WIP: 1/20 Tamiya Williams FW-13B Renault

Hey,

I will be building the 1/20 Tamiya Williams FW-13B Renault. This will be my first F1 model, so it will not be the best looking. If anyone has and reference pictures or suggestions about the model please feel free to tell me, this will really help me alot. I will not be adding any PE sets or anything, just going to be a normal build as I mentioned earlier this is my first F1 model.

Hope you will enjoy.

Zubski

Welcome to AF and F1 1/20th scale.

Take a look at DaveSans FW13B WIP for some inspiration. There are some photos of my first F1 build, which coincidentally was also a FW13B also on AF, which you can find a link to in my signature. I will send you a PDF via PM too.

Kind regards,
Bill

Also, you will find 14 completed photos here:

http://web.mac.com/wpinnington/Models/Gallery/Pages/Williams_FW13B.html

Hey Zubski,

The FW13B must be a popular choice to learn with. I am currently working on the FW13B as my first model. This is my first attempt at modeling since i was a teenager so first try at airbrushing, putty, primer, aftermarket decals etc. DaveSans FW13B is a great example of this kit.

Good luck with the build and looking forward to your progress.

Darren

Hey,

Thank you guys. billypee thats a great looking model thanks for the pictures.
I should have some pictures up i later on tonite.

Zubski

Hello Zubski and welcome

First thing make sure you test fit your part before final assembly. I had some problems with ride height where the wheels didn’t touch the ground just could have been my kit but would have like to knew that a little earlier in the build.

If you plan to use the decals for the blue get some Micro Set and Micro Sol decal setting solution. Just remember the Micro Sol is very strong and can melt the decals. So take your time with them especially with the bigger decals.

Here is a link to some reference photos there is not a lot out there in the way of pictures of this car.
http://www.evil-photographer.com/cars/Williams/FW13B/FW13b.htm
There is as a link to my build in my signature good luck looking forward to build please keep us informed of your progress would love to see some photos any question you cam pm me I try to help you in any way I can.

P.S. Bill and Darren thanks for the kind words :)

Hi Zubski,

There are half a dozen photos of the car on track at F1-facts.com. The Andy Mathews Clear View book of the FW14 is superb in its own right and although it is the Williams car from 1992 it is similar and will give you plenty of good reference photos for materials and colours.

Bill

Hey Zubski,

The FW13B must be a popular choice to learn with. I am currently working on the FW13B as my first model. This is my first attempt at modeling since i was a teenager so first try at airbrushing, putty, primer, aftermarket decals etc. DaveSans FW13B is a great example of this kit.

Good luck with the build and looking forward to your progress.

Darren
OMG me too this is spookey were all in the same boat

Hey,

Wow, thank you everyone.
I have a small problem. I don't know how to post the pictures, i tryed but im not sure how to, could you please help me.

Zubski

What you need to do is sign up for a free photo bucket account upload your photos there then link them to your post by copy and paste the Img code into your post. It is quite simple to do once you get the hang of it. Here is the link

http://photobucket.com/

Hey,

Thanks for the help.

OK! Finally started my first F1 model.

I puttied the little dips and sanded them(not sure what they are called).
Started to paint the Undertray. The paint went on ok, not as good as i would like. I am useing a airbrush i got cheap at walmart.
Should have more progress tomorrow.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/1.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/3.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/4.jpg

Thanks for viewing.

Zubski

Your off to a good start with the sink holes

AAA so thats what there called.
Thanks.

Zubski

im staring tomorrow going to restock on bits and bobs from the local store. then i will post the wip as i go

Hey,

Just wanted to let you know that i will not be able to post a update for at least a week or soo,because i need to buy paint and i have school to deal with also.:(


Zubski

Update

Well i went to my local hobby shop today and picked up some paint. I painted the wheels and some of the suspension. The pictures may not show the black to good.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00270a.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00269a.jpg


Question

I started sanding the tires and the seem is causing a problem. I'm not sure if i did something wrong or if i just did not sand it enough. The seem is not going away, why?

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00244a.jpg

Thanks for looking

Zubski

As for the tyres, you should try to spin the tyres using a mini rotary drill (Dremel) and then lay a piece of sand paper flat on the table and buff them up that way. You will probably need more grit if you find that this is not removing the line in the tyre.

Hey,

Thanks billypee for the advice. I have finished the sanding and can't wait to but the decals on:D

Zubski

Hey,

I have finished the Tires. The Goodyear and Eagle decals are such a pain. I lost aleast 5 in battle.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00245a.jpg

Thanks for looking...

Zubski

looking good, i dred doinf the wheels and tyres now. thanks oli

Yeah, those tyre decals are a right pain. Just replace them with decals out of your next Tamiya F1 kit, and so on, and so on :)

To minimise loosing them in battle, make sure you put the tyres on first as they will tear if you try and get them on afterwards. Also, cut the decal into a curve with the goodyear logo... you might think it is not worth the effort as you throw the card away, but not so... the curve of the card helps you place the decal in the middle of the tyre wall, so you don't have to move the decal once it is on the tyre. Rub the back of the decal with water on a wet finger until the backing paper comes free of its own accord... it can take time but will be worth it in the end. Oh, and also, I consider it almost essential to clear over the decals (use matt if you want it to look realistic)... the clear will stop the decals rubbing off when you handle or store the tyres.

Hope that brain dump helps...

Bill

thanks m8 good help:grinyes::popcorn:

Hey,

I have finished the Tires. The Goodyear and Eagle decals are such a pain. I lost aleast 5 in battle.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00245a.jpg

Thanks for looking...

Zubski

Make sure you are peeling the thin transparent backing (not the decal sheet cover) off the tire decal sheet before applying the decals to the tire. Once peeled off it will be like tissue paper, but don't touch the adhesive side! I used to just cut out the decal while it was still on the paper which made it very difficult for the decal to get wet and bond to the tire.

Hey,

Thank-you everyone.

:shakehead :banghead: :frown: I have a problem.:shakehead :banghead: :frown:

The blue decals, when i tryed putting it on the the rear wing it did not want to curve around the edge. I don't know if the decals are just old or i'm doing something wrong.

I might have to just paint all the blue. :banghead: but the blue paint it coming out kind of clear, i don't know if it's just when i use a paint brush, or if it will darken up when i airbrush it with it.

And if the decal are good or i jsut did something wrong....

How do i get the decals to go into little dipps? When i tryed to decal the rear wing all the detail went away, because i'm not sure how to make them go in the little dipps or over the little bumps.

Thanks for the help,

Zubski

I should have an update for you on the weekend. I have two study for two quizes tomorrow:disappoin.

Hey,

Thank-you everyone.

:shakehead :banghead: :frown: I have a problem.:shakehead :banghead: :frown:

The blue decals, when i tryed putting it on the the rear wing it did not want to curve around the edge. I don't know if the decals are just old or i'm doing something wrong.

I might have to just paint all the blue. :banghead: but the blue paint it coming out kind of clear, i don't know if it's just when i use a paint brush, or if it will darken up when i airbrush it with it.

And if the decal are good or i jsut did something wrong....

How do i get the decals to go into little dipps? When i tryed to decal the rear wing all the detail went away, because i'm not sure how to make them go in the little dipps or over the little bumps.

Thanks for the help,

Zubski

I should have an update for you on the weekend. I have two study for two quizes tomorrow:disappoin.

Get some Micro-Sol. Your local hobby store should have it. Its a solution that reacts with decals causing them to conform to irregular surfaces. Use it sparingly!

The blue decals, when i tryed putting it on the the rear wing it did not want to curve around the edge. I don't know if the decals are just old or i'm doing something wrong.

I have experience of the blue decals that come with the FW13B and the FW11. I used just water on the FW13B blue decals and suffered the exact problems you are... they just will not conform to lumps and bumps. I used MicroSet and MicroSol on the blue decals of the FW11 but they were too aggressive and I destroyed them... so I ended up painting the blue.

I now try and purchase Studio27 decals to replace the Tamiya decals in any model kit that is more than about 10 years old.

If I were to do this again, I would cut the white/red stripe from the edge of the blue decals, paint the blue areas and apply the stripe around the edge. This will give you the best result. If you want to persevere with the blue decals, MicroSet and MicroSol will help but use them sparingly and a little at a time. Use pin pricks to pop bubbles. Some people use a hair-dryer to warm the decal to help it mold... I have never got this to work properly myself though.

HTH... any questions just ask.
Bill

Hey,

Thank you eveyone.

I have some more done.

I filled in the sink holes and glued the front wing toghter. I painted and decaled the rear wing, it's off but its close enough. Do i have to decal the bottom side to?

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00245a-1.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00246a.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00250a.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00248a.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00247a.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00249a.jpg

Thanks for looking!

Zubski

Your doing a great job for your first F1 model. Good work filling all those sink marks.

Great work... I wish I had been advanced enough to fill in the sink holes on my first F1 model :)

Study the manual carefully for what needs to be yellow and what black on the front wing. It can all be painted by hand if you are careful. The edges of the front wing end-plates should be yellow, only the inside surface black.

This model is looking great.

Keep up the good work,
Bill

Hey,

Thanks guys,

Billypee, i took a look at your website,and man great models!!! Excellent Work.

Zubski

Billypee, i took a look at your website,and man great models!!! Excellent Work.
Thanks for the compliment :p

Coming along nicely keep up the good work

yeah, great stuff zubski. It's coming together nicely!

Hello,

Thank-you everyone for the kind words.

Well schools really being a pain right now so I am not able build any of my model at this time. I should hopefully get back to the model soon when I finally get some free time.

Here are some pictures of what I have done so far. I really can’t wait to get as good at building these as you guys are:shakehead .

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00255a.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00258a.jpg

Well i painted the yellow part of the cowl, it went on very nicely, except for one part. I think i used of used primer.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00255a-1.jpg

Thanks,
Zubski

I'm building the same kit right now and I've got the same problem as you do with the blue decals on the real wing plates. The microsol was too strong and caused one of the wing plates to wrinkle up badly. I'm debating whether to just live with it or paint it.

Anyways, good luck with your build. :)

Looks great, keep the pics coming! Cant wait to see more:wink:

Hey,

I would like to take this time to apolliges to me and my model. Some how i figured since its my first F1 kit i could rush through it and make it look like crap, and i got lazy too. Now i had some sence knocked into me, so i took some parts apart sanded them down with 100, 600, then 1500 grit sand paper to get rid of the paint. Now i will go to my local hobby shop and pick up some primer, and do everything over again. I've started with the front wing, i managed to get it apart without to much damage, but it can easiely fix it. I do not know if i will be able to save the engine though Tomorrow i should have some pictures up.


Until next time,

Zubski

great idea! i hope to see some more pics soon this is a great build and desvers 4 stars!

Hey, your FW13B knocks mine into the shade already! The induction scoop on the top of the cowling can be a pain... it is wont to split because it gets stressed whenever the rear-cowling is attached/removed from the car. If I were to make this car over again, I would look for as flexible a material to fill in the gaps as possible here. Also, consider painting the wing-mirrors and front-wing end-plates yellow at the same time so that you get a good match with the yellow on the rest of the car.

Keep up the good work,
Bill

Hey, your FW13B knocks mine into the shade already! The induction scoop on the top of the cowling can be a pain... it is wont to split because it gets stressed whenever the rear-cowling is attached/removed from the car. If I were to make this car over again, I would look for as flexible a material to fill in the gaps as possible here. Also, consider painting the wing-mirrors and front-wing end-plates yellow at the same time so that you get a good match with the yellow on the rest of the car.

Keep up the good work,
Bill


Hey

thanks for the tips, i was going to do jsut talk with the yellow, i was not pleased with the turn out so i will do it over.

:-( i just went to my local hobby shop today and they just got in the Tamiya Ferrari F2001 & F2000 also the Jordan 191, man i wish i had the money.

Zubski

Zubski theres always Christams :D lol

Hey,

Sorry it is takeing so long for an update, but i have been really busy. I would post some pictures but i can't find the camera.

Zubski

Hey,
Thank-you for all the nice coments, and helpful tips.

Update finally.

Well i finally got a little done.


Primed the Wing, ready for paint.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00255a-2.jpg

Painted some engine parts. There not the best but i think they came out ok.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00256a.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00257a.jpg

Thanks for looking.

looks very good, i love the hedders with the copper on them!

Johnny

Hey,

Thanks Johnny, i'm glad you like them.

Zubski

Looking good.Nice work on the engine parts.

Hey,

Update,

I finished the seat and stuff, lol forget the name.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00257a-1.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00256a-1.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff27/Zubski_8/DSC00258a-1.jpg

Hope you enjoy.

Zubski

Check out mine and JohnnyFerrari's Tameo build, http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=771495

I purchased Tamiya Model Wax, should i use it on F1 models? Clear,Polish,Wax?

Zubski

I purchased Tamiya Model Wax, should i use it on F1 models? Clear,Polish,Wax?

As you suspect, the wax goes on last. Once the decals are on the model and have thoroughly dried out (a week or two) then clear the body first with a light mist (a heavy coat at this point will dissolve all but the most durable decals) then wetter coats. Once the clear has thoroughly dried and is hard, polishing can begin which is where you achieve the glass-like shiny finish... the wax really is a finishing touch.

As with a road car, you can reapply wax whenever you feel like it needs a shine (before a show perhaps when the sheen has lost its lustre from too much handling).

HTH,
Bill