Help, lights on horn comes on lights off and all stays on???

1997 GSX, when I turn my headlights' my horn strats beeping, and all stays on when I turn my lights off ( tails go off, parking lights go off, just my horn and headlights stay on... not high beam) I checked my fuses they seem fine, I Checked relays for the lights, the big black realay under the hood seems good, when pooled off the box, lights go off, but when back IN lights come on again, with the swith in car still on off position, same with horn, only way to turn all off, is to pull the battery out, pls if got any ideas help me, no alarm in car that i know about, I just rebuld the motor with bigger turbo, cause recently got the car, car was not running. So now I got it to drive, but I got my electrical problem, ooo my windows dont work eather, and fan speed (heat\cool fan knob) does not work... thnaks

Welcome to AF.

You have got to type better sentences. I can barely even understand what the problem is. There is not one period in the whole paragraph you wrote. Now Im not trying to be a grammar prick but when we can't understand your problem then we cant help you. Also a lot of people wont even bother trying to understand what you wrote with sentence structure like that. Please try harder in the future.

a lot of people wont even bother trying to understand what you wrote with sentence structure like that.
Word to that. I got about a line and a half in and said fuck it.

Also, please post in the right subforums.

:screwy: Dudes,

Im not from usa, So my fucken english is as good as it get's, I don't giva a fuck if u help me, fucken kids that got some mitsubishis, and don't know shit about electrical anyways, I need someone to help me with stupid eclipse not my grammar... So eather help or fuck yourself, Oo yea Eclipse=cheap shit, worst beather I ever gotten... Thanks

:screwy: Dudes,

Im not from usa, So my fucken english is as good as it get's, I don't giva a fuck if u help me, fucken kids that got some mitsubishis, and don't know shit about electrical anyways, I need someone to help me with stupid eclipse not my grammar... So eather help or fuck yourself, Oo yea Eclipse=cheap shit, worst beather I ever gotten... Thanks

Just a word of advice - if you want someone to help you... for free... calling them names and getting pissed at them won't help. The guys and girls on this forum are amoung the very best and they help numerous people every day. From the USA or not, we still cannot help you if you cannot describe to us what your problem really is in english. Do you really want help or not? Relax and try again or gtfo.

:screwy: Dudes,

Im not from usa, So my fucken english is as good as it get's, I don't giva a fuck if u help me, fucken kids that got some mitsubishis, and don't know shit about electrical anyways, I need someone to help me with stupid eclipse not my grammar... So eather help or fuck yourself, Oo yea Eclipse=cheap shit, worst beather I ever gotten... Thanks
:thumbsdow

Or you could go fuck YOURSELF...

You jump our shit before most of us even get a chance to post a reply to your question. I don't like that at all... Oh yeah, and I am NOT a "fuckin" kid with a Mitsubishi. I could probably run circles around you all day long with electronics. Get your shit straight and change the attitude or you won't get any help from us at all. :disappoin

I'm an electrical engineer....not trying to blow smoke up my ass but I have been for over 2 years now. Your not gonna get any help talking like that, so what is the problem again?

Does the car have keyless entry? Could be a short in that system.

Does the car have keyless entry? Could be a short in that system.


hey, thanx... not that I know, it had a alarm cause I got remots from it, but not any more, so I cant find any extra boxes from the alarm under the steering wheel, Its weird how it gets power after I turn the lights off(power to the lights), but sometimes the horn goes on after I turn the lights off, and sometimes the horn comes with the lights... hey if got any ideas please help, and is the explaination of my problem that bad??? Thanx again

I'm an electrical engineer....not trying to blow smoke up my ass but I have been for over 2 years now. Your not gonna get any help talking like that, so what is the problem again?

my problem was with the silver something... not all the others, and the 2nd replay, SORRY if anyone got offended... im trying to explain best to my knowlage and thay are just lughffing at my grammar and spelling... sorry english is my extra language, not even 2nd...

:thumbsdow

Or you could go fuck YOURSELF...

You jump our shit before most of us even get a chance to post a reply to your question. I don't like that at all... Oh yeah, and I am NOT a "fuckin" kid with a Mitsubishi. I could probably run circles around you all day long with electronics. Get your shit straight and change the attitude or you won't get any help from us at all. :disappoin

It was to thor and slvreclipse, not to all... And Im Sorry like I said, I dont need help with my spelling or grammar, I need help with my electrical... Thanx. And yes, u could run circles around me with electronics. If it comes to that Im dumb

Just a word of advice - if you want someone to help you... for free... calling them names and getting pissed at them won't help. The guys and girls on this forum are amoung the very best and they help numerous people every day. From the USA or not, we still cannot help you if you cannot describe to us what your problem really is in english. Do you really want help or not? Relax and try again or gtfo.

Thanx for the advice, but it was not to u eather, Sorry if my explanation was bad, but it was the best that I could describe it... so thor and silvereclipse, can suck my dick, cause thay are little kids, thay should ask, if something was not clear to them in my explanation. Im not good with electrical stuff, so I tried to get help here, but the help im getting is with my grammar, I build cars, and im known in europe, for some quick cars, like supras(mkIV), r32s(VW TURBO), but its my first eclipse project, and I guess ill take it to my electrician, cause good help is hard to find in usa... just wondering whats a common problem with gsx's???? except electrical, and I just love how headlights fit in these... lol

Ok, I read Thor and Silvers responses and they were not being that harsh about the grammar. They just made mention to how important it is for proper clear communication of what the problem actually is. I even have a hard time understanding the exact problem here. All I know is your lights start to flash and your horn is beeping when you turn? Or is it they flash and the horn beeps when you turn the lights on? I am confused as to what is actually setting off the factory alarm. Do you have the green security light lit up on the dash when you are in it?

(What is your native language? Maybe somebody here can translate for us so we can have better communication about the problem and solution. Or are you able to read the English pretty well?)

Ok, some wires are definately in the wrong place. I would look at the color of the wires running to the horn and running to the lights. What color are all the different component wires? Could they have gotten switched around during the rebuild?

Ok, I read Thor and Silvers responses and they were not being that harsh about the grammar. They just made mention to how important it is for proper clear communication of what the problem actually is. I even have a hard time understanding the exact problem here. All I know is your lights start to flash and your horn is beeping when you turn? Or is it they flash and the horn beeps when you turn the lights on? I am confused as to what is actually setting off the factory alarm. Do you have the green security light lit up on the dash when you are in it?

(What is your native language? Maybe somebody here can translate for us so we can have better communication about the problem and solution. Or are you able to read the English pretty well?)

To make it clear, when I turn my lights ON, they turn ON normal, but my horn Turns ON with them and just Beeps, Just like u hit the horn and never let go, and only way to stop it all is to pull the braker or battery... Lights don't flash, the horn doesnt take brakes beeping, its constant beep...

Ok, some wires are definately in the wrong place. I would look at the color of the wires running to the horn and running to the lights. What color are all the different component wires? Could they have gotten switched around during the rebuild?

Any way I can find the colors of wires going to horn and to my lights???( where to find them on-line??? ) Its possible that thay are in wrong place, could this happen to my car if im missing ground somewhere??? Thank U:runaround:

To make it clear, when I turn my lights ON, they turn ON normal, but my horn Turns ON with them and just Beeps, Just like u hit the horn and never let go, and only way to stop it all is to pull the braker or battery... Lights don't flash, the horn doesnt take brakes beeping, its constant beep...
Ah, ok now we are getting somewhere...

It sounds like somebody plugged in some relays wrong. Was it all tore apart once before by somebody else? I would get underneath the steering wheel column and follow back the wires from the horn and light switch to see if something is crossed somewhere or if the relays are somehow tapped together. Seems really odd, but it could be possible if somebody didn't know what they were doing.

Ah, ok now we are getting somewhere...

It sounds like somebody plugged in some relays wrong. Was it all tore apart once before by somebody else? I would get underneath the steering wheel column and follow back the wires from the horn and light switch to see if something is crossed somewhere or if the relays are somehow tapped together. Seems really odd, but it could be possible if somebody didn't know what they were doing.

hmmm,
thats what im going to do tommorow, owner befor me was playing with the wires, and than before the engine blow, he installed apexi's AFC neo, so he might sliced something, ill let u know tommorow how I did... And Thanx for the help... ooo yea I got one more question about lowering my gsx, do to it being 4 wheel drive, whats the good hight to drop it??? being my every day car... I got 80k miles on the body, so what other problems do those cars have around that milage???

hmmm,
thats what im going to do tommorow, owner befor me was playing with the wires, and than before the engine blow, he installed apexi's AFC neo, so he might sliced something, ill let u know tommorow how I did... And Thanx for the help... ooo yea I got one more question about lowering my gsx, do to it being 4 wheel drive, whats the good hight to drop it??? being my every day car... I got 80k miles on the body, so what other problems do those cars have around that milage???
It could be possible that when he installed the AFC he crossed some wrong wires somewhere...

I would just lower it about 1.5 inches since it's a daily driver. You may need to adjust the camber then with a camber kit.

How many miles are on the motor and such? That is the major thing I would worry about... 80k on the body, I would just check all the brake components unless you are experiencing problems with other parts.

hmmm,
thats what im going to do tommorow, owner befor me was playing with the wires, and than before the engine blow, he installed apexi's AFC neo, so he might sliced something, ill let u know tommorow how I did... And Thanx for the help... ooo yea I got one more question about lowering my gsx, do to it being 4 wheel drive, whats the good hight to drop it??? being my every day car... I got 80k miles on the body, so what other problems do those cars have around that milage???

There you go, some one could have spliced a wrong wire. Byan, I don't know why the horn would stay on after he cut the switch off:confused: I don't have power windows but how long does the power last to the windows once the ignition is off? For example, In my expedition I will take the key out and I will still have about 15 minutes of power windows. But if open the door right after removing the key from ignition, my windows will lose power.:banghead:

Catch my drift?

how long does the power last to the windows once the ignition is off? For example, In my expedition I will take the key out and I will still have about 15 minutes of power windows. But if open the door right after removing the key from ignition, my windows will lose power.:banghead:

Catch my drift?
I know exactly what you mean. That is the same thing I was thinking. Because I'm assuming the ECU and alarm are tied in together in these cars. All it would take is the crossing or splicing of one wrong wire to have it go crazy with a certain action... I don't understand why the headlights would be the trigger action though... Unless the headlight switch harness passes down through there behind the ECU and through the firewall on the passenger side with everything else that passes through there...

It could be possible that when he installed the AFC he crossed some wrong wires somewhere...

I would just lower it about 1.5 inches since it's a daily driver. You may need to adjust the camber then with a camber kit.

How many miles are on the motor and such? That is the major thing I would worry about... 80k on the body, I would just check all the brake components unless you are experiencing problems with other parts.

The motor I just rebuild, so I have maybe 10 miles on it, I drove it one just to see if everything works, like tranny, new clutch etc. is it only my car that the headlights fit kinda shitty??? big gaps and all???

Any good lowering springs for that are not to pricey??? Its a car that I dont really care about, so I dont want to spend to much money on it, they are cheap cars that look good and I hope will performe oki...

There you go, some one could have spliced a wrong wire. Byan, I don't know why the horn would stay on after he cut the switch off:confused: I don't have power windows but how long does the power last to the windows once the ignition is off? For example, In my expedition I will take the key out and I will still have about 15 minutes of power windows. But if open the door right after removing the key from ignition, my windows will lose power.:banghead:

Catch my drift?

My windows dont get power at all, same with the radio and interior fan control... I know what u mean cause my prelude is same way with the windows, And all I can say about honda....NEVER supercharged it, it just sucks... For 3k JR supercharger is not worth it, and after a while u get problems with the pullays... sorry to go off the subject, but im pissed at JR products...

I know exactly what you mean. That is the same thing I was thinking. Because I'm assuming the ECU and alarm are tied in together in these cars. All it would take is the crossing or splicing of one wrong wire to have it go crazy with a certain action... I don't understand why the headlights would be the trigger action though... Unless the headlight switch harness passes down through there behind the ECU and through the firewall on the passenger side with everything else that passes through there...

Hmm I have no idea, Ill be checking all the wires, and hope to find it, if not ill just rewire the lights, not a good idea but easy way out of my problem...:confused:

Thank you.

The motor I just rebuild, so I have maybe 10 miles on it, I drove it one just to see if everything works, like tranny, new clutch etc. is it only my car that the headlights fit kinda shitty??? big gaps and all???

Any good lowering springs for that are not to pricey??? Its a car that I dont really care about, so I dont want to spend to much money on it, they are cheap cars that look good and I hope will performe oki...
My headlights don't have any large gaps or anything and they are even aftermarket ones that don't usually fit well. But mine are ok... If your just rebuilt the motor then I don't think there is anything you should have to worry about for a while. Just keep an eye on the normal things. Timing belt tension/hydraulic tensioner, clutch slave and master cylinders, etc...

Eibach makes some really nice lowering springs for these cars. I think they are around $200 dollars new and lower it between 1.5 inches and 2 inches... Give or take a little bit in that price depending where you buy them at. If you want cheaper then look into Megan Racing springs. They will run you almost half of what the Eibachs would. Of course I don't know how well their quality is. I've never used any Megan parts before... Also I think the Megan springs lower it 2 inches.

My headlights don't have any large gaps or anything and they are even aftermarket ones that don't usually fit well. But mine are ok... If your just rebuilt the motor then I don't think there is anything you should have to worry about for a while. Just keep an eye on the normal things. Timing belt tension/hydraulic tensioner, clutch slave and master cylinders, etc...

Eibach makes some really nice lowering springs for these cars. I think they are around $200 dollars new and lower it between 1.5 inches and 2 inches... Give or take a little bit in that price depending where you buy them at. If you want cheaper then look into Megan Racing springs. They will run you almost half of what the Eibachs would. Of course I don't know how well their quality is. I've never used any Megan parts before... Also I think the Megan springs lower it 2 inches.


DSMtuners, got these Megan Springs, and they are like 100, like u said, Im cheap but not that cheap, lol, Ill try and see if they are good,

Which bov blows out air in sequances, not just one puff, I got the HKS super sequential=not it I got greddy rs, and r, not it, not on gsx but I know how those sound, and its only one long puff, O and how do I get my bov blow into atmosphere, without jerking after gear changes, or do I have to keep it circulated???

DSMtuners, got these Megan Springs, and they are like 100, like u said, Im cheap but not that cheap, lol, Ill try and see if they are good,

Which bov blows out air in sequances, not just one puff, I got the HKS super sequential=not it I got greddy rs, and r, not it, not on gsx but I know how those sound, and its only one long puff, O and how do I get my bov blow into atmosphere, without jerking after gear changes, or do I have to keep it circulated???
The HKS Super sequential BOV is the one that does it in puffs too. It depends how you let off the throttle. If you let off fast then it is one puff. If you let off slowly, then it does several puffs... If you run a blow through MAF setup then you can properly vent to atmosphere. If not, then I guess it is better to recirculate it.

I'm being a total noob here, but what is the difference with open and recirculation at the BOV? My buddy got the HKS Super SQV (Super Sequential Blow Off Valve.) It only lets out one burst, either slow or fast, depending on letting off the gas. It never puffs more than once at a time, what does this mean?

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I'm being a total noob here, but what is the difference with open and recirculation at the BOV? My buddy got the HKS Super SQV (Super Sequential Blow Off Valve.) It only lets out one burst, either slow or fast, depending on letting off the gas. It never puffs more than once at a time, what does this mean?
Instead of blowing all the air into the atmosphere, recirculation recirculates it back into the intake after the MAF, because the stock MAF compensates for that air being there. If the air isn't there then you are essentially running too rich during those times... Even though it is just for a split second, some people think its not good to do that and say it can cause idling problems. I did that on my 7 bolt before it crankwalked and had no problems, but probably did run a hair rich... Oh well.

I'm being a total noob here, but what is the difference with open and recirculation at the BOV? My buddy got the HKS Super SQV (Super Sequential Blow Off Valve.) It only lets out one burst, either slow or fast, depending on letting off the gas. It never puffs more than once at a time, what does this mean?

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I quess if it only goes once, thats good cause there is no surge from the turbo, but i like how it sounds when it goes couple of times...:lol2:

So is that little blue line the recirculation?

Instead of blowing all the air into the atmosphere, recirculation recirculates it back into the intake after the MAF, because the stock MAF compensates for that air being there. If the air isn't there then you are essentially running too rich during those times... Even though it is just for a split second, some people think its not good to do that and say it can cause idling problems. I did that on my 7 bolt before it crankwalked and had no problems, but probably did run a hair rich... Oh well.

hey,

I found what was wrong with my electrical, after taking almost whole car apart, i found that one of the wires coming from my alternator to my electrical box under the hood, was not giving power... so I had no power going to the interior( i had like 8v only going to my windows, power seat, etc.)
So I ran nwe wire from alternator to the box and now everything is just fine i so happy...

hey,

I found what was wrong with my electrical, after taking almost whole car apart, i found that one of the wires coming from my alternator to my electrical box under the hood, was not giving power... so I had no power going to the interior( i had like 8v only going to my windows, power seat, etc.)
So I ran nwe wire from alternator to the box and now everything is just fine i so happy...

That is good to hear, glad you electric components are back in shape.

So is that little blue line the recirculation?
No, that is just a vacuum line...



hey,

I found what was wrong with my electrical, after taking almost whole car apart, i found that one of the wires coming from my alternator to my electrical box under the hood, was not giving power... so I had no power going to the interior( i had like 8v only going to my windows, power seat, etc.)
So I ran nwe wire from alternator to the box and now everything is just fine i so happy...
Well that is good to hear. Of course why would that have caused the horn to beep when you turned on the headlights before? Does it still do that?

Well that is good to hear. Of course why would that have caused the horn to beep when you turned on the headlights before? Does it still do that?

Yeah, insuficient power would nt cause those problems.

No, that is just a vacuum line...




Well that is good to hear. Of course why would that have caused the horn to beep when you turned on the headlights before? Does it still do that?

I guess I had a bad surge of power, so funny stuff was happening, when I gave ground to my interior fuse, my lights would turn on 2, But now everything is back to normal, no problem with my electrical, now I think my timing is off, i can't pass 5000 rpm, I have to tune it or something...


I got to run oki, so im installing a boost controler, on a build head, stock bottom, and 16 G turbo what is the highest Boost that I can run it, without blowing my engine???? can it handle 18psi at least???