Where's the GTO section in the Pontiac forum. How could they leave out a great muscle car, not to mention one that is returning next year. I think a GTO section should be added immediately. Thanks.

thats a good question, one of the better muscle cars in its time should have its own forum, but if it doesnt have one now, im sure it will by the beginning of 2004 seeing as they are bringing the GTO back into production.

Speaking of the 2004 GTO, I can't find any decent pictures. Please attach some if you got any. I gotta see what these look like- I was thinking of buying one to go with my '66 :)

I havent seen any good pictures either, and I work at a Pontiac dealership. The only picture I have seen really didn't impress me that much. Basically try to imagine a 2002 Grand Prix 2door with a bit more of a sleek body and an extra headlight on each side, kinda boring, especially since they are bringing back a great car.

Yea, the only picture I saw was a painting. But since you work at a Pontiac dealer, you will be one of the first people to see the car, or at least get information on it. So you can post information and pictures when you get it.

http://pontiac.com/pontiacjsp/passion/news/images/pn_gto_photo.jpg

http://pontiac.com/pontiacjsp/passion/news/main.jsp

also if u have the Triple X dvd theres a featurette in the "Xander Zone" section that has stuff on the new GTO its called " The GTO is Back" and its under featurettes in the xander zone ;) look like a really fancy cavalier to me but hey thats cool :D

Here is a better picture

http://www.fordvschevy.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=310489

Thanks, DeViL. But I am very dissapointed with the way they look. It looks just like a Grand Am, and Pontiac isn't bringing any of the features
of the original GTO's (like my '66, the most beautiful GTO ever created).
Hopefully the performance will make up for the lack of style.

Hi all,I have a few links that show the Holden Monaro(which the Pontiac GTO is derived from)
www.acay.com.au/~jbartok/Vic_MarkGTO.jpg
Is a picture of the GTO as used by Australian Poilice,Victoria,as pursuit cars.
www.holden.com.au
Holden's home page
www.hsv.com.au
This company modify GTO's

Long live the Aussie Monaro! well thats what your GTO is!

sure yours is a bit more upsized so to speak, but hey we have the HSV GTO and GTS and they kick the American GTO anyday.

stop your crying you should have excepted the monaro (sorry GTO) as it is in Australia! it looks F**KING Awsome. Lose the rear wing and boy you have one hell of a car!
aussie monaros come without a wing, only hsv cars come with one!

this is what happened to a Aussie HSV GTO after it meet with a Tree! lovely meeting actually it was a bashing Guess Who won the Tree!
all that remains of this wonderful car is the wheels and the HSV wing.

I'm glad it isn't going retro like those concept pictures of the new Mustangs. But yeah I do agree it looks like the rest of Pontiac's lineup, but the GTO is supposed to. If you look at the 66 GTO and the 66 Grand Prix, the design is very similar, just the Grand Prix is bigger.

Grand Am
http://www.pontiac.com/pontiacjsp/grandam/images/photo05_lg.jpg
Grand Prix
http://www.pontiac.com/pontiacjsp/grandprix/images/photo04_lg.jpg
GTO
http://www.fordvschevy.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=310489

Aussie version looks far better IMO.
http://www.aushomepage.com.au/Article/637/700.jpg

Im a bit disappointed on how it looks being a GTO but I'll get over it. I work in the detail bay at a pontiac dealership so I'll be one of the first people in my town to drive one:D I can't wait.

Here are some of the official Pics of the GTO:)

http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL77/853338/1566691/18356372.jpg

http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL77/853338/1566691/18356385.jpg

http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL77/853338/1566691/18356381.jpg

http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL77/853338/1566691/18356367.jpg

Looking at these pictures makes me want to cry :( They have destroyed the GTO's image, and they copied off of a different car. I am very angry with Pontiac for slapping a GTO symbol on a typical Pontiac, not to mention an Aussie car. This is horrible :(

when will they lose that rear wing?

do you have a problem with aussie cars?
what there to balls for you americans?
you guys went an stuffed a bloody fantastic car buy placing shit front end on it and then putting the rear wing which look bloody awful!
Us aussies imported your mustang, we altered it and its still shit!
this car is worth the monaro badge which it has in australia so let me tell you this car is well worth your GTO!
it dissapoints me that your happy to critise this car yet you have never driven it! if looks were everything then pontiac would be out of business.

its not a bad looking car....i mean...well....its just...it isn't a GTO. the least they couldve done is make it look a little more aggresive. itd make a really nice next generation grand prix. i take that back, nice looking grand am, i like the grand prix better than this. but still its not a GTO. not anyway you look at it. im kinda disspointed. im looking forward more to the new mustang than this. shoudnt be.

Venom, I agree 110%.

At least the New GTO has a V-8 in it. But they should look more agressive in the front.

It seems like every time I see pictures of a non usa production vehicle I have to say, why cant we get that here!
It seems like the few times GM brings one over and Americanises it
they screw it up. I'm thinking of the crew cab S -10. It was available all over the world. When they finaly brought it to the U.S. they gave it a 4 foot bed, and nobody bought it. they should have offered at least a standard length short bed as an option. I just hope they do well with the GTO.
I do like it, but like the monaro better.

I read something that said that they were made in Australia.?

The holden monaro, that the GTO is based on, is built in australia.
My guess would be that the GTO would be built here,
or at least in Canada or mexico, for economic reasons.

Oh ok, thought that was weird when i saw it the first time, so thought i would ask.

Originally posted by aztecsugly
The holden monaro, that the GTO is based on, is built in australia.
My guess would be that the GTO would be built here,
or at least in Canada or mexico, for economic reasons.

You might guess that, but you'd be wrong. The GTO is being imported from Australia. It doesn't make economic sense to build 18,000 of them a year in North America.

I thought so

Originally posted by SuPeRcAr_MaN
Looking at these pictures makes me want to cry :( They have destroyed the GTO's image, and they copied off of a different car. I am very angry with Pontiac for slapping a GTO symbol on a typical Pontiac, not to mention an Aussie car. This is horrible :(

We didn't destroy your GTO's image ... you did it all by yourselves. The last few years of GTO were shameful pathetic junk. Just be grateful thanks to us Aussies that Pontiac will actually have a RWD ... ANY rear-drive .. vehicle to sell. As of now, Pontiac doesn't even offer V8s .. let alone RWD. And what is the most powerful engine Pontiac offers with a manual transmission these days? Is it a 4 cylinder LOL! So much for Pontiac's slogan of: 'We sell excitement' (more like excrement)

Btw, here's what happens when GM slaps a GTO symbol on a "typical Pontiac" like this hideous fat-ass 1973 GTO

To use your quote .. "This is horrible"

hey man, no need to get rough, the seventies sucked for most of us. like i said above, its not a bad car, but it isnt a gto, badge it le mans, badge it whatever u want, just dont badge it gto, cause it doesnt have the right spirit.... and to some of us that more important

We didn't destroy your GTO's image ... you did it all by yourselves. The last few years of GTO were shameful pathetic junk. Just be grateful thanks to us Aussies that Pontiac will actually have a RWD ... ANY rear-drive .. vehicle to sell. As of now, Pontiac doesn't even offer V8s .. let alone RWD. And what is the most powerful engine Pontiac offers with a manual transmission these days? Is it a 4 cylinder LOL! So much for Pontiac's slogan of: 'We sell excitement' (more like excrement)

I don't think you destroyed it at all. Im happy to see the new GTO. The only reason that these people don't like them that well is b/c they don't have "the older style front end". The GTO is great and after looking and reading up on things about this new automobile that you brought to Pontiac and us here in the US is a dream. I no doubt will compete hard with the Corvette and stomp the new Mustangs. Im a GM fan and kind of agree with this.......

here's what happens when GM slaps a GTO symbol on a "typical Pontiac" like this hideous fat-ass 1973 GTO

They did mess the GTO up in that year. But this time looks as if Pontiac has brought the beast back.
:)

1973-74 "GTOs" are not GTOs at all. I dont consider those years a GTO at all. The GTO modle didn't exist in those years. And the GTO wasn't the only muscle car that was ruined in those years.

And I got no problem with your Aussie GTO. Infact I like it. But keep it down under. Pontiac should come up with their own design that reflects the true GTO muscle car of the 60's. I have said stuff like this too much. Read my other posts. I think my oppinion was clearly stated.

What the hell is that 1973 car then? A monte carlo?? im thinking. Yes Supercar man....your opinions have been stated and i hope all mine are now.:)

Originally posted by venom800R
... it isnt a gto, badge it le mans, badge it whatever u want, just dont badge it gto, cause it doesnt have the right spirit.... and to some of us that more important

So what you're saying is that image is more important than how a GTO drives/performs etc..? :rolleyes:

What sort of 'spirit' is supposedly embodied by 'gto' anyway? What does this mean? Out-of-tune carbies, narrow bias-ply redlines, chintzy woodrim steering wheel, live axle rear, drum brakes all 'round, terminal understeer and joy-of-joys a water-logged tacho on the hood?

So much for past glories

Current Monaros outperform, outhandle, outbrake and are of higher quality than any stock GTO ever built. It wasn't Holden but Lutz & GM who chose to rename the Monaro, but who gives a rat's arse what moniker GM select for it anyway? Not me, I'm disinclined to be impressed by manufactured teen imagery. As an enthusiast I'd be more interested in how it drives. Pity that you aren't

Originally posted by SuPeRcAr_MaN
1973-74 "GTOs" are not GTOs at all. I dont consider those years a GTO at all. The GTO modle didn't exist in those years. And the GTO wasn't the only muscle car that was ruined in those years.
So you don't consider 73-74 GTOs like the one in my photo to exist? What about the even-worse 75s? Are they all a fantasy? .. More probably something that should be best forgotten and swept under the carpet. If you could find a rug that big .. Ha!

Pontiac should come up with their own design that reflects the true GTO muscle car of the 60's. I have said stuff like this too much.
Before you say too much more Einstein .. have you taken just a moment of your time to consider exactly what platform your imaginary-GTO could actually be built ON? Pontiac has NO passenger-car RWD platforms on which to base your dreams upon.

Excluding Corvette, there are only two RWD passenger-car platforms in the entire 'GM world'. Sigma (far too expensive for a GTO) and Holden V-car

Originally posted by Thunda Downunda


So what you're saying is that image is more important than how a GTO drives/performs etc..? :rolleyes:
Yes and no

What sort of 'spirit' is supposedly embodied by 'gto' anyway? What does this mean? Out-of-tune carbies, narrow bias-ply redlines, chintzy woodrim steering wheel, live axle rear, drum brakes all 'round, terminal understeer and joy-of-joys a water-logged tacho on the hood?
Thanks for pointing out to all of us the probelm with LOTS of older cars.


So much for past glories
Ya dont like it, :flipa: who cares?

Current Monaros outperform, outhandle, outbrake and are of higher quality than any stock GTO ever built. It wasn't Holden but Lutz & GM who chose to rename the Monaro, but who gives a rat's arse what moniker GM select for it anyway? Not me, I'm disinclined to be impressed by manufactured teen imagery. As an enthusiast I'd be more interested in how it drives. Pity that you aren't
First off, the monaros are built with tons more technology and crpa than any car back in the day. you cant even compare. second of all, I care what they name it. From an american muscle car enthusiasts point of view, the GTO was a special car, it represented something specially american, inexpensive, raw muscle, with that beautiful classic american style. and it was one fo the first to officially put all that as it's mission.
I never said i didnt care about how it handled. I dont care if they use the monaros platform, the ls1 is tried and true, what I am saying, is that it looks nothing like a GTO should, regardless of whats underneath the skin. YES it shoudl be ridiculously fast and handle well, but thats not the only important thingYOu can but a v-8 in a mini and call it a GTO, no one would believe it, but you could call it a gto. its a handsome car, but it lacks the character a car bearing the GTO name should have. you obviously dont get the point. character, thats what its about. new cars lack character, this one should not. its an american icon, and its coming to OUR shores, so screw you and what you think about it. You dont have to drive it.

Hey Einstein, there was no 1975 GTO. And 1973-4 GTOs did exist, and the actually were on of the faster cars in their class. Gas shortages and safety killed muscle cars in the early to mid 70's, thus the hideous GTOs, Chevelles, and almost all other muscle cars. And there isn't anything wrong with the new GTOs performanse etc. I was referring to the styling when I stated my disliking of it. It is not a present day muscle car like it should be. The GTO name is the unly muscle car feature on its hole body. Now I am sick of arguing. Good-bye.

Have no idea were the year of 75 GTO came from. 1974 was the last year of them being made.

Here is the way I see it. the first GTO was built, when Delorean
put a big engine in a small (for the time) car, without GM's permission.
To look at it that way, it is a car that shouldn't exist.

The monaro is a car not intended for the US, untill Lutz said to bring them over. Now we will have a car that is small with a big engine.
It is also different from anything GM (america) is doing, ie. V-8
front engine rear drive.
Personally I hate front wheel drivers. I may have to take a serious look at the GTO, regardless of the name.

Where is the dual exhaust??? :mad: I like the car but thats what ticks me off most about it.
http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL77/853338/1566691/18356367.jpg

That thing sure does need some duels. They did that so older folks can buy it..:mad: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by DeViL
Where is the dual exhaust??? :mad: I like the car but thats what ticks me off most about it.

Apparently, some years of final-generation Pontiac T/A (F-Body) etc had dual exhaust exit splits which branched off from a single pipe. However the '04 does have a true dual exhaust system all the way through

Apparently, some years of final-generation Pontiac T/A (F-Body) etc had dual exhaust exit splits which branched off from a single pipe. However the '04 does have a true dual exhaust system all the way through

You are telling me that the 04 has duel throughout the bottom of the car. Well If thats the case why didn't they make them not so close together. Should have been One Pipe exit on each side.

Originally posted by Scott 02


You are telling me that the 04 has duel throughout the bottom of the car. Well If thats the case why didn't they make them not so close together. Should have been One Pipe exit on each side.

Well .. isn't this another of those 'form over substance' debates which has plagued & typified US reaction to the 04 since its announcement?

I'd agree that widely-spaced exits look better. However like most enthusiasts I'd prefer a true dual system to a psuedo one. Though I no longer have the article handy to check, I have read that's what Holden have specified/planned for the GTO. Certainly, other local Commodore V8 variants run duals

To answer your question Scott, since 1978 Holden V-cars have evolved using a r/h offset & underslung fuel tank occupying 3/4ths of the rear underbody (with r/h/s filler) leaving room at the extreme l/h/s for an upright (vertical mount) spare tyre with exhaust exit below. Obviously this gives more boot (trunk) room. My guess is that although the tank has been repositioned over the diff to satisfy US regs regarding crash safety, the rest of the underbody fittings or architecture at present precludes a wide split, and due to time constraints for rushed US delivery, either Holden didn't have enough time to re-engineer the change - or deemed the delay/cost unjustified

The wa I look at it is that even though they arent spread apart like we are used to, that doesnt mean that they arent duals, as clerified by previous posts, so in light of that, the only thing that is causing anger is the spacing between the pipes. If it sounds fine, and works fine let it be, besides, if you want them to come out on each side, just put your own duals or something on it.

Your right. I just figured if they were going to run duels from the motor to the rear, then it should have been spaced out. If it sounds good i'd just leave it alone. I just think since it has a V-8 it should have had the pipes on exit spaced out so it would resemble a 66 GTO beter. Its still all good. :)