WIP...Peugeot 405T16GR

Hello everyone!

After doing the Aston Martin DBR9, I decided to do an older racecar...something powerful but not as "high tech" as the Aston, so, out of the storage room came the kit of the Peugeot 405T 16GR. The Camel sponsored vehicle drove to victory by Ari Vatanen in the 1990 edition of the Paris-Dakar rally.

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This is one of my all time favorite kits, in fact, I think this one made me a full time (so to speak) modeler.
I was lucky enough to buy 3 boxes of this kit when it was originally issued. Lucky because this kit is getting harder and harder to find, not to mention it´s rising cost.

A note for all kit collectors out there: There are 2 versions of the kit box, one in english and another with only japanese text. I was told by a Tamiya representative that the japanese box kit is very rare now, and it´s collectible cost is almost twice than the english box version.

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Now, on to the kit...

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When you open the box, you get the feeling that you are seeing parts of a recent Tamiya kit, even when the kit is 18 years old. The detail is absolutely gorgeous and the engineering of the kit is flawless. There are some sink marks but all of them are hidden in places you won´t see in the finished model.
A special note for all young modelers out there...Inlcuded in this Kit is the 1990 Tamiya catalog. It is really interesting to compare this little list to the beautifully printed catalogs we see today.

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This racecar uses very basic technology, so you wont see any sensors or complicated computers. I will try to replicate the basic elements used in the real car, so research is a HUGE step here.
You won´t find any detailed schematics or photos in the internet. I spent almost 2 weeks looking for decent photos without success, so I sent a mail to the recent home of this racecar, the Peugeot Museum in France (Musée de L'Aventure PEUGEOT) asking for some photos or info that I could use.

After a couple days, I was delighted to receive a mail from Jean-Louis Laine, who is responsible of Peugeot´s Historic Documents. The mail contained a lot of GREAT photos of the real car!!! I got magnificent body, cockpit and engine details!!! I burned this photos and the ones I could find myself in a reference CD. (Thanks Jean_Louis!!!)

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Well, let´s begin!!

I bought old carbon fiber material decals to use in the engine compartment and seats, and this will be my first attempt to do a race worn vehicle, so I ordered sand pigments from Tamiya and MIG.

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First, I painted the engine parts with Testor´s Metalizers. I will add a black wash later to bring the molded details to life:

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All pulley/belts are molded in one single part, so I decided to sand off the belts and use hair rubber rings instead. My wife had a box of this rubber bands and I found out that they have the right texture and width to use with the pulleys!

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This is how the engine looks with the new belts, and after some detail painting. I installed Distributor plugs and wires:

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This is it for the moment! I hope you like this WIP, and I will try to update it regulary!!:iceslolan

Great start!!!!

Yes!! You made the right choice in the end ;)

Looking forward to following this (although I almost don't like you for having three of the only kit I have never managed to find one of :lol: j/k)

Erm..what about the "dromedary" logos?

Erm..what about the "dromedary" logos?

You are right!! I forgot to tell you guys about this!

All CAMEL logos are included in the kit decals!! The illustration in the box cover doesn´t show those markings, but they are inlcuded in the decal sheet.

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Nowadays, this is a different story...what you don´t see in the box cover, is what you DON´T get :icon16:

Wowowowowwwwooowwwwwwww........
I think I've found my 2008 afmoty !! :naughty: :icesangel :lol:

I have this great desert lion to build too (and 1989 Pionner one too).
I have the chance to live not too far from Peugeot museum and have taken a lot of pics with special authorization of the museum (which allowed me to open the cars to take pics of the inside and the engine bay on several cars shown in the museum).

I also plan to build this great tamiya kit with a lot of details...
When I will have my exclusive modeling room with computer, books, desk... and everything needed in the same place. Soon I hope (well I say that every new year, "this year I move to a new home "! :rolleyes: but... maybe...:icon16: )

So no need to say I will watch your build line by line and pic by pic !! :naughty:
This kit is one of the best tamiya kit which can moreover easily be improved with a lot of details...
This must be a really nice model and give an awesome result !
all my encouragements for the build ! :thumbsup:!

Let me know if you miss some pic, I took all details I could, from inside net to brake cooling tubes... :cool:

Great start Sam. You post is very well laid out and the photographs a excellent too. Great idea with the belts too. I cannot wait to see this WIP unfold. Regards, Bill.

Love the belt work on the engine!

hi good start.
I have this model too, but not the camel decal (italy).
I had make a the custon decal sheet , but I problem to find a typographer.

Great start and interesting subject!

Great idea on the belt. I am tuned into this one.

Where are you located? I'd love to get my hands on a package of those "belts".:iceslolan

I built this kit a couple of years after it was issued (actually I received the Pioneer version as a gift and ordered the Camel decals from Tamiya since I preferred that version more), and it's still one of my favorites in my collection.

Just beware of the sand ladders mounted below the rear wing. They are the only area that really needs improvement. Of course when I built it back then, I didn't even know what sand ladders were!:uhoh:

I'm looking forward to your build.

Hi

I will follow this WIP with very attention, because i will receive a 405T16 next week. Im curiouse about how to use the weathering by tamiya. I want to do mine with desert dust. Keep going with that great work.

Miguel Pereira
Portugal

Where are you located? I'd love to get my hands on a package of those "belts".

I live in Mexico City, but the rubber rings are a US made product, I am sure you can find them up there. If not, let me know.

Just beware of the sand ladders mounted below the rear wing. They are the only area that really needs improvement. Of course when I built it back then, I didn't even know what sand ladders were!

I will sand off the molded sand ladders and build new ones with sheet styrene. I will add scratchbuilt retaining belts.:iceslolan

Im curiouse about how to use the weathering by tamiya. I want to do mine with desert dust.

That's the look I am looking for...An "after a dry, desert stage" look. In fact, I will do a base with some sand to show the model "in action". Hope it turns out nice :icon16:

UPDATE :grinyes:

I added wiring and plumbing to the engine/tranny (thanks to rallymaster for the GREAT reference photos!)

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And heres the complete assembly, including the engine block:

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I painted the rear suspension arms with Testors metalizers and added new brackets with straight pins.

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This is it for the moment, but I´ll have some more progress in a couple days!:iceslolan Thanks for watching!

Coming along very nicely.The engine wiring looks really good so far.

Coming along very nicely.The engine wiring looks really good so far.
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Great detailing from one of my favorite brand of cars. Peugeot! Me Like

Finally, another update!:grinyes:

Heres the engine with the rear suspension:

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Here are the brakes and control arm...For the brakes I used Crazy Modeler´s photoetched parts and resin calipers. The assembly of the brake discs is tricky, but the final result looks great!

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Since I will show the model with all the tires on, and to avoid problems during wheel assembly, I will put the brake discs directly in the rims. I added brake lines to the calipers.

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And here´s the complete rear suspension/engine assembly...I added some rivets to give it a better look.

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That´s it for the moment!! I will scratchbuild some exhaust details next.:icon16:

those brakes look amazing, are their diferent colors for side identifcation(font/back;left/right)?

Nice update

Beautiful! Deserving of larger pics! :)

Beautiful! Deserving of larger pics! :)


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Double quote the bigger pics. Looks very interesting, what you have so far!

Thanks for your comments!

I will try to get bigger and better photos...promise! :grinyes:

those brakes look amazing, are their diferent colors for side identifcation(font/back;left/right)?

Yes, red disks center are for the left side, and the blue ones are for the right side.

I know those brakes are going to be impossible to see once the wheels are on, but hey, I KNOW the detail is in there! :icon16:

Great start !!!
I love this car as my favorite driver drove it.
If I can suggest something, the breaded hoses are looking a bit flat. You should fill them with a small electric wire or even a thin wire of tin soldering used in electronic. Just a tip :smile:

If I can suggest something, the breaded hoses are looking a bit flat. You should fill them with a small electric wire or even a thin wire of tin soldering used in electronic. Just a tip

Thanks for the suggestion! I used Detail Master Braided hose, and you're right, it is very flat, but now I ordered Scale Production's hose, that should look way better...I'll post some pics so you guys can see the difference.

Thanks! :rofl:

Looks might fine so far, also fun te read the extra info about the box's :)

Another update! :grinyes:

Remember when I said in my opening post that this kit engineering was flawless?? Well, I take that back after seeing the engine parts!! :banghead:

ALL engine parts are oversimplified and innacurate. The engine drawing in the box cover is very close to the real thing, but the parts provided in the kit will NOT build anything remotely close to that. For example, the exhaust tubes are hollow and look awful:

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A lot of scratchbuilding is needed to make the engine look good. For example, this part is just unusable:

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So, I did a new part out of solder and aluminum tubes. I will add some heat staining prior to installing:

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Next, another part of the exhaust/air filtering system was filled (the pieces were hollow) and sanded:

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Did you notice the hose straps?? Here´s a GREAT tip: Next time your wife drags you to the mall :lol: , check out the nail care stores...I found this roll of nail decoration stripe:

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The stripe is 0.7 mm wide, and it is very thin, almost like bare metal foil..Best of all, it has adhesive, just like Bare metal foil!!... I bought the aluminum colored roll to build the hose stripes, but there´s a wide variety of colors to choose from!!:grinyes:

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Well, that´s it for the moment! I´ll try to make more progress over the weekend!

Waow !
You'll improve this kit even far better than what I thought possible...
Congratulations, nice work and very pleasant thread to follow.

Hey guys! I have more to show you!

This is the part I show you in my previous post with some heat staining...I used Tamiya´s weathering kit, and I think the result looks very realistic:

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And here´s the complete engine/rear transmition with the first pieces of the exhaust and air filtering system installed:

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What do you think? Hope you like it!:grinyes:

It's fantastic. Stunning even! And thanks for the finger nail strip thing idea(!)

love the engine detail

Well, I found out that the shock absorbers/springs parts are a unusable mess (sink marks just in the middle of the springs!!), so I scratchbuilt new parts using wire and aluminum tubes.

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I am scratchbuilding almost 70% of all the engine bay parts...Hopefully I will have everything installed in 4 or 5 days :rolleyes:

Wow Wow Wow...
Is it the pictures effect...?! :naughty: :evillol:

very nice and realistic scratched parts...! :iceslolan

Great start....and i love those shocks!!!

Here´s some advance!! :iceslolan

I instaled the shock absorbers:
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Next, I painted the rear wheel covers with Tamiya´s chrome yellow. Then, I covered the part with old carbon fiber and applied some dark red (semigloss)paint to the inside. I was told Peugeot used this red latex paint as a sand abrasion resistant.
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By the way, I will add some sand weathering later to this area to tone down the carbon fiber a little:
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Here is the engine/rear suspension with the new parts installed:
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I am still working on some engine bay pieces. Almost all of them need some scratchbuilding to look decent...here´s an example:
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Hang in there please!! A new update will come very soon! Hope you like the progress! :icon16:

Outstanding Sam! :thumbsup:

The yellow carbon looks super!

Outstanding Sam!

The yellow carbon looks super!

Thanks!! It´s the first time I use carbon fiber decals from Modeler´s and they are great to work with! :iceslolan

great stuff !

Finally some progress!! :lol2:

This image shows the engine bay with more air filtering elements installed....like I said in a previous post, I had to update or scratchbuild all the original pieces. The only piece missing here is the main exhaust tube, but I will install it after I glue the engine to the chassis...that way, I will be able to align this tube properly.

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I sanded off 2 electrical boxes that are molded in the cockpit that should not be there, and eliminated the one over the transmition tunnel, because it should be bigger. I primed and painted the chassis after I drilled all the holes were the wires will be.
I also instaled the seatbelt supports.

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Next, I installed the fuel cells in the underside of the chassis (aluminum braces are represented with nail strips :tongue:...I even got the wife to hold this part for the photo)and did some wiring to the moulded box in the rear panel of the engine bay.

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This is it for now, but I will have more progress very soon...looks like the hard (but very fun) part is over :grinyes:

Wow, this is one amazing build, love all the scratch built bits, well worth it.
here is a video that you might like, great car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P-sAbVNde4

That´s a cool video, thanks!!

In fact, I am planning to build the Pioneer car as a Pikes Peak car!! :naughty:

Loving the progress! It is a fun model to build up!

Your engine bay looks really nice! As always, am keeping a close eye on the thread!

WRCfan

Excellent work Sam ! :thumbsup:

I just finished detailing the engine bottles:

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I installed the bottles and glued the engine/rear suspension in place.Finally, this one is beginning to look like a racecar!!

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It will be fun to put all those cables in place! :rofl:

Hope you like the update!!

Sam,

I have never seen a WIP of this kit and I cant imagine seeing a better one, fabulous stuff! I bet your enjoying this build.

I'm tuned definately!

Here´s another update!!:)

I finished installing the front suspension, including scratchbuilt front shock absorbers:

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This is how the model looks so far:

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Next, one of my favorite parts...Interior detailing!!! :iceslolan

By the way...I have a couple photos of the interior, but I wonder if you guys have images of the cockpit of this car. :)

Here are some photos of the Camel car.
I hope they help.

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Martin

:eek: Are you kidding me???? Those photos are GORGEOUS!!! Thanks!!

This looks like a rebuilt and updated car, but It has the details I needed to see...Thanks again!!!! :iceslolan

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Sparco Pro 2000 seats ?


Real recent model.:icon16:

Sparco Pro 2000 seats ?


Real recent model.

Yeah, there are 5 or 6 rebuilt/updated cars out there...almost all of them in private collections. I know the most accurate is in the Peugeot museum in France.

I needed to see the on board computer, so those photos hill help me a lot! :iceslolan

wow, great work so far on the enging bay.
i guess CF was not easy job

wow, great work so far on the enging bay.
i guess CF was not easy job

Thanks geronimo77 !!

The Carbon Fiber work was not that hard...I did templates with Tamiya masking tape to make the work easier. It was the first time I used Modeler's carbon fiber decals, and they are just GREAT. I used a hair dryer to speed up the process.

I have a question for you guys! Specially all those vintage rally fans out there...

I know some of this cars don't have a hand brake. Does anyone knows if this particular car have one?? :uhoh:

Fantastic work, Sam! :worshippy

I have a question for you guys! Specially all those vintage rally fans out there...

I know some of this cars don't have a hand brake. Does anyone knows if this particular car have one?? :uhoh:

As far as I know, they don't. Just look at some old footage were they arrive at a hairpin... they definitely don't have a handbrake :p The reason behind it has something to do with diff's that couldn't be unlocked yet at that time. So when you would pull the handbrake the whole car would stop dead in its track, including the engine...

Thanks TvD!!! This makes a lot of sense!

Quick update! :icon16:

I just turned my attention to the interior parts. Some of them had to be rebuilt or updated, like the electronic boxes and fire extinguisher (for this part I used Scale production´s bottle and added the trigger, white harness/support and safety key),

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I started work in the interior wiring...everything looks like a mess right now, but next I will add all the interior parts and connect the wires where they are supposed to end. By the way, I installed the front fans and added a foot support and heat shield.

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Hope you like the progress!! :iceslolan

Definitely! Looks neat and clean!