I'm going to lease either CL-S or MAXIMA 6pd.

but i don't know which one i should get.

which car is more reliable?

which car is more fun to drive?
(i'm a fan of manual shift but also I can live without it)

which car do you prefer?

which car is cheaper to lease?

it's really hard to decide which one i should get..

is MAXIMA 6sp worth to wait than CL-S????

How about Mercedes C-CLASS sport COUPE??

Just based on what I am hearing from people who already have them, I would stay away from the CL-S and get the Max. Reason being is that I am hearing people say that the transmission is suffering from some problem with the manumatic(simulation manual) shifter. As such, the transmission starts to suffer. The Max, as of what I am aware of, is much better to buy out of the two you have chosen.

I would stay out of Maxima as well. This model is nice but not great. I would wait for the completely re-design model that's due out in 2003.

If your just gonna lease a car get the Acura CL type-S but if your gonna buy a car get the maxima . I love my CLS and everytime i get into the leather bucket seats it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside . Just get the CLS and if you do have any probs its covered under a 3yr 50k mile warranty and I think by then your lease should be up :)

I think the Maxima is a more reliable car. The CL is probably more fun. I think they are pretty comparable in terms of luxury features and you can now get navigation on both. I've been hearing some bad stuff too about the CL's transmission. Honestly, you probably can't go wrong with either.

I would steer clear or the Maxima. They are too expensive for what you pay for. I think they ride like crap to. They look good on paper but I've just seen to many people that have them that really ended up regreting buying them.

I am a Honda Civic owner and a Honda fan, regardless I would go with a Honda or Acura product over just about anything but a Lexus. Besides you can get a new CL or TL that comes loaded for just about the same price.

If you do buy the Acura avoid getting one with the Nav system. Its good but will make you wat to punch it out sometimes. Save 2 grand and go and buy a 2 dollar road atlas.

Just my .02

Originally posted by LiuBei
I would steer clear or the Maxima. They are too expensive for what you pay for. I think they ride like crap to. They look good on paper but I've just seen to many people that have them that really ended up regreting buying them.

I am a Honda Civic owner and a Honda fan, regardless I would go with a Honda or Acura product over just about anything but a Lexus. Besides you can get a new CL or TL that comes loaded for just about the same price.

If you do buy the Acura avoid getting one with the Nav system. Its good but will make you wat to punch it out sometimes. Save 2 grand and go and buy a 2 dollar road atlas.

Just my .02 I'd like to see your list of unsatisfied Maxima owners. I personally think you're full of crap. Do you know anything about Navigation systems? Is that why you only use a road atlas?

first I've been lurking here for awhile because I was in the middle of purchasing a 2k2max,but I was considering the cl-s. A buddy of mine owns the cl-s and had the transmission problem you all are speaking of. His car was in the shop for 37 days before it got repaired. He was a very big fan of the acura until this problem and the car is very sweet. however, he will never buy another honda product again because of the tranny issue.


My maxima is a 2k2 SE I love it. I came from a very wimpy 99 passat(easy to tweek). My belief right now is to stay with nissan products and maybe buy my wife a SE-R when she is out of her lease.

My opinion go with the max save yourself two grand and the headaches even when loaded up with the nav system over the CL-S.

Originally posted by maxima2k2
first I've been lurking here for awhile because I was in the middle of purchasing a 2k2max,but I was considering the cl-s. A buddy of mine owns the cl-s and had the transmission problem you all are speaking of. His car was in the shop for 37 days before it got repaired. He was a very big fan of the acura until this problem and the car is very sweet. however, he will never buy another honda product again because of the tranny issue.


My maxima is a 2k2 SE I love it. I came from a very wimpy 99 passat(easy to tweek). My belief right now is to stay with nissan products and maybe buy my wife a SE-R when she is out of her lease.

My opinion go with the max save yourself two grand and the headaches even when loaded up with the nav system over the CL-S. :wave: Go with the Max over the CL-S.

The Max even with 255hp can't stay with the auto CL-S in a straight and not even close in a corner. The Acuras reliablity is second to NON and there value is the best out there. If you put an auto in the Max it can't stay with the premuims 225hp.

PLUS.............






The CL type S is coming with a 6 speed manual in 2003 just got the fax from Acura. I'll get one as soon as I call all the people that have been waiting for one, so I can sell them an awesome car.

Originally posted by 89lxihb 00lude
The Max even with 255hp can't stay with the auto CL-S in a straight and not even close in a corner. The Acuras reliablity is second to NON and there value is the best out there. If you put an auto in the Max it can't stay with the premuims 225hp.

PLUS.............






The CL type S is coming with a 6 speed manual in 2003 just got the fax from Acura. I'll get one as soon as I call all the people that have been waiting for one, so I can sell them an awesome car. :rolleyes: :hehehe:

Are you laughing at my post or are you crying because you bought a P.O.S.

Why don't you do a little research the max's resale is bad and Nissan as a brand is horrible.

Originally posted by 89lxihb 00lude
Are you laughing at my post or are you crying because you bought a P.O.S.

Why don't you do a little research the max's resale is bad and Nissan as a brand is horrible. I've beat many Acura TL and CL's....I have no problems what so ever on my Max. My next door neighbor just bought a brand new CL 3 months ago and its been at the Acura dealer for more than a month because of the transmission. Now, lets see, a brand new car with less than 1,000 miles on it and it needs a new transmission...:rolleyes: . I'm sorry to say but I'm laughing at you for saying something stupid like that when you have never owned a Maxima.:)

I haven't owned one because there have bad resale and they are over priced junk. Those were not the Type S. The I35 is the same car 1/4 time is 15.3sec the standard TL w/ 225hp runs a 15.1 sec 1/4. The Type S TL runs a 14.7sec 1/4 w/ a 5 automatic. If your Max is a 2000 it's got the 222hp right? I have walked away from them with my Prelude.

Originally posted by 89lxihb 00lude
I haven't owned one because there have bad resale and they are over priced junk. Those were not the Type S. The I35 is the same car 1/4 time is 15.3sec the standard TL w/ 225hp runs a 15.1 sec 1/4. The Type S TL runs a 14.7sec 1/4 w/ a 5 automatic. If your Max is a 2000 it's got the 222hp right? I have walked away from them with my Prelude. My car is not stock like yours

I can see that. If whats in your signature is all you have, then the dynamat alone would cancel out the performance gains. Plus you and I know that the rest of the stereo stuff is not exactly light. You do have one advantage you can put people in the back without they're feet behind there head like in my Prelude. :hehehe:

Originally posted by 89lxihb 00lude
I can see that. If whats in your signature is all you have, then the dynamat alone would cancel out the performance gains. Plus you and I know that the rest of the stereo stuff is not exactly light. You do have one advantage you can put people in the back without they're feet behind there head like in my Prelude. :hehehe: :apoke:

If I had a choice between the Acura CL-S, Maxima or the TL-S I would get or lease the TL-S instead.:cool:

Originally posted by 89lxihb 00lude
Are you laughing at my post or are you crying because you bought a P.O.S.

Why don't you do a little research the max's resale is bad and Nissan as a brand is horrible.

i am LAUGHING at your post. you are an idiot for making us Honda folks look bad...Nissan Maxima all the way; BTW, the Maxima is $5K less than the Type S - thank you, & please drive thru.

Skyline - Honda has nothing in comparison - NSX? don't even try
Sylvia/240SX - Integra/Prelude lose just by being FWD
Sentra - Civic not even same class, please, please
Altima - Accord never had a chance, & won't. Honda won't beef up motors to match
Pathfinder - Isuzu Rodeo, i mean Honda Passport whatever.

i bought the Accord cuz i listened to my Bro & a friend who was a salesman, shoulda listened to my own instincts

TL-S is a performance luxury sedan the ture comparison would be the I35 and that has no chance. If the Maxima is such a great car why are they not selling. The TL is selling like crazy the highest selling luxury mid size car.

As for the Skyline.Look at the Sport compact car or Road & Track they tested both and they rated the NSX a better car.

The Silva/240sx sucks, the Prelude is a far better handling car, shoot the Accord sedan handles better than that POS.

Sentra don't make me laugh the only sentra that is worth anything is the old SE-R. I don't care that much for the Civics neither but the Si is better in every way.

The Altima just has a big motor and thats it. I've driven the 3.5L yeah it's fast but fast doesn't mean anything if the chassis can't handle a corner.

As for the Passport it's not a Honda. The new (I think they're going to can it the PILOT) will easily out match the Pathfinder.

Nissan motors will never compete with Hondas. Nissans motors have to sacrafice either highend or lowend to make all there power. Honda motors don't lose anything anywhere, they're quieter, give better acceration, better durability and better gas milage in a smaller displacement. Anyone can make power out of a turbo.

10 BEST BRAND SCOREBOARD OVER 20 YEARS

BRAND AND NUMBER OF 10 BEST WINS

1. HONDA - 36
2. FORD - 19
3. BMW - 18
4. (TIE) MAZDA-NISSAN - 14
6. AUDI - 13
7. (TIE) ACURA-CHEVROLET-CHRYSLER - 10
10. TOYOTA - 8

CAR and DRIVER

oh well, opinions are like assholes - they're necessary.

:right: :hehe:

Originally posted by 89lxihb 00lude
TL-S is a performance luxury sedan the ture comparison would be the I35 and that has no chance. If the Maxima is such a great car why are they not selling. The TL is selling like crazy the highest selling luxury mid size car.

As for the Skyline.Look at the Sport compact car or Road & Track they tested both and they rated the NSX a better car.

The Silva/240sx sucks, the Prelude is a far better handling car, shoot the Accord sedan handles better than that POS.

Sentra don't make me laugh the only sentra that is worth anything is the old SE-R. I don't care that much for the Civics neither but the Si is better in every way.

The Altima just has a big motor and thats it. I've driven the 3.5L yeah it's fast but fast doesn't mean anything if the chassis can't handle a corner.

As for the Passport it's not a Honda. The new (I think they're going to can it the PILOT) will easily out match the Pathfinder.

Nissan motors will never compete with Hondas. Nissans motors have to sacrafice either highend or lowend to make all there power. Honda motors don't lose anything anywhere, they're quieter, give better acceration, better durability and better gas milage in a smaller displacement. Anyone can make power out of a turbo. Can't we all get along?:cool:

when this is all over, ya we can get along...but i always liked Nissan better than anything else; 2nd to Pontiac. my bro is into Honda since '86, not my fault

Originally posted by VTECseoul
when this is all over, ya we can get along...but i always liked Nissan better than anything else; 2nd to Pontiac. my bro is into Honda since '86, not my fault I love my Nissan and my 95 Integra also gets love too:D

Maximas are better then any acura /honda crap,.

Maximas are faster than preludes too.

The Maxima has the best v-6 engine in the world

and no doubt best engine overall .......

:rolleyes:

Maxiamas are not faster than preludes. Also the motor that got motor of the year was the old 3.0L not any of the new ones. Honda has those honors, but thanks for trying.

Im not trying, I know, since 95 Maxima has gotten

awards for having one of the best v-6's in the world.

I dont have to try, Ive owned hondas and toyotas,

and they are crap compared to a Maxima. I guess

Id really be upset to if I owned a Honda and new that

the Maxima was much better, more luxurious and faster.

Nissan's VQ35 motor is now on the list, along with it's older brother VG30 & VK30 & VE30

Originally posted by 89lxihb 00lude
Maxiamas are not faster than preludes. Also the motor that got motor of the year was the old 3.0L not any of the new ones. Honda has those honors, but thanks for trying. Try again...
the new 3.5 liter is a stroked version of the 3.0 liter. The 3.5 liter engine is also ranked one of the best V6's in the world.:D

We'll see how the new CL Type S 6 speed blows the doors off your beloved Maxima. If Honda builds crap why do the magazines still rank the Accord better than the new 3.5L Altima. Even with the bigger engine.

Just because Car and Driver rates it better dont mean its so.

guess well wiat and see which one is faster.

Originally posted by 89lxihb 00lude
We'll see how the new CL Type S 6 speed blows the doors off your beloved Maxima. If Honda builds crap why do the magazines still rank the Accord better than the new 3.5L Altima. Even with the bigger engine. I've never said Honda/Acura was a piece of crap. Before my Maxima I had a 95 Integra SE. Best damn car I've ever owned. Handled great, loved the sound of the motor past 4K RPM, and not one problem! I didn't want to get rid of it but I just outgrew the car. It was too small for what I carry around. So I had to move up to a bigger car. The 2K TL I tested and hated it. It didn't handle as well as the Maxima and wasn't fast enough so I went with the Max....who knows my next car might be a TL or CL Type-S 6-speed;)

i personally think the cl is nicer. even more nice when lowered
maxima is a 4 door. i think its heavier than the cl as well
if you want a 4 door go for the maxima. you wont be able to find much aftermarkets, same with the cl.
but if you want a 4 door. go for a tl. a lot of aftermarket accesories for tls

Not sure what the Maxima weighs but the CL Type S is a little over 3500lbs curb weight. It's very heavy because it's a luxury sports couple like the CLK. They never will but I think i would be a scorcher if they made a light weight model like they do on the BMW.

Originally posted by 89lxihb 00lude
Not sure what the Maxima weighs but the CL Type S is a little over 3500lbs curb weight. It's very heavy because it's a luxury sports couple like the CLK. They never will but I think i would be a scorcher if they made a light weight model like they do on the BMW. You're CL/TL cars weigh about 200lbs more than the Maxima. The Maxima weighs 3320lbs.

Originally posted by border_project
if you want a 4 door go for the maxima. you wont be able to find much aftermarkets, same with the cl.
but if you want a 4 door. go for a tl. a lot of aftermarket accesories for tls

think again, do some more research on Maximas & you'll find that they have as much aftermarket as the Civic...the TL is not exactly a car everybody owns & dresses up, not even a Legend or Vigor; much less the CL.

That because you can buy a used Max for half the price of a new one. The Acura stay close to the original price. Plus most of teh people who buy Acuras are older people that are young at heart.

I hate to inform you, but the Maxima has a great resale value

too. I dont know where you guys are comming up that a Maxima

dosent have good resale, but your WRONG. :rolleyes:

I sell cars I see them everyday and I'm not wrong.

I see Maximas everyday, check prices on them everyday

they dont have bad resale value, just because you like Hondas

better, you trying to find some way to put the Maxima down.

Originally posted by joeB
I see Maximas everyday, check prices on them everyday

they dont have bad resale value, just because you like Hondas

better, you trying to find some way to put the Maxima down. Can't we get along?:argue:

Originally posted by joeB
Just because Car and Driver rates it better dont mean its so.

guess well wiat and see which one is faster.

WRONG!! Family car aren't based on which is faster but rather which is the complete player.

the 2k2 auto max is running 14.5s stock (one guy got 14.4s) and from what iv'e read on CL forums, the CLType-S has been running 14.7s--they are both great cars but i'd say the max is a tad faster--as for the Altima, it was rated Car of the Year by MT, i'd say this is a little higher than the accord was ranked but it means nothing to me, magazines print what sells, period, anyone who relies on a magazine for ratings or times obviously isn't a car enthusiest--BTW does anyone know what the CL-S has dynoed at, the auto max is about 200 stock--maxima all the way but different strokes for different folks

Accord has been voted 15 times into Car and Driver Car of the Year now that's consistency.

You do know MT is the worst car magazine out there. What is that THUNDERBIRD doing up there on car of the year poll.

re-read my post--good for the accord, it's a great car for the $$, i'm just saying magazines MT, Car & Driver, SCC, whatever, they're all worthless when it comes to testing and ranking cars if you're a car enthusiest--oh, and thanks for the prime example (the THUNDERBIRD) as to why any and all magazines views should be taken with a grain of salt (or less), the thunderbird, ha ha ha

oh and

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?threadid=94166

that car is modified. Of coarse it's going to be fast and thats the 6 speed not the auto. The auto won't be any faster than 15's. The Type-S run 14.7's with a auto and teh 6 speed will be here in a few weeks. Then we'll see who's the big dog.

Im not wrong, but still the Maxima will still be the better
car.:wave:

Originally posted by F20C
Accord has been voted 15 times into Car and Driver Car of the Year now that's consistency.

You do know MT is the worst car magazine out there. What is that THUNDERBIRD doing up there on car of the year poll.




The Accord has been for Car and Driver, so for you,

car and driver is good cause it prizes on your car, but then

Motor Trend is bad cause they gave the Maxima Car of the

Year in 95, all the many magazines, and even motor week

say the the Maxima has the best V-6 in the world.:rolleyes:

yes it was a 6 sp. and yes it was the guy's first time at the track but he only had an intake (dmbmaxima88, not the guy that started the thread, scroll down a bit and check his sig)--i totally agree that when comparing the max and the cl-s we should use the max auto, but 15s, please, where did you READ that, appearently you chose not to read the consistent UNMODDED AUTO 2k2 maxes getting 14.5 and one guy got 14.44 with just a filter (no intake), all having timeslips to prove--if you don't believe me go to 5th Gen at http://forums.maxima.org/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=10 or for Honda's take on it even at:
http://forums.clubsi.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/014985.html


quit quoting magazines, i never said anything about being the "big dog"--the cl-s is a bigger dog in several aspects and the max is in others, quarter mile track times is one where the max is a wee better, no big deal, just quit lying about it

if you still think the 2k2 AUTO Maxima does 15s, then i dub you as a magazine racer and not a car enthusiest--sorry this is so long, i just can't stand when people lie or quote a magazine time--both are excellent cars for the $$$ stop the flames

The 6spd guy has RSTB I would assume that is a Throtle Body. A free flow cat isn't anything to sneeze at also. As for the autos who knows what that other guy on the time slip had under the hood. Your stock right? Have you run yours lets see a slip. Not trying to be a jerk it's just that I've driven the car and it's not that fast. I sell Acuras and the Type-S fells alot faster. I also haven't seen any slips on the Type-S'.

Originally posted by joeB
Im not wrong, but still the Maxima will still be the better
car.:wave:

List out all the points stating why Maxima is better. I would like to see why Maxima is better in your mind.

Originally posted by joeB


The Accord has been for Car and Driver, so for you,

car and driver is good cause it prizes on your car, but then

Motor Trend is bad cause they gave the Maxima Car of the

Year in 95, all the many magazines, and even motor week

say the the Maxima has the best V-6 in the world.:rolleyes:

You are trying to take my quote out of context. mattattax was talking about magazine poll voting Maxima for car of the year. I was merely stating the fact Accord has been a consistent car of the year contestant. I don't even drive an Accord why would I care? I just got tired of all these BS flying in this thread. I think you were trying to say Ward Magazine that said VQ30 was the best V6.

Side note compare the magazine and you will find Car and Driver is more performance based than Motor Trend.

MT and car and driver are both lame mags that know little about cars and a lot about BUSINESS, they print what sells, sometimes truth, usually BUSINESS--i haven't seen any cl-s timeslips either, i just read what the general concensus at cl forums is and it seems 14.6-14.8 is about average for stock (and when they say their stock i trust 'em) and i do the same for maximas--i definitly don't think you're a jerk for asking for one of my timeslips but i haven't gotten to the track yet, i am planning on going in a few weeks with 2 other 2k2 maxima autos, by then i'll have a vb mod, frankencar stage 3 intake, and maybe a tc, but soundmike (one of the ones going) is bone stock and we will be sure to post slips of all the runnings--feels faster and is faster are 2 different things, i look at average timeslips reported on forums for the stock cars not what a magazine says--the 14.44 auto max had only a filter but also had a full trunk with tools and a half tank of gas
this thread is NOT full of BS, i believe it's very informing--do you really want me to list points why the maxima is better? niether is better, each has its better points, all i'm trying to say is that the max is a little faster in the 1/4, and obviously doesn't run 15s, who knows maybe the cl-s would win in a 1/2 mile race--

if someone asks me which one is better, i ask them a few questions about what's important to them, speed, looks, comfort, warranty, how the tranny shifts, ect anyone who sells cars should know this--for my interests and taste the maxima is better, for someone else the cl-s may blow the max outta the water, it's a matter of opinion
i really do wanna see a cl-s dyno though
peace,
matt

They print what sells but more performance oriented than lame MT.

If you read from the start of this thread till the end you will find a lot of BS from various person.

LETS STOP ALL THIS BICKERING!!!!!!! JEEZ, ITS UP TO WHAT CAR YOU LIKE, MOST PEOPLE ARE BIASED HONDA VS. NISSAN, BUT ITS REALLY YOUR CHOICE AND WHAT YOU LIKE. MOST OF THE GUYS AT MY FIRM DRIVE CL'S AND BENZ'S , YES THE CL CAN SIT RIGHT NET TO THE BIG BOYS WITHOUT A SECOND THOUGHT.

Now as for the Automatic 2k2 maxima's doing 15's stock... , My wife has a 2k2 Maxima, and I have a 2k1 CL type S... Granted 0-60 I feel ALOT faster, the Maxima is in fact faster than my car, whoopdeedoo! I feel more comfortable in my CL in the curves and around town.
I've taken both cars to the local track,
and YES THE MAXIMA IS FASTER.

14.698 - 14.72 constant times with the Mad Max STOCK (2300 MILES)
14.859 - 14.75 constant times with the CL type S, (11,000 miles) I think the Navi is slowing me down, and YES , the wife has a Navi also.

about 3510 lbs for my CL-S and 3275 lbs for the Maxima GLE.
Now in the corners I'll see the Maxima go DOWN IN A BURST OF FLAMES! :devil:

My point:
Drive what you Love, Not what others love or wish they HAD.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by F20C


List out all the points stating why Maxima is better. I would like to see why Maxima is better in your mind. [/QUOTE



I agree with you that Car&Driver is the better magazine, ( I
have stacks of them since 1988). I dont think its that much
better than Motor Trend. If you want to know why I think the
Maxima is better here are some- 7 years best V-6 in a row,
more room, better looks. I think the Maxima is faster too.
My point Im trying to make is in 95 when the VQ came out,
there where just about no other car class and price range that
could touch it, luxury or performance. But now today there is...
My other reason why I think that its "probably" better is I have
a 98 Maxima SE that has 181,000 miles, and Ive only had to put
tires and brakes front and back one time. (Its probably about due
for new ones soon),. Also a tuneup at 110,000, oil changes ect...
and it still run like it was new. Those are my opionions why I
think its better, and that still doesnt make it so, thats just my
opinion, everyone each to their own. But lets all be honest here,
the Max is faster as of now, but I do think when the Acura gets its
6-speed it will be faster. Honda would be my next pick, but I like
Nissan better for overall quality and performace...Sorry for this being
so long guys, and dont let it get to you so much what people say in here.:)

OK The Max is faster thanks type-S for post what they run stock. I didn't realize they where so light. The navi cls is 3525lbs and the max is 3275lbs in gle trim.

One question though. Did you leave it in D5 or put it in man mode.

Just for the record I haven't alway hated Nissan and that might change whenb the Z comes out. Unless Honda makes something better. :D

Originally posted by joeB
I agree with you that Car&Driver is the better magazine, ( I
have stacks of them since 1988). I dont think its that much
better than Motor Trend. If you want to know why I think the
Maxima is better here are some- 7 years best V-6 in a row,
more room, better looks. I think the Maxima is faster too.
My point Im trying to make is in 95 when the VQ came out,
there where just about no other car class and price range that
could touch it, luxury or performance. But now today there is...
My other reason why I think that its "probably" better is I have
a 98 Maxima SE that has 181,000 miles, and Ive only had to put
tires and brakes front and back one time. (Its probably about due
for new ones soon),. Also a tuneup at 110,000, oil changes ect...
and it still run like it was new. Those are my opionions why I
think its better, and that still doesnt make it so, thats just my
opinion, everyone each to their own. But lets all be honest here,
the Max is faster as of now, but I do think when the Acura gets its
6-speed it will be faster. Honda would be my next pick, but I like
Nissan better for overall quality and performace...Sorry for this being
so long guys, and dont let it get to you so much what people say in here.:)

Opinions are never right nor wrong. I can better understand why you think Maxima is the better car now that I see your reasonings.

i'm guessing here but i think the cl-s and tl-s are going to have a lot more aftermarket parts than the maxima, simply b/c it's an acura/honda so anyone who is planning on fully modding their car may want to take that into consideration also, don't get me wrong though, the max has more aftermarket than a lot of people realize, you just really have to look for them

CL and TL doesn't have the usual Honda Aftermarket support.

Originally posted by F20C
CL and TL doesn't have the usual Honda Aftermarket support. Nissan/Stillen Acura/Comptech. I know what you mean. :cry:

comptech is developing a supercharger for the type-S and will be available by teh time the 03 comes out. I'm pretty sure that stillen makes one for the Max.

Yes I know Comptech has SC coming out since they show the prototype at SEMA. However think about this CL Type S already has 260 hp powering the Front Wheels. Torque steer is going to be a major problem unless Acura shifts to RWD.

The current car has 260 and there is no torque steer what so ever. Thats one of the advantages for double wishbone suspension. I don't think the sc will make a differance in that traction on the other hand will be a different story. BTW the 6 spd will have a limited slip diff.

If you pay close attention you can feel some torque steer on CL Type S. However I don't think Double wishbone will be enough to save a 350 hp FWD car. 350 hp is just a estimation of what the SC should put out on Type S.

89lxihb 00lude i can't belive you said that a prelude handles better then a silvia. if you haven't noticed we're talkin about the j spec turbo charge SR20DET powered silvia. those will blow any prelude away. they run 0-60 in the upper 5's and they are RWD drift machines. now for the NSX being better then the Skyline? i don't know what yoru seeing but every issue that i've seen, and every bestmotoring international that i've seen (best japanese auto video magazine out) i've seen the skyline keep up neck to neck with a 420 hp porsche 996 all wheel drive. the time difference between them at the race was only.15 seconds difference. the evo 7 would be right behind the GT-R, and guess what? the NSX was around 2 second behind. i wonder why? maybe its csue its a overpriced car? its 90gs. and the GT-R is 50G's in japan. yes i do admit that the NSX is faster on the straights, but try puttin allt hat power to the ground with a MR compared to a 4WD car. its totally different. and in the other best motoring international that i saw, where it was all the european super cars, vs. japan. there was the ferrari F50, F40, F355, lambourgini diablo SV, porches GT3, GT2, and guess what car they picked to represent japan? it sure as hell wasn't a NSX it was a GT-R v spec I. well it didnt do too well, but it almost beat the F355. and if it was a V-spec II (that wans' out at the tiem the video was released) then it would've definitly beaten the F355. and don't you notice in japan who drives hondas? mostly old ladies or office workers. who drives nissans? hardcore highway battlers, and drifters. nuff said, the japanese knows whats fast and whats not, and nissan is the shit in japan.

taz I'm not talking power, that has nothing to do with handling. Drifting is not the fastest way around a corner. It's needed for cars that can't take the corner at speed w/o understeering. So you swing the tail out and use the throtle to get you around. That's why you don't see drifting in competion, it just looks cool thats it. As for the NSX being over priced. Have you ever seen one in person it's an exotic. To it's handmade aluminum chassis and body to the hand sewn leather seats. The skyline doesn't compare in handling neither. If you ever watch the JGTC the skylines don't say in the corners they just have a huge advanage in power. The MR design is perfect balance AWD is just a crutch for poorly balanced car, unless like in rallies tracion is limited. Don't get me wrong I like the GTR for what it is a road eating BEAST!! :devil: But I tend to like finese over brute power. BTW the R32 is the best looking GTR, not counting the new concept that really looks hot!

TATII if you driven NSX you will know why it's better than Skyline.

Same goes for the Maxima, if you drive one, you will

know its better than a Honda Accord, Toyota Camry,

Avalon, and Acura CL and the Type S. , people just

may not want to admit it...........:cry: :wave:

joe I would hope its better than teh accord it's 28K accords only 24k. Even if it is faster than the tl or cl it's doesn't hold up in EVERYTHING else.

89lxihb 00lude yes i have seen a NSX up close, my friend owns a 95 Type T. and its been sooo perfectly maintained and even the side intakes are dust free. it was abosulely gorgious. but if i feel that way about a NSX is person, what makes you think that i won't feel even more excited if i were to ever see a GT-R in person. plus that reason why the GT-R is not all that great in the JTTC is becasue its made into a RWD, due to restictions. in my opinion, even though i don't think that i will ever get a chance of drivin either a GT-R or a NSX, i think the GT-R would be the ultimate street car from the land of the rising sun.

I thought the skylines in the Japanese Gran Touring Chapionship were still AWD. The skyline may be better on the street because of the torque and tracion, but the NSX on the race track would be untouchable. The NSX when not driving at 100% is as drivable as a honda accord, where the GTR would still feel like a monster.

Could you tell me where the Maxima doesnt hold up?

:rolleyes:

handling even though lighter
luxury cheap leather
resale
quality

NSX is known as Japanese Ferrari. People know NSX as the fastest sportscar to come from Japan.

Originally posted by 89lxihb 00lude
handling even though lighter
luxury cheap leather
resale
quality

You have no Idea what your talking about when it

comes to talking about Maximas, why dont you do

more research before talking about cars.

Handling for a 4 door is very good

there isnt any Cheap leather,

and there is just as good resale if not better.

:rolleyes:

I sell cars bud I see people in maximas all the time.

okay now F20c. the NSX is known as a japanese ferrari becusae it is like a ferrari. but only that its made in japan. its a exotic car, with its MR lay out and its slow CG. however, the GT-R is beleived by many the fastest and most advance car to ever come out of japan. why do you think its got the nick name of "godzilla"? and what about all those legendary stories about its invinciblilty? i've never heard of any legends behind the NSX. plus you should really go watch some BESTMOTORING international videos. they race the top JDM's against the fastest cars in the world. stock for stock. they are all retired or is still pro drivers. in fact keichi the drift king is drivin for them, and he drives the Arta NSX in the JTTC. if you noticed that in every since video of a race. the NSX never beats the skyline. in fact its usualy a 1.5 behind or maybe alittle more. the only time we're i have seen the NSX beat the GT-R in that video was the episode where they were against a F355, and the F550. and that was in SUZUKA. during scorchin hot weather. from every episdoe that i see. the top cars in japan is the GT-R, the EVO and the NSX type S zero. but guess what? the NSX is usually pretty damn far behind the 4WD powerhouses. its usually the EVO or the GT-R thats fighting for 1st, 2nd or 3rd. the average rank that the NSX always ranks in that video mag is 4thish 5thish. now does that mean its the fastest car to come out of japan? noooo but that does still make it a japanese exotic? yes. and trust me, a GT-R will beat a F355 at the track. and i've seen it beat a F360 but a good 1.5 seconds again.

Originally posted by 89lxihb 00lude
handling even though lighter
luxury cheap leather
resale
quality

--i think handling is a toss up, keep in mind an SE handles differently than a GLE max
--cheap leather, wrong, Nissan changed leather companies from 2k1-2k2, the 2k2 is thicker, not as soft but has a higher quality feel, but it depends on the person
--resale, i have to agree with you there, Acura has the name, reliability has little to do with the resale on the Maximas, it's more to do with the popularity of Nissan vs. the populrity of Acura
--quality, dead wrong, you can't say either is, it depends on what part of the car you're talking about, for example, the quality o the max tranny is much better than the cl-s', and the cl-s' paint is much higher quality than the max's; overall i think the max is of higher quality than the cl-s, but again it depends on what aspects of each car are most important to the owner

What kinda dealership do you work at Acura?

If your talking about people trading in Maximas

or anything else people arent gonna get what their

car is worth, see how dealers try to cheat everyone that

walks in for a new car. What Maximas Ive seen around

have held up exellent, and many magazines have said that

the leather has held up alot better than other cars, really I

dont care, cause I really dont like leather. The prices at

the local Nissan dealer here are asking almost new prices

for 99s and 2000 and 2001s , I think thats kinda high, but

I think so for any car that is 2 or 3 years old. :)

Originally posted by mattattax


--i think handling is a toss up, keep in mind an SE handles differently than a GLE max
--cheap leather, wrong, Nissan changed leather companies from 2k1-2k2, the 2k2 is thicker, not as soft but has a higher quality feel, but it depends on the person
--resale, i have to agree with you there, Acura has the name, reliability has little to do with the resale on the Maximas, it's more to do with the popularity of Nissan vs. the populrity of Acura
--quality, dead wrong, you can't say either is, it depends on what part of the car you're talking about, for example, the quality o the max tranny is much better than the cl-s', and the cl-s' paint is much higher quality than the max's; overall i think the max is of higher quality than the cl-s, but again it depends on what aspects of each car are most important to the owner

Well said.....Your exactly right!:D

Originally posted by TatII
okay now F20c. the NSX is known as a japanese ferrari becusae it is like a ferrari. but only that its made in japan. its a exotic car, with its MR lay out and its slow CG. however, the GT-R is beleived by many the fastest and most advance car to ever come out of japan. why do you think its got the nick name of "godzilla"? and what about all those legendary stories about its invinciblilty? i've never heard of any legends behind the NSX. plus you should really go watch some BESTMOTORING international videos. they race the top JDM's against the fastest cars in the world. stock for stock. they are all retired or is still pro drivers. in fact keichi the drift king is drivin for them, and he drives the Arta NSX in the JTTC. if you noticed that in every since video of a race. the NSX never beats the skyline. in fact its usualy a 1.5 behind or maybe alittle more. the only time we're i have seen the NSX beat the GT-R in that video was the episode where they were against a F355, and the F550. and that was in SUZUKA. during scorchin hot weather. from every episdoe that i see. the top cars in japan is the GT-R, the EVO and the NSX type S zero. but guess what? the NSX is usually pretty damn far behind the 4WD powerhouses. its usually the EVO or the GT-R thats fighting for 1st, 2nd or 3rd. the average rank that the NSX always ranks in that video mag is 4thish 5thish. now does that mean its the fastest car to come out of japan? noooo but that does still make it a japanese exotic? yes. and trust me, a GT-R will beat a F355 at the track. and i've seen it beat a F360 but a good 1.5 seconds again.

Yes I do know about bestmotoring however I never take those comparison into much consideration. The skills those people possese is not what you and I know of. NSX is easily the easiest car to drive near it's potential. Stock GT-R have no chance against F360. If you are talking about modify then that's different story. NSX Type S Zero is still the fastest car to ever come out of Japan. The fastest modify car in Japan belongs to FD3S I think.

oooh trust me i've seen it done and the GT-R stock beat out the F360 modena and was neck to neck with the porsche 996 turbo with 420hp. it cornered much much faster then the porsche. and the time differecen between them was .15 seconds. if you do'tn believe me spend $30 on the volume at www.zigzagasia.com

actually heres a more direct link and see the NSX get murdered. actually i see it get beaten in many many videos. lolz http://www.bestmotoringvideo.com/

ok bud look in the NADA book.

as for the trans problem I agree there is a problem but only a couple have had it. The problem is only in the S. The S and the premium have the same trans and never had a premuin (225hp) come in. I think that the trans can't take the extra power. I hate the auto anyway can't wait for the 6 speed.

ok you maxima guys love your cars just as much as us honda guys so I give up trying to talk you into the honda/acuras. I can't sell you anything you want just come and see me. :D What I do like about Nissan is their going to start the performance revolution. I'm just disappointed that Honda has such a conservative approach. Honda performance will increase but they wan't to make sure that what people want first. Look at it however you want but Honda sells alot more cars then Nissan just something to think about.

I wasn't talking about the breaking tranny, I meant the lag between shifts and the overal feel of how it shifts.

"Look at it however you want but Honda sells alot more cars than Nissan just something to think about."

Please... Ford and Chevy sell more than Honda and Nissan combined, are you trying to say a Ford or Chevy is of higher quality than a Honda or Nissan, your comment has no pith and no basis in judging a car company's worth. But nice try ;)

If I remember right if you take their trucks out of teh equation the numbers would be pitiful. Besides where talking about American car companies. No matter how bad teh quaility they will still sell tons of cars because it's "american made". Shoot half the American cars are made in other countries anyway and a good number of foreign car companies are built in the USA.

BTW don't take anything personal I just like to argue. ;)

Originally posted by 89lxihb 00lude
BTW don't take anything personal I just like to argue. ;)

Me too, I think auto froums need to be more diverse, there are a few members at maxima.org that don't drive maximas and i think it betters the forum and i wish ther were more there to put up good honest arguments with opinions but all opinions based on fact

that's a good point about American car companies, but why don't Hondas/Acuras have much of an overseas market, most of what they sell is here in the states

What a lame BS stock vs stock GT-R has no chance against F360 Modena and 991 Turbo.

Originally posted by mattattax




that's a good point about American car companies, but why don't Hondas/Acuras have much of an overseas market, most of what they sell is here in the states

Honda still sell very well overseas they just don't sell the street machines like everyone else. They sell mostly family cars.

its not a lame bs. go check out the video. keichi was in the gt-r, gan san is in the porsche, and nakaiya is in the evo 7. and hitori was in the F360. heh buy the video, it would open up your eyes.

and i forgot to mention this part. the reason why the gt-r and the evo beat the F360 was becuase the startin grid position started this way. it went by cost and value of the car. soooo the 1st was evo 7, second was gt-r, 3rd corvette C51, 4th NSX type S zero, 5th F360, 6th 996 turbo. but honestly, the nsx never had a chance. it never gained position, it just kept on being pulled away, farther adn farther and farther. but it did finsih 4th. here are the results, 996 turbo, gt-r, evo 7, nsx, F360, corvette.

I take the video like a grain of salt. First it doesn't even show the car's real characteristic. List goes from the fastest to slowest car.

911 Turbo
F360 Modena
NSX Type S Zero
Lancer GSR Evolution 7
Skyline GT-R V Spec II

I think the Skyline is to overrated by some people.

To bad its ugly and has a weird name.:(

EDIT: Bah, nevermind.

Well its true. it is ugly.

i woudlnt say its overrated, but rather how its been built. An Inline six that has the possibility to make over 1000 horses. i personally put that car into my dream car category, but hey .. watever makes ya happy.