I found this on another forum. It was just posted 4 days ago and is referencing the 15th of this month:


...if you're talking to me the one I saw was a silver titanium color. It's weird to because I saw it at a Ferrari dealer. It's one sitting in the show room of Shelton Ferrari in Ft Lauderdale. Anyone can just walk in a take a look at it. I have several pictures of the car and 1 or 2 with me standing next to the car but I don't know how to post pictures on this freakin thing. How can I post a pic?

By the way I think the guy who owns the McLaren in there is trading it for an Enzo. The Enzo is going for a cool 1.4 million in South Florida. They also have an F40 in the show room and I was totally blown away, that is one beautiful car. That's the first F40 I've ever seen, and some guy had his F50 in the back getting serviced. I **** you not, I saw an F40, McLaren F1, and an F50 all at the same Ferrari dealership on the same day last week. All within 100 yards of each other. The F40 and McLaren were sitting close to each other in the showroom and the F50 was in the garage. Not to mention I was surrounded by 360s, F355s, and 550 Maranellos. I was one lucky man last week. I have the pics of the 40 and McLaren but can't figure out how to post them here.

And so with this info, I went to the Shelton Ferrari website and sure enough, you can see the car in two photos on the site. In the first shot, it is nearly centered - right under the "Ferrari" sign. In the second shot, you can see the side of the car in the back right corner of the showroom.

http://www.sheltonferrari.com/Splash/images/splashstore.jpg

http://www.sheltonferrari.com/Templates/SheltonFerrari/images/homecar.jpg

If anyone is local and can go see the car PLEASE take a camera with you - preferrably a digital one so you can easily share the pics with us. This guy who originally posted the info hasn't managed to get his on the web yet.

Also - make sure to find out which F1 road car this is. If no one will tell you, you should be able to read the plaque just ahead of the shifter where the keyhole is - that will give you the production number. If you can find out the name of the current owner, that would be excellent too but I doubt they are handing that info out. If I had to guess, I'd say that it could be Elon Musk's car being that it is silver and that his car wore Florida plates in the last set of photos that I saw of it.

Good luck - and you may wish to call ahead to be sure that the car is still there if it's a long distance to travel for you.

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Peloton,
As irony would have it, I called Shelton about the car just a few days ago. The car is not for sale. It is a "customer's car" that is being used purely for business attraction. As you would expect, they were not interested in providing details, but upon my inquiry, did go so far as to say that the car was not Elon Musk's, nor Ralph Lauren's. I have my suspicions, but no confirmation as of yet.

As a possible solution, the gentleman that took pictures of the car could possibly email the pictures to you or myself, and either of us would post them as needed.

Thanks for looking into it XO-Tech. :sun:

As for silver cars in the US, I count the two you mentioned, plus Carl Beal's, Herb Chamber's, and I have heard that Larry Ellison's car is also silver. I wouldn't think that it would be either of those three though.

There is also a gentleman in Florida - Gerd Petrik - who has a Dk Silver F1, but the Shelton car doesn't appear to be that color from the photos that I posted here. He also owns the only CLK-GTR Strasseversion (#4 of 25) that I'm aware of in the US. An article I read said that he was able to buy that car for 1.7mil after finding a champion horse for the daughter of the co-founder of AMG. On top of that he still had to pay another couple hundred thousand dollars to bring here and legalize it. Also in his collection is the only Euro-spec F50 that has been brought into the US which seems surprising as I was not aware that DOT would let those in. Things may have changed since that article was written of course.

Anyway, I put a very similar thread to this one on a few other forums in the hope that someone locally will get out there and check it out for me. I don't have any faith that we'll see the photos from that original poster any time soon. If I get anything back through those other threads, I will of course share it with the group.

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That story about him finding the champoin horse sounds like horse poo to me!

Anyone with a car collection like his and financial resources like his can buy any car in the world. And he didn't need to pay 200k extra to legalize anything either. The European F50 is pretty much the same except for lights and emissions equipment. After numerous 360 Modenas were shipped in privately during the speculative days, Ferrari raised a big fuss about how they were substantially different in order to make it harder for private importers to make a buck and upset their carefully controlled supply of cars to each market. They submitted a list of over 200 differences, most of which were found to be completely insignificant (such as Italian versus English versus Arabic labels, etc.). They were just using their financial and legal muscle to try and control the market.

Gerd Petrik bought one of the AmericSpec McLarens, so it already had all of the Amerispec "modifications" and he bought the CLK-GTR into the coutnry under the show and display exemption. With that exemption, you can bring in approved special and rare cars even if they don't conform to safety regulations. It costs under $200 to apply for this exemption from the NHTSA.

Such cars are still required to pass EPA smog requirements, which can be extremely expensive--I have heard that a McLaren will cost 50-80,000 USD to bring into compliance with emissions laws. However, Gerd Petrik lives in Florida, which has no smog requirement.

Originally posted by faisalkhan
That story about him finding the champoin horse sounds like horse poo to me!

You can read the article here - I don't make this stuff up:

http://www.departures.com/wg/wg_1100_limitededitioncars.html

The European F50 is pretty much the same except for lights and emissions equipment.

That doesn't change the fact that the current laws of this country do not allow for the import of non-US-spec F50s. Do some research on what cars are allowed under Show&Display and you will see that the F50 is excluded. I know that Ferrari recently raised a fuss about the grey market Ferrari's entering the US, but it was mainly to protect their dealer network and a 6-7 year old used F50 coming into the country wouldn't infringe on that the way the new Modena's have.

Such cars are still required to pass EPA smog requirements, which can be extremely expensive... However, Gerd Petrik lives in Florida, which has no smog requirement.

There are still government regulations on emission levels mandated by the EPA and the car must be modified to meet those. Whether he has to get a smog check every other year isn't relevant to the initial import requirements.

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Incidentally faisalkhan - your response to the info presented here seems rather hostile. This isn't a battle, we're just here to discuss the F1 and share information. If you have differing info or opinion on something there are more tactful ways to share it or correct someone. Just food for thought...

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Peloton,
The F50 does not require Show & Display in order to be imported. It is allowed because there was an equivalent U.S. car for the car. Specifically, only the 1995 F50 can be imported. Since there is no 1996 or 1997 F50 that was originally imported to the U.S. the European 1996 & 97 cars cannot be imported. I have had several '95s done for buyers here in the US. I assure you there is more than one Euro F50 here in the states. My guess would be somewhere around 8-10 cars. The next time I speak to one of my contacts that has access to that type of information, I will ask him.

Faisal,
Despite the fact that an Amerispec car "complies" with the US specs (aka: converted) They do not fully comply with DOT nor EPA. As found by a review of what Amerispec actually did to the cars (read: next to nothing). As a result, all 7 original Amerispec cars were asked to file for S&D exemption. The requirement to retest them for EPA certification has not yet been sorted out, such is the case with Gerd Petrik's car regardless of his Florida residence status. There is a 49 state EPA certification and a California certification. California being the most strict and difficult to pass. Thankfully, the McLaren is not only a wonderful car but also quite clean and with some work, it can pass California EPA Certification.

The CLK GTR was pursued for conversion elgibility but has since been ruled as not possible. The car did not pass certification. Despite the fact that the CLK GTR was considered for the Show & Display exemption, NO cars have been approved for imporation. There are 3 cars currently here in the states. One of which is Petrik's car. Despite the money spent to pass the car, it did not. In order to pass the car for the EPA requirements, the engine must be removed and replaced by a (I believe) SL500 motor (similar V-12). The car would then be able to pass EPA, but has lost all of the appeal that makes the car what it is. The EPA deemed that such action was too extensive and impossible to regulate. In other words, the probablity that the owner would reinstall the original engine was likely and therefore not acceptable.

The cars that remain are here on temporary Visa's only. They remain here only on museum visas or racing only certificates. Both such permissions are temporary.

Peloton, sorry about the tone. It was not my intent to be hostile. Also, sorry about any misinformation--Xotech, thanks for setting me straight.

If you read the departures article or the BMW roundel magazie about the McLaren, there's quite a bit of half-truths and downright BS in them. I am sure the people on these boards know a lot more about these amazing cars than what the journos write. It seems they throw in two lines of research supplemented by two pages of romantic fantasy.
Rgds,
Faisal.

Originally posted by XOTech
the engine must be removed and replaced by a (I believe) SL500 motor (similar V-12)That would be SL600, 500's are V8's

Originally posted by faisalkhan
If you read the departures article or the BMW roundel magazie about the McLaren, there's quite a bit of half-truths and downright BS in them.
Rgds,
Faisal.


I just want to clear up the above statement. There are no half-truths or BS in the Roundel article. Just about everything in there sounds right to me. The author is not related to the owner nor TMS. He is an accomplished automotive journalist - not a TMS PR person. He did his research before writing the story. Much of that story is the author's own opinion of driving the car. Indeed, much of the information in the Roundel article can be backed up by the official Driving Ambition book (which I just finished last night as a matter of fact).

No offense intended to anyone - just setting the record straight.

Originally posted by faisalkhan
Peloton, sorry about the tone. It was not my intent to be hostile.

No hard feelings. :) I just get turned off by message boards where every discussion turns sour when people disagree and wanted to make sure that we weren't headed that way.

Apparently, I was wrong as well on the F50 thing so we can't all be perfect. Now we'll just have to find an error in something that XO-Tech has stated so that we are all even - yeah, right ;) :D

XO-Tech - that's quite a shame about the CLK-GTR's. I happen to have met the owner of one of the GTR's that's here and I got to see the car one time already. He owns 'Market Scan' a company that makes dealership software for leasing. He has an incredibly impressive collection of other cars as well, including a TWR XJ220S. I asked him with all the amazing cars in his collection, why he doesn't have a McLaren F1 and his response was that he already has one tempermental British supercar and doesn't really want another. :D Oh well - to each his own I guess. He told me that he and Vik Keuylian had imported of few of the TWR Jag's and that his car - the dark silver one - originally was Tom Walkinshaw's personal car. I can post photos of his CLK-GTR and the other cars from his collection if you guys are interested.

Since we are sort of on the topic of Amerispec Corp F1's - can anyone confirm this list of the owners of the 7 Ameritech F1's??


Jay Leno's - Black with Red door stripe
Carl Beal's - Silver - Road&Track magazine test car
Gerd Petrik's - Dk. Silver
Larry Ellison's - Silver - May have sold his F1 for a reported 1.6Mil ??
Ralph Lauren - 2 different F1's - One is silver, other is unknown
Herb Chamber's - Silver


Any corrections, additions, or deletions you can make to that list would be greatly appreciated.

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That doctor in Midland, TX, is probably the seventh guy. Unless that's Herb Chambers...dunno who that is.

Also, I saw a picture of Jay Leno's McLaren in some magazine article recently. It's maroon.

-Faisal.

Originally posted by drewwtms



I just want to clear up the above statement. There are no half-truths or BS in the Roundel article. Just about everything in there sounds right to me. The author is not related to the owner nor TMS. He is an accomplished automotive journalist - not a TMS PR person. He did his research before writing the story. Much of that story is the author's own opinion of driving the car. Indeed, much of the information in the Roundel article can be backed up by the official Driving Ambition book (which I just finished last night as a matter of fact).

No offense intended to anyone - just setting the record straight.

You can set the record straight all you want. But you can't clear up statements I make. Only I can. Here's why I wrote that the Roundel article had inaccuracies:

It implies that cost was no object in the development of the McLaren. In fact, costs were looked at most carefully. Certainly, no expense was spared in ensuring the purity of the concept execution, but many decisions were dictated by cost, such as whether to continue developing carbon brakes or use the heavier, conventional brakes. Despite that, the low production numbers still necessitated a very high price tag. As another example, the high-mounted mirrors required too much strengthening of the door pillars. A few people still go for this option at extra cost. The switchgear inside is quite basic, too. But it was left alone due to cost considerations. As were several other items Gordon Murray was not 100% satisfied with. He is quoted in a Car magazinge article as saying he absolutely detests the bonnet stay or some such component.

It says McLaren cars produced only 107 of these cars--McLAren's own website refutes this statement and accounts for all 100 cars they have produced.

Then it says that includes 28 race cars. Not quite. 28 GTRs were produced. What about the LMs? What about the GTR LMs?

Next column, it says the show and display status is for cars that are difficult to bring into compliance with safety standards. Again, not quite. It is specifically for cars that have no hope of ever meeting the federal safety standards. Many cars are difficult to bring into compliance, but can nevertheless be brought into compliance and certified. These can all be imported and converted and (once they are certified for safety and emissions) registered for road use in America with no restrictions.

I agree these are minor points and I am nitpicking. But I read the articles to learn something, and when I find I can correct the author, it's a bit disappointing. I did enjoy the article and now that I have reread it, I would say it's more accurate than most. I would also say that it's light on technical and historical detail and seems to just touch on highlights, which most McLaren enthusiasts would already know about. Obviously, we are not the target audience, and it is perfectly presented for the intended audience (BMWCC members).

So, again, sorry if I ruffled any feathers. But please don't speak for me.
Thanks.

My apologies to Mr. faisalkhan. My attempt at defending the author of the Roundel story did come out as cutting faisalkhan off at the knees. That was not my intent. I post my opinion here and do not speak for anyone. I encourage others to do the same.

I do not wish to nitpick further so I will let the matter drop.

Thanks.

Sorry to but in but...

there were 105 cars in total produced according to McLaren. and other sites as well. Unless theres something they are not telling us... these are divided as follows:

64 "standard" road-legal F1s

28 GTR race cars (3 different versions for '95, '96 and '97 seasons)

5 road-legal F1 LMs

3 road-legal F1 GT long-tail cars (based on the '97 season race car)

plus the 5 XP cars used for development

Total: 105 cars

Now some of these cars don't exist any more due to crashes and others might have been converted to another version (eg. some GTRs might have been made road-legal) but these are all the cars that were ever produced officially. I believe some people in this forum can confirm this...

I asked him with all the amazing cars in his collection, why he doesn't have a McLaren F1 and his response was that he already has one tempermental British supercar and doesn't really want another. Oh well - to each his own I guess.

Even though McLaren is based in Britain, the engine is BMW so thats German.....so there really shouldn't be any tempermental problems, right?

Originally posted by faisalkhan
That doctor in Midland, TX, is probably the seventh guy. Unless that's Herb Chambers...dunno who that is.

The Midland, TX car is Carl Beal's - it's #042. His car was on the cover of R&T in December 1997 and was used again for their "World’s Fastest Cars" article in August 1998 where Mario Andretti could only push the car to 217mph.

Herb Chambers is the Massachusetts car dealer who often displays his F1 on the showroom floors of his high-line dealerships. Here's a photo of him and his car from the main page of his website:

http://a2.cpimg.com/image/44/54/16938052-7bd1-016000EF-.jpg

http://www.herbchambers.com/ <-- Yeah, this guy isn't in love with himself or anything. :D

Also, I saw a picture of Jay Leno's McLaren in some magazine article recently. It's maroon.

Sorry, but that magazine must not have been displaying a photo of his actual car as I am 110% positive that it is black with a red stripe on the vent line of the door. Here are a few photos of Jay's car taken at his storage facility in Burbank, CA:

http://a7.cpimg.com/image/ED/DE/11625197-9900-02000180-.jpg
http://a6.cpimg.com/image/F6/DE/11625206-8317-02000180-.jpg

Hi-Res 1024x768 - Cut&Paste these links into a new browser window:

http://members5.clubphoto.com/_cgi-bin/getImage.pl?imgID=11625197-65f4&trans=

http://members5.clubphoto.com/_cgi-bin/getImage.pl?imgID=11625206-39d9&trans=

I have more photos of Jay's car and even a few of him with the car, but these were the only two that I have hosted at the moment.

Originally posted by faisalkhan
...It says McLaren cars produced only 107 of these cars--McLAren's own website refutes this statement and accounts for all 100 cars they have produced.

Then it says that includes 28 race cars. Not quite. 28 GTRs were produced. What about the LMs? What about the GTR LMs?

Ok - let me try to clear up a bit of this. There were 107 total McLaren F1s produced if you include the prototypes, of which there were seven. 993cc Man - you were very close


Here's the breakdown taken directly from the poster included with "Driving Ambition".

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McLaren F1 Total Production:

7 Prototypes = 5 F1 road cars (XP1-XP5), one F1 LM (XPLM), and one F1 GT long tail road car (56XPGT)

64 Roadcars (Normal versions with "Short" bodywork) - note that some of these cars have since been converted or were originally delivered with the 'High Downforce LM-kit'.

28 GTRs (Racecars) - This includes the 9 '95-spec GTR's, the 9 '96-spec GTRs, and the 10 '97-spec long tailed GTRs. Again - many of these cars have since been converted by the factory for road use, but that doesn't change their original designation as GTRs.

5 LMs (lightweight and more powerful roadcars -- 2336 lbs vs. 2495 lb, 668 bhp and 520 lb/ft vs 627 bhp and 479 lb/ft). These cars were constructed to commemorate the McLaren F1's debut participation at Le Mans in 1995, where 5 GTRs completed the race -- finishing 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 13th. A sixth GTR retired in the 8th hour due to a crash.

2 F1 GTs (roadcars with "Long" bodywork similar to 1997 GTR racecars).

1 Spare Chassis

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F1 LM's were built to be road cars, not race cars, so they aren't counted as GTRs. No McLaren F1 has ever been officially classified as a GTR LM - even the long tailed GTRs only wear a "GTR" badge. Now of course a few of these cars no longer exist - (XP1, XP2, the Christopher Dawes car, and possibly 1 or 2 others) but that doesn't change the number that was originally produced. You could argue that it was only 106 cars, since the 107th was just a spare chassis, but I'll quote some more text from "Driving Ambition":

"Once the last six road cars plus one spare chassis had been completed in 1998, the total of body/chassis units completed brought the final McLaren F1 series grand total to 107: very close, in fact, to the traditional production total of that great 1960's Le Mans winning classic - the Ford GT40 and GT Mark 2 series - which was notionally 112.

And with that, it was time for McLaren Cars Ltd to direct it's uniquely qualified talents towards entirely new projects for the 21st Century."

I know that was a lot to read, but it should help clear things up. As to the original topic, it seems that the guy who initially saw the car at Shelton and took pictures is working to get those online. I'll gladly share them as soon as I see them.

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Originally posted by TexasF355F1
Even though McLaren is based in Britain, the engine is BMW so thats German.....so there really shouldn't be any tempermental problems, right?

I think it's British electronics that prove to be tempermental - though I'm not positive whether the TAG Electronics have any notable bugs.

Maybe he'll wise up and get one eventually. :D

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Thanks Peloton for that, it was my mistake about the LM XP prototype but I didnt know about the spare chassis, plus what happened to the GT prototype? The official McLaren site states there were 3 F1 GTs so maybe it was later converted into a full road-going car? And would you happen to know what 's the story with all those other prototypes (I know about XP1 that was written off and the Park Lane car - the only McLaren I've seen in the flesh! - but where are the whereabouts of the rest?)

Well I listed the F1 GT prototype at the top of my list with the others. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "What happened to it?"

If you include the prototype there were a total of three F1 GTs - which, just so that we are clear is the long tail road car that was built to homologate the long tailed F1 GTRs. The prototype was green, and currently remains in the possession of McLaren Cars Ltd. in a corner of the factory. The two customer F1 GTs were black (#54F1GT) and burgundy (#58F1GT). The burgundy car is owned by a Japanese collector. jkbon recently posted photos of it in this forum sitting in a museum in that country next to one of the 5 customer F1 LM's. I'm not sure I've ever seen photos of the black F1 GT as most of the shots of the prototype make it appear black even though it is really a deep shade of green.

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As for the prototypes, you know about the death of XP1 already. XP2 was never fully completed - being built only to the point that was needed for the government crash testing at MIRA. I believe that Bernd Piechstrieder, the former President of BMW destroyed XP3 at some point - though I'm not sure if the damage was repairable. If that car was repaired then I'm not aware what became of it. XP4 lives in the car collection of a gentleman in Fremont, CA. XP5 is still in the possession of the McLaren Cars Ltd. factory. It was their marketing car as well as the F1 that recorded the 386.7Km/H - 240.1Mph top speed around VW's Ehra-Leissen test track at the hands of Andy Wallace.

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Since you saw the car in England, is there any chance that you can identify exactly which McLaren F1 it is. There has been some speculation that it could be the Clinic Model - the non-functioning prototype that was originally shown to the Press at the car's launch in Monaco. If you have more info on that please share it.

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Snowboarder,
Good eye. I completely spaced on that comment. There is little doubt that the SL600 has the V12 and the SL500 has the V8. That was a case of thinking faster than I was typing. I do also make mistakes.

Also to confirm, Jay's car is indeed black as the pictures show.

Faisal,
I am curious about the maroon picture. It appears the reference to the picture was incorrect, but a maroon car is quite unique. If possible, post the picture and we will try to find an answer to the mystery.

I think it's British electronics that prove to be tempermental - though I'm not positive whether the TAG Electronics have any notable bugs.
Ok cool, thats exactly what I was thinking I had heard to be the problem with British cars. My dad had a british car(i can't remember the name)when he was in his early 20s. He said it was the funnest car he has ever owned but also the worst to maintain.

The British cars in the past, specifically back in the 60s and even up to the late 80s have had notable electrical challenges. There are countless stories of problem Jaguars, Jensens, and others that just didn't have the electronics sorted out. As of late, the bigger manufacturers have bought out most of the remaining British car companies. If little else, the big companies have instilled valuable Quality Engineering characteristics.

Today, the quality is far improved from what it used to be. The issue of the poor electronic reputation is rapidly disappearing.

The McLaren has absolutely nothing to do with any other reputation, even other British manufacturers. The comment made by that car collector is simply the excuse that he has reasoned in his own mind to justify not having one. I believe it to be completely unmeritted.

In fact, I cannot name any other car of any manufacturer that has the capability to be monitored by modem from any location to the factory. Not to mention, the on-board diagnostics of the McLaren rival any race car data acquisition system. The car is superior to all other road going exotics with the possible exception of converted race cars with their entire DAQ (Data AcQuisition) systems entact.

I would agree with Peloton. I am not aware of any bugs.

The two Mclarens that are currently racing in Japan JGTC. What is the deal with them ie. year, model etc. . . ???

I have seen the series off and on aired on the Speed Channel. There really isn't very much coverage of the McLaren as a result of them not consistantly being in the top 5 all the time.

I am rather surprised to see the cars in the series. I am also not sure of the rules to know if the car is penalized in power or weighted as a result of its power and speed. As I watch the car on the track, it doesn't strike me as hugely fast. If anything, it appears to be reasonably matched with its competitors.

Both cars are 1997 GTR Longtails. I am not certain of the previous history of the car to be able to tell you exactly which car it was in its active campaign in 1997. I will ask one of my contacts overseas that is very into racing, he may know.

Thanks Xotech . . .

I can tell you this from following the JGTC. The Mclarens (as is the Diablo) are running restrictors and may indeed have a weight penalty prior to the rewards weight that is added or subtracted based on finishing. They are running in the GT500 class (500bhp) which we all know these cars are already well above this in stock for. Your are correct it does make them much more evenly matched.

Thanks for the info.

Oh one other questions while it is on my mind. Are you familiar with Turner Motorsports (BMW) that run in the speed world challenge. I know that owner has one F1 but did he buy a second. I thought I had heard this on this board somewhere.

What would you like to know? :D


Douglas Drew Ingram

[QUOTE]Originally posted by drewwtms
[B]What would you like to know? :D


WOW, Nothing particular I had just heard that they had one of these wonderful cars. I guess it is time for me to try and start my own business too.:D :D

You can see more views of TMS and of the McLaren F1 (owned by a client - not TMS) and check out our performance products for BMWs and the New Mini here: www.turnermotorsport.com

You can also check out our race team at www.tmsracing.com (the 2002 version but a 2003 version will be up shortly).

Thanks!

Peloton , on the last page of the Autocar book it says that the original "studio model'' shown in Monaco originally finished in magnesium, had since been painted red blue and yellow. And it's been 10 years since then! So who knows what happened to it next...

However the showroom car might be the car described in the list as "car 001 3rd off the production line - McLarens own car finished in bright silver magnesium". It makes sense...and I don't live in London anymore so cant go there....

Good info man - thanks!

There was some speculation that it was #001, so maybe you are right. I know someone who's headed there this summer so I should get the final answer then. Luckily I'm patient... ;)

I had never heard that the Clinic Model - or studio model as they call it - was finished in Blue. I have photos of it in the other three colors though. I guess I'll have to do some more searching to find some pics of it in blue now. Mission impossible probably. ;)

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As luck would have it - I found something in my quest.

While it's not a real picture, it is a drawing / painting of the Clinic Model in blue. I'm still searching for a photograph, but I have to believe that with AutoCar's access from McLaren Cars, they would be correct.

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I can say with quite certainty, that the car on display in London is not #001. It is not in England, but rather in greater Europe. I am not certain as to which car it is. It is possible that #001 has moved since the last time I inquired of the car for a client.

Originally posted by 993cc Man
Sorry to but in but...

there were 105 cars in total produced according to McLaren. and other sites as well. Unless theres something they are not telling us... these are divided as follows:

64 "standard" road-legal F1s

28 GTR race cars (3 different versions for '95, '96 and '97 seasons)

5 road-legal F1 LMs

3 road-legal F1 GT long-tail cars (based on the '97 season race car)

plus the 5 XP cars used for development

Total: 105 cars

Now some of these cars don't exist any more due to crashes and others might have been converted to another version (eg. some GTRs might have been made road-legal) but these are all the cars that were ever produced officially. I believe some people in this forum can confirm this...


not quite, there were 6 LM produced (including xplm) and there were 29 gtr's (last tub wan't reced (altho i have been led to believe it was in the 1999 (can't remember, i believe it was 99) Fuji 1000km


this makes the number of chassis' produced a correct 107

Originally posted by 993cc Man
Peloton , on the last page of the Autocar book it says that the original "studio model'' shown in Monaco originally finished in magnesium, had since been painted red blue and yellow. And it's been 10 years since then! So who knows what happened to it next...

However the showroom car might be the car described in the list as "car 001 3rd off the production line - McLarens own car finished in bright silver magnesium". It makes sense...and I don't live in London anymore so cant go there....


its quite possibe the clinic model is the car that is in the mclaren showroom on Park Lane....i have seen it and other pics, and it appears not to have moved for at least 2 years, it could have had some minor adjustments to look like the car it is now (lights, fender changes, indicators changed). i will hopefully find out this summer when i go again. i am also getting in to the taylor and crawley private warehouse, so its gonna be sweet, hopefully the'll have their mclarens there (they have a longtail and a silver f1 road car and i also believe the yellow car is still in their posession. altho it may not be @ the warehouse

:) :smoka:

wow, where is this warehouse? i would like to visit next time i am in the uk, if it is open to the public.
thanks
faisal.

Originally posted by faisalkhan
wow, where is this warehouse? i would like to visit next time i am in the uk, if it is open to the public.
thanks
faisal.


nope, not open to public, my grandfather got me in somehow. i will also get a look of teh mclaren on park lane, does anyone know when the showroom is open or wether or not it is appaintment only? i went twice, one around like 11 and then later on that day around 8-9pm, the mail had not been coollected proving they hadn't opened it up. any info would be helpful... :D

i just got back from fort lauderdale, the rumor is true. there is a silver mclaren f1 in the shelton ferrari showroom, and you are free to gawk and take all the pictures you want. its fucking gorgeous. ill post some as soon as i can find a working scanner. when the dealer saw us centered around the mclaren, he came out and opened up all the doors for us. the owner has the car in the showroom for that purpose, and will soon be adding an enzo to that collection. also, the dealer wouldn't tell us exactly when, but they will be taking the mclaren and enzo down to homestead on a track. shelton also has an f40, a modena race car(in the garage), several modenas, a few 550s and one or two 500s, and one of my favorites, a dark blue 456gt. there's also a red testarosa next to the mclaren. ill be going down in a month or two to check up on that enzo and take more pictures of the mclaren. the owner told the dealer that after buying the mclaren, his f50 just didnt do anything for him anymore so he never drives it.

Petrik had two cars, VIN posted here before.
His CLK GTR is WBD2973971Y000015.
Lauren would never loan his cars for any purposes other than his.
Petrik's F50 may not be a 1995.
No CLK GTR has been approved under S&D.
The car will not pass EPA with it's original engine.

Here are some pictures of F1's having their regular checkups. Also includes photos of Blue F1 with high downforce kit, and the West F1 GTR and F1 GT roadcar in storage, enjoy!

http://tvrfreak.com/Albums/Trips/2002%2006%2007%20London/05%20McLaren/page_01.htm

Thanks for the post!

You'll be unhappy to learn that the guy who took all those pictures posts here and we've all seen them several times.

Don't let this news discourage you from future contributions though. There's always new stuff popping up about the various McLaren's in the world.

>8^)
ER

Originally posted by snowboarder
That would be SL600, 500's are V8's


the engine they wanted to put in the clk-gtr was a cl600

So everyone knows, Gerd Petrik sold both of his F1's quite awhile ago. I just figured I would clear this up seeing as you mentioned at one point that the car in question may have been his however he sold them awhile back. He still has most of his other cars and is still getting new cars all the time. Also, the departures article was correct about prices he paid for the cars and how long it took him to get many of them. Just thought I would clear a few things up. take care

I don't think he had two McLarens...can anyone else confirm or disprove this?

Well the Departures article only mentions one, but some other sources stated that he did have two. They were both Ameritech cars - one is in the possession of Elon Musk and I believe the other is now Lawerence Strohl's. It really surprises me that he would have two and that he would end up selling both, especially after the way he raved about the car in that article.

>8^)
ER

Yea its kinda strange that he sold both of them but shit happens I guess and he decided to sell them both. They were both very nice as are all his cars. It was great seeing him pull up in the McLaren to school but oh well. Now we just have to deal with seeing him in his other supercars:biggrin: