing if it's true! Wonder if he bought one as an investment and only drives one, or if he drives both regularly?!

Anybody want to take a shot at listing all known owners worldwide?
:)

there is one in scottsdale arizona, probally listed it but i was too lazy to read all the names it was in a road and track i will have to look

Originally posted by faisalkhan
Anybody want to take a shot at listing all known owners worldwide?
:)

Go right ahead - I'm taking notes. ;) :D

>8^)
ER

mini_magic - I have revised your list to the best of my knowledge due to omissions, and innacuracies. My list may have some problems too, but I think it's more complete than your's has been and you did ask me to help you out with it. I included my comments in parenthesis using italicized text - anyone who can add to this or correct what's here is welcome to.

I also added a section at the bottom of "Oddballs" - these are cars that just don't offer enough concrete info to be included on the list yet IMHO. If anyone has specific info on those and can clear them up or eliminate them from the list that would be great. I have a feeling that most of my assumptions on those cars are correct, but I don't mind being proved wrong.

Also, in cases where I know or suspect that an F1 was one of the Ameritech cars - I have added "** Ameritech F1**" afterwards. If you know of any of those that are wrong or can add to the list, please feel free to speak up.

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McLaren F1 Locations in North America:

1. Herb Chambers - who lives in CT and owns a large chain of car dealers in MA and CT owns a silver F1. **Ameritech F1**

(If someone wants to claim that he owns a black one, then they need to provide better evidence than the photo of him on his website next to the silver one - www.herbchambers.com )

2. Carl Beal - who lives in Midland, Texas owns a large financial company owns a silver F1 (#042) that was lent to Road and Track a few years ago for a top-speed shootout. It has also been seen @ his second residency in Aspen, CO. License plate: M LAREN **Ameritech F1**

3. Rapper Wyclef Jean - owns an F1 road car - Genesis Dark Blue #038 (NOT LEGALLY HERE)

4. Jay Leno - owns chassis #015, a black F1 with red stripe on the ventline of the door. **Ameritech F1**

5. Dan Kennedy - a financial advisor in Scottsdale - started www.vstore.com and www.vcommerce.com - owns the F1 road car - #037 originally delivered in "Special Silver" but painted at his request by the factory to mimic the "Yquem" color of the last road car #075 - he calls the color "Kandy Orange". It is currently for sale - www.mclarenforsale.com

6. Larry Ellison - the CEO of Oracle owns a Silver F1 #064 **Ameritech F1**

(...unless he sold it, I heard a rumor that he might have in the wake of some emission probs)

7. Larry Blair - owns the Bright Electric Blue F1 prototype 'XP4', previously owned by Bruce McLaren's family in New Zealand. It was in the Top Gear McLaren F1 movie with Tiff Needel that so many of us are familiar with. There were several pictures of that car that floated around the net about a year ago showing it in front of a very nice house with a 360 Modena and 911 Turbo in the garage. It was wearing a CA Dealer plate in the photos. The house is not Larry Blairs, it belongs to a friend -448 Quail Run Drive. Fremont California. Between San Jose and Oakland

8. Ralph Lauren definatley owns 2 Mclaren F1’s - probably both **Ameritech F1's**

(could really use more details or any photos of these two cars....)

9. Frank Selldorff, who drives a Turner Motorsports BMW in the Speedvision World Challenge series, owns three Mclaren's. He has two normal F1s here in the States and an LM that he keeps in England. Chassis’ #’s: 07 (Resides in MA) and 068, LM chassis # unknown

(I don't believe that #68 is here in the states - possibly drewwtms from Turner can confirm??)

10. Bruce Canepa - former IMSA driver and owner of Canepa Designs - www.canepa.com - owns a titanium F1 road car. This is the Santa Cruz, California car. (he has a multiple 959’s awaiting DOT certification and his Bugatti EB110SS is currently for sale)

(Just to clarify - the "mickey mouse" ECU setup for the 959 was co-developed by GIAC - http://www.giacusa.com/porsche_959.htm - who is a very respected ECU tuner. Anyway, if it makes the cars legal then who cares...)

11. Elon Musk - former CEO of PayPal.com and Zip2.com, who is now working on his own private Mars exploration project owns a Silver F1 (poss #045 or #067) which he crashed, but had repaired by the factory. **Ameritech F1**

(Anyone know exactly which car Petrik sold to Musk? It seems that based on original color of "Magnesium Silver" that #067 would be the correct one)

12. A black F1 resides somewhere in the Dallas area

(I have heard about this car in a few places. Anymore info or some photos would be great. Also, see #20 on this list below)

13. Lawrence Strohl, former CEO of Tommy Hilfiger, owns the Mont Tremblant race circuit in Canada and a McLaren F1 - This car is Dk Silver.

(Anyone know if this would be Petrik's other car #045?? It seems to match the photos I have of that car.)

14. A F1 GTR resides at the BMW museum in Spartanburg, SC. It's one of the FINA cars - it wears #39. It has also been seen at Prototype Technologies Group locating in Winchester, VA which is BMW's U.S. Motorsports research and development company owned by Tom Milner. They fielded the M3 GTR's in the American LeMans series over the past few years. It's possible that the F1 GTR belongs to him or to PTG and is loaned to the BMW Museum in Spartanburg, SC. It's also possible that PTG was simply servicing the car for BMW

(I'm not sure if this car is still in the US - anyone, anyone?? Bueller??)

The oddballs:

15. There is a silver McLaren that has been spotted recently on the streets of LA near Beverly Hills. My roommate saw it and a member of the Corvette Forums also saw it and took two pictures.

(Could possibly have been Musk's car?? - had CA plates. Might be a duplicate of another??...)

16. An automotive forums member who seems to know a ton about McLarens says there is a third in Texas

(Ok - good for him... ;) )

17. 1 in Woodside, California,CA. (MAY NOT BE IN THE US YET!)

(Does this refer to the Red car coming through Los Gatos from Japan?? or Larry Ellisons's car?? He lives in Woodside so I am told.)

18. 1 in Oak Brook Illinois, near Chicago

(Wouldn't this be the Fox Valley Motorcars/Deusey car?? #069 Dk Grey w/LM Kit that was confiscated by US Customs?? I sure think so...)

19. Motorcars International currently has another titanium gray F1 in stock.

(This car is most likely the same car that sat in the showroom of Newport Autosport for so long. I would not be surprised if it's the car that now belongs to Bruce Canepa though I can't confirm this. Anyone have more info??)

20. Motorcars Intl advertised for sale #072 - a Black F1 road car with the LM-Kit a few years back. After that the car was seen displayed at the Blackhawk Museum in Danville, CA but has since been removed and apparently will not be returning according to museum staff.

(Anyone know the deal on this car?? Was it here illegally?? Has it left or could it be a duplicate of the black Texas car??)

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There you have it - that's my version of the list. Tear it apart if you want, but I'm fairly confident in most of the information up there.

>8^)
ER

20. Motorcars Intl advertised for sale #072 - a Black F1 road car with the LM-Kit a few years back. After that the car was seen displayed at the Blackhawk Museum in Danville, CA but has since been removed and apparently will not be returning according to museum staff.

(Anyone know the deal on this car?? Was it here illegally?? Has it left or could it be a duplicate of the black Texas car??)

>8^)
ER [/B]

This car used to belong to someone with the last name Gonzalez. He was the son of the founder of CommerceOne. He passed away due to stomach cancer and his eulogy was at the Blackhawk museum. The car was then displayed there for a couple of months or so. It was a well used example with lots of stone chips, scrapes and dents. It was a road going car with the high downforce package.

Since it is a post-96 car, it was probably here illegally. I think all the Amerispec cars are earlier models.

Present whereabouts unknown, but I have heard it is still with the Gonzalez family. There were two sons, and they were known for taking this car out to Nevada and "exercising it" against superbikes.

10

1) Wycleff jeans car is 022, no question, believe me.

2) Jay Leno's car is not one of the seven original Amerispec cars. But it was brough in under Fritz's Amerispec (JK Technologies) EPa certificate.

3) Ellison has not sold his car. The problems invovled a sting on a mechanic selling smog stickers by mail. CARB was rebuffed by Ellison's lawyers for months until they got to see the car.

4) I doubt that Turner or anyone else will admit to where #068 is. The S&D petition was withdrawn but I bleive the car to be at JK Technologies.

5)Canepa only owns one 959. He has had deals with others in the past although his reality and the owner's reality of ownership are often not the same. Only one car here legally under S&D but that is questionable since S&D requries application before the car enters the US and his car has been here for years. He does not own an EB110 according to S&D.
Canepa has been"tuning" the 959s he has for over two years. I can only imagine what the bill will be. Porsche will do the same for 15K EURO. Ask Gates. The 959 ECU is perfectly capable of being modified to meet EPA. Been there, done that. So I have no explaination as to why Canepa does what he does. $$$$

6)Foxvalley did not own #069. Wieringa car.

Other owners:
Ron Dennis
David Clark, off and on. Original salesman at McLaren on all cars.
The well knonw cominc, UK . Car wrecked, repaired.
George Harrison. Believe Eric Clapton has this car.

nice, peloton, how did u find out what chassis # Dan Kennedys was? anyway, i appreciate all the help u guys have given. i'm not ready to start a list of where every mclaren in at the moment, i may sometime in the near future, altho i'll have to do a lot more reasearch b4 i do.

faisalkhan-

Thanks for the extra info on that car. I'll see if I can use that to extract some more info on that car. It would seem to me that there is no way that car could be here legally and the evasive answers I received when I contacted Blackhawk about it have left me wondering. I will update if I learn anymore about that car.

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Gerd-

Thanks for adding what you know. :cool:

I looked back at the location where I had originally acquired the Wyclef chassis number and you are most certainly correct. I think #038 is the other Genesis Blue F1, and I must have confused myself when I updated my list. Who knows when I would have caught that, so thanks for mentioning that.

Thanks for the clarification on Leno's car - I knew that his arrived much later than the other Ameritech F1's so that had always puzzled me. I'll correct that later.

Good to hear that Ellison still has his car. I did hear that someone saw a silver F1 being loaded onto a flatbed tow truck on the side of the freeway in his area just a few days ago, so his may be having some problems with it.

As for Canepa, I was aware that he only has a stake in one of the 959's in his possession. In fact, I think he is only half-owner on the car. I have seen him display 3 different ones so I'm not positive which one belongs to him - I have seen a silver, white, and black with his name on them. I was not aware that Porsche would convert a 959 - that's very interesting. I do know that the GIAC software not only allows the car to be legal, but they also claim a HP increase in the process so maybe that is why people give him their $$$

He has also displayed the silver EB110 SS several times - I was lucky enough to see it in person on one such occasion. I have also seen photos of the car at his Santa Cruz shop where most of the 959's are stored. The Bugatti was recently listed for sale in the SantaCruz area on EBAY by the username (Canepasomething). I could dig up the auction info if you're interested - it's possible that he was just borrowing the car and was contracted to handle the sale.

Just to add a bit of info on #069 - the car listed by Fox Valley was apparently co-owned by Wieringa and a man named Paul Cherry - an associate of his.

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mini_magic - I have my sources on Kennedy's car. ;)

For some reason, Dan's not publicizing which F1 that is along with the sale. Maybe the car has some bad history from the previous owner - you never know. Someone from Supercars.net relayed that chassis # to me from a friend who took those Willow Springs photos when the car was used to film the Discovery Channel special. I can't say I'm 100% on it - but I have no reason to believe anything different. Knowing that his car is a 1995 and was originally Silver does allow #037 to be correct. We'll leave it at that until I hear otherwise.

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Anyone else care to add, delete or correct some info here?? I will update the list this evening or tomorrow to reflect the changes that are here. :cool:

>8^)
ER

when i said 17. 1 in Woodside, California, CA. (MAY NOT BE IN THE US YET!) i meant the one coming into symbolics, there is aparently one in woodside adn teh longtail coming into symbolics, the formatting must have gona funny

Cherry is/was here on a british passport. Trust me, Cherry doesn't have the money for such a car. He did work for McLaren at one time. Was Wiernga's Sigma team manager. Gone now.
there's a lot more to this story but I'm not talking.

If you ask Porche to convert a 959 to US spec, they will turn you away. It's who you know. Many years of good relations helps.

Porsche had a performance mod which spun the twin turbos together instead of sequentially. Lauren, Stone, Henrick had this mod done at Hendrick's place in Hickory, NC. Combined with some other mods this put the HP at around 520-550 from 450. What bothers me (it's hard to choose) about Canepa is the aftermarket software and chips are almost never what the manufactures claim, often not close. the only reliable guru in the chip/mod business is Jim Conforti. No BS with Jim.
Anyway, even the factory has problems. One unnamed 959 holed a piston during the first round of testing to US spec.

#038 is William D. Kennedy, G&K did the "mods".

Originally posted by gerd
Cherry is/was here on a british passport. Trust me, Cherry doesn't have the money for such a car. He did work for McLaren at one time. Was Wiernga's Sigma team manager. Gone now.
there's a lot more to this story but I'm not talking.

so he doesn't own the car? do u know who does and wether or not its in the us??

There's some confusion about the mclaren(s) in Woodside, which is a town in the heart of the silicon valley in California (20 miles south of San Francisco).

Larry Ellison has several houses there. He keeps it in his hangar along with a couple of planes. I have seen it there and know the person he leases the premises from. In fact, his pilot has occasionally driven his McLaren F1. Mr. Ellison rarely drives his car, but he still has it.

A venture capitalist named Seth Neiman working for Crosspoint Ventures also has a silver car. He drives it on dealer plates, so I am sure it has not been brought into compliance with S&D, etc. He keeps it in a place called the Candy Store, which is a private club with all sorts of gorgeous cars. He drives it fairly regularly.

Here's the strangest one. I met this mechanic who owns a shop called Autobahn Specialties. He claims his brother used to date Larry Ellison's secretary and they made a lot of money off Oracle stock and that he had one. I didn't believe it till I found out that his brother had indeed shown it at the Hillsborough Concours a couple of years ago. He confirmed that the car was not in compliance and was kept in storage except for being driven to the show on dealer plates. He had bought it off some Hollywood producer who needed some quick cash. He dug up some pictures of the car, but it could have been any silver McLaren anywhere.

I checked around and several people confirmed that his brother did own it. So I went back to Autobahn Specialties a few months later and this time I was told that he had sold it to a Tim Montgomery who made his fortune in some online mortgage company and now lives in Woodside. So this car may or may not exist and may or may not be in Woodside.

Further, I know a very exclusive Ferrari mechanic who does no advertising. He has some wealthy clients with F40s, F50s, etc. And he says there's at least two I don't know about in Woodside. He won't reveal them to me either.

So how does that change the list--can someone update it and post it, please?

Thx,
Faisal.

There's one in New Zealand, owned by a fellow named Rajat Bhatnagar, who owns some IT business.

Originally posted by faisalkhan
There's some confusion about the mclaren(s) in Woodside, which is a town in the heart of the silicon valley in California (20 miles south of San Francisco).

Larry Ellison has several houses there. He keeps it in his hangar along with a couple of planes. I have seen it there and know the person he leases the premises from. In fact, his pilot has occasionally driven his McLaren F1. Mr. Ellison rarely drives his car, but he still has it.

A venture capitalist named Seth Neiman working for Crosspoint Ventures also has a silver car. He drives it on dealer plates, so I am sure it has not been brought into compliance with S&D, etc. He keeps it in a place called the Candy Store, which is a private club with all sorts of gorgeous cars. He drives it fairly regularly.

Here's the strangest one. I met this mechanic who owns a shop called Autobahn Specialties. He claims his brother used to date Larry Ellison's secretary and they made a lot of money off Oracle stock and that he had one. I didn't believe it till I found out that his brother had indeed shown it at the Hillsborough Concours a couple of years ago. He confirmed that the car was not in compliance and was kept in storage except for being driven to the show on dealer plates. He had bought it off some Hollywood producer who needed some quick cash. He dug up some pictures of the car, but it could have been any silver McLaren anywhere.

I checked around and several people confirmed that his brother did own it. So I went back to Autobahn Specialties a few months later and this time I was told that he had sold it to a Tim Montgomery who made his fortune in some online mortgage company and now lives in Woodside. So this car may or may not exist and may or may not be in Woodside.

Further, I know a very exclusive Ferrari mechanic who does no advertising. He has some wealthy clients with F40s, F50s, etc. And he says there's at least two I don't know about in Woodside. He won't reveal them to me either.

So how does that change the list--can someone update it and post it, please?

Thx,
Faisal.



are u saying there are possibly 4 mclarens in woodside

updated list:



1. Herb Chambers - who lives in CT and owns a large chain of car dealers in MA and CT owns a silver F1. **Ameritech F1**

(If someone wants to claim that he owns a black one, then they need to provide better evidence than the photo of him on his website next to the silver one - www.herbchambers.com )

2. Carl Beal - who lives in Midland, Texas owns a large financial company owns a silver F1 (#042) that was lent to Road and Track a few years ago for a top-speed shootout. It has also been seen @ his second residency in Aspen, CO. License plate: M LAREN **Ameritech F1**

3. Rapper Wyclef Jean - owns an F1 road car - #022 (NOT LEGALLY HERE)

4. Jay Leno - owns chassis #015, a black F1 with red stripe on the ventline of the door. ** Fritz's Amerispec (JK Technologies) EPA certificate**

5. Dan Kennedy - a financial advisor in Scottsdale - started www.vstore.com and www.vcommerce.com - owns the F1 road car - #037 originally delivered in "Special Silver" but painted at his request by the factory to mimic the "Yquem" color of the last road car #075 - he calls the color "Kandy Orange". It is currently for sale - www.mclarenforsale.com

6. Larry Ellison - the CEO of Oracle owns a Silver F1 #064. Larry Ellison has several houses there. He keeps it in his hangar along with a couple of planes. I have seen it there a 360 Modena and 911 Turbo in the garage. It was wearing a CA Dealer plate in the photos. The house is not Larry Blairs, it belongs to a friend -448 Quail Run Drive. Fremont California. Between San Jose and Oakland

8. Ralph Lauren definatley owns 2 Mclaren F1’s - probably both **Ameritech F1's**

(could really use more details or any photos of these two cars....)

9. Frank Selldorff, who drives a Turner Motorsports BMW in the Speedvision World Challenge series, owns three Mclaren's. He has two normal F1s here in the States and an LM that he keeps in England. Chassis’ #’s: 07 (Resides in MA) and 068, LM chassis # unknown

(I don't believe that #68 is here in the states - possibly drewwtms from Turner can confirm??)

10. Bruce Canepa - former IMSA driver and owner of Canepa Designs - www.canepa.com - owns a titanium F1 road car. This is the Santa Cruz, California car.

(Just to clarify - the "mickey mouse" ECU setup for the 959 was co-developed by GIAC - http://www.giacusa.com/porsche_959.htm - who is a very respected ECU tuner. Anyway, if it makes the cars legal then who cares...)

11. Elon Musk - former CEO of PayPal.com and Zip2.com, who is now working on his own private Mars exploration project owns a Silver F1 (poss #045 or #067) which he crashed, but had repaired by the factory. **Ameritech F1**

(Anyone know exactly which car Petrik sold to Musk? It seems that based on original color of "Magnesium Silver" that #067 would be the correct one)

12. A black F1 resides somewhere in the Dallas area

(I have heard about this car in a few places. Anymore info or some photos would be great. Also, see #20 on this list below)

13. Lawrence Strohl, former CEO of Tommy Hilfiger, owns the Mont Tremblant race circuit in Canada and a McLaren F1 - This car is Dark Silver.

(Anyone know if this would be Petrik's other car #045?? It seems to match the photos I have of that car.)

14. A F1 GTR resides at the BMW museum in Spartanburg, SC. It's one of the FINA cars - it wears #39. It has also been seen at Prototype Technologies Group locating in Winchester, VA which is BMW's U.S. Motorsports research and development company owned by Tom Milner. They fielded the M3 GTR's in the American LeMans series over the past few years. It's possible that the F1 GTR belongs to him or to PTG and is loaned to the BMW Museum in Spartanburg, SC. It's also possible that PTG was simply servicing the car for BMW

(I'm not sure if this car is still in the US - anyone, anyone?? Bueller??)

15. Possibly 4 Mclarens in Woodside,
1. “Further, I know a very exclusive Ferrari mechanic who does no advertising. He has some wealthy clients with F40s, F50s, etc. And he says there's at least two I don't know about in Woodside. He won't reveal them to me either.” (THAT’S 2 MORE UNIDENTIFIED MCLARENS IN WOODSIDE
2. A venture capitalist named Seth Neiman working for Crosspoint Ventures also has a silver car. He drives it on dealer plates, so I am sure it has not been brought into compliance with S&D, etc. He keeps it in a place called the Candy Store, which is a private club with all sorts of gorgeous cars. He drives it fairly regularly.
3. Look @ #6


The oddballs:

15. There is a silver McLaren that has been spotted recently on the streets of LA near Beverly Hills. My roommate saw it and a member of the Corvette Forums also saw it and took two pictures.

(Could possibly have been Musk's car?? - had CA plates. Might be a duplicate of another??...)

16. 1 in Woodside, California, CA. (MAY NOT BE IN THE US YET!)

(Does this refer to the Red car coming through Los Gatos from Japan?? or Larry Ellisons's car?? He lives in Woodside so I am told.)

17. Motorcars International currently has another titanium gray F1 in stock.

(This car is most likely the same car that sat in the showroom of Newport Autosport for so long. I would not be surprised if it's the car that now belongs to Bruce Canepa though I can't confirm this. Anyone have more info??)

18. Motorcars Intl advertised for sale #072 - a Black F1 road car with the LM-Kit a few years back. After that the car was seen displayed at the Blackhawk Museum in Danville, CA but has since been removed and apparently will not be returning according to museum staff. This car used to belong to someone with the last name Gonzalez. He was the son of the founder of CommerceOne. He passed away due to stomach cancer and his eulogy was at the Blackhawk museum. The car was then displayed there for a couple of months or so. It was a well used example with lots of stone chips, scrapes and dents. It was a road going car with the high downforce package. Present whereabouts unknown, but I have heard it is still with the Gonzalez family. There were two sons, and they were known for taking this car out to Nevada and "exercising it" against superbikes.

[i]
Other owners:
Ron Dennis
David Clark, off and on. Original salesman at McLaren on all cars.
The well knonw cominc, UK . Car wrecked, repaired.
George Harrison. Believe Eric Clapton has this car. [/B]

Interesting that you think Jim Conforti does good work. I had one of his chips for my '91 M5 (it had a lot of AC Schnitzer mods as well) and it always felt much better than any other ones I got to drive.

Ron Dennis sold his to Nick Mason, the ex-Pink Floyd drummer. So, unless he had others, Ron Dennis is no longer an owner.

UK comic is Rowan Atkinson (Mr. Bean).

Larry Blair XP4

Brenner 068, sold to Selldorf

Clark (Calif) 024

Gonzales (TX) 072

Kennedy 038

Lauren 074, 055

Leno 015

Manelis (calif) 037

Meltzer 028

Schaevitz 014

Selldorf 007, 068, LM

Wieringa 069

Ellison, Petrik (2, since sold), Chambers, Beal, with Lauren, seven Amerispec cars.

Wycleff Jean

two more on the way, one yellow, one red.

beleive there may be two more illegally in the US.

Originally posted by gerd
Larry Blair XP4

Brenner 068, sold to Selldorf

Clark (Calif) 024

Gonzales (TX) 072

Kennedy 038

Lauren 074, 055

Leno 015

Manelis (calif) 037

Meltzer 028

Schaevitz 014

Selldorf 007, 068, LM

Wieringa 069

Ellison, Petrik (2, since sold), Chambers, Beal, with Lauren, seven Amerispec cars.

Wycleff Jean

two more on the way, one yellow, one red.

beleive there may be two more illegally in the US.


very interesting there is a yellow and red one on the way in, i assume the yellow one is the one talyor and crawley had listed a while back


also wyclef jeans is illegally in the US

Originally posted by gerd
Larry Blair XP4

Brenner 068, sold to Selldorf

Clark (Calif) 024

Gonzales (TX) 072

Kennedy 038

Lauren 074, 055

Leno 015

Manelis (calif) 037

Meltzer 028

Schaevitz 014

Selldorf 007, 068, LM

Wieringa 069

Ellison, Petrik (2, since sold), Chambers, Beal, with Lauren, seven Amerispec cars.

Wycleff Jean

two more on the way, one yellow, one red.

beleive there may be two more illegally in the US.


i was under the impression kennedys was #37, 38 belongs to Willian D Kennedy

bumpedy bump

anyone know the chassis numbers of herb chambers and seth neimans cars?

the yellow car on the way in is indeed the car from T&C, the guy from T&C said exactly that to me, also see the "yellow f1 car" thread

rgrds

maarten

#014 belongs to Gary Schaevitz. Approved S&D, 9/16/02.
C&R did the EPA work.

is #014 the yellow car were talking about?

Don't think that #014 is the same car sold by David Clark, a yellow one. Schaevitz lives in New York. THree cars have been approved this year (through May 1.) Jeans (#022) under a different name, 068 Selldorf, and one other. But I believe that Selldorf's LM may be the other.

i have that 014 is now owned by tommy caiola and its located in conneticut

I have a sighting to report:

I saw a red McLaren F1 on 6/28/2003 @ 10pm on route 175 in Maryland.

I was brining my brother and his friend home from the movies and I saw a very fast and very loud car pass me on the left as I was getting into an exit lane. At first I thought it was an Enzo, but then I floored it to get closer for a better look. I distinctly saw the four tail lights, and the air intake on the back of the car. Had I not been on the exit already I would have followed it to grab a liscence plate number.

I've seen a few pics of F1s that had the left and right rear view mirrors mounted on the very top of the car-- this one was configured in the same way.

sure it wasn't a Lotus Exige?

Well there is a red F1 road car supposedly coming to the US - I don't believe any are here now. I heard it was headed for the Bay area though.

I'm just speculating here, but it's certainly possible that it's at that ICI in Maryland (JK Technologies) and that someone took it out to have some fun with it...

amanichen - Were you anywhere near this place at the time of the sighting?

J.K. Technologies, L.L.C.
3500 Sweet Air Street
Baltimore, MD 21211
Rep: Jonathan Weisheit
Phone: (410) 366-6332
Fax: (410) 366-7655
Email: convert2us@aol.com

I think J.K. was the ICI that Dick Fritz used to convert several of the F1s he was responsible for bringing in.

Just a guess anyway...

>8^)
ER

Originally posted by tvrfreak
sure it wasn't a Lotus Exige? Yes. The road was moderatly light by overhead lights. At first I only noticed the red color of the rear bodywork and the tail lights and I almost half believed my brother's friend when he thought it was an Enzo. But then I sped up, and got closer: I distincly saw the air intake. No other car I know of has an intake like this. As well, the mirrors were mounted high on the chassis like a few F1's i've seen.

I came directly home and showed my brother and friend 3/4 rear shots of F1s to make sure I wasn't dreaming. They both agreed that that what we saw was indeed an F1.

amanichen - Were you anywhere near this place at the time of the sighting?I wasn't any where near the city. This is out towards the suburbs -- around 30 miles west of the city. It was actually right at the junction of Route 175 and Route 29 in maryland (hence me already being in the exit lane before it passed me.) You should be able to find this on a roadmap.

If you wanted to take a joyride (in ANY car), you'd do it in western maryland at night. The traffic on the 3 lane roads tends to be light, and most of the cops are home by that time. Going for a spin in balitmore at night, esp. with the ridiculously high crime rate, is not a good idea.


EDIT: I don't know if this has anything to do with it or not, but I did see a black Viper and a Red Testarossa (one of the earlier ones) on the other side of route 100 heading east. Both sightings were within about ten minutes of each other. Maybe there was a car show in the area -- I wouldn't be one to keep up on knowing if there was.

Why would Dick Fritz need an ICI if he is a manufacturer? The EPA Certificates for Fritzees cars went to JK. In June of 2002 EPA raided JK Technologies seizing computers, records, everything related to McLarens, IMHO.

Lotus Extige on the road? That would be illegal. Unless you used dual citizenship on the DOT Box 5 HS-7. Or listed yourself (with your home address) as a manufacturer with the NHTSA WMI and CA DMV. (I'm sure this sounds familiar to someone here!)

Originally posted by gerd
Why would Dick Fritz need an ICI if he is a manufacturer? The EPA Certificates for Fritzees cars went to JK. In June of 2002 EPA raided JK Technologies seizing computers, records, everything related to McLarens, IMHO.

Lotus Extige on the road? That would be illegal. Unless you used dual citizenship on the DOT Box 5 HS-7. Or listed yourself (with your home address) as a manufacturer with the NHTSA WMI and CA DMV. (I'm sure this sounds familiar to someone here!)



what do you mean by it is your opinion that "In June of 2002 EPA raided JK Technologies seizing computers, records, everything related to McLarens". they either did or didn't.

About the exige (you spelt it wrong), so what if it was here illegally? There was one on ebay a while back and they guy said it wasn't road legal, but that doesn't mean that the new owner wouldn't drive it on the road. whats your obcession with illegality?

Pretty cool if it was indeed a McLaren. Did it have a fixed rear wing or not? The only other car that it could possibly have been, perhaps, is an Ultima. But if three people agree it was a McLaren, I am pretty sure it was. Wonder who?!

Oh no, gerd's medications are wearing off again...


Why would Dick Fritz need an ICI if he is a manufacturer?

Err, to import the cars until he could fulfil his legal requirements for modifying them enough to be able to say that he is the manufacturer or remanufacturer? No one besides you seems to care. McLarens have now been legalized through Show and Display.


The EPA Certificates for Fritzees cars went to JK. In June of 2002 EPA raided JK Technologies seizing computers, records, everything related to McLarens, IMHO.

Is this fact or opinion? You wrote IMHO as if you are not sure what the EPA was looking for, but you think it was information related to the McLarens. How do you know what they were after? And how does this link to Dick Fritz? It's not his company that was raided. No one besides you seems to care about this.


Lotus Extige on the road? That would be illegal. Unless you used dual citizenship on the DOT Box 5 HS-7.
That would be illegal...unless it was legal. That's what you are saying. So maybe it was here on a temporary visa. Maybe it wasn't. We were wondering what kind of car it was, not whether it was here legally or not. That's your area of expertise, or not. You are wrong about needing dual citizenship. Any single non-US citizenship is all that is required.


Or listed yourself (with your home address) as a manufacturer with the NHTSA WMI and CA DMV. (I'm sure this sounds familiar to someone here!)
I think you are referring to me and my company. I did not have facilities at the time I registered. I asked if I could use my home address as the official mailing address before I submitted it. It was okayed by all the authorities concerned, as long as I maintained a separate space in the house designated as the office, which I did.

Since then, I have secured the use of facilities in Southern California. I was just there yesterday, checking out a 240 hp engine conversion kit for the Elise S1, S2, S3, Exige, and Motorsport models. We are also putting in a Mustang Cobra engine in the TVR.

I don't want to change the address on record because I travel so much and I don't want to miss anything important. Is that ok with you?

Originally posted by tvrfreak
Pretty cool if it was indeed a McLaren. Did it have a fixed rear wing or not? The only other car that it could possibly have been, perhaps, is an Ultima. But if three people agree it was a McLaren, I am pretty sure it was. Wonder who?! No wing as far as I could tell. Only unusual thing was the afforementioned mounting of the mirrors. I've only seen one or two other cars with mirrors like that.

The mirrors are the one thing that leaves me guessing. Besides the Clinic Model (which never had an engine), I've never seen a photo of a red F1 with the high mirror position. Hard to say... I wish you had gotten some photos or been able to follow the car long enough to confirm it was an F1. (based on center driving position, badges, etc...)

Are you certain it was not a Saleen S7?? It also has an intake in the roof, but it doesn't have the cover that flows down the rear engine cover like the McLaren does. The rear of the S7 is quite similar to the McLaren as well IMO - actually, the whole design is quite similar - and the S7 has the same 4 round lights at the rear.

Here's a rear 3/4 shot of a Burgundy S7 for comparison...

>8^)
ER

Good point. I'd forgotten that the Saleen had 4 round lights as well. Anyone seen one on the road?

Originally posted by amanichen
No wing as far as I could tell. Only unusual thing was the afforementioned mounting of the mirrors. I've only seen one or two other cars with mirrors like that.

i only know of 2 cars with wings like that. one of them doesn't run (clinic car) and the other dissapeared (chris dawes' car), and neither were red

tvrfreak if right, gerd stop the flaming

I've been trying to reconstruct what I saw last night -- little details are coming back -- but i'm being cautious not to deceive myself into thinking that I saw something that wasn't there.

I do wear glasses while driving, so if anything is amiss from what I really saw it's my own mind making things up.

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The first view I got of the car was from the rear (as it passed me on the left.) The only thing I could notice was the top of the rear of the car...that is where the spoiler:

http://www.qv500.com/McLaren%20F1%20P1%203.jpg

(the built in one that comes up during braking) and tail lights were. I recognized the color as being red, and then my brother's friend shouted out that it was an enzo -- because he saw the red on the back of the passenger cabin.

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I remember my brother's friend asking: "Is the the back of the car supposed to be missing like that?" For what he was talking about....see this pic :

http://www.mclarenforsale.com/images/Dan's%20F1-5.jpg

The black grill work, and the cutout section at the bottom in the middle obviously do not show up too well at night.

I also showed my bother the pic of the S7 you posted here, vs this picture. He ID'd the car as a McLaren.

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I floored it to get a closer look and I noticed the rear of the passenger cabin was red as well. I Next I got to the car as to be about 10 degrees off from the center line of the car.

Examples:

http://www.plus4.freeserve.co.uk/macf1/mac019.jpg

http://www.plus4.freeserve.co.uk/macf1/mac043.jpg

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/bsoskey/mclaren7.jpgIt was way too curvy (as demonstrated by this pic) to be a saleen. This particular one is the best representation of what I saw. I distincly remember as I moved closer seeing the contour of the body as it goes over the wheel cover -- had never previously seen an F1 shot from this angle, but when I came home and found this picture I knew it had to be an F1. I remember thinking that it sort of looked like a Viper GTS from this angle:

http://www.geocities.com/bulani/gtspeel.jpg



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By this time I was on the curve for the exit lane and looked out my left window again -- seeing the mirrors up high.

As the exit ramp lane started to curve off from route 175 I got one last look at the car -- the right mirror looked high up on the body. Look at the following pic:

http://tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2002%2006%2007%20London/05%20McLaren/DSC02841.JPG

Notice where the mirrors are -- they look higher than on most F1s i've seen pictures of. From the angle I caught the mirrors from (the exit lane at this point was slightly lower in elevation than route 175) I thought that the the car had high-mounted mirrors like this one here: http://www.fast-autos.net/mclaren/f15.jpg

...but now that I think about it more, there is some doubt to what I thought I saw. The blue car up above shows how from the side, and from slightly below you could mistake the mirrors for being top mounted.

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Great post - you're even starting to convince me... :D

All I can say is keep your eyes peeled when driving in that area - maybe you'll see it again. Might even be worth it to buy a disposable camera to keep in your glovebox. You never know what you might see when you're just driving around... ;)

>8^)
ER

I should have taken the black viper and red late model testarossa sighting that afternoon as omens ...something much better was coming my way =)

I'll keep an eye out. I've traveled route 175 countless of times at various times during the day and never seen anything more than your standard lot of 'stangs and camaros.

I have a cheapo digicam I can keep in my car. The resolution isn't much to cheer about but it's better than nothing.

Here's a weirdo factoid:

I need my glasses to see while driving at night so I was 10 minutes late -- it made the timing for the sighting almost perfect. The ironic thing is I probably wouldn't have been able to ID the car had I not been wearing my specs, but if I had not bothered to search for them so I could put them on then I would not have met up with the car at all!

Down at the bottom is a red one with the high body mirrors. I'm thinking this may be an old pic of the clinic F1..???

http://membres.lycos.fr/tnyssen/allcolor.jpg

Originally posted by amanichen
Down at the bottom is a red one with the high body mirrors. I'm thinking this may be an old pic of the clinic F1..???

You'd be right.

Interestingly enough, that yellow car in the center of the photo is also the Clinic Model, as well as the top and bottom photos in your other post with all the pics.

I have heard that the Clinic Model may also have been painted a light blue color for some time as well, but have never seen a real photo to prove that.

>8^)
ER

Originally posted by amanichen
I have a sighting to report:

I saw a red McLaren F1 on 6/28/2003 @ 10pm on route 175 in Maryland.


sweet, i live in PA (no giggling, i'm not a hick). maryland is near me, if anyone finds out any info, please share. the only red f1 i know of in the us by the way is Meltzer's, chassis #028, if anyone knows more about this guy please share as it could well be his car

Wow amanichen, that XP4 picture on that allcolors picture is looking good. Have you highres version of that picture and also some other pictures of it?

And I also want to have all pictures of F1 XP4 parked in front of house. I know that there are at least 6 pictures of this car.

Let's not forget the silver F1 in Fort Lauderdale at Shelton Ferrari Sitting next to the Enzo in the showroom. Also, my brother told me a few weeks back that he saw an F1 in Sarasota Florida at Coastal Motorsports, sitting in the parking lot. Right on I-75 on Floridas Gulf Coast.

Anyone know the chassis number of the silver F1 in SoCal - see http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t117264.html

The answer is posted in that thread - check page #2.

>8^)
ER

this post sort of side tracked the subject, but so far i know there is at least two mclarens in Australia.

Silver Colour one owned by Linsy Fox, local trunking tycoon, number plate MCLF1, never seen on the road, only on car show.

Gun metal colour one own by i don't know who, Number plate B.KSR (funny i've never seen these type of number plates in Australia before), was sited out side of Crown Casino Melbourne several weeks ago. if any melbournian here know who this car belong to, please tell me, i don't mind pay him or HER a visit :grinyes:

there is also a white on there. I think its the one that was for sale @ T&C and also may be the car that had a big pic in the top gear mag a few months ago and the pic is entitled "2 new pics : one WHITE" or something like that

jst to help u start the list of them all round the world, i heard on tv sometime, that the sultan of brunai (big oil man) has 5 Mclaren f1's. dont no if its true, but makes u wana get gud mates wit him jst in case dnt it?!



by the way this is my 1st eva post!!!!

Carl Beals McLaren F1 plate reads "MCLAR N" and he owns an oil company.

William

I thought Beal's F1 plates were "M LAREN", but you live in Midland so you would probably know more about it than me

i have about 1/2 of all mclarens "accounted" for

Not sure if i'd know more, havn't seen the latest plate on it. It broke a while back and to the best of my knowledge it still had the MCLAR N plate on it. I'll ask to be sure.

William

I have some pics of one in the Chicago area in its garage on a lift. They're in a box somewhere. It is black/charcoal...so nice!

if it has a hd kit then its chassis #69. Please post pix!

I will post pics when I get a chance. Maybe a dumb question but what is an "hd kit?" don't know a ton about these.

Is #69 in the Chicago area? I'm going there soon, wonder if I can see any F1s

no, it was exported i belive

It may have been exported by now. I went to his house a few years back and took the pics.

Does anybody know if Larry Blair is the owner of Laguna Seca racetrack? It would be nice if he posted on this board as well as other owners have.

justingodfrey-
Was that Paul Cherry's house that you went to? If so, then it is indeed #069.

The HD Kit is the "High Downforce Kit" - it includes the flared wheel arches, different front end with splitter, and rear wing as well as a few other changes. It ends up making the car look like an LM or GTR.

Here's a thread which outlines someone else's experience with that particular car:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=153665

We would be VERY interested in seeing your photos. :cool:\

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dgp - I've never heard Blair's name associated with ownership of any race track. I do believe he is or was the co-owner of one IRL team. If you find out anything else, please let us know.

Laguna Seca Raceway appears to be owned and operated by a non-profit agency known as SCRAMP (Sports Car Racing Association of the Monterey Peninsula) and I do not see Blair's name mentioned on the Board of Directors (http://www.laguna-seca.com/directs.htm). That doesn't mean he isn't involved somehow though.

>8^)
ER

Does anybody know if Larry Blair is the owner of Laguna Seca racetrack? It would be nice if he posted on this board as well as other owners have.

I am not 100% on this (call it 95%), but I think Laguna Seca is a public park. Meaning the state of California owns it.

EDIT (from kfoote, doubtless through one of his zillion resources for racing): "Originally part of the former Fort Ord military base, Laguna Seca was turned over to the County of Monterey in 1974. The County in turn handed its responsibilities to the parks department. SCRAMP operates and maintains the race track, and handles the racing events and track rentals that generate funds of over $1 million for the county parks department."

Drew's correct on that - I shouldn't have said it was owned by SCRAMP as that entire area is owned by the State of California Parks Department. The track itself is managed by SCRAMP though.

Read more here (http://www.laguna-seca.com/00scramp.htm).

>8^)
ER

Thanks for the information guys. I guess the person who informed me was..well.. (not correct). Does anybody know Larry Blair and what is the likelihood that he would post here? Assuming he lives in the Bay Area (California), that is the closest to where i live. I've never seen a McLaren F1 live and getting a ride in one would be an extremely huge thing for me ( a dream come true).
I' ve also learned from this board that Jim Clark (ex Netscape CEO) owns an F1 and he lives in CA too. Does anybody know him?

I do believe Blair makes his home in the Bay Area - maybe someone else here can tell you more about him or possibly intorduce him to our forum if he hasn't seen it already.

I know someone who knows Jim Clark, but I don't know that person well enough even to get myself in contact with him. The person I know was just someone who noted my interest in the McLaren F1 on another forum and decided to share some information about Clark's F1 with me directly. It was a very nice gesture, and it solved the "Shelton F1 mystery" for me. :cool:

There are quite a few others in your area - it's certainly the largest concentration of F1s anywhere in the US so maybe one will come your way someday.

BTW: When I happened to see Musk's F1 here in SoCal one night, he was about 40 miles from his home in Bel Air. You just have to keep your eyes open and hope to get lucky some day.

>8^)
ER

You just have to keep your eyes open and hope to get lucky some day.

didn't someone tell you he saw his car? :lol2: :cwm27:

Huh?? :confused:

Unless you are asking if someone else saw the car first and told me - then yes, that is correct. Musk was lost, trying to find a political fundraising party at the home of David Murdoch, and my friends happened to drive past him as he was looking for that location. They called me, but failed to stall him long enough, and led him back to Murdoch's estate where he drove in the gate. I arrived about two minutes too late, and was unable to see the car from the street and of course was not allowed in to the party. I was going to wait there for him to leave, but I had other plans. I did come back later that night to see if he would still be there, and halfway back to Murdock's Musk's F1 passed me going the opposite direction.

I definitely consider my encounter luck even though I had some knowledge that was able to help me. Had my friends not decided to head that way that day, or ignored the fact that I am the biggest McLaren F1 fan they know, I would have missed the opportunity to see an F1 that was hanging out less than 5 minutes from my house. How sad do you think I would have been to hear about that later.

>8^)
ER

it was a joke :P . You said it like you were driving around and saw it. sorry, i'm english, you americans don't get my jokes ;)

i only know of 2 cars with wings like that. one of them doesn't run (clinic car) and the other dissapeared (chris dawes' car), and neither were red

Sorry to dig up an old thread (maybe considered to be breathing life into it?!) but I know of a plain blue (non-metallic) car with standard wheels painted black with the high mirrors. Dunno the chassis no. but its not in amazing condition cause it is driven into London everyday and parked in the city. I believe it has a mileage to rival XP5's.

rival XP5s? I doubt that..

-Mike :aus:

No shit. It's serviced every couple of months. XP5 ain't quite doing the miles now either...

Mr.Bernoulli, any more information on that car would definitely help. Right now we're guessing it's #36, but already having it's appearance altered drastically with the mirrors and rims, I wouldn't be surprised if it has been repainted.

Sorry to dig up an old thread (maybe considered to be breathing life into it?!) but I know of a plain blue (non-metallic) car with standard wheels painted black with the high mirrors. Dunno the chassis no. but its not in amazing condition cause it is driven into London everyday and parked in the city. I believe it has a mileage to rival XP5's.

Feel free to breathe new life into any thread where you feel you might have a contribution, no matter how old. :thumbsup:

We are familiar with that car now - photos of it surfaced within the past few months. I found the first one. :iceslolan Here are some others:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=131713

It could to hear more about F1s that are daily driven. You can't really get away with that with many other Supercars.

As McLaren F1 Guy mentioned, if you can find out exactly which F1 that is, we'd really appreciate it.

As for other F1s with high mirrors, I have seen video of one silver F1 road car fitted with them. We've also seen just a few photos presumed to be of one of Ralph Lauren's F1s in silver wearing the high mirrors as well. Those two cars could be one in the same, but that makes a total of three at least, assuming that the blue F1 isn't a refit. Its tough when you have to speculate on things...

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ER

Peloton25,

Pages 188-189 of the Good Book chronicle the build of chassis 071 (according to the first caption--more on that later) This is a historic orange car and has high mirrors. I have not noticed this car mentioned before, maybe I just glossed over the post or something.

In any case, there are two pics at the bottom of pg 188 that show a placard sitting on top of the roof air intake. This placard says, "099 LHD". It is car #61 in the cumulative build # and no matter how I add up all cars produced, my sum for this car's position is never 99. What do you make of this?

Greg A

#071 is supposedly Chris Dawes F1. That's the one mini magic mentioned earlier. Apparently the F1 he crashed, killing himself and his two passengers, was not his own, so that car apparently this F1 still exists. It was reported that the F1 he wrecked belonged to a relative - maybe his father?

I see the photo you are referring to with the "099 LHD" sign. I have no idea what that would mean. It certainly doesn't correlate with build order for that car. Also, since there were no LHD (left-hand drive) McLaren F1's - they were all center drive as I'm sure most are aware - I have no clue what that would stand for either. :confused:

This car reappeared earlier this year in some photographs in some British magazine if I recall correctly. Maybe mini magic remembers since he's the one who originally found them. There's a website for the photographer that has the photos up, but I don't recall his name at the moment. I'm sure Chris will.

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ER

isn't the chris dawes car #071? i recall #061 as being the Bean car.

probs a typo maarten, chassis list says 61 turned burgundy!

-Hey peloton, I saw this show on TV called einstein, may not hav it in US, but it is about knowing alot about one topic, more than anyone else, you would win on McLaren hands down, u probs know more than DC and mabey GM lol. :icon16:

And I might be seeing an F1 in Australia soon!, but no confirmation as yet:(

-Mike :aus:

Yeah - most definitely a typo - I fixed it now.

Thanks McLaren Mike - the difference between me an Einstein is that he came up with his own theories about stuff whereas I just catalog the ones I get from other sources to use later. ;) -hehe

As I always say - make certain you get the chassis number of any McLaren F1 you see. :iceslolan

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and the owners name and everything else:)

#071 is supposedly Chris Dawes F1...

I see the photo you are referring to with the "099 LHD" sign. I have no idea what that would mean. It certainly doesn't correlate with build order for that car. Also, since there were no LHD (left-hand drive) McLaren F1's - they were all center drive as I'm sure most are aware - I have no clue what that would stand for either. :confused: ...


The last photo on pg. 189 shows the car w/it's owner at the time of delivery. I know it's a small pic and difficult to see in great detail, but is that person Chris Dawes?

Perhaps the "LHD" signifies the driving law requirement of the country where the car was to be registered. Are there any differences in McLarens made for RHD countries? I would have thought the car would be identical regardless of driving laws since it is center drive, but I don't recall reading any details regarding that before.

Greg A

I believe that is Mr Dawes, but I've never been able to find another photo of him to confirm it with.

You make a good point about the possibility of 'LHD' referring to the laws in that car's country. The only thing I can think of which we've noticed that is different on some F1s is the reverse light isn't always on the same side. I can't think of anything else though.

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It might be a good idea to set up the light cassette too, so that it tends to illuminate the pavement side of the road, rather than blinding oncoming vehicles...

Very true - I hadn't thought about that.

I know that some cars here have suspension settings calibrated to account for the crown in the center of the road. I'm not sure if McLaren bothered to account for such a thing on the F1 (seriously doubt it in fact) but I'm sure there are things like that which aren't immediately obvious when viewed in a photograph.

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the 3 pix of 71: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=119564&highlight=chris

hey i am new to this, but last weekend... June 19, 2005 I went to Boston and saw the cars from the ralph lauren collection... I have some information about his silver car with high mirrors... however it is at my house right now. I will post everything i can find out about it later.

Well I wouldn't be suprised if the Sultan of brunei brings his F1's to Beverly hills every now and then. Last time I saw there was a good sized garage.

Well I wouldn't be suprised if the Sultan of brunei brings his F1's to Beverly hills every now and then. Last time I saw there was a good sized garage.

I don't quite see the connection of your post with the thread. But anyway, you'r saying the Sultan of Brunei has a garage in Beverly H. with some of his exotics? Does he spend time in Beverly Hills?

And what exactly did you see in the good-sized garage?

Thanks!

The Brunei Royal Family does have a very impressive home in Beverly Hills, and probably homes like it all over the world. As for them flying McLarens around the world with them, that just seems highly unlikely.

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...As for them flying McLarens around the world with them, that just seems highly unlikely.

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Why? I've been told Mansour Ojjeh does exactly that.

Greg A

I've been told the McLarens in Brunei have fallen into a very sad state over the past few years. It's unlikely that any of them run, or that they look presentable and could be driven.

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The McLarens are maintained and kept in decent condition, according to my info. They just aren't pampered. Also, so far as I know, Mansour Ojjeh does not fly his McLarens around the world. None of the owners do.

Hello,

Why? I've been told Mansour Ojjeh does exactly that.

Hmm, who says you this info ? I am not sure, how many times #073 was seen on roads ? 2 and #011 ? 1 (at factory) and brother's #075 ? 0
I am told he came at start of Supercar Rally 2003 to "show" his car before the auction, what do you think about that ?

Which is sure, the F1 would be parked in Geneva but where ? Maybe at Tag Heuer ?

Ciao
Phil

This blue with white interior car was EPA'd at G & K in Santa Ana,CA. http://www.gnkauto.com/

http://rbmotoring.com/albums/959/aaq.jpg

They also had a few more F1's - notablely the orange one go though there.

http://rbmotoring.com/gallery/959?page=1

Wow I never knew that all that tied in.

Btw - link dont work - www.gnkauto.com/index.html

How do these links tie into our thread. They are old. The black car (actually blue) is Wyclef Jeans. Now in Florida.

I think they were tested/converted to us spec's through G&K. Other wise I have no clue :screwy:

We knew that. I'm failing to see the connection

We knew that. I'm failing to see the connection


Skimming the thread - I see references to JK Technologies in Baltimore, Maryland. I didn't see anything on G and K from Santa Ana ,CA.

G and K did at least 3 F1's. One of which was Wyclefs.

Sorry, we knew that.

are you sur that all of your information is correct?

are you sur that all of your information is correct?

Are you sure that bumping a thread that was started in 2003 and last posted to in 2005 is really a good decision? I think it is not, as many of the details contained within have likely changed during that period of time.

I have responded to your PM, but will be closing this thread as there can be little benefit in discussion on what in many cases is outdated or possibly inaccurate information.

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