It seems like Nissan and Honda are leaving Toyota in the dust with 4-door performance. Nissan has an altima that does a 14.7 1/4 time, honda's accord does low 15's, but the camry still does high 15's. Seems to me, toyota needs to turn the performance up on camrys. opinions???

perhaps w/ the introduction of the Avalon & Solara, Toyota is phasing the Camry out... I believe the Avalon is over 250 HP...

FYI Toyota owns Lexus who has a 14 sec ES 400....... with a small supercharger it is capable of high 12s......seen it happen

Originally posted by tracker+3
FYI Toyota owns Lexus who has a 14 sec ES 400....... with a small supercharger it is capable of high 12s......seen it happen

Is'nt the es400 way more expensive than the accord and altima? I'm not sure about the price...

Originally posted by TRDboi
perhaps w/ the introduction of the Avalon & Solara, Toyota is phasing the Camry out... I believe the Avalon is over 250 HP...

The Avalon was introduced a few years back and is positioned above the Camry...aiming at the Buick crowd...and produces almost exactly the same hp as the Camry since they share engines (right around 200hp). The Solara's a coupe version of the Camry and wouldn't replace a mainstream product.

The Camry was just redesigned last year and remains the top selling car in the US. Toyota is NOT phasing this car out.

While Honda and Nissan are playing the hp game because they're both trying to catch up to Toyota in sales. The Camry will probably get a hp boost when the 3.3L V6 is added to the lineup, but I don't see the rush. The V6 versions of all three cars aren't the volume in those lineups. They sell more four-cylinder sedans than V6s.

my celica could run better than any of those numbers. i could run high 12s to low 13s. its even in bad condition

Originally posted by tracker+3
FYI Toyota owns Lexus who has a 14 sec ES 400....... with a small supercharger it is capable of high 12s......seen it happen

I've passed on commenting about "Toyota owns Lexus" and I'm going to the bigger error....

What's an ES400?

Originally posted by sk8nbroslofski
my celica could run better than any of those numbers. i could run high 12s to low 13s. its even in bad condition

I assume your celica is modified, we're talkin about stcok cars here. That's pretty damn good times for a celica ;)

i bought it for 800 dollars...only real difference is it has exhaust headers and no catalytic converter. the reason i run such good time is because i know how to drive, and know how to handle my car

Originally posted by sk8nbroslofski
i bought it for 800 dollars...only real difference is it has exhaust headers and no catalytic converter. the reason i run such good time is because i know how to drive, and know how to handle my car

Header, exaust, and no cat, and you're runnin low 13's?:huh:

you betcha...when i hit the gas in that car, my rear end sits down and goes...i only squeal my tires when i want to. also, my stick shakes a little bit so i can feel the perfect time shift.

Originally posted by sk8nbroslofski
i know how to drive, and know how to handle my car

Sure pal. Post up a time slip or I'm calling BS.

you will notice, that in one of my previous mesages, i said i COULD run 13s...never said that i have.

Originally posted by Hudson


The Avalon was introduced a few years back and is positioned above the Camry...aiming at the Buick crowd...and produces almost exactly the same hp as the Camry since they share engines (right around 200hp). The Solara's a coupe version of the Camry and wouldn't replace a mainstream product.

The Camry was just redesigned last year and remains the top selling car in the US. Toyota is NOT phasing this car out.

While Honda and Nissan are playing the hp game because they're both trying to catch up to Toyota in sales. The Camry will probably get a hp boost when the 3.3L V6 is added to the lineup, but I don't see the rush. The V6 versions of all three cars aren't the volume in those lineups. They sell more four-cylinder sedans than V6s.

Im in total agreement here with what your say, but just to put in my 2cents. I believe that if Toyota made some special edition Performance-based cars (Exe. Corolla S) out of the Camry and the Avalon specifically they would be able to tap more into the enthusiasts market like they have with the Matrix, even TRD needs to get more active in providing services/cars for buyers. Aftermarket is big right now, and is only going to get bigger, this is something that Nissan and especially Honda has capitolized on. However the people @Toyota are headed in the right direction with the advertising they are doing for especailly Camry SE, and Corolla S but then we have the Echo, :rolleyes: and that other piece of crap who's name escapes me at the current moment.
When you match the Camry vs. Altima, Nissan can't touch it on sales but can destroy it on performance, sporty styling and options alone, same goes with the Honda. So far as the Avalon is concern, Nissan is out selling the Avalon 2-1, the Maxima is just an all around better performance car (depending on the Driver that is;)) and Accords speak for themselves (not sure if Accord matches up against Avalon or Camry). I am aware the Toyota built their company on a solid reputation of building reliable, inexpensive cars but times are changing and not as slowly as a lot of automobile designers at Toyota think, it's time to step up to the plate and take some risks and add some "umph" to their cars.

Originally posted by kro$s
...When you match the Camry vs. Altima, Nissan can't touch it on sales but can destroy it on performance, sporty styling and options alone, same goes with the Honda. So far as the Avalon is concern, Nissan is out selling the Avalon 2-1, the Maxima is just an all around better performance car (depending on the Driver that is;)) and Accords speak for themselves (not sure if Accord matches up against Avalon or Camry). I am aware the Toyota built their company on a solid reputation of building reliable, inexpensive cars but times are changing and not as slowly as a lot of automobile designers at Toyota think, it's time to step up to the plate and take some risks and add some "umph" to their cars.

The Nissan Altima didn't compete against the Camry and Accord until just recently...before the restyling, the Altima was too small and didn't have a V6. The Camry and Accord didn't get to the sales volume they're at in one year...it took time. The Altima has had a huge sales increase over the prior model...and Nissan's adding more production capacity next year.

In 2002 in the US, the Maxima outsold the Avalon by about 50%, not 2-to-1 (98,502 vs 69,029). The 2004 Maxima, according to Nissan, is aimed at the Avalon but previously, it was more competition for the Accord and Camry. Additionally, Maxima sales will actually go down when the new model arrives because it is leaving room for the Altima to expand...and they don't have enough production capacity since it moved to the US.

Toyota doesn't need to take risks. In the US in 2002, Toyota outsold all car brands except Ford...and it looks poised to move past Ford this year. Even with the Accord outpowering the current Camry (240hp V6 vs 200hp V6), they're still running first and second best-selling cars in the US.

For the sake of comparison, let's toss the new Acura TSX in this conversation, what do you guys think? Will it outsell the Toyotas? Will it outrun the Altima? What do you guys think? :)

What in Toyota/Lexus' or Nissan/Infiniti's lineup would the TSX compete with? The Acura TSX is a four-cylinder FWD $25,000 sedan. The Altima and Camry four-cylinders are less expensive. The G35 and IS300 are six cylinder and RWD, and only slightly more expensive.

Although I'm not entirely sure who Honda is aiming at with the TSX, Honda itself can't think there's much of a market to target. The TSX is imported and Acura doesn't have any high-volume models that are imported. The imported RSX sold 30,000 units last year compared to the 60,000 TLs and 53,000 MDXs. The TSX will probably take more sales from the TL (which won't be too many) than it will from Nissan or Toyota products.

Originally posted by Hudson


The Nissan Altima didn't compete against the Camry and Accord until just recently...before the restyling, the Altima was too small and didn't have a V6. The Camry and Accord didn't get to the sales volume they're at in one year...it took time. The Altima has had a huge sales increase over the prior model...and Nissan's adding more production capacity next year.


Here's the other side of the '02 Nissan Maxima/ Altima coin: You get 15 more horses, a less-roomy rear seat, and a less-than-current beam rear axle design in the Maxima, probably for about the same money as an Altima (after a bit of dickering). The all-new Altima (Sept. '01) is a valid Toyota Camry/Honda Accord fighter...... the Maxima is aggressively priced: just $24,699 for the base GXE model (which will be artificially held to five percent of production) to $27,099 for the deluxe GLE. The sporty SE starts at $25,449, whether you equip it with a four-speed automatic or the new six-speed manual. We expect the Altima V-6 to hit the $23,500-$26,000 range.
- ViA- Motor Trend, November 2001, First Drive: 2002 Nissan Maxima

Im also very much aware that the 2001 Best Selling Car was the Accord, and Now is the Camry with almost a half a million cars sold. And with 1,756,127 vehicles total for 2002 thats Toyota's best sales performance in its 45-year history. Not too mention they have the best selling used cars as well.

Seems as though the Max and Altima are pretty much the same and neither seem to really fit in the same class as the Avalon, hence it out selling it because it's targeted to a slightly different audience with the 5speed, 255hp, 6.4sec 0-60 time (Max). Basically those the Max & Altima are for people willing to trade off a bit of comfort/Luxury for better-than-average performance.

The all-new for 2004 Nissan Maxima, which is in production right now, is more powerful, larger, and more expensive than the previous model. It has moved away from the Altima's current market and into the Avalon's market.

toyota rules

I like toyotas but we need to have a stronger lineups with having some good sport compact and sedan cars that can step up to honda and nissan. We need to have an stronger aftermarketparts for toyotas. I pissed because they dont really have much aftermarkets parts for camrys. They have the universal crap to have put on.
THATS PISSES ME OFF!!! :mad: :mad:

First off, Toyota is way ahead then any other company out there. Toyota doesn't need to catch up or step up to any challenge, They have always stayed one step ahead of the game.

The Camry V6 will be completely new this year with a 3.3l that was brought over from the Lexus platform, it will go in the Sienna and Solora also. The 4cyl has just beenn replaced with a smoother faster 2.4l engine also.

The reason why there isn't many mods out there for Toyota not counting the Celica, Supra and MR2 is because everybody talks aboiut how they want stuff, but nobody actually buys them. the 1MFE which is the V6 engine Toyota is currently using in their cars has a supercharger that wont viod your warranty, I have just come out with a Supercharger for the 4cyl engine 5SFE which is an awesome piee and currently doing a group buy on.

There are plenty of stuff out there you have to know where to look. My site is currently down, going through a new look and feel, and will be adding a forum for the visitors of the site. Rod Millen has a lot of stuff for the Cmary also.

When it comes to performance Toyota knows what they are doing. They don't just put anything out there. And for Honda/Acura, Nissian (sp?) and Mitsu, everything looks the smae and basially runs the same. When you see a Toyota tricked out or at the tracks, you best believe that there is something more there.

I know alot of ppl who owns a Toyota who rather have the sleeper look beause of all the haters and ricers out there and loves the look on there face when they get spanked.

If people showed more interested in their Toyota and followed through with wanting to get stuff for their ride, trust me there would be alot more stuff out there. I have already custom designed a bodykit and grille for the 5 gen Camry 02+, currently working on one for the redesigned Solora. and have plenty for all others ars and truks, except sorry guys the Avalon. There has not been enough interested in kits for it or other stuff.

Toyota, Lexus and Scion is just better all around. If you looking for more info hit me, I would love to show you some nice looking Toyotas that not only look fast but run fast also.

Well t-tuning customs I want to see some toyotas post the pics do you have any gen 3 camry pics?? Also try to post sleeper toyotas.

the thing is that toyota is 3 car manifacturer in the world with the line up we see now....they dont feel like going with the other car compagny...

anyway in 2005 a bunch of new cars are comming ...

new supra
redesinged celica and come back of the all-trac with the 4 gen of 3sgte...
scion ax bx and other more exciting cars...
echo hatchback is here in canada allready so it is just a question of time that it will be in the US...

the caldina is comming 3sgte all trac 260 hp...

maybe even a corolla hatchback...(non official)
and almost forgot...the corolla s will have the 190 yes 190hp 2zzge not the 180 hp version we have in the celica.... so its more likely that the celica will have the late gen of 3sge 215 hp .....
so be patient...:iceslolan