WIP: Revell Audi R10

Hi everyone, im pretty new here. Im a huge fan of the ALMS and Le Mans. I get to go to Laguna Seca every year for the last ALMS race (since 2003, its tradition). For the same amount of ive been building models, though only aircraft. Then I found the Revell C6R, so now ive been exploring into the world of cars. Thats how I came across this kit. I found it in July, and it finally came out in Auguest. Havent started uintl recent, because I wanted to finish the Corvette frist, but ive been stuck at the body spraying for a while and decided to start on my Audi.

I made sure to order the photo etchs from Studio 27 and Dexter. Comparing the two, there are a few parts that are very similar (air vents and seat belt), so I get to pick the better of the two. First glance of the kit was very nice. Being a HUGE fan of the R8, I was glad to see that so much of the "old car" come out in the R10 in 2006, and it was cool to see that im my own hands. It was a major dissapointment to find that the rear engine cover did not fit well with the rest of the car. Ill find a way to fix it later on. Some poor surface issues of left over molding, but other than that, looks like a fun build. Having limited experiance and never doing a car model or using photo etches, ive been proud with the progress made each day. Having an extremely low budget (teenager in college), I have to compensate for certain things :lol:
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Like I said, small budget! This is my workspace, very small, as you can see the corvette is still there.
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I just love this shape
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A look through where the louvers will go
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The photo etches added on to the engine
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The engine test fit, oddly too far forward from the tub. How do I fix that?
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Nice progress thus far, i'm a huge fan of this car having just bought the kit last weekend. Great work so far, can't wait to see more :D

Awesome! Keep it up. Are you going to clean up the holes where the louvers will go? Don't forget to clean up the mold lines, they seemed to be on every single part.

Now are you JTninja, or JTninja's Son? It gets confusing with you guys over on the ALMS forum. Maybe we can get Hugewally on here...

Lol, actually Im the same guy. When I first joined the ALMS forums, I was JETninjas Oldest Son, my dad being JETninja. Over time Ive slowly became JTninja. So im JETs son, JT :) I find it funny Ive confuesed you on this forum, the ALMS forum, and the enduracers forum lol.

Ill post updated pictures, Im nearly done with the louver holes, Im made them at the correct size, just working on the fitting process. Im finishing the engine, trying to match the paint with how it was in 2007 (used these pics from Lime Rock and Le Mans http://www.supercars.net/Gallery?cmd=viewCarGallery&carID=3335&pgID=1 )

Question, for anyone whos done the wings. For the Studio 27 photoetch it says to cut off the original wing, and replace it with theirs. Do i need to sand down the edges of the wings plates, or do I have to create holes to put them in (like the original peice)? Ill post pictures to explain.

LOL, thats my boy! (Zurbert, bet you didn't expect to see me here too! :D )

I grew up building hundreds of models in the 60's / 70's. Built all those Big Harley models, the Visible V8, tons of hotrods and drag cars. Not built anything in years (room and little kids...and now a Cat!) I do have many kits awaiting me...

Some that come to mind...

1/20th Tamiya F189 (will build as Mansell a fav of mine back then)
1/12th (IIRC) Honda CBX (used to own one)
1/36th or 1/24th (forget, started) Revell (?) F15C (will build as Israel A/C, first to shoot down enemy A/C)
1/24th Dragon '95 M3 Lightweight (I own a '95 M3)

...and some others. This site has certainly given me a lot of insperation! Need more kits! LOL!

Hes forgetting the 1/25 Revell C5R :runaround:

Okay, heres an updated picture of where the louvers are being replaced. Just when I thought fitting it would be a pain, now I get to do the individual louvers, all at a 45 degree angle, too much and they'll stick outside the side skirts, dont want that.
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And heres the inside slowing showing color. Im using Tamiyas Gun Metal in replace of Carbon Fiber, since I dont have the $$$ to get the CF decals :grinyes: It works better than I thought.
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And heres my problem, what do I do about the wings?
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Studio 27 instructions
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Well, due to the weather, progress has been stalled to a near hault. Garage gets too cold to paint now :grinyes:

But great news, my decals arrived yesterday! I can offically announce my car will be the #38 Champion Racing Audi R10 TDI! I have been waiting since 2005 for this livery to be on this car, but since Champion joined with Audi Sport North America, we've been stuck with the silver cars....until now! Once this is finished, I will take it to Laguna Seca, and have Dave Maraj sign it and try to convince him to change the colors of his car :lol:

Big thanks to Milan Tomasek, he had not only made the decals, but made them from 1/32 to 1/24 for my creation!

now that will be cool, I want the Audi NA team to run the champion colors again, Its gonna look awesome :D

I believe that part of the answer for the p/e quandry is that the outside plate indentions are for aditional layers. I knowtest these on the bottom right of the second picture and later knowtest are stated in the instructions. For the actual air foil things i guess u just have to guess and try to align it with the marks on the outside.

Hes forgetting the 1/25 Revell C5R :runaround:

Okay, heres an updated picture of where the louvers are being replaced. Just when I thought fitting it would be a pain, now I get to do the individual louvers, all at a 45 degree angle, too much and they'll stick outside the side skirts, dont want that.

And heres the inside slowing showing color. Im using Tamiyas Gun Metal in replace of Carbon Fiber, since I dont have the $$$ to get the CF decals :grinyes: It works better than I thought.

And heres my problem, what do I do about the wings?
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Studio 27 instructions
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Use the original Revell plastic endplate as a template by drilling all the way through the existing alignment holes and then spot them on the S27 PE part. Even though the PE part is wicked thin, you might be able to spot the holes off on the PE endplate and then knock down the alignment pins on the wing so that they at least register in the correct position even if they aren't providing a secure perch. Then use CA glue to affix the wing. Haven't gotten to this point myself (when will that happen??) but that's somewhat of a quandry. So my advice is best guess having seen this issue here the first time. Perhaps someone else has already worked through this?

So what was the deal with the engine being so far away from the rear tub bulkhead?

Wow, of all the people to respond to this post, never thought one of them would be MulsanneMike! :grinyes:

I agree about the wing, I guess the supports need to go on first before the wings. Ill try that within the next couple of days.

As for the engine and its position, I have no idea. I often use the pictures on your site for detail and such, but none of the pictures explain this problem! :lol:

Okay, so the engine is more than one problem. Another issue is putting the engine cover over the engine itself, it doesnt fit, making the cover sit too high and not properly on. Im now sanding down the inside of the cover so it can fit properly without the engine pushing it up. As for the engine sitting too far back, I believe that there are resin parts availible to help fix it.

Has anyone got the new KA models R10 detail kit? According to Strada it has 2 Photoetches, 9 resin parts, and a metal sticker and film. Judging by the pics, the 2 radiators are included. I ordered mine a few days ago...expensive, but I think its worth it.

Its at the bottom of the page to the left
http://www.stradasportsstore.com/page121.html

Okay, so the engine is more than one problem. Another issue is putting the engine cover over the engine itself, it doesnt fit, making the cover sit too high and not properly on. Im now sanding down the inside of the cover so it can fit properly without the engine pushing it up. As for the engine sitting too far back, I believe that there are resin parts availible to help fix it.

Has anyone got the new KA models R10 detail kit? According to Strada it has 2 Photoetches, 9 resin parts, and a metal sticker and film. Judging by the pics, the 2 radiators are included. I ordered mine a few days ago...expensive, but I think its worth it.

Its at the bottom of the page to the left
http://www.stradasportsstore.com/page121.html

I'd say there's something fundamentally wrong then. Is there confirmation from anyone else that this is a common problem?

When you get your KA Model's detail kit, snap some photos of what it contains and post them here.

yes, I got the Ka models kit, and I must say its awesome, its like the Dexter and S27 PE rolled into one.

the resin pieces are very good quality

and yes, the engine is off by by quite abit. I've been thinking I may cut the trans off the block and extend the engine, but that would mean I'll also have to extend the exaust pipes too

Yep, my KA set arrived today! OMG, its insane! Its pretty much the two others comebind, plus more! 4 photo etches for the brake, plus a resign peice for the caliber. The rear wing is really nice, its like the Studio 27 part, only more detailed. Im taking pictures right now. IMO, well worth the $35 I paid for them.

Sorry, my camera is having issues, so the pics are not in good quality...
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yes, I got the Ka models kit, and I must say its awesome, its like the Dexter and S27 PE rolled into one.

the resin pieces are very good quality

and yes, the engine is off by by quite abit. I've been thinking I may cut the trans off the block and extend the engine, but that would mean I'll also have to extend the exaust pipes too

While this wouldn't stop you having to alter the exhaust pipes (though it would only require you to alter the primary, not the headers), you could cut the engine from the bellhousing, put it in the correct position, and then extend the bellhousing forward. Though it's as though Revell got the engine length significantly wrong. The forward leg of the rear suspension mounts to the bellhousing about as far forward on the bellhousing as it can, therefore just behind the engine. If you move the engine forward and extend the bellhousing to fill the difference you'll end up with a large unrealistic space between the engine and the rear end. So maybe that isn't a good idea....

If were going for unrealistic, then in the empty space, Ill make a compartment and put a Playstation in it. When questioned, Dave Maraj will say "we found a new high tech way of testing." :grinyes:

Previous post updated with pics on page one

Okay, a little update. Ive been trying to get my C6R off my table, so ive finally sprayed that. Its a nice good yellow surprisenly. Needs 1 more coat. I ended up finding a problem with the chassis, taking it apart because of space that was between, fixed it, put it back together and found that the axle could no longer go through! :banghead: After some drilling I fixed it....

As for the R10, I ended up having a problem with one of the resin parts, the radiator tubes I think. They were so big that you couldnt fit the engine cover over, even with the cover sanded down so thin that you can easily snap it in half! A head on shot showed it sticking out, so I had to take a knife and cut in the shape. The picture should show it. Also, put together part of the brakes from the KA set, theyre really nice! Also the wing supports came in 3 peices apeice, very nice! I also have the wheels white, looks really nice on the rubber! Im still sanding down some areas, some painting, but waiting for my primer and pure white spray to arrive. Thinking of buying the SMS CF, but dont know which type to get...any ideas?
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very clean and very good so far, I'm definitely going with KA's version of the wing support, and that would look great in CF


Thinking of buying the SMS CF, but dont know which type to get...any ideas?

I'd go with this weave (I've seen alot of references photos and this is generally on the R10's interior and engine area

http://store.scalemotorsport.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SM&Product_Code=1000&Category_Code=4

and maybe if you feeling up to it,

use the Hi-def decals for the suspension (thats what I'm going to be doing)

http://store.scalemotorsport.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SM&Product_Code=1500&Category_Code=4


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I just finished my side louvers and cut the opened the vents, I think the reason your having problems with the louvers is because you might have made the opening too big, I checked the frame first to the fit before opening and you only wanted to remove just the venting with really no give, I'll post a pic of mine once the last one is fully cured, But I had no problem with the fit and none of them stick out of the body.

Man this make's me want this kit to.

Spike,

When I furst started with the side louvers, I used the frame to size the cutting into the mold, so the frame fits. Its the individual louvers that are placed into the frame that are giving me hell. The very first one is the smallest fit, and it wont stay in when fitted (at least not at the correct angle).

very clean and very good so far, I'm definitely going with KA's version of the wing support, and that would look great in CF




I'd go with this weave (I've seen alot of references photos and this is generally on the R10's interior and engine area

http://store.scalemotorsport.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SM&Product_Code=1000&Category_Code=4

and maybe if you feeling up to it,

use the Hi-def decals for the suspension (thats what I'm going to be doing)

http://store.scalemotorsport.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SM&Product_Code=1500&Category_Code=4



I just finished my side louvers and cut the opened the vents, I think the reason your having problems with the louvers is because you might have made the opening too big, I checked the frame first to the fit before opening and you only wanted to remove just the venting with really no give, I'll post a pic of mine once the last one is fully cured, But I had no problem with the fit and none of them stick out of the body.

The suspension on the R10 is steel, not carbon. Would be a mistake to clad them in CF decal.

The suspension on the R10 is steel, not carbon. Would be a mistake to clad them in CF decal.

ah thanks for the info

A small update for now. My 2 cans of Tamiya Pure White arrived, along with the white primer. Ive dug around online to find the directions, and doing so I found the the decal placement sheet. I fixed, whited it completely out, printed, colored the decals on, and scanned it. Also, have gotten in 4 louvers! ya! Working with the wing, from the KA kit, its tricky having to bend it correctly, you bend at the wrong part and its hard to bend back to try again. Still sanding down the engine cover, trying to fit it over the bay. I sanded down the bottom of the car, taking of the dive plans. The wheels are as crazy as someone elses, but they're white!!! they get props just for that :grinyes: . Waiting for my 2 sheets of CF to arrive and then things will get real crazy real fast!
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Maybe since Joest is taking back the team from NA, maybe Champion racing will keep one Audi and bring this great Livery back, this was the coolest livery (especially at night in photos)

I hope so too, Dave needs to bring back the colors! Ive been a huge Champion Racing fan for a long time, I have part of the side pod from the '05 R8 at Mid-Ohio.:grinyes:

If by chance they still run in silver at Sebring, I will make sure to bring my project to Long Beach and show the team what their car shoudl look like :iceslolan

So as far as updates go, this one was a long time coming, right?

So, 7 have passed since I began this project. So much has happened, and despite setbacks, I felt this was something I wanted to complete. Sometime after this last post, I ran into some photoetch difficulties. The car was a mess, and the project had been shelved in favor of other cars (ex, like my GT2 Ferrari). I started working on planes and ships instead of cars, developing my skills. Eventually around 2011, Dexter finally came out with their ALMS resin pieces, I got a copy. This renewed my interest in this build, but feeling that I had already damaged the model too much, I found a 2nd kit and started building that one. I used a different photoetch setup which was much more simple, and worked on that.

Then I founded out my family was moving. All model making was soon stopped, and packaged. I had a lot of models that were in various stages of completion, though none actually finished. So I had 30+ kits stuffed into several boxes that the moving company loaded onto the truck. 2 months later when we finally moved and got through all the boxes, I found that one of boxes was missing. I this box I not only had both Audi R10s, but their custom decals, the Ferrari, a good 8+ custom/rare decals, all my photoetch and aftermarket parts. I was crushed. The moving company searched for the missing box, but never found it. I was compensated, but it felt like all the time and planning had been wasted.

Then in April of 2014, while I was participating in my local IPMS annual show with a finished Corvette C5R (my first finished car model), I saw a Revell Audi R10 kit for sale in the swap meet area. I figured why not, I'll give it another go. Bought it for $15, and slowly started working on it. Considering the amount of time and effort spent on the previous kits, I decided to go easy and just attempt to finish this one, out of the box. Contacted the previous decal maker, who once again helped me out. And while Ive had many issues with this damn kit, I was determined to see it through. All she needs now are her antennas and a clear coat. Should be finished by next month.


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In the end, there are terrible gaps, scuffed decals, and too much dirt/hairs stuck on the car. However, despite finishing this 7 years later than planned, its kinda seemed like a great redemption. And at some point I'll be doing it again, as I purchased the Scale Motorsports kit and an additional Revell kit. I'll do twin Champion Racing Audi's, only the colors will be slightly different, based off of an older scheme. Until then, Im finishing my Fujimi Porsche (in Champion colors of course, as seen slightly in the background). I look forward to doing more Champion Racing cars.

I read your latest update and I really feel for you JTninja.
Good job on finishing the build.
Looking forward to seeing the images after the clear coat has been added.

I think most of us here has had (or are going through it now) such a project where everything is stacking up against us.
Many just give up, or feel like giving up. You pulled through :-)

definitely had a good ending to this. nice work!

Godo job!
Tranks to share your kit :-)