best car for dirfting?

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matraca280_112

01-09-2003, 08:39 PM

i want to know what car is the bast for dirfting. but i would also like to know what is the least expensive and best car for dirfting?

Forhod

01-10-2003, 01:42 PM

The famous Tofu Car!! AE86!
Levin is nice to drift too!

NSX

01-10-2003, 04:32 PM

I think it's the S15...the turbo and the car seems to be setup just for drifting.

Cbass

01-14-2003, 11:29 PM

S15 or RX7... or 944S2, 3.0 liter NA DOHC, 50/50 balance...

Of course, at a less premium price, I'm gonna suggest a Hachi, the LSD really makes a difference... then again, none can compare to the awesome might of the 924... :D

HondaChili

01-15-2003, 12:38 AM

Everyone should know that the HACHI ROKU is king of drifts

Neutrino

01-15-2003, 06:02 AM

I said other cuz the ultimate cars for drifting are the posrcha's like the 911.

Bean Bandit

01-15-2003, 12:19 PM

FD RX 7

Cbass

01-15-2003, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Neutrino
I said other cuz the ultimate cars for drifting are the posrcha's like the 911.

:D

http://members.rennlist.com/sbcspeed/GT3drifting.mpg

Yeah. :D

NSX

01-16-2003, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Cbass
http://members.rennlist.com/sbcspeed/GT3drifting.mpg

:eek:
Nice videO!

Neutrino

01-16-2003, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by NSX

:eek:
Nice videO!

Ditto

Cbass

01-17-2003, 01:40 AM

Ty, there'll be a new one every day :D

Monkey-Magic-S15-R

01-17-2003, 08:22 AM

S14 is obviously the best its shorter and lighter than the S15 (even tho the turbo versions have like 50 odd hp difference)

But i'd still pick the S15 anyday cuz thats what i'm savin for :bandit:

NSX

01-17-2003, 07:22 PM

So where's Brighton? Is it in the UK, b/c I saw in the other thread you were talking in terms of pounds...

Suislide

01-18-2003, 08:05 PM

S15 Silvia, FD3S RX-7 and 180SX would be my top three choices. Porsche's drifting...?? they're better for Wangan if you ask me.

NSX

01-18-2003, 09:20 PM

Wangan?

Suislide

01-19-2003, 02:17 AM

you don't know what Wangan is??:eek: :eek:

here's the short version: Wangan is a bridge in Japan with toll booths on either end. in between, there is no policing, so the jap racers came to the conclusion that it would be the perfect top speed racing spot. now, Wangan racers as they are called tune the HELL out of they're cars (most make upwards of 500hp and hit 200mph usually), including scoops and body kits and carbon wings to keep these road missles firmly planted on the ground, and take them out for a top speed Wangan run. this no longer only happens on the namesake bridge though. there are other bridges, tunnels and stretches of highway in japan that are used for the same purpose. like Initial D is a show devoted to drifting, Wangan also has a japanese TV show dedicated to it, called Wangan Midnight. the main character drives an incredible '72 S30Z Nissan Fairlady. here's an example of a Wangan car...

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/645630yanachanNSX.jpg

Cbass

01-19-2003, 08:26 AM

Well, it all depends on the Porsche. Porsches have always been about handling, and braking moreso than acceleration. Sure, a 911 Turbo may be fast as hell, but it also handles very well.

The 924/944/968, are quite similar in layout and characteristics to a Silvia, they are quick handling front engine, RWD cars, with a 50/50 weight distribution.

Most are naturally aspirated, with the exception of the 924 Turbo, which is somewhat rare, and the 944 Turbo, which is capable of power equal to that of the most highly tuned Japanese engines. Not bad for an entry level car ;)

The 944S2 would be perfect for drifting, because of it's torquey nature, linear power curve, and excellent suspension.

Takeshi_Nakazato

01-23-2003, 01:43 AM

If Keiichi Tsuchiya drives an 86, then I pick the 86 as the prime drift car

Monkey-Magic-S15-R

01-23-2003, 11:44 AM

yea some of those wangan runners have 1000hp + Top Secret makes them :finger:

NSX

01-23-2003, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by S13_Iketani
Wangan also has a japanese TV show dedicated to it, called Wangan Midnight

Are there any clips of it?

:eek:
I was just looking at the URL of that pic...that's a NSX??!!!:eek:

Suislide

01-23-2003, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by NSX

Are there any clips of it?

:eek:
I was just looking at the URL of that pic...that's a NSX??!!!:eek:

that is indeed an NSX. owned by a guy in Japan named Yanachan. he's part of an all-NSX wangan club called "Top End". some of their cars are crazy-fast, but his is the best by far.

flylwsi

01-23-2003, 07:33 PM

more wangan warriors on overboost...

http://overboost.com/story.asp?id=216

unfortunately, you can't get into it... but i'll post the story here...

Dateline Las Vegas. We did a one-day cannonball run out to Sin City from L.A. to check out the International Z Car Convention. As great as the show was our real reason for attending was the inclusion of a dozen privately owned Japanese Domestic Market (JDM) Z's that Nissan had shipped to the States especially for the event. In our search for the most incredible JDM car at the show, more often than not people kept directing us back to this red 280ZX.
At first glance, this car looked rather nondescript aside from the wide-body kit. After all, the car is a 1978 model. We found the answer to this Z's unique appeal with a closer look at the specs - 600hp and a top speed of over 300 km/h! That's equivalent to 186 mph for our metrically challenged readers. Further investigation revealed much more about this car and its owner as well.
"The cars at the Tokyo Auto Salon do not impress me," the Z's owner remarked with a nonchalant tone. "No matter how much horsepower they make, these (Auto Salon) cars will never impress me unless they are driven. Cars are meant to be driven." Take a close look at the front end of this Z - it shamelessly wears its battle scars with pride. Not only is this car driven, it is driven mercilessly.
The car is actually owned by a well-mannered gentleman by the name of Toshi from Tokyo, Japan. Toshi politely requested that we withhold his last name and remove his license plate numbers because the Japanese police take a very dim view on the street racing element and he feared retribution as a result of this story. This is also because Toshi belongs to the Mid Night Racing Team - one of the most famous street racing teams in Japan. Mid Night's membership mainly consists of Porsches, Zs, and Skyline GTRs. Mid Night also leaves the 1320 and drift competitions to the kiddies, because their need for speed could only be met through what Toshi calls "maximum velocity." Top Speed has always been a hallowed benckmark and the team's dramatic exploits have been documented in over 200 editorial features in most of the leading Japanese auto magazines and even Turbo, MAX Power U.K., and Denmark's Autoviz magazine.

flylwsi

01-23-2003, 07:35 PM

cont'd.

We still wanted to know how this Z puts out over 600 hp and how Toshi pushed it over the 300 km/h mark (right after that run it was discovered that the Z was running on only five cylinders!). All of the 280's tuning was performed at ABR (Air Breathing Research) Hosoki Engineering. Among other notable accomplishments ABR built the World's fastest Soarer (basically a twin-turbo Lexus SC 300) which recorded a "maximum velocity" of 218 mph. ABR increased the capacity of the L28E powerplant to 3,100cc with its own forged pistons, rods, crankshaft and cams. The 280ZX's very mild single turbo system was tossed in favor of twin IHI RHC-6 VX55 compressors and 3P-13 turbines. Power transfer is handled via a Z31 300ZX Turbo 5-speed transmission with an ABR LSD. Engine management is courtesy of a Nissan genuine 16-bit ECU, GReddy PROFEC and REBIC III and an HKS GCC.
At 186 mph they say you have no friends, you also have no room for error and this is where the aerodynamics and suspension and brakes help control the prodigious amounts of horsepower it takes to bring a car up to this velocity. Toshi chose specially modified Bilstein dampers with TRD springs and 16-inch Panasport wheels wrapped with Bridgestone RE71 tires. Stopping distances are reduced with no less than R32 Skyline GTR calipers utilizing TRD rotors from a Supra racing application. Aero improvements come in the form of an ABR Original body kit with front and rear fenders, front spoiler, side skirts, rear valance, rear hatch spoiler and a vented hood.
In addition to this Z Toshi also owns a 1982 280ZX Turbo (with only slight modifications - just for fun), a 1990 300ZX Turbo (with heavy modifications - recorded a 291km/h top speed) and a non-modified 1999 300ZX Turbo as a daily driver. Obviously Toshi's love for Z's runs deep and when we asked him why he started to modify his Z he calmly replied, "To win against my rivals, that is all." With an arsenal like this at his disposal we would have to say that Toshi probably left more than a few of his rivals in his tremendous wake.

SPECS:
Car Specs
Mid Night Racing Team 1978 280ZX
Engine Type: Nissan L28E

Engine Mods: Capacity increased to 3,100cc with forged 89f pistons, ABR original rods, ABR original crankshaft, ABR original 268-degree camshafts with 12.9 mm lift, intake 46.5 mm, exhaust 38.0 mm, twin IHI RHC-6 VX55 compressors and 3P-13 turbines
Engine Management: Nissan genuine 16-bit ECU; GReddy PROFEC and REBIC III; HKS GCC

Drivetrain: Z31 300ZX Turbo 5-speed transmission 0.779 fifth gear ratio; ABR Original special LSD with 3.545 final gear ratio

Suspension: Specially modified Bilstein dampers with TRD springs

Brakes: R32 Nissan Skyline GTR calipers with TRD Supra Race rotors

Wheels: Panasport C5R 16x8 front, 16x9 rear

Tires: Bridgestone RE71 225/50R16 front, 245/45R16 rear

Exterior Mods: ABR Original body kit with front and rear fenders, front spoiler, side skirts, rear valance, rear hatch spoiler, hood

Interior Mods: Autometer tachometer; Blitz EGT; HKS water temperature, oil temperature, oil pressure and boost gauge; ABR Original rollcage; Recaro SPG driver seat, Recaro LS passenger seat; Sabelt four-point harnesses; Nismo D-shape steering wheel
Mobiletronics: N/A

flylwsi

01-23-2003, 07:37 PM

flylwsi

01-23-2003, 07:40 PM

http://overboost.com/story.asp?id=338

Two hundred and sixteen miles per hour. Two hundred and sixteen miles per hour. Excuse the repetition, but we just like the way that sounds. Two hundred and sixteen miles per hour. The reason we are attracted to this particular velocity is that it is also the top speed of this Z car pictured here. These kind of numbers make this car the fastest, ahem, street legal Z in Japan.
We didn't exactly stumble upon this Beast from the East. We were introduced to this car through another newfound Japanese friend of ours, Toshi, who piloted his own Z car to more than 186 mph (click here to see the full feature)! Much like Toshi this Z's owner would only allow us publish his first name, Hiro, out of fear of retribution from the Japanese authorities. And when we asked him, through Toshi's bi-lingual skills, what he did for a living he would only tell us that he is self-employed. These guys are very secretive, and with good reason. If we spent our free time driving at speeds around the double-century mark on public highways, we wouldn't want the police to know who we are or what we do either. While Toshi belongs to the world famous Mid Night Racing Team Hiro belongs to a smaller club consisting of only two members. You might be wondering what kind of car the other member owns. It's a Toyota Soarer (a 7M-GTE-powered coupe) with a top end of 218 mph! Toshi, Hiro, the Soarer owner and the rest of the Mid Night Racing Team spend their late nights looking for areas of the Wangan Expressway where they can put these excessive machines to their own brand of top speed testing. One of the main directives of our Tokyo Auto Salon mission was to capture a video of the guys during some of their Wangan runs.
If you have any doubt to our claims of the top speed prowess of this Fairlady, its dramatic exploits (as well as those of the Mid Night Racing Team) have been documented in over 200 editorial features in most of the leading Japanese auto magazines and even Turbo, MAX Power U.K., and Denmark's Autoviz magazine. We were prepared to get some video footage of Hiro, Toshi and the rest of the guys in action, but we neglected one thing - a vehicle of our own (D'oh-OVB). So without our own wheels we were denied the chance to see these guys in action, although we will definitely be traveling back to the JDM in the near future, which will include a stop at the Hertz counter at the Narita airport. And although it was 0'dark thirty, Hiro was kind enough to allow us to take whatever pictures we could given the zero light setting. Since our new friend Hiro doesn't speak any English (which is far better than our Japanese skills) it made it hard to get the technical specs from him. With Toshi's help we were able to glean these little tidbits: the car has rocked the dyno rollers to the tune of over 800 hp to the rear wheels; the engine originally powered a Bonneville Salt Flats Fairlady to almost 400 km/h (250 mph); and most importantly, Hiro has no interest in any of these numbers or specs. He only cares about one thing - the maximum velocity he can wring out of this car. Toshi told us, "Hiro does not have any interest in the specifications. He only has an interest in how fast it is. Also, he believes that proper tuning and the perfect fuel management setup is much more important than the sum of the parts."

flylwsi

01-23-2003, 07:42 PM

While Hiro makes a great point, we would still like to know what makes this Fairlady tick. From what we could make out in the very short but sweet spec sheet Hiro gave us the VG30DETT V-6 underwent a complete engine build-up, which includes 89 mm forged pistons, "Bonneville" spec camshafts and H-beam connecting rods. The twin turbo setup was upgraded with HKS GT3037S turbines and HKS GT wastegates mounted on a custom-made long type exhaust manifold, while the charge air is kept at a reasonable level with an ARC "special spec" front mount intercooler. To keep the fluid temps in check an oil cooler and high-flow radiator were also added. Increased fuel needs are met with 850 cc injectors and the out gases are expelled through dual 80 mm exhaust tips. Hiro's requirements for "perfect fuel management" are achieved with an HKS F-COM V-PRO and gear selection is assisted through a multi-puck racing clutch.
When Hiro's tearing up the Wangan at more than 200 mph he relies on ultra high performance (and ultra adhesive) 17-inch Yokohama Neova rubber wrapped around a mean-looking set of Panasport C5R five-spoke wheels. The Fairlady's suspension agility is improved with a trick set of Ohlins adjustable coilovers with remote reservoirs and when it comes time to haul the Z down to more sensible speeds Hiro relies on a Brembo racing kit.
One of the Overboosters was lucky enough to go for a brief ride with Hiro in the Fairlady (not lucky enough as he didn't get on it in the dense Tokyo traffic-OVB). As passengers and pilots, we've experienced enough street cars with buckets and harnesses (although Recaro SPGs with Willans belts are still very exclusive). But this car deceives your senses when Hiro fires it up. The lumpy cam idle, burbly exhaust and the electric fuel pump whirring away only inches behind your ears all scream Race Car. Not to mention the smell of the fuel and the chatter of the six individual clutch pucks rattling away with such vibration that you half expect to lose some vital transmission pieces as you pull away. Hiro actually drives this circuit crusher nearly every day. The antiquated steering wheel is actually a Datsun Competition model that Hiro acquired before he even owned the car. His love for Nissans runs deep. In fact he owned a Z31 prior to this Fairlady but an accident sidelined his modification plans.
The exterior is made more aerodynamically sound with the addition of a complete Bomex aero kit including a ducted hood. Some of Hiro's future plans involve the addition of a wide-body kit but much of the funding earmarked for this Z involves maintenance on the performance mods. The combination of the extreme engine build-up and Hiro's top speed exploits make for frequent rebuilds and part replacements. In regards to other future upgrades Hiro can only smile and tell us that his need for speed mirrors most people's lust for money - you can never have enough.
specs:

Car Specs
JDM Nissan Z32 300ZX

Engine Type: VG30DETT V-6

Displacement: 3.0L

Engine Mods: Complete engine build-up including 89 mm forged pistons, "Bonneville" spec camshafts, H-beam connecting rods, oil cooler, high-flow radiator; 850 cc injectors; HKS GT3037S turbines (2), HKS GT wastegates, custom-made long type exhaust manifold, ARC "special spec" front mount intercooler; dual 80 mm exhaust tips

Engine Management: HKS F-COM V-PRO

Drivetrain: Multi-puck racing clutch

Suspension: Ohlins adjustable coilovers with remote reservoirs

Brakes: Brembo racing kit

Wheels: Panasport C5R 8JJx17, 9JJ-17

Tires: Yokohama Neova 235/45ZR17, 265/40ZR17

Exterior Mods: Bomex aero kit (including front clip, side skirts, rear bumper, rear spoiler and aero ducted hood)

Interior Mods: Recaro SPG seats (2) with Willans harnesses, Datsun Competition steering wheel

Mobiletronics: N/A

Suislide

01-23-2003, 07:45 PM

enough posts?? yeesh...lol just kidding. thanks for posting the story for those of us without accounts! overboost is a rip-off and kind of ricey, but once in a while they do have good articles. that 216mph Z32 is just amazing.

flylwsi

01-23-2003, 07:45 PM

flylwsi

01-23-2003, 07:46 PM

demonzx is gonna die when he sees these... hehe

flylwsi

01-23-2003, 07:49 PM

the only reason i took so many posts... is b/c no one wants to read the whole thing in one post...
and people will always ask what the story is... so i figured i'd show the whole thing...

and yeah, it's my post whoring for the day...

i'm a big overboost fan... they have alot of nicer imports on their site... it's getting better... and they cover shows like the tokyo auto salon, not just u.s. bs...

Suislide

01-23-2003, 08:42 PM

i agree their photo coverage of TAS was excellent. i right clicked and saved at least 50 pics from their TAS galleries. :D

flylwsi

01-24-2003, 02:38 AM

i'm a bit biased b/c of their site, but the cars they have are all high caliber, and they cover the big events, do big mods on cars, and their photo galleries are always amazing... but that's just me...

they've got great coverage of last years show too...

Drfthis

02-17-2003, 11:36 AM

The chevy corvet w/it's 50/50 ratio the mr2 or sw20 and of corse the rx7

Drfthis

02-17-2003, 11:52 AM

The best would be somthing w/like an 50/50 ratio but the cheapest is the 86, toyota corola , levin or what ever you want to call it its prety much the same drive train it drfts well to

flylwsi

02-17-2003, 12:08 PM

i would assume a car with an equal weight distribution may be a disadvantage...

most drift cars are nose heavy to an extent, very light rear ends to slide easily...

that's why most don't have back seats, and nothing in the boot/trunk area...

it'd be harder to drift a car with 50/50 weight distribution as opposed to 60/40 or even 70/30

racingbreed20

02-18-2003, 06:20 PM

AE86 are the-never-give-up grunt of the bunch. I love them but I'm still sticking to my lovable GTS-T

Cbass

02-21-2003, 11:56 PM

I think a 50/50 weight distribution is critical to having a good handling car, especially when drifting. You can always stiffen the rear springs ;)

The C5 Corvette would be quite an impressive drifting machine as well.

Hmm, how about a first gen RX7 with a 5.0 Ford in it?:devil:

Suislide

02-22-2003, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by Cbass
Hmm, how about a first gen RX7 with a 5.0 Ford in it?:devil:

how about no? haha...

first gen RX-7 with a 13B in it...:eek: :eek:

the 5 litre would ruin the cars balance.

Cbass

02-22-2003, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by S13_Iketani

how about no? haha...

first gen RX-7 with a 13B in it...:eek: :eek:

the 5 litre would ruin the cars balance.

Actually, the 12A weighs 355lbs, and the 5.0 HO weighs 410 lbs, so relocating the battery to the trunk actually gives it more of a rear weight bias.

Also, a naturally aspirated V8 would be better for drifting than a turbo RE, as it has a more linear power curve.

Suislide

03-16-2003, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by Cbass

Actually, the 12A weighs 355lbs, and the 5.0 HO weighs 410 lbs, so relocating the battery to the trunk actually gives it more of a rear weight bias.

Also, a naturally aspirated V8 would be better for drifting than a turbo RE, as it has a more linear power curve.

it's all about keeping it in the family.

big V8's in small jap cars are not the way to be.

2strokebloke

03-31-2003, 07:54 PM

I voted for other, because it's obvious that a Toyota Starlet, with it's engine swaped for an RX-7 rotory unit would be the ultimate car for going sideways. (and I mean the early starlet with rear wheel drive)

Cbass

04-03-2003, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by S13_Iketani

it's all about keeping it in the family.

big V8's in small jap cars are not the way to be.

Ah, the rotary purist stance :P

I remember when the Cobra was first built, and a few people said that it wasn't right because it was a british car with an american V8...

Besides, a 5.0 is not a big V8 :hehehe: If you compare it to a 3.0 engine that has been turbocharged and well built, it's not all that powerful...

NSX-R-SSJ20K

04-04-2003, 05:02 AM

the S14 is lighter and shorter than the S15 so it is actually supposedly technically better than the S15 but i voted the S15 all the same

Silvia_Dorifta

06-11-2003, 04:33 AM

I think the sileighty or the Silvia S13 with a SR20 is the best for drifting.

drews

06-25-2003, 05:43 PM

rx-7

Tercel GTS

07-12-2003, 01:42 AM

I'd have to say a camaro, you can buy them for $50 if ya shop a lil, they come with decent power, and when you wreck it, who really cares?

Tercel GTS

07-12-2003, 01:49 AM

I'd have to say a camaro, you can buy them for $50 if ya shop a lil, they come with decent power, and when you wreck it, who really cares?

Myrrdex

08-06-2003, 01:32 AM

Originally posted by Tercel GTS
I'd have to say a camaro, you can buy them for $50 if ya shop a lil, they come with decent power, and when you wreck it, who really cares?

:iagree: but actually it is 25$ in my area :bananasmi

tegusdrifter

08-19-2003, 02:56 AM

:iagree: but actually it is 25$ in my area :bananasmi

Wow, that's pretty cheap.

JeffForSale!

08-22-2003, 10:17 PM

:iagree: but actually it is 25$ in my area :bananasmi
can you buy me like, 15 of them and airmail em to me? i mean since their so cheap and all :smokin:

JayBlueSkyline

08-25-2003, 01:32 AM

wreck? nonono

barbecue :naughty:

AE92 Drift Corolla

10-06-2003, 10:02 PM

Best drift car is always NA (i.e. AE86) but i like the idea of the Ford Falcon XR6 turbo drifter: 4.0L L6 DOHC produces enough exaust gas to keep an HKS T51R SPL BB almost LAG FREE, keep in mind this turbo flows up to 1000bhp + Falcon 6 is built like a brick s---house so no rods through blocks etc... at high boost. In fact, fitting a cat back exaust and computer can boost power from stock 240Kw (% by 1.35 for Bhp) to 300 KW (398bhp)

AE92 Drift Corolla

10-06-2003, 10:30 PM

sorry X by 1.35 for Bhp

It has always been my belief that drift is not about Bhp.... meh who cares? horsepower is great fun!!!!

JeffForSale!

10-26-2003, 04:04 PM

Will someone close the damn poll, the guy cant even spell "drift" correctly!

AE86-Levin

10-27-2003, 02:19 AM

Hi im new to these forums but i though you would all like to see a fantastic drift in an Aus spec AE86 sprinter with mods

http://www.meggala.com/simondrift.htm

Check it out... pretty mad...

JeffForSale!

10-27-2003, 06:14 PM

Hi im new to these forums but i though you would all like to see a fantastic drift in an Aus spec AE86 sprinter with mods

http://www.meggala.com/simondrift.htm

Check it out... pretty mad...
Yes, you are new to the forums, so please, post your posts in the CORRECT forum to avoid getting flamed, this is the Initial D forum, where we discuss the game/manga/anime, go to the DRIFTING forum to make posts about drifting. Its not even a Sprinter either, its a Levin, its even your screenname, how did you miss that?

AE86-Levin

10-27-2003, 09:59 PM

Yes, you are new to the forums, so please, post your posts in the CORRECT forum to avoid getting flamed, this is the Initial D forum, where we discuss the game/manga/anime, go to the DRIFTING forum to make posts about drifting. Its not even a Sprinter either, its a Levin, its even your screenname, how did you miss that?

To reply to your "high and mighty" post... The Levin was released in Australia as a Toyota Sprinter.. Not a Toyota Corrolla Levin..

So because it is in Aus it is a sprinter...

So no... i didn't miss any thing..

The Trueno's where never released in Aus so the Levin is a just calld a sprinter here...

JeffForSale!

10-28-2003, 05:59 PM

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1158
You say Aus-spec Sprinter, so what would a Aus-spec Levin be? ;) :licka:

NSX-R-SSJ20K

10-29-2003, 09:09 AM

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1158
You say Aus-spec Sprinter, so what would a Aus-spec Levin be? ;) :licka:

Aus spec Levin ? Didn't you just answer that yourself?

JeffForSale!

10-29-2003, 06:28 PM

Aus spec Levin ? Didn't you just answer that yourself?
My hypocrisy at its best ;) :licka:

dori corolla

11-03-2003, 10:30 PM

there is no levins or truenos in Aus.

Aus got the f**ked up 4AC carby poofter engine!

its not enough to have it called an AE86 with out a 4AG.

the aussie Ae86 is basically a Levin with Trueno taillights, but shit engine, no LSD and drum brake rear end!

dori corolla

11-03-2003, 10:31 PM

and the best car for 'dirfting' is a S13 silvia w/ SR20 motor.

Cheap, light, powerful, looks mad when done up.

AE86-Levin

11-04-2003, 06:41 PM

and the best car for 'dirfting' is a S13 silvia w/ SR20 motor.

Cheap, light, powerful, looks mad when done up.

Actually... the s14 is supposedly the best car for drifting ..... As it has the best weight distribution... Which is the key ingredient to drift... I am currently placing a 110kw 4age in my Aus spec AE86... Does that make it any better dori corrolla..??? Along with new suspension/brakes/clutch/diff... just enough to make me happy...

also what engine you got in your rolla???

And what rolla is it???

out of interest...????

dori corolla

11-04-2003, 11:21 PM

dori corolla

11-04-2003, 11:25 PM

I am currently placing a 110kw 4age in my Aus spec AE86... Does that make it any better dori corrolla..???

yes, i does :D:D

where you at in Aus???

if in SA, come to Nairne :D

AE86-Levin

11-06-2003, 10:11 PM

Nar dude i'm in Bris... :(...

You post on toymods????

Meh....
Rolla's rule... lol

dori corolla

11-06-2003, 11:59 PM

nah i dont go to there.

i only have net at school and most of that time is on here anyway.

*Rolla's rule* :D

DaNiEl_PaRkEr

11-07-2003, 08:08 PM

Most of yous should know that its not the car is the driver and the setup of the car...Yes certian cars are good for drifting but its not just up to the car to do all the work...its the driver...

To drift a car is to create reckless art

JeffForSale!

11-08-2003, 02:39 PM

Let the DAMN THREAD DIE ALREADY. This is the Initial D forum! Go to the drifting forum to discuss drifting!

Nissan-Fan

11-16-2003, 03:44 AM

I say the 180sx, i like the Trueno, but shit, 128hp isnt really choice
(i know, its DRIFTING not pure speed, but you still need some power!)

JeffForSale!

11-16-2003, 03:32 PM

I say the 180sx, i like the Trueno, but shit, 128hp isnt really choice
(i know, its DRIFTING not pure speed, but you still need some power!)
Once again, GET OUT OUT OF THE DAMN INITIAL D FORUM. ITs INITIAL D, the ANIME/MANGA/GAME, not DRIFTING, there is ALREADY A DRIFTING FORUM.
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1158
LET THE GODAMN THREAD DIE ALREADY.

driftu

11-22-2003, 07:24 PM

sw20 mid engine, NA and light no car like it

JeffForSale!

11-22-2003, 09:57 PM

Once again, GET OUT OUT OF THE DAMN INITIAL D FORUM. ITs INITIAL D, the ANIME/MANGA/GAME, not DRIFTING, there is ALREADY A DRIFTING FORUM.
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1158
LET THE GODAMN THREAD DIE ALREADY.
Jesus christ :banghead:

Layla's Keeper

03-04-2004, 02:23 AM

As much as I'd like to see you suffer an aneurysm, Jeff For Sale, I'll do you a favor and move this thread.

7th_skyline

03-04-2004, 07:25 AM

i got a KE55 POS.

it slides on dirt

the engine is a standard 4K very hardy motor but no power.

it cannot drift but only slide a bit.

i will try when i get another car, try drift but for now i need the chassis straight :D

This is interesting to me....And you may be interested too :)
A friend of mine has a KE55 coupe he has rebuilt to the same (actually better) spec as the TE37 Levin of its time (ie 1977) that shared the same body, but had a T series engine in Japan and elsewhere.

His mods include a ported DOHC 2T-G head, with big cams, and sidedraught mikunis on an overbored, high compression, 3T bottom end (its a touch over 1.8 litres). Behind a heavily lightened flywheel and heavy duty clutch it is a T50 box.
Suspension wise, up front he has fabricated front height adjustable coilovers (on xA6x celica strut bodies) with AE92 toyota inserts and King race springs, using Peugeot front disks and four piston Landcruiser calipers. The rear end is a locked celica diff, on uprated wagon leaf springs, with aftermarket shocks and a hand fabricated panhard rod. Inside the cloth CS-X interior has made way for a full black vinyl setup from a base model, he has a personal steering wheel and a celica tachometer replaces the factory clock. It also has japanese levin badging and levin taillights, and will soon have a levin hood and grille to complete the transformation from KE55 to TE37. It rolls on 14x7" BR rims (Japanese RS-watanabe copies) with semi-comp bridgestones. Also has a hand fabricated cromo-aluminium strut bar in the front.

Purpose of this? This car is built comprising almost entirely modified or retrofitted factory toyota parts, albeit from commercial or larger vehicles. Almost all the work is his own, and he has learned as he has built it. Its not an expensive build (bar the rare parts to convert it to Levin spec like badges, gauges, interior, grille), but its brutally effective on the track and in the hills. and let me add it is one of the most fun, controllable and capable drift cars I've seen. Also, he has used it as a "school" of sorts - that is he has taught himself all the requisite skills and has upgraded the car along with his driving ability.
A KE55 certainly can certainly drift, so long as you choose the right mods.

Bronigs

03-05-2004, 01:29 AM

porsches especially the new ones are horrible for drifting, utterly impossible to loose the tail, best are 80s RWD japanesse cars, and 70s firebird. But classic domestics are very easy to drift but its hard to control, RX7, 240sx, trueno AE86, supra, even MR2z, r the best for drifting, once ur good go get a s13 with a sr20det and ull drift better then any car in the world

MR2Driver

03-06-2004, 12:23 PM

7th_skyline

03-06-2004, 09:33 PM

A good drift car has to be one thing: Expendable

You dont want a brand new expensive sports car like the S15 to drift with. Its GOING to get damaged, you just need something:

1. RWD
2. Lightweight
3. Balanced (50:50)
4. ~170RWHP or more, preferably NA

Thats why I'd choose a NA RX-7 FC, you can actually find them for under 2 grand.

Needs to have enough power to actually break the tyres loose though, far as I've experienced NA FC RX7's are severely lacking there...And needs to be reliable enough to do it on a regular basis, and again they have a bit of a problem with being regularly thrashed...and 170RWHP, surely it wouldn't make that either?

Anyway, I'd say something in the S13 or RPS13 range , they seem to be the best.

My personal "wishlist" drift car .....
DR30 RS-X Skyline with an old Trust TD05 kit, HKS 304 cams, Nismo 2-way mechanical diff centre, and JIC coilovers rolling on some RS-watanabe 8 spoke 15x8" rims front / SSR reverse mesh 15x9" on the back :D

Soyo

03-07-2004, 04:34 PM

flyingskwerrl

03-07-2004, 10:52 PM

I think a Hoda Civic wuold be awsome!:screwy:

:chair:

I_need_money

03-07-2004, 11:41 PM

I own 2 ae86's good cars but I am gonna go agianst the grain and I am gonna say uummm The FC3S RX-7 I love those cars just too bad ass, also A31 Cefirio if you don't know what this is it looks like a 4 door s13 silvia but with sexy tail lights and a RB20DET truely awesome car.

Soyo

03-08-2004, 09:28 PM

you got any pics of an A31 Cefirio? sounds interesting :)

drftk1d

03-09-2004, 12:37 PM

how about the late 80s cressida? that's a decent car. plus its availiable i america unlike the cefiro.

Layla's Keeper

03-09-2004, 05:47 PM

http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~dennou/hobby/car/ce.jpg
http://www.japanesemotorsport.com.au/Cefiro/cefiro1.jpg
http://www.bn-sports.co.jp/4door/image/CEFIRO_front.jpg

Here's your A31 Cefiro pics, Soyo.

1viadrft

03-09-2004, 06:41 PM

Beautiful car!

I Kinda like the old SKYLINE R30's and R31's! Very good drift cars! I also like the more recent 33 and 34 GTS SKYLINE's.... it's a pity the GTR's take all the fame!
The S13 SILVIA is my fave drift-car though!

drftk1d

03-10-2004, 12:54 PM

1viadrft

03-10-2004, 04:06 PM

i think that the skylines are too big but i still want one. Here's my idea:

I wanna take the r33 gts coupe chassis and swap to a rb30e. the rb30 will have a rb25 head andit will be bored and stroked to 3.3 liters (i dont know how). I kinda feel that n/a cars are more controlaable than boosted ones, thats why i just want an atmo car.

They're big 'n sexy though... imagine ripping up your tires going sideways chasing down a nimble AE86 or S13 around a corner! That's bad-ass!

One thing: I know you meant 'two-door' SKYLINE... but all SKYLINES are SEDANS and not COUPES. I agree that the NA RB series engines are better suited for drift... I want one so bad! There is a 1983 SKYLINE TuRbOeD for-sale in LA county and the guy wants $9,000 obo for her... if only I could dish out that kinda money right now.... shit I would even trade my Z for that!

What do you guys think of the SILVIA Q's? Non-turbo SILVIA's are known for their drifting... but don't they lack power? I don't hear too much about these cars or their power potential... I have only seen one or two in DRIFT-TENGOKU...

7th_skyline

03-11-2004, 02:01 AM

drftK1d, personally I'd start with a HCR32 GTS-T chassis, lighter for starters.
Certainly get the RB25 head though, and the RB30E bottom end isn't a bad idea, though you need custom pistons to get the deck height right for compression with the 25 head - RB25DE comp is about 10:1 whereas the RB25 combustion chamber with RB30E pistons gives about 8.3:1 comp.
You'll be able to go to about 3.2 litres with an offset ground crank, custom rods , and a big bore job.

I'm currently saving for a DR30RS-X, and some go fast bits for the old FJ20ET... Thinking about 7.0:1 comp, cosworth pistons, carillo rods, balanced crank,light flywheel, HKS 304 grind cams, modified valvesprings and retainers, mild porting, N15 SR20DE throttle body, and maybe a T51R or T04 on a custom manifold (possibly something a little smaller, but big is good..) ....
So that should make the FJ basically bulletproof (FJ's make SR's look like a gutless , fragile hunk of crap), should spin about 9500-10k and make monster power, if a bit on the laggy/peaky/uncontrollable side , not to mention kidney rattling coilovers and a deafening exhaust... :evillol:
But it would be a trip to just destroy modern cars with a fairly innocuous looking 20 year old four cylinder...

drftk1d

03-11-2004, 01:25 PM

mmmm fj20 w/ t51r (a spl would be nutso). the best of ol school and new.

the onyl reason i wanted the r33 is because i think it looks better (and as a plus the chassis is tighter).

believe me i did think about a r32 but i decided that by the time i get the resources to do this project the 32 chassis would be kinda old.

but i kinda wanted a high comp ratio like 11:1

Boss San

03-15-2004, 02:41 PM

Bronigs, have you ever stepped foot in a new Porsche? My boy Keeichi doesn't seem to have a problem getting the tail out on 'em, and further more the REAL Porsches are rear engine/ rwd, that automatically makes them tail happy up the wazzu, you're probably thinking of the awd models. Yes we will never be able to afford them but the proof is in the punch.
Lachean I have a question. You say you need at least 170hp.
The ae86 are only made for and are best at about 140-150whp when properly balanced. Plus this makes the engine last a whole lot longer than if you try and put 250+whp in your car.

Soyo

03-15-2004, 06:51 PM

you deffinately don't need 170hp, my car has 160(stock) so its probably a bit lower since its so old, and I bet I could lose 10 more horses and still be able to drift, well I'd do little wussy ones, but an experienced person would do good :)

and boss san, there is an edit button, use it

Drifty

04-01-2004, 10:46 PM

i agree wangan is one sick road

Corey I RanciD

04-02-2004, 01:55 PM

You just need enough horsepower to get a considerable amount of speed. An AE86 does fine with ~110hp, my 240SX does fine with 155bhp, etc. You shouldn't have to rely on power.

Boss San

04-03-2004, 10:38 PM

Got any pics of your friend's KE55 by chance? It sounds sweet.

MR2Driver

04-04-2004, 06:12 PM

Boss San, I said ~170 Horses, which means "around there depending on the car's weight"

Better?

Boss San

04-05-2004, 07:35 PM

It's all down to personal driver preference. 150-550, whatever.
How about that.

drftk1d

04-07-2004, 01:04 AM

No you're both wrong.

All drift cars should have 350 hp.

lol.

Boss San

04-08-2004, 07:13 PM

No you're both wrong.

All drift cars should have 350 hp.

lol.

:sly: :cwm27:

Soyo

04-11-2004, 03:35 PM

I can do power over drifts with my 160hp rx7, why get all that horespower if all you wanna do is drift? although more horsepower means better tire smoke in some cases, so its all up to you... personal I want about 250-275hp, so I can drift, and tear up people on the streets :)

7th_skyline

04-13-2004, 06:22 AM

Got any pics of your friend's KE55 by chance? It sounds sweet.

No pics of it at the moment right now - its in the throes of the final lot of mods to make it complete... But when its done it will have a black vinyl levin style interior, TE37 levin grille, levin hood, bumpers, taillights....Big cams, 1.8+ bottom end.... Its going to be very trick. When Jonny finishes it I'll get some pics, currently the engine and front end are out (coilovers + 4 pot brakes being built up, 1.8 litre bottom end and cams just done), the grille is off pending the levin one arriving from japan, and the hood is unpainted in factory toyota primer.
But its not far away.

Tach_it

05-06-2004, 03:10 AM

I said other cuz the ultimate cars for drifting are the posrcha's like the 911.

Not to nitpick, but PorschE is my brand, spelled Porsche pronounced por-sha

Tach_it

05-06-2004, 03:12 AM

RX-7 perfect balance, you dont need gobs of ponies to drift, SKILL, which I could not probaly do

Soyo

05-08-2004, 05:56 PM

acctually Porsches are not that great to drift because of all the electronic suspension stuff they have and I think they have all wheel steering... anyways this is what I've heard, and that would make it very difficult to drift, although it can be done... deffinately not the best drift car though

NSX-R-SSJ20K

05-12-2004, 12:47 PM

nissan Silvia's have all wheel steering and there's nothing wrong with them. PS if you've seen any video with Tiff Needell + porsche's you would know what you just said is complete and utter shit.

Note he's the ukD1 judge.

Soyo

05-12-2004, 04:39 PM

hey your a fagg... I didn't say they can't... but its not the best drift car... why do idiots like you argue with people that don't even say what your yelling about? I never said they couldn't... fraking stupid people... dang

EDIT: oh yea and its called HICAS on the S-chasis and it can be disabled, and it doesn't steer the wheels like most AWS systems do... trust me I know because my cousin has a 240 with it

Boss San

05-12-2004, 07:55 PM

My friend has a Porsche 944 and it should be great for drifting when it's properly sorted. It does not have four-wheel steering or electronic suspension.
They are front engined, rear wheel drive. It has a 2.5litre (I believe) 8valve engine, and about 130-140hp for now.
That doesn't sound like a poor drifter to me.

drftk1d

05-12-2004, 11:49 PM

I think he was talking about the newer mid/rear engined Porches, like the Carerra (sp?), 911 GTx, etc.

The 944 is nice, though.

Is it just me, or do FC's look alot like 928's?

Bunta

05-14-2004, 07:50 AM

You guys have got to be shitting me. I can't believe the stuff I read in here. FRAK! Read a book, they don't bite.

drftk1d

05-14-2004, 09:44 AM

You guys have got to be shitting me. I can't believe the stuff I read in here. FRAK! Read a book, they don't bite.

FRAK you too.

RACER D12

05-14-2004, 08:44 PM

BMWs are pretty good drifters, like E30s.
If someone already said this then sorry

Boss San

05-30-2004, 08:24 PM

FC's, as in the one's everyone like's to drift are the Japanese competition with the front engined Porsche's. Why do people think drift cars all come from Japan? The Porsche's were on the market before most of the FC models. The 994 came out in like '83 in the U.S. and before that there were 928's and the like running around in the late seventies. Mazda, Nissan, Toyota all make good cars but people forget that cars are made in different countires.

drftk1d

06-01-2004, 01:04 PM

Boss San

06-01-2004, 06:13 PM

Where do you think Mazda got the design idea's for the FC.
Look to the fatherland.

ImolaEK

06-01-2004, 06:32 PM

S14 and S15 along with an FD RX7 are my picks.

sidewayzS13

06-23-2004, 02:08 PM

the s13 i think is slightly better then the s14 and s 15 and the s 14 is still a better drifter the the s15 but the fd rx7's are sick this guy asked about cheap drifters so why are we talking about porsche

Layla's Keeper

06-23-2004, 06:09 PM

Because a 924 can be picked up for under 2K, a 924 Turbo for under 5K, a 944 for under 7K, and a 944 Turbo for under 12K. Plus 928's are sub-8K and 928S4's are sub-15K cars.

The front engine Porsches are inexpensive and easy to tune. That why we're discussing them.

NSX-R-SSJ20K

06-25-2004, 05:13 PM

if its got wheels you can drift it. pretty much.

I didn't say how well you can drift it or how good it looks IE FF drifts don't look as good as FR drifts. But pretty much anything can drift.

End of discussion :D

Boss San

06-26-2004, 05:44 PM

Shhhh! You said FF and drift in the same sentence. Are you mad? Look out for the newb's! They're coming to post!! Ahhhhh!!! Run!

Ha ha!

joebowlr21

06-26-2004, 06:47 PM

Shhhh! You said FF and drift in the same sentence. Are you mad? Look out for the newb's! They're coming to post!! Ahhhhh!!! Run!

Ha ha!
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight :sly:

NSX-R-SSJ20K

06-27-2004, 06:04 PM

Shhhh! You said FF and drift in the same sentence. Are you mad? Look out for the newb's! They're coming to post!! Ahhhhh!!! Run!

Ha ha!
you do realise that FF can drift. Hence why there is nothing. Let me point this out to you

NOTHING ie absolutely nothing and i mean nothing - not a trace not a hint that Front wheel drive cars aren't allowed to enter D1 competitions in japan. This is in their rule books and pretty much means that FF's can drift.

o and that sarcasm and wit wasn't funny

Suislide

07-04-2004, 03:51 AM

if this so much as starts to turn into an FF vs FR debate (beyond what's already been posted), then this thread will see a padlock very soon (something that it might've needed a while ago, but i digress).

:)

szczecinek

07-10-2004, 01:58 AM

ummm silvia s13 or s15 are best for drifting.... actually ae86 sprinters are better but a high level of skill is needed to get good results from these....

szczecinek

07-10-2004, 02:42 AM

real men shift their own gears :smokin:

Boss San

07-12-2004, 06:42 PM

Yes and real girls love guys who know how to properly use thier stick. They can use it too when they want.

kman10587

07-12-2004, 07:09 PM

If I wanted to learn drifting, I'd buy some cheap old Mustang GT 5.0 or Camaro Z28 that I won't worry too much about banging up. And the abundant, linear power combined with rear-wheel-drive make them very driftable cars, especially with some choice suspension mods from the large aftermarket :)

mega man

07-12-2004, 08:24 PM

what about a first gen isuzu impulse? there rear wheel drive,cheap ,relativly light, and theres a really cheap way to get them to 300 hp.

ViciousX

07-25-2004, 05:21 PM

I'd have to say either a s13 with an sr20det with some suspension mods, or a hachi roku - said to be one of the very best drifting cars.

I'v owned both a hachi roku and an s13.
Personally i'd have to say i've had more fun with the s13 in drifting aspect. Currently my s13 has a sr20det and is turned into a sileighty and it drifts very well. The hachi roku on the other hand is quite a bit cheaper and drifts really well too.

JoonTae

08-19-2004, 08:43 PM

Hey you guys left out the porsche 914. Rear mounted RWD. No elec. suspension cause it's older. Light weight it's sick!

Suislide

08-19-2004, 10:14 PM

ok, honestly, this thread has gone way past it's usefullness.

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