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2000 Blazer still won't start


Oldsmobile Doctor
03-31-2008, 01:54 PM
Started truck to warm up ran for a while than died. When you cycle the key you can hear fuel pump running. Checked and don’t have spark at coil. Plugged in known good ignition module still no spark.
Plugged in good coil still no spark. Hooked up computer reader and cranked engine no codes or tack reading while cranking. Replaced crank position sensor and still no start. Checked the power feed to coil, ing module, crank position sensor and cam position sensor. Checked all fuses to ignition and computer. Replaced Computer and still no spark. Was working on 98 Bravada and swapped crank sensor the one from blazer worked in Bravada. Checked for spark on Blazer and it had spark swapped it back and it still had spark. Tried to start and it starts and dies. If I put gas in the throttle body it will run until it runs out.
Was running the fuel pump and it died replaced pump it still starts and dies. Purchased a fuel pressure gage and checked fuel pressure at the filter and it is 75 psi. Checked the pressure at the engine and it is 63 psi when starting than drops to 55 psi when it starts. I looked at other posts and others wouldn’t start for 10 min mine will start but die over and over. :banghead:

old_master
03-31-2008, 02:05 PM
If you put fuel in the throttle body and it runs, you have a fuel delivery problem. Key on, engine off, pump running, must be 60psi to 66psi. Must remain above 55psi for 3 to 5 minutes after the pump shuts off. Post your results.

Oldsmobile Doctor
03-31-2008, 03:01 PM
Turned ignition on gage went to 62 psi dropped to 55 psi and was holding for 10 min when I came it to post results.

old_master
03-31-2008, 03:09 PM
In the underhood fuse panel, directly in front of the fuel pump relay, there is a vacant, single, recessed terminal. That terminal comes from the fuel pump relay and goes directly to the fuel pump. Cycle the key several times to make sure that terminal is activated every time, and that it remains powered when the engine is running. You can also run a fused 10 amp jumper wire from battery positive to that terminal, the pump must activate every time you apply battery voltage to that terminal, (watch fuel pressure).

Oldsmobile Doctor
03-31-2008, 03:28 PM
The pump runs while it is running though rather short . When jumping to the prime connector pressure goes to 62 1/2 psi then drops to 56 psi when I unhook it. When starting while jumpered pressure drops to 55 - 56 while it runs than jumps back to 62 - 63 after it stalls

old_master
03-31-2008, 03:35 PM
Will the engine remain running if you keep the jumper wire connected?

Oldsmobile Doctor
03-31-2008, 03:44 PM
No it dies

old_master
03-31-2008, 03:51 PM
Is the SES light on when the engine is running?

Check TP voltage with key on engine off, must be below 1.0V

Check MAP voltage with key on engine off, must be at least 4.0V, then decrease when cranking.

post your results.

old_master
03-31-2008, 03:57 PM
Before we go too much farther, does this vehicle have a security system, anti theft system or remote starter, either factory installed or aftermarket?

Oldsmobile Doctor
03-31-2008, 04:11 PM
SES light goes out when it starts and stays off.
Tps voltage is .575
Map voltage is 4.75 drops to 2.something when it start
I have a MT 2500 and can give live data from the sensors but I only have a generic cartridge

Oldsmobile Doctor
03-31-2008, 04:16 PM
No remote starters, No sercurity besides the passkey system that they all have

old_master
03-31-2008, 04:21 PM
Just for grins, stick a test light in the negative coil terminal and fire it up. Make sure it stays on, (pulses) when the engine is running and DURING the stall.

Do the same thing on the coil positive, (pink) wire, and see what it does.

(just want to make sure we're not losing ignition)

old_master
03-31-2008, 04:27 PM
If the SES light goes off and stays off, the problem is most likely NOT in the OBDII system. Primary and secondary ignition and fuel delivery are not directly monitored by OBD so they can't turn the SES light on.

Oldsmobile Doctor
03-31-2008, 04:53 PM
The light hooked to the pink wire to ground stays on while while cranking but won't start. When removed it will run longer guessing do to injectors firing while not starting. When hooked to white & black wire to batt it flashes weakly while cranking. tries to start but dosen't. Also runs longer before dying.

old_master
03-31-2008, 05:04 PM
The coil connector must be connected when you probe. (You want the engine to start and run while probing each of the terminals.)

Oldsmobile Doctor
03-31-2008, 05:07 PM
I did, I pushed a pin into the connector from the wire end.

old_master
03-31-2008, 06:37 PM
In one of your posts you said the pump ran, but short.... Connect the fuel pressure tester, connect the jumper to the pump prime terminal and start the engine. What does the fuel pressure do when the engine stalls?

Oldsmobile Doctor
03-31-2008, 06:48 PM
Pressuer drops to 58-59 psi while running than jumps back to 63 when it stalls

old_master
03-31-2008, 06:57 PM
That's normal, fuel pressure is ok, it's not losing fuel pressure. (I just wanted to double check)

Connect a volt meter to the pink wire at the coil, turn the key to RUN, (should show battery voltage). Start the engine and watch voltage when it stalls. (It should hang around 14 volts with the engine running.) What we're looking for is an abrupt drop to zero in voltage, then fuel pressure should also drop, then rise back to 63psi or so after the engine stalls out.

Oldsmobile Doctor
03-31-2008, 07:09 PM
Last test for tonight getting dark. Had to scare up a analog meter it goes to 12 v when ing turned on and wavers a little but dosen't drop below 11.5 volt. the digital meter shows 13+ when the analog shows 12 there is a battery charger on the truck.

old_master
03-31-2008, 07:20 PM
Ignition voltage, (on the pink wire) remains when it stalls?

Oldsmobile Doctor
03-31-2008, 07:37 PM
Yes, pink wire has power when ever the key is on. I had the same symptom on a Camaro when putting on a remote starter I had to put a bypass on for the passkey. FYI I have Mitchall On-Demand and can look up any thing to do with the wiring.

old_master
03-31-2008, 07:43 PM
I strongly suspect that passlock is causing the problem. If Passlock detects that the engine is started without the proper key, it shuts off the injectors, not the ignition or fuel pump. Here's a website that explains how to disable it: http://www.burnyourbonus.info/rec.autos.tech/thread610.html Please post your results.

Oldsmobile Doctor
03-31-2008, 08:16 PM
Well the problem with that is that the truck needs to be running when the switch is turned off. The body control module sees that as a malfunction and disables the theft deterrent. If I know what type of signal the BCM sends to the PCM it might be possible to mimic it. I also saw an older post were someone offered to reflash the PCM to remove the VTD. I also posted about the PCM not being flashed for my truck and if it would run and idle. Thinking that I could possibly swap with another truck that has the same PCM.

Oldsmobile Doctor
04-04-2008, 03:18 PM
Did the Passlock auto learn procedure and it is running for now

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