OK, first time post here, and the first thing I notice is the little smilie flipin me off, doesn't that go against the terms?

OK, to the point, what is the best street racing car to buy, and that doesn't require to buy a new engine and so on?

Originally posted by SeanSays2U
OK, first time post here, and the first thing I notice is the little smilie flipin me off, doesn't that go against the terms?


No.

Well considering there are no restrictions on what car I woud say a supercar like the Enzo unless the street has potholes cuz that would suck.

Hmm well that question is so vague you'll get every owner type who will say they're brand of car is best...

But your restriction on not swaping motors... hmmm

Well Just about any classic domestic can be turned into a boulevard bruiser with just a few bolt ons, including the newer F-Body LT-1s and LS-1s.

Most imports also have a good engine to base off of, Hondas can be made decently quick with bolt-ons. Turbos and Superchargers are popular.


I guess it just narrows down to what your prefferences are. Im sure whatever that is somebody here can help you with your choice.

Honda's are easy to fix up and have a huge collection of nice little parts as well. You didn't put many restrictions on here, I was guessing typical street racing cars, not supercars or anything. Maybe a 'Teg GSR to start out with.

If you don't mean typical, but still street racers, I'm going to say Skyline (GTR). Cuz those are insane and they're like the street machine all the civics, maximas and 'tegs want to be when they grow up.

Cyprus, in all seriousness, how do you argue Hondas are the best cars for street racing when you can't swap engines?

I'd say go for a 1970 Copo Nova... Lightweight, big block, can't really go wrong... Maybe a 69 Mach 1 Mustang, same deal, but a little heavier.

If you're not willing to consider classic cars, or you're one of those people who won't consider anything that's not Japanese :rolleyes: , go with a RX7 Turbo II, you can get about as much power as you can put down on street tires.

Something I've been looking at is the Thunderbird Super Coupe. Very heavy at 3900 lbs, but it comes stock with a forged crank, and rods. The 94/95 models made 230hp, and 330ftlbs. On the stock crank, these things can make 400hp, 500ftlbs, and push a T-bird into the 12s. They get good gas mileage on the highway, and are comfy as hell. They also have a good independent rear suspension, so they are quite capable of good handling as well, despite their heavy curb weight.

http://members.tccoa.com/superboom/AJs_Car.jpg

300ZX!!! j/k!

this thread is an argument waiting to happen. :rolleyes:
anyway welcome to AF SeanSays2U. :wave:

Welcome indeed, and I hope you are willing to love a car based on it's merits, not who makes it :)

Don't be one of these chumps who just falls into a brand/country loyalty camp, because you'll be missing out on 95% of the good cars out there ;)

Don't get me wrong I love my Nissan, but the people you speakof are like Nazi's!....We will call them "Car Nazi's"!

Hmm If american i agree with redneck on the Ls1/Lt1. If japanese I'd say go for an older Supra (MKIII) turbo.

Ok now to the alterior motive of this post. CBass how different is the previous generation of supercoupe (the ? to 93's) from the 94/95s? I'm considering that generation and ditching my 3.8 because I think the 94 and up supercoupes would be too expensive.

Exactly! I hate people like that... I love all cars, even cars like the Aztek, and the Yugo.

But I hate the Trabant! HATE HATE HATE :mad:

http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~esakokki/trabant.jpg
http://www.c3.hu/~fotomuz/arch/trabant.jpg

Originally posted by Cbass
Welcome indeed, and I hope you are willing to love a car based on it's merits, not who makes it :)

Don't be one of these chumps who just falls into a brand/country loyalty camp, because you'll be missing out on 95% of the good cars out there ;)
I agree many promising cars out there. But there's nothing wrong with honda's cbass. D-series civic motors can be worked with just as well as a B-series or H-series as shown by kris in the past. (rx7/porshe nazi!) j/p buddy. :D

Originally posted by SeanSays2U

OK, to the point, what is the best street racing car to buy, and that doesn't require to buy a new engine and so on?
does "and so on" mean, fast completely stock? What kind of budget are you working with?

I suppose, but everyone and their dog has a Civic... do something different! You did a del Sol for instance, and while it's still technically a Civic, you don't see that many!

You really can't go wrong with a V8 though, reliable, parts are cheap, and they run on pump gas. What's the point of getting 30mpg if it's on gas that costs nearly twice as much?

That's my one complaint about turbocharged engines :(

Porsche 914 with worked 350!...CLICK!

Honda I hope you mean NSX cuz the rest are shopping trolly's that nanna drives right :D :p

Street cars well do you mean production, limited production, stock standard, modified or race specc'ed, or what?

My opinion on base models with only ecu, filter(s) and exhaust done.

Production

Amercian
Viper or one of the various Corvettes

Japanese
Skyline GTR, NSX

Euro
TVR, Porsche, Farreri you choose

Originally posted by DemonZX
Porsche 914 with worked 350!...CLICK!

Now that's what I'm talkin bout!

How about the 67' Shelby 427! Now that is a true street car!

You mean the 427 Cobra SC, or the GT500 Mustang? The Mustang used the 428, but that's because the insurance companies didn't want to insure a car with the FE Nascar engine... :(

SC! But of course! Even though the GT500 is one of my dream cars!

I've been thinking of building a Cobra replica with a 6.8 Triton V10... They only make 310hp stock, but with good exhaust, 10:1 compression, and lot's of cam duration, I think they could do 400-500hp.

That would be pretty damn nice!

Originally posted by SeanSays2U
what is the best street racing car to buy, and that doesn't require to buy a new engine and so on?
McLaren F1 (if you have the budget to work with) ;)

Since most street racers are working on limited funds, I'll advise you to do one of three things.

1: Find a 1979-1993 5.0L Mustang. Cheap, light, easy to drive power, and they sort of handle. I prefer the 2.3L Turbo 'Stangs of that generation, but I'm a tech nut who'd also try to figure out how to fabricate mounts for attaching the '03 SVT Cobra IRS. The aftermarket is swamped with 5.0L V-8 Parts, and the cars actually are fairly efficient. Just be careful. Cops tail Mustangs like nobodies business. Camaro drivers have it worse, though.

2: Buy a 1989-1993 Nissan 240SX, then shop for an SR20DET. This is a hot import setup that actually makes sense. It's fast, relatively cheap, figure $1500 for the car and then $1500 for the DET, then another $500 in parts to install it (stronger clutch, rewired harness, new powersteering lines). These cars will hold their own against 70% of what's out there, and are very versatile (carve corners, drift, drag, and still operate economically). Plus the hatches have great cargo area. ^_^

3: (personal opinion) Classic small British sports cars! ^____^ The little ones (under 1600cc) aren't very fast, but corner like mad! The big cars (between 1600cc and 3000cc) have grunt, and still corner like mad. Good examples that can be found for inexpensive prices are-

Triumph Spitfire (little)
MG Midget (little)
Austin-Healey Sprite (little)
MGB (big car- 1.8L four)
Triumph TR4 through TR6 (BIG car- 3.0L six)
Triumph Spitfire GT-6 (big car- 3.0L six)
Sunbeam Tiger (BIG car, 260ci V-8, later 289ci)

If any of these engines sound small to you. Remember two things; the heaviest car in this group is the Triumph TR4 at around a tankish 2100lbs(?!) and there are kits out there (many factory based) to put the Rover 3.5L aluminum V-8 into these cars. You'll be distinctive, you'll be fast, and there is no sensation that can match that of classic British motoring. :angel:

Originally posted by Cyprus106
If you don't mean typical, but still street racers, I'm going to say Skyline (GTR). Cuz those are insane and they're like the street machine all the civics, maximas and 'tegs want to be when they grow up.

i want my integra to grow up into a skyline...if i give it good gas and lots an lots of cool clean air, then it'll grow up to be a twin turbo beast rite? j/k...:p i like that quote tho...its pretty much the truth...most import drivers wish they could roll in a skyline.

That is just to broad, and you can't name any one car as being the ultimate street racing car. That is just not possible. Also are talking about stock, or can be modified to do so? I can make a Geo Metro kick a Skyline's ass in every way. It is all a matter of time and money. There is always someone with a car and skills better than yours.

:( bursting our bubble...j/k it is pretty broad, but stock, thats the car i'd take.

street machine all the civics, maximas and 'tegs want to be when they grow up.

he said race cars, not econo boxes :p

i'd say mk3 supra. intake, exhaust, boost controller = instant 300 to the wheels.
cant beat that for under $5k. or in my case, under $2k including price of car.:finger:

:confused: skyline?? :confused:
in japan, they call those things taxi cabs. i'd take an mk4 supra, an FD, 3kgt vr-4, or TT 300zx over one of those things anyday. and with the money left over, mod the thing to hell and back

-j

Originally posted by supra-rx7

:confused: skyline?? :confused:
in japan, they call those things taxi cabs.
-j
you think a R34 Skyline GT-R is a taxi cab? Your joking right?:confused:

I think i would laugh my ass off if i would go in japan and take a skyline cab v-specII nontheless. It would be the biggest bubble burst in history.:D

:uhoh: Uh, this guy's not serious right?

Originally posted by supra-rx7

in japan, they call those things taxi cabs. i'd take an mk4 supra, an FD, 3kgt vr-4, or TT 300zx over one of those things anyday. and with the money left over, mod the thing to hell and back

-j

I was just making a comment to the above post.

We know, We know! That guy----->:bloated:

Originally posted by Razorgtst
Honda I hope you mean NSX cuz the rest are shopping trolly's that nanna drives right :D :p

honda makes sports models and econo. models just like everyone else.
example- civic si
-type R integra
-type S prelude
but yes the NSX ownz.

Originally posted by Neutrino
I think i would laugh my ass off if i would go in japan and take a skyline cab v-specII nontheless. It would be the biggest bubble burst in history.:D
I think I'd have to take a job there as a cab driver.......:D

:confused: what are you talking about j? i don't kno if ur joking or not, but they use the skylines for their law enforcement and also people just buy them as daily drivers, not as taxis. there was no price limit on this, so the skyline is an obvious choice. if u want to see real power for under 2k, then buy american. im sure you could push more than 300hp under 2k. and u wanna talk about econo boxes? who makes supras? toyota. who also makes just as many econoboxes as honda. every car company has a bunch of family cars for the general public, then their "super-cars" such as the Skyline, or the Rx-7, or the NSX, the Viper, etc...so before you start completely bringin down a car to bein a taxi, atleast know what ur talking about. :silly2:

Series 2 RX7 with a built 347 stroker Ford. 450hp on pump gas, 50/50 weight balance, 2300lbs. Mariah widebody kit and Turbo II brakes and suspension.

http://www.atlantarx7.com/images/mariah%20body%20Kit.jpg

This is what mine will look like, although it will be very different mechanically ;)

:eek2: CLICK!

Yeah, it should do high 10s with an AutoX suspension setup. Not bad, eh?

Of course, it would take at least $3000 to build an engine like that... You could just build a 9.5:1 302, port the stock heads, add a Trick Flow intake, a cam and get an EEC tuner... Bam, 350hp.

Originally posted by Cbass
That's my one complaint about turbocharged engines :(

That would be my complaint about crap pump gas :p Seriously, we get 98 octane - which is crap, but it's ok for turbocharged engines. And anyway, if you've got an n/a with any sort of decent compression ratio you're going to need decent petrol too.

Originally posted by supra-rx7

:confused: skyline?? :confused:
in japan, they call those things taxi cabs. -j

:huh: They actually call them God of Fighters, or Battle God (choose your translation :p). I'd like to see a taxi cab so fast it was instrumental in the demise of international Group A racing :finger:

OWNED

http://www.angelfire.com/mac/tru1/MISC.html

Ah the GTR, king of the BATTLE! The emblem on the rear is from the R of the unbeaten legend ;)

Speaking of which, did Takeshi ever win a race? I've only got volumes 1-3 of the translated manga and 1st stage Japanese fansubs.

I still say that you should look into an ex-Cosmos 3 row for your 1st gen RX-7 project. I will contend to that with my next to dying breath. My dying breath is reserved for (gets all starry eyed) Mihoshi. I will find a real version of her!

Pffft, they must suck, they got beat by a Toyota Trueno, otherwise known as the Corolla in the states. :p

j/k

Yeah, but that was Takumi driving... Besides, it was a Trueno GT-Apex.

pffff Tureno GT - Apex. Eat them for breaky and dont even have to shift out of third gear :p

oppps did i make fun of everyone's hero?
the r34 GTR?

i didnt say that a GTR model was a taxi...i said skyline....as in the old base slow ass FR no turbo models, everyone just assumed TT 4wd i6 vspec...blah blah

as for the R34....well it has so many damn electronic controls it doesnt even need a driver.....i bet my 14 year old sister could drive it without wrecking...what happened to the good ol' days before traction control and ABS...those things are for ppl who drive slow and cant handle booooooost
-j

I think I might take a vacation in NZ, and bring an engine with me... just so I can buy a Trueno, swap it out, and own that Skyline! :p

Come on, it would be funny :hehehe:

Originally posted by supra-rx7
oppps did i make fun of everyone's hero?
the r34 GTR?

i didnt say that a GTR model was a taxi...i said skyline....as in the old base slow ass FR no turbo models, everyone just assumed TT 4wd i6 vspec...blah blah

as for the R34....well it has so many damn electronic controls it doesnt even need a driver.....i bet my 14 year old sister could drive it without wrecking...what happened to the good ol' days before traction control and ABS...those things are for ppl who drive slow and cant handle booooooost
-j

you know everyone does assume that when you say skyline ppl think gtr but the base model does suck just as much as a civic as a sports car. why do you think they call it a civic it refers to people. kinda like the idea of the original VW. sure both companies make better cars but the civic and the beetle arent exactly performance. but anyway hes got a point and i have seen a skyline taxi. as for the skyline looks id have to say i find them a bit overrated.

-GTi-VR6_A3

The Skyline GT-R is the RB26DETT engine relay's outstanding power levels along with the most tunable engine in the world. the GTR is equipped with a DOHC 24-valve in-line 6-cylinder engine with twin ceramic turbochargers and an intercooler. The engine's maximum torque output has been increased by 1.5 kg-m to 37.5 kg-m at 4400 rpm as a result old various improving, including raising the peak boost pressure of the turbochargers, revising the computer control limits/ parameters and improving the intercooler. Pick-up performance in the intermediate speed range has been enhanced through more accurate computer control over the operation of the engine. How could anyone speak of this engine as overrated? Performance wise even the lower model skyline's show a great amount of room for impovement/tunability.
Originally posted by supra-rx7
as for the R34....well it has so many damn electronic controls it doesnt even need a driver.....i bet my 14 year old sister could drive it without wrecking...what happened to the good ol' days before traction control and ABS...those things are for ppl who drive slow and cant handle booooooost
-j
(on the contrary you have to have balls to drive this car)
Welcome to the future......... get with the times grampa..........

Originally posted by GTi-VR6_A3


you know everyone does assume that when you say skyline ppl think gtr but the base model does suck just as much as a civic as a sports car. why do you think they call it a civic it refers to people. kinda like the idea of the original VW. sure both companies make better cars but the civic and the beetle arent exactly performance. but anyway hes got a point and i have seen a skyline taxi. as for the skyline looks id have to say i find them a bit overrated.

-GTi-VR6_A3

I wouldn't underestimate the GTS4 R32. It is basiclly a 2 litre version of the GTR but only a single turbo. there are quite a number of them here in NZ which would shat all over even a moderately tuned 2jz Supra, Series 7 RX and GTR!. In Japan there is a group that run 10's consistantly and these are reg'ed road cars still with the 2 litre engine. All the running gear is nearly identical to the GTR is is maginably smaller but none the less just as effective and also is about 100KG's lighter.

I find it ironic that most people who make statements such as yourself also live in the States where you are unlikely to ever see a Skyline GTR let alone own or ride in one.

thats why skylines dont even really matter hehe no offense to the owners out there. maybe if i sat in one or drove it id fell the same as all of you but for now im not too impressed. i am a tad but it could improve on looks imho

-GTi-VR6_A3

grandpa? im 18.
im not talking about the engine...sure the rb series are great motors, and i wouldnt mine one...but i'd take a 2j over it anyday..as for skylines ...they're just too over-rated here in america...all these little ricers see one and they faint. all that money just for an 4WD boxey supra with a whole bunch of electronics.

The Skyline GT-R is the RB26DETT engine relay's outstanding power levels along with the most tunable engine in the world. the GTR is equipped with a DOHC 24-valve in-line 6-cylinder engine with twin ceramic turbochargers and an intercooler. The engine's maximum torque output has been increased by 1.5 kg-m to 37.5 kg-m at 4400 rpm as a result old various improving, including raising the peak boost pressure of the turbochargers, revising the computer control limits/ parameters and improving the intercooler. Pick-up performance in the intermediate speed range has been enhanced through more accurate computer control over the operation of the engine. How could anyone speak of this engine as overrated? Performance wise even the lower model skyline's show a great amount of room for impovement/tunability.

wow, copy and paste huh? i dont really see a point to this post....if u want i could go blab for hours about the 2j, 1j,7m, or the 13b even.

for the price...the skyline is not worth it, and as its car type....it is more towards a luxuary-sport car than a true sports car. i mean look at it....its a box...and this ATTESA 4 wheel steering, 4 wheel drive traction control ABS stuff.....they make those for old ppl in luxuary cars who cant drive for crap....sports car are supposed to have good drivers....if u race 2 similar cars...one with abs and traction control, the other with no forms of these, and both cars have good drivers, the one without the electronics will win.

believe it or not kiddies, u launch faster with out traction control, and u can stop faster with out ABS than with it, it just takes practice...and that is what makes a racer good. u have to be one with your car....bond with it, love it! it will become part of u, and then u will appriciate all that it can do for you
:D

Hybrid buddy ol pal remember that talk we had on AIM? hehehe... he's only about 8 hours up the coast from me...

Want me to take a trip? :D

heh, u gonna drive all the way from la to see me? am i gonna get beat up for making fun of your god? :confused:

i'm scared:)

oh....and have u guys even seen a skyline in real life? i have, in fact i saw it in action... a silver R33 from san fran...slightly modded with exhaust, fmic, ebc....it lost to a bpu TT supra....but, it took out another less modded supra the same night....so i know it has power like u guys say....but the driver...well lets just say cant tell a torque wrench from a c-clamp...he is all talk
i never cared for skylines....but after meeting this guy, i now dont like them...sure he's just one person....but how many skyline owners do u know?

when he modded his skyline, he talked all this shit to my friend who has a stock tt supra....then my friend got a few mods, and the skyline owner refuses to even look at him, much less line up against him...
:confused:

but he has an almighty skyline, they can never lose

-j

Beat you up? Hell no... I've got cars that do the work for me.:sun:

Hybridsol is probably the smartest person on AF when it comes to cars in general. His specialty is Japanese, specificly Hondas. Now I know you like the flame people, and argue for no reason... So whatever. Hybridsol knows his shit, and doesnt talk shit either. He states facts... Like me.

And No the Skyline is not my God... pfff. Sure its nice, but I've seen better.

What's this I hear about you driving your Supra into a parked Cop Car?;)

Originally posted by RedNeck383
Hybrid buddy ol pal remember that talk we had on AIM? hehehe... he's only about 8 hours up the coast from me...

Want me to take a trip? :D
yes I do remember, and by all means redneck....by all means..... go get TV and make a road trip out of it. :D

where did I copy and paste that from? Its common knowledge........ I'm a mechanical engineer in specialized ECU design......every car operates under advanced computer modification (older model's not as advanced, yet present) don't even get me started on your beloved supra, its a 7M-GTE right? The newer TT supra's are computerized right down to CRL sensors. Power meter's, turbo timer's, boost controllers. (Incase you haven't noticed I'm a honda fan) I just think degrading a car of that caliper is blasphemous. Shure there's cars I dislike, but do you see me making taxi cab jokes about them? You said you knew of one person that owned a skyline....thats a pretty big stereotype, to think all skyline drivers are like the one you know, don't you think?

*jumps up and down*

OWNZ JOO!!!


Hahahah... I had to say it.

*shrugs* Ok, back to my reading...

Originally posted by RedNeck383
*jumps up and down*

OWNZ JOO!!!


Hahahah... I had to say it.

*shrugs* Ok, back to my reading...

sorry j but they kinda do have a point here but hahah who really cares.

-GTi-VR6_A3

i told you, in japan there are taxi cans that are base model skylines

and come on and bring it, i doubt i will win because im only expecting 270-290rwhp when it goes to the dyno on the 4th, but im not scared to lose.

and i only bashed the skyline because everyone makes a big deal about it like its special...the only special thing about it is that it wasn't sold here
its the same class as all the other TT imports here.
of course the engines are electronically controlled...shit i check the ecu codes every week it seems with this piece of crap....its always burning the check engine light and breaking hoses...my point is, the skyline has a lot of electronic devices for things that are driver dependent in most sports cars.

and as for hybridsol, i never doubted his intelligence, i just didnt understand why he would put something about the rb26

so come on up to san fran. and on the up stop in goleta and slap my ex for me, that dirty cheatin ho!

anytime, just bring it
-j

Originally posted by supra-rx7
i told you, in japan there are taxi cans that are base model skylines

and come on and bring it, i doubt i will win because im only expecting 270-290rwhp when it goes to the dyno on the 4th, but im not scared to lose.

and i only bashed the skyline because everyone makes a big deal about it like its special...the only special thing about it is that it wasn't sold here
its the same class as all the other TT imports here.
of course the engines are electronically controlled...shit i check the ecu codes every week it seems with this piece of crap....its always burning the check engine light and breaking hoses...my point is, the skyline has a lot of electronic devices for things that are driver dependent in most sports cars.

and as for hybridsol, i never doubted his intelligence, i just didnt understand why he would put something about the rb26

so come on up to san fran. and on the up stop in goleta and slap my ex for me, that dirty cheatin ho!

anytime, just bring it
-j

thats j for ya guys. always ready to race even though he might loose. someday j when you get enough $$$ your car will get reallly friggin fast. until then keep on movin on up...

-GTi-VR6_A3

Originally posted by supra-rx7
grandpa? im 18.
im not talking about the engine...sure the rb series are great motors, and i wouldnt mine one...but i'd take a 2j over it anyday..as for skylines ...they're just too over-rated here in america...all these little ricers see one and they faint. all that money just for an 4WD boxey supra with a whole bunch of electronics.

wow, copy and paste huh? i dont really see a point to this post....if u want i could go blab for hours about the 2j, 1j,7m, or the 13b even.

for the price...the skyline is not worth it, and as its car type....it is more towards a luxuary-sport car than a true sports car. i mean look at it....its a box...and this ATTESA 4 wheel steering, 4 wheel drive traction control ABS stuff.....they make those for old ppl in luxuary cars who cant drive for crap....sports car are supposed to have good drivers....if u race 2 similar cars...one with abs and traction control, the other with no forms of these, and both cars have good drivers, the one without the electronics will win.

believe it or not kiddies, u launch faster with out traction control, and u can stop faster with out ABS than with it, it just takes practice...and that is what makes a racer good. u have to be one with your car....bond with it, love it! it will become part of u, and then u will appriciate all that it can do for you
:D

1. ABS is standard equipment on all hi performance cars produced in the states and Europe, funny that.
2. ATTESA 4 wheel steering, um what is that? ATTESA is the 4wd drive system. The HICAS is 4 wheel steering but is only active beyond 80kph and is @ .5 of a degree movement. Honda has used a simular system but it works under 20kph for parking.
4. 4wd traction control? Um *bling* No GTR has traction control. If you are refering to the vicus progressive 4wd system or ATTESA it uses throttle postion, cogs on each axle, and G-force sensors and will transmit varying percentages of torque to the front wheels based on the information recieved by these components.
5. You can stop faster without ABS? Maybe you should go and teach the F1 and Indy car drivers how to drive.
6. "the one without the electronics will win"? I guess you have never watched and understoof an F1 car, porsche, Corvette, Viper, etc.
7. Price? Maybe in the States they are over priced, but since MotoRex is the only place that can get them reg'ed you pay for that. Considering they sell for the following here. R32 GTR @ $15,000 USD, R33 GTR @ $22,000 USD, R34 @ $50,000 USD, while a 90's Mustang GT will set you back@ $40,000 USD here! I could say the same.

As far as the shape the R33 is more "boxy" than the R32. The R34 improved the look greatly. Now bearing in mind there is a factory front mounted I/C so the large grilled opening serves a purpose of performance rather than looks.

The Skyline is not the ultimate production road car, but it has set records with 3 models on the race track in stock trim. If you think an GTR is easy to drive when pushed to over 500hp I guess you have no comprehension. Push it too hard in a corner and back out of the throttle and you will unlock the lsd diffs and go right around unlike a RWD car. You have to have huge balls once you get it out of shape and put your foot into it more! You also get quite a bit of torque steer once the rear wheels break free, couple that with oversteer you better know how to drive. Unlike a true 4wd it takes a lot of understanding on how to control it. Base on your statements you haven't got a clue about the skyline. Maybe you should stick with cars you are more familiar with as all your doing is making statements about the technical information you haven't got the foggiest idea of. It is times like this I sit back and laugh.

While I may not be fully up on the Supra's or the RX's, i am however quite versed in the Skyline.
And for the record mod for mod the 2jz motor is simular to the RB26 in performance but the supra will lose out given equal drivers and mods. There are quite a few supra guys I know of who have to do twice the work to equal that of the GTR.

I should cut you some slack since your only 18, so you do have room to improve. Lets hope you use it. You wont look good spouting off technical information on a Skyline as someone with real knowledge will call you on it. Don't believe every thing you read on the net or in magazines. Hald the time they are biased and full of chit. One of my all time favourites is some knob doing testing say Nissan built factory oversteer into the car. Doh he needs to be the poster boy for birth control.

Originally posted by supra-rx7


and as for hybridsol, i never doubted his intelligence, i just didnt understand why he would put something about the rb26


isint that a skyline motor?:confused:

Note last two pages of thread dedicated to Skyline :rolleyes:

I agree with Supra-RX7 in that the Skyline is just another supercar. It may have an advantage here or there, and a good track record, but don't play it up to be something it isn't.

Besides, a 996 TT would clown on it :hehehe:

Originally posted by Razorgtst

Considering they sell for the following here. R32 GTR @ $15,000 USD, R33 GTR @ $22,000 USD, R34 @ $50,000 USD, while a 90's Mustang GT will set you back@ $40,000 USD here! I could say the same.


you need to double those figures to make them correct. A used R34 STD costs 78 grand, not 50.
http://www.motorex.net/m_uspricing.html

Those Motorex quotes are prices for the US, prices are considerably lower in Japan/Australia/NZ.

I just don't think some punk with a Supra has a right to say anything about not having ABS or other "aids" until he has to live with an "un-aided" car on a daily basis. I do. It's called a 1970 MGB GT. Try living with 1.8L of iron on the nose of a car with a sub-100inch wheelbase, when there is NO POWER STEERING! Oh, and those are manual brakes, totally unboosted. Just your foot and a hydraulic pump that has to grab tiny little Girling discs up front and tinier Girling finned drums out back. Traction control? Nope. High tech on my car is a rear defroster. There's a single, finicky SU carburettor that needs torn down practically every week. (bet you're feeling fortunate to have that big old electronic aid they call "fuel injection" sitting on your lump). Have you ever double-clutched a car? I have to every time I get out of the driveway, there's no synchro on reverse. I have to match revs in the forward gears, too, because I'm running straight cut racing gears in my tranny. Hell, each time the season changes, I have to remove my wheels and grease the stub axle splines. My B has knock off wire wheels which will rust to the axles unless those splines are heavily greased. I don't have the luxury of lug nuts.

The Skyline, well, the GTR Skylines and the turbo rear-drive Skylines are nice cars. I'd like to own an R32 just for interstate cruising. They're potent, easy to tune, and very nicely styled boxes. Yes, boxes, but nicely styled boxes. The Skyline I most want though, and this'll totally deflate your already whiny argument about ricers worshipping Skylines, is the Hakosuka, or KPGC10 Skyline GT-R from 1970. This is the agile Skyline that established the racing heritage of the GT-R badge, and is a handsome little coupe to boot. The R-32 GT-R is second on my list, and third is the KPGC GT-R Skyline of 1973. This one looked a bit like a scaled down AMC Javelin with BRE style flares and spoilers. Again, a handsome car with a great racing pedigree. Next time you want to talk Skylines, try checking out the whole history of the car. You embarass yourself assuming that everyone wants an AWD R32-33-34.

Originally posted by Cbass
Note last two pages of thread dedicated to Skyline :rolleyes:

I agree with Supra-RX7 in that the Skyline is just another supercar. It may have an advantage here or there, and a good track record, but don't play it up to be something it isn't.

Besides, a 996 TT would clown on it :hehehe:

Finally people realise its a bit overhyped. i never said it sucked. its just played up like a friggin orchestra. And WOOHOO 996TT

-GTi-VR6_A3

Originally posted by GTi-VR6_A3


Finally people realise its a bit overhyped. i never said it sucked. its just played up like a friggin orchestra. And WOOHOO 996TT

-GTi-VR6_A3
yea but Cbass dosen't like anything thats not a porshe or a Rx7, so he dosent count........Porshe nazi!....j/p

:hehehe:

Originally posted by hybridsol

yea but Cbass dosen't like anything thats not a porshe or a Rx7, so he dosent count........Porshe nazi!....j/p

:hehehe:


hahahahaha so very very true. but really can you blame him they are entoxicating (porche's that is)

-GTi-VR6_A3

Originally posted by GTi-VR6_A3



hahahahaha so very very true. but really can you blame him they are entoxicating (porche's that is)

-GTi-VR6_A3
porshe does own, I'll give him that. :D

Originally posted by hybridsol

porshe does own, I'll give him that. :D

and the #'s in the group grow...

-GTi-VR6_A3

Heheh, guilty as charged :D

Actually, I love all cars... except Trabants, as previously mentioned (HATE HATE HATE)

I'm even looking at buying a Thunderbird for highway cruising...

Doh he needs to be the poster boy for birth control.


HAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!

Originally posted by Cbass
Heheh, guilty as charged :D

Actually, I love all cars... except Trabants, as previously mentioned (HATE HATE HATE)

I'm even looking at buying a Thunderbird for highway cruising...

2 questions Cbass. 1)what is a trabant? and 2)why do you hate them so much?

-GTi-VR6_A3

Originally posted by GTi-VR6_A3


2 questions Cbass. 1)what is a trabant? and 2)why do you hate them so much?

-GTi-VR6_A3
ever hear of a bubble car? The Trabant, which was originally called the AWZ P70 was originally intended to be an inclosed motorbike with a small engine and lightweight construction. Biggest mistakes was to keep the successor of the P70, the P601 in production for decades long after the original idea became worthless. And then they bolted a Volkswagen Polo engine in.......... Basically they were the first german car with a polymer plasitc body. A two-cylinder, two-stroke, 690 cc, 22 bhp. With a three-speed synchronized gearbox....... You get the picture.

Wow, you know your Trabants! I believe the original Trabi(as they're affectionately referred to by mental patients) had a fiberglass body, and ran on turpentine. This is what I have read in a novel, so I'm not sure how accurate it is.

Anyways, here are a few pics... HATE HATE HATE

http://jim.rees.org/trips/Albania/trabant.jpg
http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~esakokki/trabant.jpg
http://digilander.iol.it/cuoccimix/TRABANT-WHITE.JPG

Originally posted by Cbass
Wow, you know your Trabants! I believe the original Trabi(as they're affectionately referred to by mental patients) had a fiberglass body, and ran on turpentine. This is what I have read in a novel, so I'm not sure how accurate it is.

The name of the material was (Duroplast) it contains resin, strengthened by wool. Its reffered to as a plastic, but I could see how it could have been known as fiberglass also.

Next SBC project, pro street Trabant!

Originally posted by Cbass
Next SBC project, pro street Trabant!
I'll go strip the riding lawnmower!

We have too much free time :hehehe:

Actually, for this del Sol project, I have been thinking. My supplier for JDM engines in Canada can get me a CA18DET with a transverse 5 speed for $900 USD, and $300 USD to deliver it to my door. No customs fees, no paperwork, just pay them and they deliver, insured.

My comparable prices for the B18C or H22A are $2000 and $2300 respectively, plus the $300 for shipping. I'm leaning towards the CA18DET, as it can take over 350hp on it's factory shortblock, and I just can't beat the price. 250hp should be enough while I'm sorting the car out, and it should be able to do that with all the factory gear.

i wanna see a trabi, yugo, metro race and there needs to be hella money put into each car. now that would let me die happy.... bwahahahahahahhahahahahaha

-GTi-VR6_A3

I don't!:D

I do, and I hope a fiery crash ensues :D

Seriously, a Trabant makes a Yugo look like a Cadillac.

well, just send me a picture of the wreck! I don't want to see all the furious race action that leads up to it!

Originally posted by Octagon
The Skyline, well, the GTR Skylines and the turbo rear-drive Skylines are nice cars. I'd like to own an R32 just for interstate cruising. They're potent, easy to tune, and very nicely styled boxes. Yes, boxes, but nicely styled boxes. The Skyline I most want though, and this'll totally deflate your already whiny argument about ricers worshipping Skylines, is the Hakosuka, or KPGC10 Skyline GT-R from 1970. This is the agile Skyline that established the racing heritage of the GT-R badge, and is a handsome little coupe to boot. The R-32 GT-R is second on my list, and third is the KPGC GT-R Skyline of 1973. This one looked a bit like a scaled down AMC Javelin with BRE style flares and spoilers. Again, a handsome car with a great racing pedigree. Next time you want to talk Skylines, try checking out the whole history of the car. You embarass yourself assuming that everyone wants an AWD R32-33-34.

I see someone has taken info off the GT2 Play station game. There is no whiny argument and felt no need to go into the history of the Skyline as most people identify the Skyline from the R32 range and up. I also don't think I embarassed myself, but I am sure you will and should feel a bit yourself now, and since you insist on history here it is, and for some will make an interesting read.

The Prince Motor Company was in existence from 1952 until 1966 when it was merged with the Nissan Motor Company. In 1952 the Tachikawa Aircraft Company started production of the Tama Electric car. In 1955 Tachikawa changed it's name to the Prince Motor Company, in honor of the Emperor of Japan Crown Prince Hirohita, and from then on the cars were sold as Princes. At the same time Prince stopped building electric cars and started building petrol powered cars. In the mid-60's the Japanese Government suggested a number of mergers of Japanese companies to create larger companies that would be better equiped to handle any hostile takeover attempts by foreign companies. Nissan and Prince took the government's advice, and in 1966 they merged. (At the same time Toyota merged with Hino and Daihatsu.) Most of the Prince models were kept in production, but from 1967 on they were sold as Nissans or Datsuns. The Prince division still operates independently inside Nissan and is responsible for the Skyline range, including the awesome GT-R.

PRINCE SKYLINE ALSI-2 SERIES 1957 - 1961
The ALSI-2 was basically the same as the previous model. The most noticeable differences are the quad headlights replacing the twin lamps of the ALSI-1, different bonnet emblem and the single large horizontal bar in the grille was replaced with 2 curved bars. It retained the 1484cc 60hp OHV 4cyl. GA-4 engine.

PRINCE SKYLINE SPORT BLRA-3 1961
The Skyline Sport was designed by the Italian designer Michelotti. Only a small number of them were ever built. They had hand built bodies. Available as a coupe and a convertible. They were powered by the 1862cc 83hp OHV GB-30 engine. The design was dropped in favour of the S50-E series due to it's cost effectiveness to produce, and retailability.

PRINCE SKYLINE S50-E SERIES 1961 - 1967
The second generation Skyline had a new 1484cc 70hp OHV 4cyl. G-1 engine. Early models, like the one pictured above, have a pressed steel grille, later models have cast alloy grilles. The first of the cast grilles have a series of vertical bars, after the merger with Nissan the cars had a grille with one large horizontal bar. Most models have large round stop lights with smaller round indicators beside them, later cars have a 3 piece tail light lens. The base model cars have a chrome strip along the side of the car that ends half way along the front door, with the emblems mounted on the front door. The deluxe models have a full length chrome strip. They had either a 3 speed column change gearbox or a 4 speed floor change gearbox. Cars with the 4 speed had bucket seats. Available in 4 door sedan (S50) or 5 door wagon (W50).

PRINCE SKYLINE GT S54 SERIES 1965 - 1968
When Prince wanted to go racing with the Skyline someone had the bright idea of taking out the 4cyl. engine and replacing it with the 6cyl. from the S40 Gloria. At first a small number were built to homologate the cars for racing, when these proved so popular they decided to put the GT into full production. There was no way the 6cyl. engine would fit in the S50, so what they did was they cut the car in front of the fire wall and inserted an extra 8 inches of panel work into the nose of the car to give the extra room needed. It was available in two versions, the "B" model had the 1988cc 6cyl. 127hp OHC G7 engine. It had triple 40DCOE-18 Weber carbs, 5 speed close ratio gearbox, 99 litre fuel tank, full instrumentation, limited slip diff, power brake booster and a higher compression engine. The "A" model had a 106hp single carb version of the G7 with a lower compression ratio. Both models had disc front brakes with twin piston calipers and alloy finned drums at the rear. Later models had flow through ventilation with small eye ball vents added to the dashboard. Later cars were sold as either a Prince A200GT or Nissan A200GT.

In 1966, under pressure from by economic and government forces, Prince Motor Co. merged with Nissan, so that both companies will have better chances in survival.The S54-series Skyline was sold as a Prince A200GT or a Nissan A200GT. Production of the S54 continued until 1968.

NISSAN SKYLINE 1500 1968 - 1972
This car replaced the Prince Skyline S50E series. It was powered by the new 1483cc 94hp OHC cross-flow 4cyl. G15 engine. Available in 4 door sedan and 5 door wagon.

NISSAN SKYLINE GT GC10 SERIES 1969 - 1972
As with the previous Prince Skyline GT, the new Skyline was available in a long wheel base GT model. One of the great things is that the development team decided to go with a 6 cylinder engine. It was Powered by the 1988cc 106hp OHC 6cyl. G7 series engine and later the 1973cc 109hp OHC 6cyl. L20 engine. It was available in a 2 door sedan (KGC10), 4 door sedan (GC10) and 5 door wagon.
But best of all was the Skyline GT-R, Which featured the new 1998cc 160hp double over head cam 6cyl. S20 engine. This was available as a 2 door (KPGC10) and a 4 door (PGC10).

2000 GTR
From late 1972 - 1977 the 4th generation GT skylines were built, and the C100 series began. 1600GT, the 1800GT, 2000GT-X, and the 2000GT-R.The 2000GT-X was powered by the L20 2.0L OHC Inline-6 engine with 130HP. The 1800 was powered by the G18 engine, and the 1600 by the G16.The 2000GT-R had the powerful S20 2.0L DOHC Inline-6 engine with 160HP . The PGC110 denotes the 4-door configuration, and the KPGC110 was the 2-door version. This is also the one that you say ressembles a Javelin. An option of plastic fender extentions was available and you could have colour as long as it was black. Again this one also had the mirrors on the front guards.
Most people unless they played playstation's GT games didn't know they exhisted. And judging from what you have put up your info falls into line with that also. But lets go further shall we :)

After a four year hiatus the new 5th generation was released in August of 1977. Again a full range was released ranging from the 1600TI which was obviously powered by a 1.6 litre engine through the 1800TI-e.x, 2000GT up to the 2000 GT-e.x in April of 1980 packing a 140HP L20ET OHC Inline-6 Turbocharged engine. This was the first point that a turbo had been introduced and the 2000 GT was the top performer so far how ever there was no GT-R released in this generation.

The 6th generation or R30 onwards begins to look familiar for those who had never seen the previous generations. This is the point in design that the Skyline adopted it's length. There were basically 5 models released in this series. The 1800TI, 2000GT-e.x. and 2000GT-e.x turbo, the 2800GT, the R30 2000 RS and the R30 RS Turbo which were powered by the FJ20 2.0L DOHC 16V Inline-4. The DR30 RS had a normally aspirated FJ20 giving 145HP, and the RS Turbo version's turbocharged FJ20 had 190HP. 2000GT and 2800GT were powered by Inline-6 engines.

The 7th generation features the R31's from the 1800I to the GTS-X turbo. They were first released in August 1985. The GTS-X came equipped with Nissan's HICAS All-Wheel-Steering system.It even has an adjustable electronic front spoiler, the R31 was a starting point for using the RB20DE engine. The R31 GT features an RB20DET.

The 8th generation R32 1989 - 1992 (1994 GTR only)
1989 saw the release of the R32 which is the 8th generation of the Nissan Skyline. Nissan brought out the GXI, GTE, GTS, GTS25, GTS-t, GTS-4 and the Godzilla GT-R. Well known for it's performance and power, there is a model to suit everyone from families to full blown enthusiast's. The R32's power ranges from around 90KW's up, the engine capacities range from 1.8 litre up to 2.6 litres in the GT-R. The GT-R also introduced the ATTESSA system, which controls the car's all wheel drive capabilities. ATTESSA is Nissan's AWD on-demand system, and it diverts torque from the rear wheels to the front wheels as required, increasing traction with inputs from sensors in the car. The VSpec (also known as 'Victory Specification') version of the GT-R had a better suspension and Brembo brakes as stock. The R32 was produced up until 1994, which saw another change in design.

The 9th generation R33 1993 - 1999
This Skyline is a little bigger and a little heavier than it's predecessors, however to compensate Nissan have outfitted the majority released with 2.5 litre engines. This gives the standard non-turbo version 142KW, and the turbo models 187KW. R33 GT-R has improved ATTESSA AWS and HICAS AWD. The GT-R was released with a KW rating of just 206KW due to Japan's power restrictions, however with just a few modifications that can be increased immensely. For the general consumer market the R33 was released in non-turbo, turbo, rear and four wheel drive models. The base model was a SOHC 2 litre straight 6. The GTS4 4wd was now a non- turbo model feature the same 2.5 litre displacment of the GTS25-t.

The 10th generation R34 1999 - 2002
The R34 still features the RB26DETT, in-line six cylinder 2.6 litre twin turbo motor. The main visual differences are the outer body design, different geometry on the rear wing, the guarded undercarriage, and the new GPS and engine management computer screens inside. The R34 is much more refined than the the bulky R33 and already boasts much better performance on track. The GTT featured a 2.5 litre single turbo NEO engine rated at 206kw or 280ps. It featured such upgrades as switchable traction control, larger rear spoiler, interior. This could be switched on or off dependant on the driver's wishes. The GTS came in two versions. A 2 litre or 2.5 litre non-turbo. while the body style remained the same as the GTT the suspension was down rated for comfort. In Late 2000 the Vspec GTR appeared. This was in hopes to improve lagging sales of the car. A slight interior change, with defusers on the underside were added. It also was the first generation of the ATTESA Pro 4wd system. In 2001 the Vspec II was released. There was an optional center display unit which had many features. Too many to go through but it had options that allowed the driver to monitor such things as Gforce, boost pressures, a tach, etc. Contrary to popular belief it was an option and a very expensive one at that. The Bonnet on the Vspec II was also carbon fibre. There were two othe releases such as the N1 and Nur.

And there you have it. For more information please Contact Octagon as he seems to have a vast knowledge of GT1, GT2, and GT3 information. I am sure he can answer all your questions. :)

Thank you for your vast knowledge of the Skyline. Though I should point out your smart attitude towards Octagon. Not everyone has the means to own a Skyline nor to find a website which has the history layed out, so you can copy and paste it. No offense, people know me here, I am not one to cause any trouble. But, dude don't be a smart ass! If someone asked for the history cool, but for you to call him out and then act cocky because you own a Skyline, and because you found a website that layed it all out for you. Come on man!:(

kicking at a dead horse pleases you
no way of showing your gratitude
so many things you don't want to do
what is it? what have you got ot lose

what the hell
what is you think you're gonna find?
hypocrite
boredom sets into the boring mind






Bonus points for anybody who can name that song.

Struggle Within
-Metallica-

Score bonus points for DemonZX:D

ooooo ggood job!!! :D

struggle within it suits you fine
struggle within your ruin
struggle within you seal your own coffin
struggle within the struggling within:smoka:

ok smartass :D

try this on for size :P


In what Metallica Songs (Yes More than 1)... can you hear the words "Off to never never land".

Well, Enter Sandman of course... And King Nothing I believe... but I could be wrong.

Very Nice...

Here's one, what classic Metallica song is a cover of an even more classic Blue Oyster Cult song?

Oh yeah, Razor, don't be a smartass. Octagon was complimenting and appreciating Skylines, and you go off saying that what he knows about the cars comes from a video game.

I still maintain a 911 Turbo will eat a Skyline as a mid-afternoon snack.

Enter Sandman & I don't know?

What band wrote this:

Never said I would give you up
but if I must than tell me why now
never said I believed in all those things I've heard
about you from those rumors now
I thought everything was fine
but you proved me wrong
and I was taken by surprise

:confused:

Originally posted by Cbass
Here's one, what classic Metallica song is a cover of an even more classic Blue Oyster Cult song?



Thats simple... Astronomy

Originally posted by DemonZX
Thank you for your vast knowledge of the Skyline. Though I should point out your smart attitude towards Octagon. Not everyone has the means to own a Skyline nor to find a website which has the history layed out, so you can copy and paste it. No offense, people know me here, I am not one to cause any trouble. But, dude don't be a smart ass! If someone asked for the history cool, but for you to call him out and then act cocky because you own a Skyline, and because you found a website that layed it all out for you. Come on man!:(

I don't normally get smart like that but after his comment Next time you want to talk Skylines, try checking out the whole history of the car. You embarass yourself assuming that everyone wants an AWD R32-33-34. I figured I would layout the history in factual data. Yes I took it off our website because honestly I was a bit to tired at 3am and lazy to sit and type it out.

Also in retrospec the GTR is a 2wd car under normal driving. The 4wd system is variable unlike a true 4wd car which is either full time or switchable such as what you would see on a 4wd truck at the front hubs in the form of lock-outs or via a seperate 4wd selecting lever. I also could very well have broken each model down as far as options and stats from the R30 to present.

Also the information provided is viewable for any vistor which brings me to another reason for taking if off there in that there will always be a clown who seems to think your are slinging bullshit in order to try and save face or something. What gets me the most is those that either hack on, be-little, or talk shit about a particular car they have no idea or concept of. If people want to make a comparison using a given vehicle they should also KNOW not assume it's performance through potential performance. I used to get into the same sort of discussion when I lived North of Chicago about Ford and Chevy. I have always owned GM products other than two Dodge products a Dakota and Stratus. It is the same blasay crap that goes on today.

For the record i will vigorously defend what ever vehicle type and manufacture I happen to own if I feel it worthy when challenged.
As I have said before the Skyline is not the ultimate road car. You want ultimate Mclearen F1. There are quite a few others which are far better also than the GTR. In saying that I also feel it is one of the best all-around cars I have not only owned but driven or have been in. That is how I make my judements. I mean lets face it. It is hard to beat displacement but technology will always help.

Originally posted by Razorgtst
I mean lets face it. It is hard to beat displacement but technology will always help.

Woooo Displacement! woooooo!!! Thats me! woooooo i rule!



:rolleyes: :hehehe:

Better yet, displacement AND technology! That's the Sledgehammer ;)

The mercedes benz SL55, the Jaguar XKR, BMWs Z8 and 5series with the 4.9 V8 would OWN the skyline.


If its not German its not a sports car:hehe:


GERMANS OWNSJU :ylsuper

All of them OWNZ Skylines? Wow.. pretty big statement.. Along with your Sportscar statement too!

Ahem. Razorgst, I found out about the Hakosuka through my membership in the JMA. If you aren't familiar with this group, the "John Morton Army" is a club of early Nissan/Datsun fanatics whose posterchild race car is the BRE Datsun 510 that dominated the old SCCA Trans-Am under 2.5L class. This car is a close relative of the 510 (Bluebird to those of you on the other side of the Pacific) and, in my opinion, much more handsomely styled, even though that adds weight. No, I haven't had the oppurtunity to drive an Hakosuka, but if it's anything like the 510's I've been in, then I have good reason to desire one.

As for Gran Turismo as an information source, it's barebones info at the most. Accurate, maybe, but I'd turn to one of Godfrey Eaton's motorbooks (I own a tattered copy of his Ferrari Retrospect) first.

I don't appreciate being told just how I get my information. I'm far from being the typical American youth. I know for a fact that the typical American youth wouldn't want to deal with installing hardened valve seats in the cylinder head of his car simply so that he could run unleaded without damaging the engine or buying additives. I've been around automobiling since my father took me to the now razed Cloverleaf Speedway when I was two. I was in quarter midgets at seven, redesigning my quarter midget at ten, breaking my collarbone in my redesigned quartermidget at 10 1/2, and moving on into sportscars by age twelve. All this time, I've studied cars as if studying fine art. How many people can say that they're a friend of Bobby Rahal's? Or that they had the privelege to sit and chat with the likes of Olivier Gendebien, Juan Manuel Fangio, Roger Penske, and Phil Hill? How many people have ever been in a Lamborghini Miura SV at 180mph and felt the nose lifting off the ground because of the shapely Bertone body? Or know how a 1962 Corvair Monza coupe reacts at 80mph on a gravel road?

Guess what, that's a glimpse into my motoring experience and I've still got years of life ahead of me. Go ahead, call me an unlearned kid. I'll remember it next time I'm sitting in my cousin's garage, helping him put the finishing touches on his Series II Jaguar E-type coupe.

For the rest of you, I've got a Metallica trivia question too! :angel: Which Metallica song is actually a cover of a Queen hit?

Originally posted by Octagon

For the rest of you, I've got a Metallica trivia question too! :angel: Which Metallica song is actually a cover of a Queen hit?


Thats Easy... Stone Cold Crazy.

Infact.. everysong off the Garage Inc. Album was a Cover song.

Disc 1 was newly recorded songs for the Album itself.
Disc 2 was all previously recorded songs from B Sides and One offs from the past.

Jeez. You know your Metallica.

But I'll bet few people know Jethro Tull like I know Jethro Tull. I've even got Blodwyn Pig LP's on the way.

Tull trivia: Who was the first guitarist for the band Jethro Tull? He played on their first two albums, then was traded for Blodwyn Pig's guitarist Martian Barre when Ian Anderson came to the conclusion that his style didn't flow with the Tull sound.

Hint: He later went on to play lead guitar for the band "Earth".

Gah.. I dont know Jethro Tull to well :(


But I do know they beat Metallica in 1991 or 1992 I believe at the VH1 Music awards for Best Heavy Metal Album of the Year or someshit... I'm still pissed about it. Jethro Tull isnt heavy at all...


Sorry My info is terrible tonight my brain just hurts Hahaha.
Been sitting at the computer all day recieving Emails to my car Ad... hopefully the guy coming tommorow will buy it and i'll be trouble freeee... Yayy... *claps*

Originally posted by RACER D12
The mercedes benz SL55, the Jaguar XKR, BMWs Z8 and 5series with the 4.9 V8 would OWN the skyline.


If its not German its not a sports car:hehe:


GERMANS OWNSJU :ylsuper

if only it were that easy...

-GTi-VR6_A3

Originally posted by RACER D12
The mercedes benz SL55, the Jaguar XKR, BMWs Z8 and 5series with the 4.9 V8 would OWN the skyline.


If its not German its not a sports car:hehe:


GERMANS OWNSJU :ylsuper
the bmw z8 5series is an inline 8

and germans OWN concentration camps, not the skyline. :rolleyes:

woooopsshhhh! *civicgurl pimp smackn'*

Z8's have:

Type: 5.0L V8
Displacement (cc/ci): 4941/302
Valves: 32
Horsepower: 394@6600
Torque: 368@3800

and they run in the range of $130,000!

How do I know?.....Who drove one into a 90 degree right turn at 50 in 2nd hanging the ass out while the owner of the car clung to the right arm of the driver like a baby to a rattle?
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Oh, Yeah!....ME!

the bmw z8 5series is an inline 8

Nope they are V8s at least thats what it said on the BMW site. and germans OWN concentration camps, not the skyline.

First I was only playing, I do love german engineering but I would not make such a bold statement. But the cars I said would or I should say should beat the skyline and come on dont knock german cars they make some of the best sports cars in the world. Also the fastest car in the world is german(its a benz) and most of the top ten is also german. But comparing German and Japanese cars is hard because they have different valuse Germans go for speed and handle at any cost MOST of the time but they also make really nice Lux cars but Japanese to me seem to go more for traction rallying and low end getup and go power but taper off on the high end, and they go for affordabilitY. Thats the one thing I hate about German cars their too exspensive guess i will never own that Porsche GT2 or a Ferrari (gos to corner and crys himself to sleep)

One of the reasons production Japenese cars "taper off on the high end" is due to the car companies having a mutual agreement to approximately 280hp. Word is that their breaking the agreement.....?

"made for traction rallying and low end get up"

I'm not sure what you mean by that.. But there are many Japenese cars that'll tear up a road course.

Originally posted by Civicgurl

the bmw z8 5series is an inline 8

and germans OWN concentration camps, not the skyline. :rolleyes:
concentration camps hahahaha......I like you......I like you alot...... ;)

so I decided to battle the nazi's for you :D the concept car coming out that is a 5 series is a inline 8 with the germans notorious Copy of VTEC (VANOS), the z8 is a v8 double vanos.

Originally posted by Civicgurl
First I was only playing, I do love german engineering but I would not make such a bold statement. But the cars I said would or I should say should beat the skyline and come on dont knock german cars they make some of the best sports cars in the world. Also the fastest car in the world is german(its a benz) and most of the top ten is also german. But comparing German and Japanese cars is hard because they have different valuse Germans go for speed and handle at any cost MOST of the time but they also make really nice Lux cars but Japanese to me seem to go more for traction rallying and low end getup and go power but taper off on the high end, and they go for affordabilitY. Thats the one thing I hate about German cars their too exspensive guess i will never own that Porsche GT2 or a Ferrari (gos to corner and crys himself to sleep)
Ok kid who let you off the short bus? What (benz) is the fastest car in the world???????? I was pretty shure it was a mclaren F1 and as far as I know they have always been BMW. "Japanese cars go for low end power but taper off on the high end" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA are you serious......hahahhahaHAHAHAhahaha so your saying japanese cars are built for low end torque, Japanese cars are all about a longer gear. Also last time I checked.......Ferrari wasen't german............ go look at the flag on their website......{I read you just imported a skyline? and your telling me german cars are too expensive?} Oh this one's getting PM'ed to a few skyline friends, as well as hybridsol. {crying} I want him to witness this.

I think he was referring to the gearing of most Japanese cars, not the engine powerband. Also, when was VTEC first introduced? I know Porsche was playing around with Variocam at the end of the 80s, so I wouldn't be so quick to accuse the Germans of copying the Japanese.

Also, the components that make the McLaren F1 the fasted road car in the world are the German engine and transmission. I don't even know why it's considered the fastest road car, as this car is faster, and performs better in every respect(except crash testing :hehehe: )

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Ok kid who let you off the short bus? What (benz) is the fastest car in the world???????? I was pretty shure it was a mclaren F1 and as far as I know they have always been BMW. "Japanese cars go for low end power but taper off on the high end" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA are you serious......hahahhahaHAHAHAhahaha so your saying japanese cars are built for low end torque, Japanese cars are all about a longer gear. Also last time I checked.......Ferrari wasen't german............ go look at the flag on their website......{I read you just imported a skyline? and your telling me german cars are too expensive?} Oh this one's getting PM'ed to a few skyline friends, as well as hybridsol. {crying} I want him to witness this.

Heres the list the Mclaren is 11th on the list(this is from supercars.net)

1. 433 kph / 269.1 mph 1938 Mercedes-Benz W125 Record
2.409.9 kph / 254.7 mph 1988 Chevrolet Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette
3. 406 kph / 252.3 mph 2002 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron
4.403 kph / 250.4 mph 2001 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron Concept
5. 402.3 kph / 250.0 mph 1994 Dauer 962 LeMans
6.402.3 kph / 250.0 mph 1992 Vector WX3 Concept
7. 400 kph / 248.5 mph 2001 Lotec Sirius Concept
8.400 kph / 248.5 mph 1939 Mercedes-Benz W154 Record
9. 390 kph / 242.3 mph 2000 Koenigsegg CC
10.386.2 kph / 240.0 mph 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S
11. 386.2 kph / 240.0 mph 1997 McLaren F1

And about the R33 i did get one a model:D that was a joke i have been waiting for some one to call me on that. And about Ferrari I didnt say they were german but I still want one

The McLaren (the real McLaren) is a Kiwi. Yes folks, the McLaren sportscars that dominated the Can-Am in the 60's were Chevy powered aluminum tubs built by New Zealander Bruce McLaren. This brilliant engineer/driver was killed testing the McLaren M8D Can-Am car, I believe at either Elkhart Lake or the old Watkins Glen. It may also have been Mosport, but I can't say for certain.

What I do know is that you seriously talk apples to oranges when you mention tuner cars like the Callaway Corvette, or concepts like the Veyron, alongside of full-fledged production cars. As far as I'm concerned, the McLaren F1, since it uses an outsourced engine, isn't a production car either. Until a manufacturer steps up with their own homebrewed supercar, the battle over "who's fastest" ended with the Lamborghini Diablo/Bugatti EB110 fight at the beginning of the 90's.

Personally speaking, it's a rather dull fight to hear of. I'm more impressed by cars like the Lotus Elise or Mazda MP3, both of which blast through the 60ft slalom quicker than Vettes. Ultimate handling, that's impressive.

Oh yes, and the answer to my Tull trivia question is none other than Tony Iommi. Better known for his work as the lead guitarist of the power trio Earth, which later became the heavy metal pioneer band Black Sabbath.

Yep, there's a link between Ozzy Osbourne and Ian Anderson.

Originally posted by RACER D12


Heres the list the Mclaren is 11th on the list(this is from supercars.net)

1. 433 kph / 269.1 mph 1938 Mercedes-Benz W125 Record
2.409.9 kph / 254.7 mph 1988 Chevrolet Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette
3. 406 kph / 252.3 mph 2002 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron
4.403 kph / 250.4 mph 2001 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron Concept
5. 402.3 kph / 250.0 mph 1994 Dauer 962 LeMans
6.402.3 kph / 250.0 mph 1992 Vector WX3 Concept
7. 400 kph / 248.5 mph 2001 Lotec Sirius Concept
8.400 kph / 248.5 mph 1939 Mercedes-Benz W154 Record
9. 390 kph / 242.3 mph 2000 Koenigsegg CC
10.386.2 kph / 240.0 mph 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S
11. 386.2 kph / 240.0 mph 1997 McLaren F1

And about the R33 i did get one a model:D that was a joke i have been waiting for some one to call me on that. And about Ferrari I didnt say they were german but I still want one
Well if you wanna get technical the world's fastest car is the Thrust SSC, holding the world land speed record of 1200 km/h. I heard of the the Railton cart RR toping off at a speed of 369.741 mph in 1939, but I've never heard of this car doing 433/269mph. I heard it was actually rated under the f1, (who knows) never the less it was not put into production (They were deemed unsafe due to there design and countless accidents). Honestly I have trouble believeing mercedes, or the rolls did such outrageous speeds in the 30's. Looks like i'll be hitting the library when I get back to school (Its gonna bother me until I know facts).
I'm not exactly shure what you meant by your statement here- "comparing German and Japanese cars is hard because they have different valuse Germans go for speed and handle at any cost MOST of the time but they also make really nice Lux cars but Japanese to me seem to go more for traction rallying and low end getup and go power but taper off on the high end" the blitz skyline is ranked at a top speed of 343,3-348 km/h or 213-216 mph HP 850,1 BHP @ 9.300rpm. (Also this statement does sound like your calling a ferarri a german car- "Thats the one thing I hate about German cars their too exspensive guess i will never own that Porsche GT2 or a Ferrari" But I understand what you meant, I want a ferrari too. :D Now lets just all play nice, that means no more being a dick DOHCam. (Just b/c someone else has a diff. view dosen't mean its wrong)

Um, I was talking about street legal production cars, and out of those, only the Dauer 962 is faster than the McLaren.

Also, although Bruce was a kiwi, the cars were designed and assembled in a small English town.

<hey Hybridsol, can you break your posts into paragraphs please? Thanks ;) >

Okay, Cbass. That's true. But I still call them Kiwi cars out of respect for Bruce. The man was one of the drivers I regret never having met. Though I'd give my first-eighth borne children to meet Il Commendatore.

As for the F1... Feh, it looks horrible in New Zealand's Orange (international racing color for New Zealand, all McLarens built under Bruce were painted this color) so it can't be a true McLaren. I don't care what you call it. It's an amazing car, but I'd never park it alongside a M8.

My first son will be named Enzo ;)

Oh yeah, check out my thread on Elva in the other cars forum, Octagon :)

Do you think he'd have an intense and heated rivalry with my future son Colin? :D

As for the Elva, *grumbles* Why'd you have to go and do that? A: My wish list is getting so long I'll have to devote ALL of my money to just purchasing the cars on it, let alone driving them. B: How many times do I have to remind you that Layla is one jealous little prima donna. I start looking at other classic British sports cars and she starts misbehaving. Remember that Spitfire I told you all about? The week I first saw that Spit, Layla's battery died on me, followed by her hood latch sticking, and finally her left headlight dimming while her right headlight gets brighter. She's like a smaller, blue, British, four-cylinder Christine.

Anyways, beautiful cars. Especially the GT1600. Only three in the world? That's about 2,999,997 too few.

Ah, it could be worse... You could own a Fiat, then you'd be able to complain about your car getting jealous... If the Fiat even THINKS you've had THOUGHTS about another car, you're doomed. An engine rebuild is a good starting point there... :hehehe:

I've decided I will either find a MK IV Courier, or make a replica. Full aluminum box tubing, fiberglass body panels made from original molds, that sort of thing ;) Perhaps a 1" flare all around, and a lower air dam, to clean up a little of the airflow...

You need a 924, my friend, plain and simple. The reliable sports car ;)

Originally posted by Cbass
Yeah, it should do high 10s with an AutoX suspension setup. Not bad, eh?

Of course, it would take at least $3000 to build an engine like that... You could just build a 9.5:1 302, port the stock heads, add a Trick Flow intake, a cam and get an EEC tuner... Bam, 350hp.


350 whole hp huh? My car makes that stock, not to brag or anything.

Anyways, wasn't the point of this thread to find the best street racing car? Well to answer that, I guess you'd have to kow what you want from the car. Assuming it's a daily driver, I doubt you'd want a McLaren F1 for obvious reasons.

If you like long, drawn out powerbands with little low-end torque, then I'd say a 240SX with a SR20 and Silvia conversion are the best buy for the money, looks, and performance.

If you like lots of low-end torque and shifting at 5k, then the raw, untamed power of a muscle car should work. Many argue from what are the best affordable muscle cars. From my experience, it comes down to brand loyalty when chosing a muscle car. But to me, it breaks down like this: Older mustangs and cameros (87-93 or so) are the most common and cheapest at street races out of the muscle car group. There are fewer newer stangs and cameros, but they still have that existing rivalry. Both are easy to find parts for and cost around the same, so it comes down to chevy or ford if you are trying to go with the crowd and fit in. There are limitless options of muscle cars if you want to be different though.

However, if we are talking exotics, then for the Japanese, I'd have to go with the flow and say the r32+ skyline. The RB26 never really impressed me stock, because it is twin turboed and still makes about 45 less hp than my car, stock. However, as someone earlier in the thread pointed out, it is probably the most tunable japanese engine in the world, even more so than the supra or rx-7. That's why I would pick the skyline over any other import, because of its potential, not stock power.


For the muscle exotic, I'd have to be biased and say the Corvette Z06 all the way. It's not that much slower than that stupid new viper and is 5x more comfortable, more economic, more practical, and the car stays about 100 degrees cooler. The Z06 is my cars' big brother. There's no replacement for dsplacement.

350hp isn't much, true, but the car weighs 2300lbs, and last time I checked, that was about half a ton less than a Corvette ;)

My chosen engine build should be good for around 375-400hp, and 475-500ftlbs, depending on the little details. That's a pump gas engine that should meet emissions, built for around $1500. Go Cleveland! :hehehe:

Anyways, I can't really think of a better street racer than a first gen RX7 with a 5.0 EFI Ford engine. Light, fast, great suspension... what more do you want? Oh yeah, lot's of body kits too, if ya swing that way...

350 whole hp huh? My car makes that stock, not to brag or anything.
92 Corvette's make 350 horsepower? I didn't know that, do you have one of those....eh ZR1's is it?

It's not that much slower than that stupid new viper and is 5x more comfortable, more economic, more practical, and the car stays about 100 degrees cooler.
lol how could it not be "not much slower" then a Viper. The Viper has almost 100 more hp and torque then a Z06. It should rip a Z06 to pieces. That little car probably dips into 11 seconds no problem.
If you got a lot money and aren't very tall I'd go with the Viper. To hell with comfort, what does that matter when racing. Not everyone has $75,000+ to spend on a car though, so if you got a decent amount of money the best american car to get would be that new Cobra or the Corvette. Or you could probably find a 1970 Chevelle SS on ebay for about 20-30k with a 454.

To each his own preference though why bother making this topic. It doesn't really matter what is the fastest stock car, people go with what they like.

cbass....yea you do have a point. 1000 pounds does make a huge difference. But why would you want to take the rotary out of the Rex? The FD3S happens to be my most favorite car on the planet, even though I didn't say its the best "street race car"...cause I dont think it is. The rotary engine makes the Rex very unique and special....I think that dropping a Ford of all things into it is ruining it. At least put in something decent like a stroked LT1...but its all up to personal prefrence of course.



devil...check the stats. i read recently in Road and Track Mag that the new viper pulls 12.2 in the 1/4 mile, whereas the Z06 hits 12.8. Not that much faster. And some test driver for Chevy can do clutchless upshifts, so it can potentially go even faster. For literally half the money, why would you want the Viper? To stand out? Then spend all that extra money you'd save and blow a Viper to Bumfuck and back, and get a body kit that would make AbFlug jealous. "if you swing that way....."

some people got owned... :D

Good Show Jspec Nightmare.:)

Well, the 13b rotary is a great, well built engine that will live forever if properly maintained.

The 1st gen RX-7 rotary, however, isn't. My car collector cousin had a 1st gen turbo Rex. Though he loved it to death, it gave him more fits than his CARBURETTED Ferrari 308.

I myself would swap in either a new Renesis (250hp stock, NA) or one of the Cosmo 3row rotaries. High revs, and torque, in a rotary.... OWNAGE!

Actually, I'll one-up you for weight savings, Cbass. RX-3!

whereas the Z06 hits 12.8. Not that much faster. And some test driver for Chevy can do clutchless upshifts, so it can potentially go even faster. For literally half the money, why would you want the Viper? To stand out? Then spend all that extra money you'd save and blow a Viper to Bumfuck and back, and get a body kit that would make AbFlug jealous. "if you swing that way....."
Yes magazine racing. So the Corvette has the potential to go faster, but the Viper doesn't. Why have a few people been hitting 11.9 in the GTS by nothing more then taking out the spare tire? Same tires, same everything that came with the car. I think 11.9 is probably the max of that GTS, and if thats the case, the new Viper should be able to manage a 11.7 at least. Why buy a Viper? Its a high 11 second car, Corvette isn't. 12.2 to 12.8, thats leaving quite a distance behind that Corvette. I still don't believe thats the best they can get out of the car.

Also you didn't answer my first question about your Corvette?

Not everyone has a Viper. It is also a car that stands out. i can't tell you how many people around here at least I see driving Corvettes. You pay that much more to stand out some. I probably see 1 Z06 a day. Vipers?....Maybe 1 every 2 weeks or so!

Originally posted by Cbass
Um, I was talking about street legal production cars, and out of those, only the Dauer 962 is faster than the McLaren.

Also, although Bruce was a kiwi, the cars were designed and assembled in a small English town.

<hey Hybridsol, can you break your posts into paragraphs please? Thanks ;) >
Dauer Porsche 962 LM does a 0-60 in 2.6 seconds which is the fastest 0-60 PV. The 2000 HKS Racing 180SX did a 0-60 in 1.2 seconds (not in production), and the 1994 Ford SVT 10.0L Boss Mustang did a 1.9 second 0-60.
PS-(everytime I try to put my writings into paragraph form via indent, my tab dosen't give me the proper indent when I post.?)

1994 Ford SVT 10.0L Boss Mustang did a 1.9 second 0-60.

A 10L? Jesus was that a V8? That must of been huge.

Originally posted by DeViL


A 10L? Jesus was that a V8? That must of been huge.
its a V8 with displacement of 9804 cc, HP at 855 bhp @ 6200 rpm and torque at 790 lb-ft @ 5200.

Ehhh. Caterham Super Seven. 0-60 in 3.4 seconds from less than 2.0L. That's something to impress people with. Yep, this spindly little aluminum milk crate'll out drag a Mustang, then lose it in the corners.

Of course, having vinyl snap-in doors, exposed wheels with cycle fenders, and a bare side exit exhaust right next to the cockpit is the price you pay.

Ehhh. Caterham Super Seven. 0-60 in 3.4 seconds from less than 2.0L. That's something to impress people with. Yep, this spindly little aluminum milk crate'll out drag a Mustang, then lose it in the corners.

Of course, having vinyl snap-in doors, exposed wheels with cycle fenders, and a bare side exit exhaust right next to the cockpit is the price you pay.

Yeah, Super 7 clones are good for 0-60, but take them on the standing mile, and they get dusted... BTW, the slower 4.2 Cerbera ran a 32 second flying mile...

Yes, as Octagon mentioned, the 12A rotary is not exactly a peach, and the 5.0 Ford is a much more reliable engine for daily driving. Jspec, you imply the Ford Windsor lightweight 5.0 is not a good engine, compared to the LT1. I disagree, although the LT1 may have a little more advantage in displacement, the 5.0 is mucher cheaper to attain, and with a little bit of tuning, can make quite a lot of power.

They are in junkyards everywhere, in everything from Thunderbirds to Licolns, to 5.0 Mustangs, with a good number of transmissions to choose from. The only weak point I see with the 5.0 is the T5 it comes with, it's not built to handle much more than the stock output.

As for the 10 liter Mustang, it's good to see I'm not the only one who's heard of it :D It was a big 429 Ford, that they stroked and built quite nicely... Then they put in the new Mustang :D

devil...Actually my car is only 325 stock, for I only have the LT1 engine...ZR-1 is a dream, but the Z06 is the real gold. however, I have a couple mods that should bump me up to 350hp/370 ft lbs or so.


cbass...yea the 5.0 motor is much cheaper in all ways, its true. But my point was that it comes down to personal preference, and I would have my own motor over any other.

And even though I have a sligh bias against Fords, I will admit that that 10l boss engine is absolutley terrifying. the SR-351(i think thats it) Saleen Mustang....I think 1995 year range also, is the only other type of mustang I show any respect for.

As for the Vette vs Viper argement...I don't think it will ever end. But all I have to say is the C5R tears the ass outta the Team Oreca Viper. Le Mans ownage.

I don't know what your talking about?! Those Team Oreca Viper's owned everyone for a long time! And, I agree if you want any real power out of a 5.0 you need to put on a tranny that wil handle it.

Heh no one ever argued that the Corvette was a better handling car, it certainly is. It's also said that the Viper will jerk you around if you don't be careful with it on the road, driving with one hand is a bad idea. Whether that is true or not, you'd have to ask a Viper owner.

The way I see it, the Viper is like a modern day version of the Shelby Cobra. Just with a big block V10 instead of V8. Which is another thing I find interesting about it because American Muscle was all about the V8s. Dodge didn't even consider a fuel injected Hemi for it, just went straight to a 10 cylinder. The Z06 is definately a nice car I got to sit in a yellow one at the autoshow in DC last sunday. For a car so low to the ground it sure is easy as hell to get in. Wide and comfortable, seems to have more space then that new Ford Thunderbird.

Jspec, the reason I recommend the 5.0 in this particular case is, the HO oil pan clears the RX7 front crossmember if the crossmember is installed backwards. The 5.0 motor mounts bolt right up, and the trannies fit nicely in the tunnel. There is a fair bit more work involved in putting a 350 into a first generation RX7.

Don't be so quick to put down Mustangs either, they're a good platform, even if they are a little underpowered from the factory. Just by doing a little porting, a cam and some exhaust work, you can really wake up those 5.0 engines. It's not that difficult to get the LX sedan style Mustangs under 3000 lbs, and there are a lot of suspension options out there. For the money you can get one for, they are quite a bargain, and a few thousand in the right places will have you running with Corvettes, even in the corners ;)

*looks very smug as he dons his Scuderia Ferrari cap*

Oreca Viper? C5R? Saleen S7R? In case no one has been paying attention, these cars have been owned in qualifying by the NON-FACTORY Prodrive Ferrari 575 Maranellos. V-12's OWN at Le Mans. FORZA CAVAILLANO RAMPANTE!

*shrugs shoulders* A Vette is a Vette and a Viper is a Viper. They're two totally different approaches to the idea of making an American sports car. The Viper is more coarse, more raw, and more of an exercise in the "Big Hammer" school of thought (ie. We don't have enough accel- bigger engine. We don't have enough grip- more tire, and so forth). The Vette is more of a being of constant evolution. It's layout is traceable straight back to the C2 Stingray (the first all independent suspension, closed cabin Vette). Even after nearly 40years, there's still a transverse leaf spring IRS, full frame, and an oddly laid back radiator. They've basically refined it to the point where they've got to investigate new technology to get any more out of the platform without a full ground up rethink.

I've never really been impressed with the Viper as a car. To me, a car with that much displacement, that little weight, and that much tire had better be running the numbers it does. It doesn't do anything astonishing once you look at its specs. Now, looking at the specs of, say, the new Maybach, you get impressed. Explain to me again what business a sedan weighing 6030lbs has doing 0-62mph in 5.2seconds. That's spooky. The Vette is more impressive to me since it does more with less, for less. I always thought sports cars were supposed to be minimalist, anyways. (probably why I own an MGB)

What the heck is a Maybach?

Wish the Corvette still had a 427....will we ever see that day again?

Maybach makes one crazy ass Benz's.

The Maybach 57:
Base price: $300,000
Weight: 5800lbs
0-60: 5.1

The Maybach 62:
Base price: $360,000
Weight: 6100 lbs
0-60: 5.4

The heart of both cars are the same... a 5.5 Liter twin turbo'ed v12. Yielding 550 hp and 664 lb/ft.

Problay the most luxurious car in the world, and pretty damn quick.

Doesn't seem like a strong running engine if its producing that with twin turbochargers. Don't the Lamborghinis produce around that without twin turbos? I know the Diablos had a 5.7L and 6.0L option.

For a car that costs as much as a Bentley, it better have the some of the best luxory available. Thats a little much to pay for a car.

True Devil, the Lambo's do make that much horsepower.. Butt no way do they make 664 lb/ft of torque. So I do feel that the engine is rather quite worthy... The sheer weight of the massive car requires that torque to get that fat ass moving..

2000 Diablo:
6.0 liter v12... 550 hp, 457 lb/ft.

Yeah no kidding thats certainly a heavy car. What is it made out of some of the heaviest metals on earth?

Nope, just big as hell. The car is 78inches wide, 225.5inches long, 133.4inches long, and 61.9inches tall. Plus it's riding on an air suspension and has every conceivable luxury feature available (clear roof that you can electronically tint to completely opaque, for example).

Not really a car to drive, but one to be driven in. Personally, I'm more partial to the equally ultra torquey Bentley Arnage type-R with the old pushrod V-8. I think they admitted to in the area of 600+ Pound feet.

Wow sounds like one hell of a car. Has everything except an electronic driver huh? Is there any pictures of it on the internet?

You know that black and purplish sedan in the one banner over to the left when you first log onto AF? That's a Maybach.

Originally posted by RACER D12


Heres the list the Mclaren is 11th on the list(this is from supercars.net)

1. 433 kph / 269.1 mph 1938 Mercedes-Benz W125 Record
2.409.9 kph / 254.7 mph 1988 Chevrolet Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette
3. 406 kph / 252.3 mph 2002 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron
4.403 kph / 250.4 mph 2001 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron Concept
5. 402.3 kph / 250.0 mph 1994 Dauer 962 LeMans
6.402.3 kph / 250.0 mph 1992 Vector WX3 Concept
7. 400 kph / 248.5 mph 2001 Lotec Sirius Concept
8.400 kph / 248.5 mph 1939 Mercedes-Benz W154 Record
9. 390 kph / 242.3 mph 2000 Koenigsegg CC
10.386.2 kph / 240.0 mph 2002 Koenigsegg CC 8S
11. 386.2 kph / 240.0 mph 1997 McLaren F1

And about the R33 i did get one a model:D that was a joke i have been waiting for some one to call me on that. And about Ferrari I didnt say they were german but I still want one
the reason the McLaren is the fastest car in the world is not b/c of its top speed, it is a combination of that and its quick acceleration. Also that list looks a little f-ed up to me I don't think thats right either, If you check the thread that goes along with the list very many other disagree as well. Anyway you do the math the mclaren adds up TS_QS.
PS Cbass- VTEC was first drawn up in the early 80's the very first model to use this engine was the DA6 Honda Integra RSi/XSi, first introduced by Honda in April 1989.

hemi cuda', boss 429, or copo/yenko camro with zl-1 427. (all with new drag tire)

hemi cuda', boss 429, or copo/yenko camro with zl-1 427. (all with new drag tire)

Go away... :twak:

For Fucks sake...