Hey guys check out this website. www.mclaren4sale.com The McLaren on that site is the one that is on the cover of the latest edition of Road and track. Its got some nice pics and info on the car. Check it out. Especially you XOTech. Lets us Know of any more info or background you have or can get on the car, Please.:D

thanks for the link!

I guess Mr. Kennedy got tired of his car. Or else the website is fake, who knows, I question this public of a sale of a Mclaren.

is that hte one that the guy in arizona owns?

if it is

i highly suggest not buying it (if anyone out there that can reads this) becuase if u look in the Road n Track or whatever magazine had a special on the car this month that is his car. and if u look closely...there are tons of rock chips and dings in the front and sides... which means it hasnt been that well taken care and ran hard. someone said that it is the worst mclaren on earth (in terms of condition)

The McLaren that is currently featured in Road & Track is indeed for sale. As for the condition, it is actually a quite well maintained car. The close eye will indeed find numerous chips in the front nose. I know the owner personally, and have discussed this very issue with him as I have also been allowed to promote the car to my clients. The front nose will be repainted by the time the car is sold. As for the other mechanical conditions, the car is in quite good shape. A great deal was spent at the factory with updates, repairs, and such.

This is the very same car that has been sighted in Arizona. Pictures have been previously posted here of such sightings. The car was also at the Monterey, California Concorso Italiano this year (2002).

As for the nature of the public sale, well, originally, the car was priced a bit high for the relative market, but as a result of insufficient response, it has been reduced to a more reasonable amount considering the work that has been done.

If the paint condition of the car was the sole defining factor in the sale of the car, it can be repainted at a reasonable cost. A cost that could quite possibly be negotiated in the final price, if such interest existed.

Considering the car is already here in the US, it would make a very good car at the right price. I do not have a financial stake in the sale of the car (unless I sell it directly), but I personally would not question the quality of the car. If an owner were really serious about the car, any necessary repairs can be performed.

... Mclaren for sale

http://www.carclassic.com/html/DF42.htm
http://www.thecarexperience.com


Did you know why there is so much Mclaren for sale ?

I mean, this is "the best car ever", "only 100 were built", ... but if you decide to buy a Mclaren on 2004/06/08 for example, I'm sure there will be a mclaren for sale this day !

Why ?

Is it just an investment for some people ?
Own this car is to expensive even for very rich person ?
It's not a good car ?

Or is it normal ?

jkbon, Impressive homework. There are always cars of every kind for sale, even the extremely rare cars. For example, one would think that once a owner acquires a very expensive and rare car, he would be inclined to keep it for some time. Sometimes that is the case, it may be kept for 5, 10, even 15 years. However, usually what happens is these cars are bought and sold for a variety of reasons. Sometimes for financial gain. Other times for corporation/tax use. There are other reasons as well.

When it comes down to it, nearly every car is for sale at some price. Many owners will offer their cars for sale publicly at a price that they would be willing to sell, but meantime don't expect it to sell.

The McLaren has been gaining in market value in huge numbers. In the last year, the McLaren has increased in price from around $700,000 to now $1.2M in Europe. A converted US car was about $1M and now is $1.4-1.5M. There have been between 10-15 cars change hands over that period of time. As capable buyers gain stature and wealth, the car they desire most is what they pursue. The McLaren has been quite popular as of late.

As a result of the added interest and market increase, that draws out other cars for sale that owners would be willing to sell for some profit. On the other hand, I am aware of many cars that may well be advertized, but are nothing more than a picture and an internet description. I see often cars offered for sale that have been sold months before. With the internet, it is very hard to determine credibility and thus there are many cars that are simply not real.

Generally, McLarens and other cars of high stature are sold far outside of the pubic eye. They do not need to be advertized. If a buyer wants a McLaren or a 250 GTO, he will find the right source that offers the best results and pursue the purchase. McLarens are seldom sold as a result of heavy advertising.

thanks xo tech
why are the prices in usa higher? cause of the luxury tax? (isn´t that tax silly?)

I would think it's since the cars are already converted to US Specs and don't have to go through the millions of miles of red tape.

BTW XO, does the 250 classify in the same 'price' category as the Mclaren? I recently read an article on the 250 GTO, stating that its market value has gone up much in recent years, but when one does surface, the value tends to fluctuate a lot.

For example, one was recently sold in Monaco (I think, I forget the exact place, it was European) for an astounding $13,870,000. That's is roughly 10 times a Mclaren's price for really, half the car. This seemed to be an anomaly though, some GTO's were said to have changed hand for no more thna $3,000,000 USD only a few short years ago. I think it depends more on the previous owner however.

I only bring up the point, because this takes this new spending to an extreme, and in these cases, what are owners buying these cars for? Questions were asked about the Mclaren's use, and Mr. Murray himself said that "most Mclaren's we see come back to us with very high mileage on the odometers" so it's quite evident that Mclaren owners are drivers. The GTO however, are they driven by there owners, I think it would be interesting to know how much these cars have been driven.

BTW, there are many GTO's that are owned by high profile people, such as Ralph Lauren, Tommy Hilfiger and others.

I just have a great interest in the condition of those 33 GTO's.

* I hope you enjoy this post, I wrote it once, then I got a "The server is too busy" had to copy it quickyl and post again several days later. Such a hassle these days.

Since this is a McLaren thread, I will be brief.

The 250 GTO ranges in price widely because of several things. Race History, restoration status, and percentage of originality (ie: not rebuilt from a taillight and a damaged fender - recreating the rest of the car). These items of interest tend to be the most important in determining the price of the 250 GTO. It all comes down to the fact that it is a piece of art and history rather than a performance car. In that respect, it will always bring more money than a McLaren.

The difference lies in the fact that the McLaren was built to be driven, whereas the 250 GTO is a statement of an era gone by.

$13 Million is very high even for a 250 GTO. I suspect the car is very original, is probably in concourse condition, and has tremendous race history.

As you may know, Ralph Lauren also has two McLaren F1's.

BTW, the higher price for the McLarens in the USA is precisely due to the conversion costs and importation fees, also the higher cost of shipping the car back to the factory for necessary servicing should the repair or maintenance be more complicated than the local service center can provide (quite rare actually).

The most miles I have ever seen on a McLaren is over 56,000km. Quite high. The car was in relatively decent shape.

I have troubles with the server as well. I typically copy my messages as habit before I send them.

Don't worry boys, we'll soon be moving to 2 servers that will be more than adequate for our needs. Igor has already finalized everything and we are just waiting for that magical day to come, whenever it may be.

Ok, once again I have to reply to this thread because I know what is going on. I just spoke with a man whose name I cannot give out this tuesday, and he met me at a store to give me a ride in his F40. I asked him about Dan Kennedys McLaren and he told me that he was selling it. He said that Dan Kennedy was selling it because the value was starting to drop, no joke, and that it would not be a good investment to keep anymore. This is the reason it is being sold, the site is not a joke just look at it. No one can just go grab pics off of the internet of the inside of the custom McLaren because as far as I know, there is not a site that Dan put up containing pictures of his car. So the site is legit and so is the sale.

it´s still for sale?
i always thaught when there´s one for "offer" one day later it has a new owner...

I talked to Mr.Kennedy about a week and a half ago (I've been shopping around for a Mclaren) and as of then he said he had a deposit.

Originally posted by lambo_VT
I talked to Mr.Kennedy about a week and a half ago (I've been shopping around for a Mclaren) and as of then he said he had a deposit. Have you contacted XOTech about obtaining a McLaren? He would be most helpful in your search.

Yup,
I actually just got done speaking to him.

and another one

strange red, and rims


http://www.qv500.com/adsvendorf1.htm

http://www.qv500.com/ADV%20Private%2003%2002%2018%20F1%20a.jpg http://www.qv500.com/ADV%20Private%2003%2002%2018%20F1%20b.jpg http://www.qv500.com/ADV%20Private%2003%2002%2018%20F1%20c.jpg

and another silver one
http://www.qv500.com/adstaylorf1.htm

Originally posted by jkbon
and another one

strange red, and rims


http://www.qv500.com/adsvendorf1.htm

http://www.qv500.com/ADV%20Private%2003%2002%2018%20F1%20a.jpg http://www.qv500.com/ADV%20Private%2003%2002%2018%20F1%20b.jpg http://www.qv500.com/ADV%20Private%2003%2002%2018%20F1%20c.jpg

The owner of that red F1 has abselutely no taste.. Who would put such shameless rims on a F1?

Originally posted by I-Tech
The owner of that red F1 has abselutely no taste.. Who would put such shameless rims on a F1?

I fail to see what could possibly be shameless about adding a wheel that is so similar to the wheels used on every '97-spec F1 GTR long tail to your F1 road car. :confused:

**Check out the photo below of the wheels lined up in front of the Gulf-Team Davidoff F1 GTR racing trailer.

Those wheels are made by OZ Racing and feature the same centerlock hub design used on the standard McLaren F1 wheel. Sure there may be similar wheels on the market that use a standard lug system, including OZ's own street version known as the Super Turismo, but I asure you that those wouldn't be some cheap knock off.

If you want to see an ugly wheel on a McLaren F1, check out the photos of Dan Kennedy's F1 at SEMA this past year or look at the modular wheel McLaren Cars chose for the long tail road car, the F1 GT.

FYI: All of the other LM-kitted cars that I have seen use the original '95-'96-spec GTR wheel btw, so it appears this owner was just looking for something a bit different.

>8^)
ER

I agree with I-Tech all the way. Those wheels are hideous! They look like the wheels on the Mercedes CLK-GTR, I mean Heres the McLaren from Sema, I think these are the best rims I've ever seen on the McLaren, IMO. Peloton25, I-Tech never said anything about the wheels being cheap. Everyone though is entitled to their own opinion, and respect that. This is just my view.

Originally posted by TexasF355F1
I agree with I-Tech all the way. Those wheels are hideous! They look like the wheels on the Mercedes CLK-GTR...

That's because it was a very common choice for lightweight racing wheels at the time. It's not that anyone is copying someone elses design - lots of teams used the very same wheels from OZ.

To say that it was shameful implies to me that I-Tech feels those wheels are cheap or substandard for inclusion on an F1 and for that I call him wrong. If you or he chooses not to like the design, that's fine, but he needs to word it as such.

I mean Heres the McLaren from Sema, I think these are the best rims I've ever seen on the McLaren, IMO.

E-gads!!! :eek: :eek: Do we really have to see that again?? :(

Apparently you find those wheels attractive. Personally, I don't even think a wheel like that belongs on the Hummer H2 that was towing it. I guess that is the style that some people prefer but it's outrageous to go adding a wheel like that to the F1.

I had always thought there'd be no chance for someone to add "dubs" to a McLaren because of the high cost associated with making wheels to fit the centerlock bolt system. When I saw that at SEMA I was simply shocked. To put 'looks' above 'performance', which I will guarantee those heavy chrome wheels would affect, is almost sacrilege in the case of the F1. If Gordon Murray were dead people would say that he was "rolling in his grave". Since he's alive, hopefully he has flown to Arizona to smack Dan upside the head.

>8^)
ER

Gentlemen,

I am aware of both cars that you list here for sale. Both cars are of reasonable quality and are priced accordingly at market value. In the case of the downforce kit car, the owner has indeed installed the longtail-type wheels. I don't mind the wheel at all. I think they look better on the longer car, but it is indeed something different. I do like the red color, but I don't find it as attractive as the burgundy that was painted on the clinique model for promotional purposes. I think we discussed that at length in another thread.

The silver car is a stock car with no frills or extras. Moderate miles and again market priced.

Peleton, I do agree with you, the wheels on Dan's car are not to my liking at all. I am of the opinion that the original is best. Not only that, the original wheels are designed to perform within the ability of the car. There is no question as to whether or not the wheel can handle the speeds and agility that the car can dish out. You can trust the original equipment.

With the shiny chrome "dubs", they are not certified to even be able to go freeway speeds. There are very few wheel manufacturers that actually have their wheels Engineered to handle specific limits and are certified as such. If I had the chance to drive that car with those wheels, I would in no way risk my life and the car to speeds more than 70-100mph. As to the look, well, that is up to each individual, but for me and performance, only original will do.

I feel the red downforce car should have the LM-type wheels on it. They are the correct wheel to accurately emmulate the LM look they have achieved with the downforce kit in the first place.

I agree that original is the best for supercars, especially the McLaren. And I know not everyone likes aftermarket wheels, and respect that. Just one thing, I'm almost positive that those wheels are the same as the factory specs, not DUBS. I think this b/c of the size of the tire. It appears to be a 35 series tire.

Texas,

The tires installed on the car can are correctly rated for the speeds the McLaren can achieve, but the wheels have not been tested to 200+mph. They are not rated for that level of stresses. The tires, yes, the wheels no.

The stresses and loads present in a wheel on a car doing 200mph are unbelievable. Also keep in mind these wheels (also the original) are aluminum castings, some of them are billet. A billet wheel is in most cases superior in strength to a cast wheel. The main reason being the billet is made at a forging company that can control every aspect of the alloy and result in the desired alloy with specific strengths and ductility. The higher quality cast wheel manufacturers also heat temper their cast wheels. This does make them noteably stronger, but typically not stronger than a billet wheel.

The difference in a billet wheel from a cast wheel is a billet wheel is 100% machined. A cast wheel is molten aluminum poured into a mold. It may later be machined in areas to result in a desired appearance, but it is still a cast wheel. Better still than even billet is a forged wheel. The forging process allows the metal matrix to be further compressed which translates into strength.

One other concern is the fact that if a casting is not done properly or to high enough standards, the chroming process can actually make the wheel weaker. Fatigue and stress fracturing can propogate micro cracks initiated by the chroming process. In time, these micro cracks can become Macro Cracks at speed, the result is not pretty.

I won't run chrome wheels on any exotic unless I do the research on the manufacturer to be sure they have properly qualified the wheel. For normal cars, it isn't near the problem, because the speeds and forces are much lower. Buying a correctly rated tire is the easy part. :)

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Originally posted by SilverLotus340R
is that hte one that the guy in arizona owns?

if it is

i highly suggest not buying it (if anyone out there that can reads this) becuase if u look in the Road n Track or whatever magazine had a special on the car this month that is his car. and if u look closely...there are tons of rock chips and dings in the front and sides... which means it hasnt been that well taken care and ran hard. someone said that it is the worst mclaren on earth (in terms of condition)

just shows that they actually drove the car. if i could ever own a F1 it would have many dead bugs and rock chips cuz i would be driving it around like no other. btw, there is alot of construction in AZ and alot of fucking dump trucks with rock in their beds.:(

that must be the mclaren from the cannonball run

Originally posted by 2cooljay
Hey guys check out this website. www.mclaren4sale.com The McLaren on that site is the one that is on the cover of the latest edition of Road and track. Its got some nice pics and info on the car. Check it out. Especially you XOTech. Lets us Know of any more info or background you have or can get on the car, Please.:D

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