A while ago I posted a poll (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86839) on what people think of weathering model cars. The overall vote indicated that slightly more people preferred to leave things nice and shiny rather than down and dirty. However, I am not one to go with the majority so decided to go ahead and dirty up my Rally New Zealand Peugeot 206 anyway!

I was especially inspired by a photograph I saw of a 206 with mud oozing out of the gap between the rear bumper and body. Figured it would be an extremely cool look to try and replicate on a model.

Firstly, for anybody who hasn't seen the model clean before, here is a photo of what it used to look like.

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/416889Dcp_1015a.jpg

And now it looks like this :toothless
I tried to keep things subtle but the mud in New Zealand does not do things by halves. I also made a nice splatter pattern on the tyres by painting a wash on then spinning the wheel in a dremel type rotary tool. Can't see it in these pictures though.

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/484651Dcp_1020a.jpg

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/105245Dcp_1023a.jpg

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/763812Dcp_1027a.jpg

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/312600Dcp_1033a.jpg

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/622120Dcp_1034a.jpg

I'm going to enter this kit in a competition at the Model Expo in Melbourne this weekend. I don't know what category it will fit into, probably end up against the superdetailed machines in the 'modified' category unfortunately. Combine that with photos I just saw of last years winning entries, all clean and shiny paintwork the lot of them, and I don't expect to take away any prizes. Doesn't matter to me though, I build my cars the way I like them not to try and collect trophies! Main reason I'm entering is because competitors get free admission to the show and swap meet :D

OMG! That mud effect on the rear bumper is simply AMAZING. :eek:

Thats cool...did you just throw dirt on there or paint or what...??

btw: it looks kinda outa porportions, put some dirt on the top or something...

COOL
now quickly make a dilorama for that car........ and what like daggerlee said... the rear bumper is .... [speechless]

I am a fan of weathering when its done right. I really believe its an artform and there's alot more to it than drybrushing on a little bit of brown paint. It actually takes a lot of research and a good eye for colour as well as detail.

You have done an excellent job here and i'm sure you will turn a few heads at the comp. Furthermore i really enjoy seeing your work and can't wait til the next one - what is it BTW?

:eek: That is absolutely perfect. Make the diorama and it will be even better.

Wow. Very impressive. Extremely accurate and realistic. I love the "drips" on the front and rear valances. Awesome job.

Phil,
I think you have done a brilliant job with the weathering, but respectfully, if I may add a little constructive criticism, I would like to add a few ideas.
From personal experience in driving on forestry roads in rain, as well as looking at hundreds of rally photos, I think the mud along the side of the car needs to angle upwards and across the rear windows some.
If you look at this photo from NZ 2000 you can see what I mean:
http://a324.g.akamai.net/f/324/3595/1d/www.rally-live.com/photos/2000/newzealand/diapo_39.jpg
And this one from Acropolis 2000 shows it well too:
http://www.rallycars.com/ftp/Images/Cars/Acropolis2000/GRONHOLM_MENDENITSA_2.jpg

Sorry for being the one to criticise, I really do think you have done a wonderful job in weathering the Pug though.

Ray

Great peugeot 206

Originally posted by freakray
Phil,
I think you have done a brilliant job with the weathering, but respectfully, if I may add a little constructive criticism, I would like to add a few ideas.
From personal experience in driving on forestry roads in rain, as well as looking at hundreds of rally photos, I think the mud along the side of the car needs to angle upwards and across the rear windows some.
If you look at this photo from NZ 2000 you can see what I mean:
http://a324.g.akamai.net/f/324/3595/1d/www.rally-live.com/photos/2000/newzealand/diapo_39.jpg
And this one from Acropolis 2000 shows it well too:
http://www.rallycars.com/ftp/Images/Cars/Acropolis2000/GRONHOLM_MENDENITSA_2.jpg

Sorry for being the one to criticise, I really do think you have done a wonderful job in weathering the Pug though.

Ray

thats all i would add. great model. i think wethered rally cars look mutch cooler than plain and shiny. very neat to see it in its true form

-GTi-VR6_A3

It looks great, good job! I think the mud on the side should have loked more "wet", but it's up to you:)

Originally posted by freakray
Phil,
Sorry for being the one to criticise, I really do think you have done a wonderful job in weathering the Pug though.

Ray

Thanks for the comments everybody!

I have no problem with constructive criticism, as long as it is well informed. I understand where all of you are coming from but as I said in the original post I wanted to keep things subtle i.e. no windscreen wiper shadows or mud up on the roof and rear wing like in Ray's Acropolis picture.

Guess I still am not prepared to go all the way and obliterate every bit of the shiny paintwork I spent so much time polishing! My story is this is a shakedown car (hence the roof camera and large light covers on the front bumper) so it has only had a few quick runs over the shakedown stage then left to dry in the sun :)

Having said that I have taken everybody's comments onboard and will make some alterations. I myself can see a few things that could be improved now I sit back and take a long hard look at the pictures. Needs a bit more work around the wheel arches, front and rear. Might put just the tiniest bit of haze on the windows, rear wing and mirrors as suggested too.

Thanks again guys :sun:

Originally posted by flyonthewall
Furthermore i really enjoy seeing your work and can't wait til the next one - what is it BTW?
I wish I could settle on just one! Got a few underway including an opened up Lancer Evo VI. Also having a go at an engine transplant on a Hasegawa Stratos. Then there is the SEAT Cordoba, a swag of Peugeots and soon Marlboro liveried 206, Arctic Rally Lancer WRC2....

Seems I am cursed with a short attention span :rolleyes:

Originally posted by tc3
did you just throw dirt on there or paint or what...??

Used artist acrylic paints in varying consistencies mixed with talcum powder to give texture and flatten the finish. Applied with and moved around by a variety of brushes, tissues, toothpicks, and whatever else I could reach in a hurry.

Originally posted by RallyRaider

Used artist acrylic paints in varying consistencies mixed with talcum powder to give texture and flatten the finish. Applied with and moved around by a variety of brushes, tissues, toothpicks, and whatever else I could reach in a hurry.

now thats some damn good technique hahaha just grab what is around...

-GTi-VR6_A3

nice work man :sun: i too like rally cars to look the way they really look...DIRTY!
i made the peogeot 206 too but did the monaco rally! keep it up mate :)

my dirty 206 ;)

Originally posted by daggerlee
OMG! That mud effect on the rear bumper is simply AMAZING. :eek:

Same hear, it looks so real!!! :eek:

Very well done Phil!
I wish you luck on that contest. :)

glad you decided to weather it. good job and best of luck in the contest. :D

nice work on the weathering Phil. However New Zealand dirt is normally a darker shade of brown:D .



Nah just kidding:frog:

the work on the rear end looks awesome

I thought it looked good when it was clean and shiny, but now.....it looks fantastic, even more realistic :cool:

Okay, just so all this constructive criticism remains informed here are a few shots of Peugeots on the 2000 New Zealand Rally shakedown. My model does not try to exactly mirror every splash and dribble of mud from any particular picture, just a humble attempt to capture the look and feel. Perhaps it isn't wet enough, but in some of these photos the mud is completely dried and caked on. Perhaps mud should be on the windows but in some of these shots all the windows remain clean. Perhaps the mud isn't dark enough, but in some of these photos it is almost white.

I don't for a moment think I've captured the below look perfectly in my model, in fact I still have some work to do. But hopefully you'll all see what I'm trying to achieve. Phew!

Last is the photo that was the inspiration for the rear bumper, again my model is not a 100% replication, in fact it is very simplified. This picture isn't even from New Zealand, rather Cyprus 2002.

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/217654nz-delecour-01.jpg

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/567249nz-gronholm-01.jpg

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/800419nz-gronholm-02.JPG

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/915778nz-gronholm-03.JPG

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/706102cyprus-gronholm-01.JPG

Crismag,
can you share with us your tips on making snow and road on your diorama?

G'day crismag, I have seen and appreciated your dioramas before on the Automover site. They are awesome! You really know your stuff. Although in the spirit of constructive criticism the rear tail light on the 206 could do with a bit of paint ;)

Originally posted by Focus2000
I thought it looked good when it was clean and shiny, but now.....it looks fantastic, even more realistic :cool:

Thanks Chris, it's a shame have to give up the clean look to get the weathered one but that's life.

Nice and subtle, very well done since it's very easy to overdo weathering.

I think you did a great job, and nobody can tell you whether you have too much or to few mud, or that the color is good or bad, or whatever, because you are the only one who knows what "story" you are telling.

There is to few mud? But your car is an image of how the Peugeot looked like after the first 10 yards of the first special stage...

The color isn't right? But it matches exactly with the color of mud on that particularly piece of special stage where your car is an image of...

And so on...

What I am trying to say is that there is no such thing as a "perfect weathered" model as long as the technique is flawless and the model looks like it could have looked like at a certain point of a rally. And I think you have just done that 100 % right.

Keep up the good work!

Fancy thinking it rains here in NZ all the time and we have mud roads :finger: :finger:

:D

Great looking job on it....wish you well at the show. I'm sure you will do well

i have absolutely no complaints on your weathering job. after looking at your reference pics, id say its pretty darn close. the rear bumper detail defies its scale. You've really mastered the art of modeling. Best of luck to you but i dont think you need it.

I like it! :D
Good Luck for the contest :)

I totaly agree with Sennake!:)

Phil,
I wasn't trying to be overly critical, I even felt bad to criticise.
I agree the photos you have show totally different mud and dust patterns to any of the photos I have, so it is all a case of what reference material you have and interpretation.

I still think you have done a brilliant job on the Peugeot.

Ray

All is cool Ray, I value the opinions of the members of this forum, especially those as knowledgeable as your good self. Your suggestions and constructive criticism are always welcome, no need to feel bad. Just make sure you listen to my ramblings when the shoe is on the other foot :toothless

Thanks for your comments Sennake, and all who said nice things!

PMan, rain is good! We could do with a lot of it here to break the drought.

See you all in a week or so, I'm off to Melbourne in the morning :wave: