Not to start any flames I just want to know which one is faster since I cannot find and info or comparisons anywhere with both vechicles being tested together.

haha....must be "da max"!!!!

Well I think the maxima, has less hp, but hp means nothing. Tl pulls about 0-60 in 6.1 seconds, thats with an auto tranny, imagine a 5 speed maxima, the older ones with 30 less horse could pull it in 6.7, so it has to be up there in the high 5's or maybe just 6.0

I haven't seen any 0 to 60 numbers for the 02 Maximas. I'm not sure why any magazines haven't taken them for a road test yet. Anyway, I think the CL would have a faster 0 to 60. It's a smaller car and from what I heard, it can really fly.:jump:

From what Ive seen there 1/4 mile times suck... 15.3... :(

Last months issue of Road and Track ran a test on the 2002 TL Type-S
and it ran a 0-60 time of only 7.0 seconds!!! And it was for a 260-hp Type-S!!! Pretty damn slow...Road and Track says that the new Maxima with 260hp and the 6-speed tranny should be 0-60 in 5.7-6.0 range

Maximadave

What up Dave!!!! :D

Originally posted by Maximadave
Last months issue of Road and Track ran a test on the 2002 TL Type-S
and it ran a 0-60 time of only 7.0 seconds!!! And it was for a 260-hp Type-S!!! Pretty damn slow...Road and Track says that the new Maxima with 260hp and the 6-speed tranny should be 0-60 in 5.7-6.0 range

Maximadave

Whaz up dude!

tl type-s 0-60 = 7.0 I'm sure the new max auto will be like 6.5-6.8

What Up Brian!!! :D

Originally posted by MaximumBrian
tl type-s 0-60 = 7.0 I'm sure the new max auto will be like 6.5-6.8

WUUUZZZZZUUUPPPPP!

:bloated:

Will wait and see. Test drove the Altima SE and Maxima SE back to back. Both powerful, Altima feels lighter, weight and steering. Initially it seems the Altima get up and go quicker, and by the next gear they are about equal. I tested the automatic so...

My 2 cents only...

I would sacrifice a bose sound system and sunroof and purchase the 02 Maxima for almost the same price.

Go with the 6-speed!!! Automatics are just not fun...

again, my 2 cents

Yo Brian is that your Maxima, thats a pretty sweet! Hey what kinda lower springs did you use and how low is the drop? Also what are the size of your wheels??

I've driven a CL-S/TL-S and it's not a 7.0 second car. Try 6.4 seconds. You do realize Road and Track drove the car with out using SS at all which usually knocks off .6 seconds. Know your facts and don't be an ass.

Performance numbers are also impressive, try 0-60 in 6.4 seconds, a blistering quarter mile of ??? and a leave-them-in the dust 80-120 km/h time of 4.3 seconds.

http://www.automotive-review.com/32cl.htm

Link Review, so you guys can flame and doubt me,

search edmunds.com
or cars.com

Know your facts and stop living in the magazine world. TL-S is not 7.0 seconds.

Nissan is better anyhow, we dont need no stinking vtec....although nissan did get that Constant Variable valve timming deal on the new cars....but Maxima is still got the best v6 made
:flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa:

Originally posted by JBL85
Nissan is better anyhow, we dont need no stinking vtec....although nissan did get that Constant Variable valve timming deal on the new cars....but Maxima is still got the best v6 made
:flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa: :flipa:

You talking about NeoVVL?

NeoVVL

uhh www.nissandriven.com its somewhere in there I am to lazy to find out what its called, but its simliar to vtec, just doesnt sound cool like vtec does

This is for before i-VTEC came out. Anyways Neo VVL is like VTEC where it's cam changing. Cam changing allows more gain over cam phasing (VVT-i). To get the best of both world you need VVTL-i.

i-VTEC gives more gain than VVTL-i.

The 6-speed Maxima SE is FASTER!!:D :silly2:

tle TL-s is said to get the CL-s 6 speed tranny next year. it would make a much better race. the TL-s is a heavier car than the maxima. a much nicer car but the 02 maximas are quicker.

I think the maxima is a much nicer car, I think the 3.2TL handles nicely, (not the type s) but its still ugly looking and uncomfortable inside.

The Acura isnt any nicer or better than a maxima.:D

Well said joe, couldnt say it better myself

thanks JBL:)

oh i think maximas are great cars. they're more youthful than the acura. and right now at my age i'd probably get a maxima and lease it. but if i were to buy a car for the long-term, i'd rather have the acura. that's just me though.

I dont get why you would lease a maxima and purchase an acura.....just wondering

Originally posted by JBL85
I dont get why you would lease a maxima and purchase an acura.....just wondering

to me, the acura is a more mature car. i'm not knockin on the maxima at all. it's a very solid car all around. 5 years ago i would never consider the acura. anyone in their 20's would feel right at home in the maxima. but i'm almost 30, a family on the way, my career will be picking up. i dont' need to be "cool" anymore. i need to grow up you know? that's how i look at it.

yeah I understand that....but I dont know anyone that thinks a maxima cool, everyone laughed at me when I drove mine to high school.......i mean of course they all shut up when I smoked them......but still......got nice comments like granny mobile and my grandpa has one and all those other jokes :D

JBL85 i dunno what kind of ricers you got in cali. but in nyc everyone knows that a max is fast and will smoke most honda if its a stick. when i say most i mean civics with the basic mods along with accords. even the ricers here knows not to underestimate the max

No, its all kids with their civics adding up hp like oh I got intake and headers, thats a good 20hp....but whatever.....

I beat mainly civic Si's, Honda accords, Integras (not gsr obviously), the only thing that can take me out is the m3's and v8's (GT and SS) and the ITR and GSR (thats just in my school) On the streets I take out all 3 series bmw's

Originally posted by TatII
JBL85 i dunno what kind of ricers you got in cali. but in nyc everyone knows that a max is fast and will smoke most honda if its a stick. when i say most i mean civics with the basic mods along with accords. even the ricers here knows not to underestimate the max

you guys are so defensive about your maximas. no one's knockin on them at all. but i'll say i've never lost to a maxima. haven't ran into a 02 se yet though.

del . when youdo run into a 02 Maxima SE youll lose
:)

Originally posted by joeB
del . when youdo run into a 02 Maxima SE youll lose
:)

i wouldn't doubt it. i'll let you know if i ever get to race one. let's just hope that comes before i put this turbo on my lude.:devil:

well, yeah you can beat a maxima, were they stick shift and modified? I havent lost to a Prelude yet :D

well Del i was defending it from you. i'm just stating that the people that JBL85 are very uneducated and only judge a car by its cover and popularity. most of my friends are honda boys and they all know that a manuel max will take out and stock manuel honda's well expect for the ITR, 2000 and the NSX.

ok uneducated TatII, uhh, thats why maxima is a family sedan taking out hondas "sport injected" cars riiiiiight, anyhow the competition for the NSuX is the GTR which takes care of its business quiet fine. According to SCC, the GTR weighs more, has less power and beats the NSX on track, 1/4 and 0-60.....i am sure those 3 things judge a car quiet well.

JBL85 i didn't mean it that way. what i'm sayin is, i'm just statin to you how uneducated "some people" are. i didn't say you~ your a nissan fan, your like my bro cause of that man.

Its ok, its just fun to discuss stuff and try and prove a point about cars when there is world hunger and people are starving and dieing a few thousand miles away. :p

true that~ damn that just makes us feel soo much better as people dont it?:smoka:

well, look at ti this we way, we are guys, we like cars, we like fast cars, sooo obviously we have some edge for competitivness.....and it shows by us arguing about stuff.....and hey, its all for Shits and Grins right :D

I believe that the Acura tl-s is a much better car than the maxima. It is better balanced, the interior is much nicer. Granted it is more expensive, but no other car gives you so much for the price.

I think that the Maxima is alot nicer , and has a better interior.

Acutally the Maxima gives you more than any car for the money.

Its got a better engine too.:D

Yeah I personally dont like the inside of acura...and for using a 3.2 Liter and only making 225HP while nissan was using a 3.0 Liter motor and could make 227 on a Infiniti I30......that shows nissan is better.....also Infiniti is Acuras competitor.....or they are more in the same class.

Originally posted by joeB
I think that the Maxima is alot nicer , and has a better interior.

Acutally the Maxima gives you more than any car for the money.

Its got a better engine too.:D

both cars are extremely high in value. you have to consider the classes they're competing in. the acura tl-s comes standard with everything and the only option is the navigation system in a class where adding options usually bumps up the price considerably. the bmw 3 series is a perfect example of this. you can get one for dirt cheap (for a bmw) and pretty basic, but once you start adding on the options it gets very pricey very fast. this is why i have to say that the acura is the better value between it and the maxima.

i wanna say the base price of the standard maxima is right around $22,000, i could be wrong though. but a loaded se is a few thousand under the TL's base price and shares just about the same features. and also a audi a4 and lexus IS, all right around the same price or slightly more.

i just wonder why everyone keeps comparing an acura TL and the maxima, and not the TL and the infiniti i35, both luxury makes. grant it the TL-s is essentially the closest competitor to the maxima se (better comparison than say a maxima se and the rsx-s :rolleyes: ), and i guess you can say the i35 as well. this whole thing brings up a whole new issue. what they say about the maxima is true, there's no other car like it. i dont' know what class to put it in. it's generally not considered a near luxury sedan like the TL/I35/ES300 are, and it's not your typical taurus/accord/camry family sedan. so what is it? :confused:

Beats me what it is, everything I guess, Its one fine auto is

what I know:D :rolleyes: :)

Originally posted by joeB
Beats me what it is, everything I guess, Its one fine auto is

what I know:D :rolleyes: :)

it's too bad they're moving it upmarket. stillen isn't even planning on developing a supercharger for the new 3.5L at least not next year. i just don't see the altima rightfully replacing the maxima as it's suppposed to. i don't think the aftermarket will embrace the altima as it has with the maxima. but who knows? i never thought i'd see tricked out pontiac sunfires and chevy caveliers but they're poppin up everywhere. :dunno:

Joe....its the Finest :D

It sure is JBL, they are my favorite 4door sports sedan. :)

Well the best too:D .

;)

How many miles you got now, on the new one JBL?

Try it out yet?
:D :)

have you guys ever driven or even ridden in an m5? try that and you'll think your maxima is a geo compared to this. grant it you can buy almost 3 maximas with the money you need for an M5 but for the sole purposes of a sports sedan, the maxima and little else comes close (e55 amg, xjr maybe but IMO not quite there yet) .

Joe: I have 300 miles now....will put some more on since its a friday night....I gave it a little gas and it has some balls.....but that was just cuz I pulled out in a blind intersection and just didnt want to get rear ended.

Del: I have driven an M5...its very uncomfortable....I am sure people that buy them buy them for speed....and yes its very fast and handles like a race car....but for the money I rather modify a Maxima. :D

Oh yes....and did drive a few 95-99 m3's

Thing I noticed......the 95 M3 was SLOWWWW....it was like 80,000 and barely went....got in the 97 Auto and that thing had way more power....and then the 99 just hauled ass.....but I also think the 95 has a 3liter engine and not a 3.2 liter so that would make all the difference

And then I drove a v6 5 speed Altima and that thing hauled ass.....:D
just as much as the 99 M3

del, I wasnt comparing a Maxima with an M5 BMW, I was comparing

and saying that it was the best 4 door sports sedan for the money.

Im sure there are bettter things out there, but for alot more money too.

I personally dont like BMW's, but have you ever driven a new Camaro

Z-28, or a Z06? They are fast, but not very practical. I highly doubt

that an M5 will make any maxima look like a Geo either. You ever

drove a Maxima or an 02 with a 6 speed? Plus problems with repairs

on the BMW's really dont make it worth it.:rolleyes:

Joe some people confuse a BMW with Reliablity...which they have non....all my friends with those m3's have a lot of problems....mostly they blow water pumps like balloons....anyways....M5 is a beautiful car....for any middle class man a Maxima is safe, comfortable and reliable daily driver that can handle abuse with out signs of wear

I beat the hell out of my 97 max, had 105k when I traded it in....I was still beating Preludes and Turbo'ed Eclipses :D

Oh yeah.....has the second best v6 engine......right after the hand built NSX motor.

Yea I know JBL, my dad had a 93 7 series he bought new

in 93 and he had to let it go cause around 50,000 miles, you

wouldnt believe the stuff that went wrong with it. It was in the

shop more than we had it, so in 95 we got our first Maxima

and never looked back. I agree my 98 Maxima has 185,000

miles, and it still will fly, I havent been beat by anything yet with it.:D :)

Plus not one problem with it either JBL. Just tuned it up around 110,000

and brakes front and back once. I thought that was kinda odd bringing

up a BMW M5 that costs 80,000 dollars, compared to a car that is 25 to

32,000 at the most?,(Maxima). Ive also read that a new 02 Altima 3.5

SE gets 0 to 60 in 5.9 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 14.4 @100, thats

really not way off on speed from the M5, plus its price of 22,900

base 3.5 SE, and the BMW is 40 to 50,000 more than the Altima.

Your Maxima ever feel like it was a junk Geo? lol ::) :rolleyes: :p

Originally posted by joeB
del, I wasnt comparing a Maxima with an M5 BMW, I was comparing

and saying that it was the best 4 door sports sedan for the money.

Im sure there are bettter things out there, but for alot more money too.

I personally dont like BMW's, but have you ever driven a new Camaro

Z-28, or a Z06? They are fast, but not very practical. I highly doubt

that an M5 will make any maxima look like a Geo either. You ever

drove a Maxima or an 02 with a 6 speed? Plus problems with repairs

on the BMW's really dont make it worth it.:rolleyes:

i'm well aware of bmw reliability issues. my sister-in-law went through two 5 series, which were constantly in the shop. so now she drives a lexus gs300 and she's had no problems whatsoever. my brother has the 01 20th anniversary 5 speed maxima. it's a very nice car i agree. and it's value is one of the best out there.

Well hey Del, I will make a deal with you compare to equal cars......

I.E. a Maxima and a BMW 540....thats more fair and then look at what you get.....the Maxima can take a 540 out so.....thats more fair

and comparing an m5.....ok compare it to a stillen Maxima, im sure thats a good race. :D

Just thought I bring up some more stuff to talk about :p

Originally posted by JBL85
Well hey Del, I will make a deal with you compare to equal cars......

I.E. a Maxima and a BMW 540....thats more fair and then look at what you get.....the Maxima can take a 540 out so.....thats more fair

and comparing an m5.....ok compare it to a stillen Maxima, im sure thats a good race. :D

Just thought I bring up some more stuff to talk about :p

i wasn't tryin to directly compare the M5 and the maxima, they're in entirely different classes. i just mentioned it coz JoeB thought the maxima was the best sports sedan out there. and maybe to him and many others it is. i beg to differ though. for its price i can see that, but overall probably not. consider the heavier weight of the 540i and yeah i think a stillen supercharged maxima would be very comparable to the 540i, in a straight line race. the M5, 394hp. it's a low 5 second 4000lb+ car. a supercharged maxima could do it in mid to high 5's, with 1000 lb weight advantage over the M5.

how'd this thread get turned into a maxima versus bmw 5-series debate???:bloated: can't we ever discuss two cars that are in the same category???:rolleyes: oh well. shit happens.:D