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1/20 Tamiya F2001


ejsmith
04-09-2008, 01:48 PM
I've been reading and watching this forum for a while now and it's helped enormously with my builds. I'm still below par compared to most on here but hopefully some constructive critisism will help me along :) Apologies to the guy who's just done an F2001 by the way but I happened to have already started it when your thread came up. You did the 2002 livery anyway so mine will at least be different. I'm actually half way through when you join me. It's gone alright so far. The major problem was the nose cone. Tamiya moulded it in two halves so I spent a long time with the milliput smoothing it out, came out well though :) Decided this would be Schumacher's car from the Japanese GP so the raised part halfway up the nose had to be sanded off (unfortunately I only realised this wasn't present at the Japanese GP after I'd painted it...at least it was before I put the Marlboro on though!). The other problem was the silver block behind the air intake. In the kit it's far too far back from the air intake, it should be right up against it. So I've taken it off and have made a new one from styrene. It's not finished yet though. I plan on doing the pipes around the silver block so it had to be moved. Other than the standard kit I've used some insulation tape to recreate the heat sheild ont he floor of the engine bay and the inside of the engine cover. Also got myself a brake set from hiroboy but haven't got around to doing those yet. Also I haven't used any CF decals on here as I'm not confident enough with the microsol yet. Perhaps on my next build I will :)
So here are the pictures so far. Apologies for the long intro but I had to explain what I've done. Cheers!

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4312.jpg

This was actually the first time I used microsol!
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4321.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4310.jpg

Here is the real picture from a similar angle. Apologies if I'm not meant to be posting this, it's from gurneyflap
http://www.gurneyflap.com/Resources/PICT0525.jpg

Notice where I've sanded down the raised part
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4301.jpg

Insulation tape
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4342.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4254.jpg

Steering wheel took me a while
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4181.jpg

A picture of the instructions showing the construction of the nose. The small piece in between the wing supports actually sat too low so a lot of milliput and sanding was needed to make the gap smooth
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4292.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4296.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4288.jpg

jezz
04-09-2008, 02:28 PM
look great so far if you are not that confident doing the c/f decals why dont you try the way i did mine on my f1 by using ladies tights and spray gun metal lightly over the parts but it a nice build so far top marks
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5627/dscf1733ja2.jpg

ejsmith
04-09-2008, 02:32 PM
Yeah I thought that was a great idea! I saw someone try the same sort of thing with some wire mesh and I managed to get hold of some but it didn't really work. Perhaps I was using too similar a shade (gloss black over satin) whereas you used gun metal over the black and it stands out more so I might try that. Thanks :)

Raikkobin
04-18-2008, 11:22 AM
No shame in your game! Well built and your experimentation is very succesful..nice job!

billypee
04-19-2008, 02:55 PM
Nice start

Bill

klutz_100
04-19-2008, 11:36 PM
No shame in your game!
Nicely put! :iagree:

I have yet to try my first F1 beastie but I am looking forward to it (even though I am rather intimidated by the skill level of some of our colleagues here on AF)

Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

ejsmith
04-20-2008, 09:20 AM
I've been really busy recently so I haven't had much time on this. Plus a lot of the parts are still being painted so I don't have photos of them...
Anyway I started working on the brakes last night. The Tamiya kit brakes are very basic and don't really look the job so I bought a brake set from hiroboy instead :) It turned out to be hours of fiddly work though...
First off the discs were painted silver. The silver I've used isn't quite the right match but I might try and weather the disc a bit to make it look worn. Then there are 10 0.3mm dia holes around the centre and the vague instructions tell you to cut a length of solder and put it in the hole. It doesn't say what length though! I guessed 10mm as they gave me 60cm for 4 brakes. 10mm was a little big but not too bad. Anyway then tiny tiny gold rings were threaded onto each piece of wire and then a larger ring threaded over the top of all of this. 10 more tiny gold rings were then threaded over each wire. While I'm here I'll just point out that the rings were actually more like semi-circles because they were flat on one side and the flat side had to face outwards. So not only did I have to thread the rings on, I had to get them to face the right way as well. Now at this point the instructions say to put a sort of washer over the top as a guage to cut the wire at the same height for all 10 but I decided this would be far too fiddly and just guessed them. Anyway all that needs doing to finish the brakes now are the callipers which need to be sprayed gold and some more wire used
Anyway, pictures...

So this is halfway throught he first stage, the wires are in place and the first few gold rings have been slipped on. You probably know how big a 1/20 brake is but the 10p just shows how small those gold rings were!
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4353.jpg

The finished brake. Notice the ring next to it. That's the washer that was supposed to be slipped over so the wires could be cut
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4357.jpg


Here's the kit piece which is unpainted
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4358.jpg

And a better picture of the brake
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4365.jpg

That's all for now, hopefully more to come soon though! :)

billypee
04-20-2008, 09:35 AM
It is worth all the effort though.

vrossi85
04-20-2008, 09:57 AM
Nice brakes! I just got one but havent got a try on it yet.

Ro

ejsmith
04-29-2008, 03:45 PM
Sorry it's been so slow guys. After doing that one brake I just lost all enthusiasm for this model, it's meant to be fun not a painstaking task. Anyway I brought back a magnifying glass, masking tape and some very fine tweesers from work so I'll be having a go at number two soon enough. Anyway I just bought another kit to join the growing pile yet to be done so I've got some new motivation to get this model finished. Also I've been preoccupied with a diecast conversion this week so it's been rather slow going. anyway I finally finished painting the rear cowling and glued it all together. I've also put the decals on. I decided I would paint the matt black exhaust outlet after the red but I wanted to brush paint it for a better effect so I masked around the edge so that I could get it straight. I ran out of masking tape recently so I bought more at the weekend but this roll seems to be stickier because it left a horrible mark after I peeled it off :( I'm just hoping that I can hide it when I spray the model with a coat of clear because it would be a shame to have come so far. Also I'd already put the decals on by this point and no way was I going to lift them all and place them back again. Decals are from Tabu as I think I've said before, went on very nicely, no problems at all, just a bit of micro set/sol did the trick nicely :)
Been busy painting other parts too and I think all I have left to do is paint the barge boards and the white element of the rear wing and the painting will be finished, only construction left. The front suspension is waiting to be assembled as I want to clear the whole body but not the suspension so now I've done the rear cowling I'll start clear coating once the final painting has been finished (don't want paint particles in the air when I'm spraying clear...though my main worry is the dust! - on that note actually; I've come up with a new solution, get an old dettox bottle, fill it with water, and give the room a good spray before you start spraying, it really helps keep the dust down!)
Oh and on the engine front, the silver block has been carved and is currently receiving a good dose of primer. I also noticed that Tamiya have got the radiator pipes seriously wrong, they're completely the wrong shape. I'll get a photo in the next post to show what I meant. Anyway here's the cowling :)

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4405.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4407.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4409.jpg

billypee
04-30-2008, 03:00 AM
Looking good. I sympathise with your view that model making should be enjoyable... I get that painstaking feeling when applying CF :)

Bill

ejsmith
04-30-2008, 05:20 PM
Right, more progress today. Finished painting everything red that needs to be other than the main element of the rear wing (both front and rear wing end fences have now been painted). The only painting left for me to do is spraying the rear wing white and finishing the silver block. Other than that I only have detailing left (for example I'm planning on putting some heat stains on the exhaust and the exhaust outlet. Oh and there are two fins that go under the front wing which need a coat of paint. Otherwise nothing. so it looks like I'm finally on the home stretch
So I did the front wing today. The fit could have been better but it could have been far worse. It was pretty easy to get the end plates square and most of the decals are going onto a flat surface. The only trouble I had was the 'TIM' decals on the end plates...There's quite a complex surface they have to go over and I'm sure a more skilled modeller would have been able to do it no trouble but I've only ever used micro sol/set on this model, never used it previously. Anyway I gave it a go and it wasn't bad for a first attempt but I did get a couple of small splits on the decals in a couple of places but managed to salvage it so it's not so noticeable. So now I'll do the rear wing tomorrow hopefully and then I'll have to wait a week for the decals to cure before clear coating the model. In the mean time I can finish this silver block and perhaps try and sort out the weathering on the exhausts. So here are the pictures...

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4418.jpg

This doesn't really show the contours very well but in addition the decal is too large so it has to fold back onto the underside of the top flap

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4420.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4426.jpg


Oh I almost forgot about the radiators. Basically Tamiya have got this part completely wrong. Here's the kit part

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4424.jpg

And this is the real thing...(image from gurneyflap.com)

http://www.gurneyflap.com/Resources/PICT0491.jpg

Not sure if there's much I can do to fix this, I don't have any suitable pieces of styrene...perhaps if I filled in where the pipe should be with some milliput...Anyway, hopefully another update tomorrow so stay tuned!

ejsmith
05-06-2008, 04:50 PM
Definitely on the home stretch now. I've not glued the barge boards on, fixed the front suspension in place and glued the nose cone on. I've also tackled two more of those photoetched brakes and they're much easier to do with a different approach. Basically I've started with much shorter pieces of wire and instead of using tweesers to pick the gold rings up i've used my fingers. Why? Well they kept flicking out of the tweesers as the grip was too strong and if you give them a good prod they'll stick to the bottom of your finger and it actually makes them easier to place over the wires. So I have 1 rear brake left and that's it. I've also painted the callipers now though I haven't got a picture. Apart from a little touching up in the engine bay all I'm waiting for now is the rear wing to be painted. It's halfway there all I need to do is spray one gurney flap white :) Oh and I've also glued the tub to the floor and clear coated the front nose and engine cover. I must say the fit on my model is terrible. I don't know whether this is a problem with the batch this came from or all the F2001s but the fit on Tamiya models is usually very good but the tub just did not want to sit flush with the floor. I even tried superglue but in the end I left it with about a 1mm gap. Also the engine cover doesn't sit flush with the rest of the body. I'll try and get some pictures to illustrate later. I'm waiting to see how far I get with this painting though because I may have the wing done by tonight so we'll see then...Ah well pictures of what I have so far...

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4453.jpg

(and yes, that's an F310b with no rear suspension under my desk. was damaged a long time ago and just serves as spares now)
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4451.jpg


I also bought an airbrush from work the other day. Worked out at £16 with staff discount (I work in my local model shop) and I was pretty chuffed with that. It's very basic and I haven't got a compressor sorted out yet but it should be a lot better than spray cans!! I haven't usde it yet as there's virtually no painting left on the F2001 and I don't want to be mixing shades halfway through

EDIT:
Just finished the rear wing and as promised here's the picture. Well chuffed with it, especially the split marlboro on the upper element as it curves round onto the underside and it's my first proper use of microsol and I must say i'm converted! the stuff is brilliant!! ;D Anyway here's a little teaser picture, I'll have some more up tomorrow!

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4457.jpg

billypee
05-07-2008, 02:07 AM
It makes me nervous just seeing your model hanging off the edge of your work-bench. :eek7:

KevHw
05-07-2008, 06:29 AM
It makes me nervous just seeing your model hanging off the edge of your work-bench. :eek7:

Lol :tongue: . Looks brilliant so far. Brakes look the business! Did you use PE seatbelts or are those molded? I can't tell. And £16 for an airbrush!? I want one :eek:

ejsmith
05-07-2008, 12:42 PM
Well it's not quite finished but it's now display ready!! The wheels have gone on and all that's left is to clear coat the rear wing, add a couple more decals (some white sponsor logos below the Bridgestone sign) and the yellow strip on the camera as per the Japanese GP. Also I have to put the windscreen in place. Otherwise the only job left is a bit more tinkering with the engine but I'm going to leave that for a rainy day I think. I really should just finish it now while I'm still doing the Ferrari but I'm very tired of this model and my patience has run out :-/

When I came to do the wheels I had a dilemma. In the kit you're given a poly cap which goes inside the brake disc which allows the wheels to rotate. But the photoetched brake set meant I had to shorten this cap which presented all sorts of problems. Where the knife had cut the cap it wasn't quite short enough and also deformed the cap slightly which meant it wasn't rotating and was difficult to get into the brake disc. This meant I wasn't going to be able to have the wheels rotate. Only a minor issue though, if not a positive one, as it's going to be on display and I don't want it rolling about.
But then I had another issue. In the photoetched kit they gave me nice new wheel nuts which were on a shaft which goes through the brake disc into the hub. The tamiya kit has shafts and wheel nuts moulded onto the wheel rim already. So I tried modifying this but it ended badly. I realised I'd have no way of telling if the new hole I was drilling was square or not but luckily managed to save the first one and then abandoned the plan. Also it turned out the new wheel nut was too short and didn't give a good fit on the hub. Luckily this is on the side that won't be displayed though. But it annoyed me anyway, part of the reason I just want to start with a clean new model.
Definitely learnt a lot during this build, not least paint finish and the use of microsol. Also learnt a lot about preparation for painting parts and now I'm no longer getting dust spoiling the finishes etc. I wouldn't recommend this kit though. Tamiyas are generally very very good but this one was a struggle with the fit all the way (one of the jobs still left to do is sort out the fit between the airbox and air filter). Hope you all enjoyed the build and thanks for everyone for giving helpful comments/encouragement (almost gave up after that first brake disc!)
Pictures to follow in the next post...

And billypee, don't usually have them so close to the edge but I had to bring it a bit closer for the photo. Also I store the model in a box on a shelf when I'm not working on it (as long as I can get all the pieces to fit without touching each other) so there's no risk I'll accidentally knock it off when I'm just passing through :) And also in this case it's partly down to my desk being rather messy at the moment!

ejsmith
05-07-2008, 12:44 PM
Not going to make a completed thread for the reasons above but I'm going to start something else now and work on this whenever I have the spare time. It's pretty much ready for display though....

Well here's how the brakes looked in the end, just before putting the wheels on
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4473.jpg

And now the finished article...

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4482.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4477.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4483.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4484.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4487.jpg

ferrari2k
05-23-2008, 01:18 PM
Steering wheel took me a while
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/ejsmith/DSCF4181.jpg

May I ask where you did get this Suzuka decal? I have several of these in my pile and want to create different versions (Australia 02, Belgium, France, Italy). Would be very nice if I have the correct decals on the steering wheel.

ejsmith
05-23-2008, 06:10 PM
It came with the TABU decal sheet which came from modelworks.co.uk. I don't think it came with any other tracks though, only for the Japanese GP

ferrari2k
05-24-2008, 08:16 AM
It came with the TABU decal sheet which came from modelworks.co.uk. I don't think it came with any other tracks though, only for the Japanese GP
Thanks, I just found it and it comes with every track layout.

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