Hello everyone, I registered on this forum just because I have this new info for everyone in the U.S. who has waited forever for this car. I'm not releasing it yet, but I'll probably be posting it in a week or so, so watch for new posts. You know what's up!

Why wait??:devil:

cuz I don't want to give out bogus info, I want to confirm it first, plus there's still a couple of details I don't know.

so when are ya going to post the HARD INFO u have? haha so i see tat you posted it costs around $30K to $35K? so it must be around 276hp? not detuned am i right? wooHoO! i hope so!

I hate to say it but the only EVO we will get is a detuned version. I have be searching through the internet and on every stat I have found for the 276 hp version has also said 97+ octane gas only. So that means unless they do some major retuning for 92 octane we will get a detuned version. Unfortunately when running boost more octane means more power. Sport Compact Car seems to think that the EVO will definitely be brought over as early as October of next year but to compete with the WRX. In my mind that means it will need to be under $30k to get a piece of the pie. I am still waiting for xencloud to give some hard answers, but he seems to be waiting until everyone else speaks first. C'mon man throw us a bone before your news is worthless.

Cheers,
Al

Alright, anybody who wants the good info can MAIL me! That will get rid of all the lazy-asses. No lazy-asses can have the inside line on such a spectacular car! My e-mail should be under my info, but if it isn't let me know via forum. Anyway, hope to hear from the you guys, please don't bash me for hoarding these things, I just want mine first!

To the people that are saying if evos are brought to the US they will be slower and or detuned because they use 97 octane in Japan. Using higher octane does not neccessarily mean more power or performance. Octane is a rating of the gas' likeliness to pre-ignation aka knock or ping. For example if a car can run with zero degrees of knock retard on 1.2 bars of boost on 93 octane, using higher octane will not produce anymore power or performance. As the boost is turned up, higher octane is required to prvent pre-ignition. I dont have any experience with evos so i dont know what octane is required to run sJap tock boost levels safely in the US.
peace, mike
waiting for US Evos

If I'm not mistaken, Sport Compact Car's latest issue features the EVO VII in which they've also printed "COMING TO AMERICA : EVOLUTION" in bold. It'll be detuned to match the WRX's performance, and it'll be around $24,000.

So ummm it's all good isn't it? I think so! :frog:

*shrugs* :confused:

As i said in my previous post it says 97 or greater has to be used, in my mind meaning that if they shipped it over here as is 92 octane would not cut it and the computer would automatically start retarding the timing. At least this is what i was trying to say in my previous post. I would say that 275 hp is still attainable from the EVO motor but with additional tuning. Either way i have no idea what mitsu will bring so i guess we will see.

Cheers,
Al

Man, i'm running out to get a sport compact now, because if superposition is right, I hope they do tune it to the wrx's standard and reduce the price(although I doubt it, but regardless, I'm getting one)), because it would be so easy to modify it to meet and exceed the original motor, which would blow any wrx away(and just about anything else on the road). By the way, the 280 hp claimed by mitsubishi is a technicality. For everyone who's mailed me, add this to your info, the guy in CA claimed that they only had to de-tune it because it was producing well over that, more like 320-330hp+. I have a mag from the UK to confirm that, because it had some evo 6's (exact same engine)with minor mods like just an exhaust and intake, and on the dyno, these cars were producing 340-350 hp!!! The mag mentioned how mitsubishi greatly under-rated the engine to meet the law in japan. As everyone knows, no car in japan can "officially" produce over 280hp, so all sports cars, even skylines are rated at 280hp. Man, I can't wait!

the 276hp rule isnt a law but a gentleman's agreement between the car manufacturers to keep from going through the horsepower wars that america had in the 60's. I have read rumors that the manufacturers are going to raise the limit to 320 hp. Either way dont believe any of the manufacturer's hp claims, the skyline has been underrated for years. Considering that the R33 had 276hp and when the new R34 came out with claimed engine refinements and a heavier chasis it somehow put up better 0-60 and better 1/4 mile times. Go figure.

Cheers,
Al

subaru is supposed to bring the WRX STi over to the U.S. not to long from now.... so mitsubishi will have to bring over the full 280hp evo or else they'll have no chance of competing

The wrx STi won't be hitting u.s. shore until next fall is what I've read so far. They are planning on releasing it as a 2003 model. As I've told everyone who mailed me, the evo vii will be here bfore that, but it will be de-tuned. I'm guessing that's why they're getting the jump on subaru time-wise. Because if they had to de-tune the evo, the specs on the two cars wouldn't match up, subaru would have a definite advantage if they were both released together around the same time. People would say, "ame price, same specs, but the STi has 280hp, and evo has less! So I'll go with the STi" I mean, anyone who has done some research would know that the evo vii is still potentially a much better performing car with like one or two relativley cheap mods(I mean the potentially de-tuned U.S. version here, the japanese standard version is already better with no mods at all) But you can't count on people to research cars around theW/ll the media, people would take one look at the hp spec and say, " Hey, my STi is the shiznit, man, I can beat all those stupid evo's, UHuHuHuh!" Idiots like that don't take time to look at the fact that the turbo on the wrx's isn't as good, and doesn't give power over a broad range like the evo. That's also why they're probably only shipping a limited number of evo vii's. I can't wait for someone to pull up next to me with an STi, man. They will see exactly who's mis-informed and who's read up on their stuff. There's a lot of mis-guided people because of all the myths floating around. There's about fifty volumes that could probably be written about the stories behind these two cars! All I can say is that everybody who's ridden in an evo vii knows the specs are way off, it's a much underrated car, and it will continue to be underrated, but for people who know their stuff, it's a way to show everyone that hey, YOU may THINK you know your cars, but I REALLY know what's up!

Hey Xencloud.. so lets ask you

Will the EVO VII that comes to america.. be detuned to around 230 hp or Detuned to 280 hp?! i Hope it fully comes 280hP.. shouldnt it? if it costs 33k-36k? it should!


I think Mitsubishi of America shouldnt just bring one to compete WRX but to also compete STi then..

Good point! I hadn't thought of that. It depends on if they want to rate the car accurately. It could go four ways. They don't de-tune it(Idon't think this is much of a possibility at this point, it's far from meeting emissions standards at that power) and say it has 280hp when it's really like 320. They de-tune it to 280 and say it has 280--wow, an accurate figure! They could de-tune it to 230 to "officially" match the wrx, but it could be really around 280. Or they could actually de-tune it to 230, which I also think is not likely considering the price, but you never know. I think no matter what they do to it, they will leave it possible to get it back up to 320 or so just like the rest of the world. All I'm really interested in knowing is what exactly they're doing to it. Consider this, even if they do de-tune it to a measely 230, but for $1500, you can get the car up to not only the original 320 hp, but a whopping 400+ hp, isn't it still worth buying one? I mean, if you're spending that much cash, what's an extra $1500. I think those hp figures are easily attainable on this car. I have a Japanese Performance magazine where all they did was tweek the car, I mean , listen to this list of parts they added--exhaust, intake, fuel cotroller, fuel-pressure regulator, boost pressure revision kit, fuel pump re-wiring. As far as I know, none of those are big$ pieces of equipment, and they got this car tuned to an every-day driver that did 340hp at the wheels, which is probably slightly over 400 under the hood. Even if it's de-tuned to 230, and they don't do any permanent damage to the engine, it's still worth it, just from it's potential. Sure, it sucks the manufacturer couldn't have just given you the car at 320hp, but if you were going to tweek it anyway, the only extra part you'd have to add to that list would be a new chip that doesn't limit the engine. Also about the gas octane question, I heard shell was considering bringing optimax gas over to the u.s.(like 98 octane I think), is this true?

This car was made to compete(and beat) the STi ayway, so I don't think they'll screw it up too bad--------hopefully! Or else they won't sell any of them!

Sunoco already offers what they call race gas a select gas stations that i have bought before. I believe its 100 octane.
later mike

So far the highest I have seen in the washington DC area is 95 octane.......where do they sell 100oct....I know we can use additives to boost the 95 to 100 from the shop for $4. But gas stations?? :flamer:

I ve seen the 100 octane in a couple different Sunocos in PA. Its a purple colored pump and i believe it says race gas

there is a station here i clevland that has full out 116 octane.
the guy drag races, so he has it for his car. and my friend goes there all the time.

on the evo.
the rumors that i have seen, which are related to autoweek, which is where it seems xencloud gets the same info.
there are unofficial meetings (internal) that state the evo will come. nothing officially announced. that info is from a mitsu north amer employee.
the sti is coming here w/ more hp. in 2003 as a 2004. its in the imprezza forum. go loook. i posted the info.
remember that that 276hp is a claimed ceiling.
i have read about stock stis and evos hitting the the dyno to the tune of 300ish at the wheels. stock. no that isnt bullshit.
its like the sixties when a boss 429 mustang had ONLY 425hp, but a dyno showed closer to 550. they did that for insurance reasons. and that is well documented.
so the one we get will be detuned. but it is better than what we got. so who cares...

My info is NOT from autoweek! I had to look a lot harder for the info I mailed to everybody, like two weeks of phone calls, man!

"Test Drive it":bloated: :bloated:

Originally posted by carz
"Test Drive it":bloated: :bloated:

how are we supposed to test drive a car that's not here?

i can vouch for xen...he had to do some seriuos digging to get what he got. Of course 276hp is claimed hp by the jap car makers, it is an agreement to advertise no more then 276hp. I have heard rumors that they are going to raise this gentleman's limit to 320 hp, but that is just rumor. On the gas subject it all depends on what the suppliers want to distill. They dont have to import gasoline at least that is what it sounds like people are saying, which is ridiculous. The higher octanes are expensive because less of it is produced in the distillation process and it takes longer to produce. I had roommates that were petrologists and some of my nomenclature may be wrong but that is the idea. If enough people bitch it is just like anything else and gas stations will provide it. Personally i dont think there is enough demand. Just my 2 cents and hopefully someone that works at an oil refinery can comment on the gas thing.

Cheers,
Al

i didnt mean to put ya down, but im just sayin that they had that evo info about two months ago... so hey...
same about the sti... that is last weeks issue... geez

The Evo VII and STi are pretty equal, but the EVO is a bit better. But they both respond well to mods. I would love to blow away an ass in a stang, though:D

it costs more than a mustang so it should be faster :D :D

The new STi is better than a new EVO VII, In my old post I was thinking of the last STi.

Originally posted by Chris
The new STi is better than a new EVO VII, In my old post I was thinking of the last STi.

i'd rather have an EVO..... i'd probably take the EVOVI though

I'll take 2 of each, 1 stock and 1 modified beyond belief!:D

wrx has what you call turbo lag...and it's really bad...so comparing it with the evo vii no contest...sti will be the same...for all the wrx owners you know what i mean...out of all the polls i read...they stated the evo vii is all around better...there seems to be alot of confusion here but the sti will be u.s. bound 2003 as a 2004 model...technically i would rather get a wrx than a wrx sti...just the fact it's 4-5000 dollars cheaper and from my understanding it's just a simple ecu upgrade...thats just me...just have to do without the bigger intercooler the cold spray to it...the gold 17 in rims....and bigger brakes...oh yeah and dont forget the nice interior...evo vii will be here next year...dont know for sure if it'll be called the evo vii or just lancer...my thoughts is that it'll be just lancer and once sti sets foot on shore here...they will have the evo vii to match the sti...we'll just have to wait and see....oh yeah isn't this the dopest car you've ever seen?

http://home.iprimus.com.au/lancerz/E7NY2.jpg

I will have to disagree about the STi. You get bigger, cooler wheels, a bigger turbo and intercooler, better interior, huge Brembos, body kit (including new lights, thank god!!), better tranny, etc, etc. It is well worth the extra dough, IMHO.


Look around to other forums, and I have said (with agreement from others) that it basically comes down to personal choice and what type of driving experience you like better.

PS I wish Subaru would get a titanium/aluminum turbine, it would really reduce lag. The EVO has one.

Oh, and welcome to AF:)

I would much rather have an EVO i just think it's a better rounded car, but mainly just personal preference. I don't like how the WRX looks as much as an EVO.... but i'd still take a WRX STi :D no problem, heh

but i would much rather have a R34 Skyline GT-R than both of'em cause i wouldn't be doing any rallying so i might aswell get a car made for the road, hehe :D

thanks for the warm welcome...still waitng patientlly for the evo to come here...you sound pretty smart...do you know any websites for bodykits for the evo vii? thanks...

Originally posted by evo619
wrx has what you call turbo lag...and it's really bad...so comparing it with the evo vii no contest...



Owning both I really beg to differ. The EVO is MUCH more laggy than the Scoob. Both car have fully decatted open exhaustsytem from the turbo on. The only difference beeing that the Scoob is 2.5" in diameter and the EVO 3". The scoob will beat the EVO on a short sprint anytime. On the long run the Scoob is out of breath.

I agree that as an EVO owner this is annoying (beeing beaten by my wife driving the Scoob). So I'll be going for the PE remap that should take me upt to 330hp and 440 Nm torque.

Nico

That smaller exhaust has something to do with it, the air has to travel faster and with more force to get out, so it will spool up the turbo faster.

Some sites, well, since it ain't here, I dont have any off the top of my head. I will look later, though.

I emailed mitsubishi in England. Try speed-options.com. Also, see if you can get your hands on a Fast Car magazine (its British, it can be very useful)

subura does have a bad turbo lag worse than evo...because it does not have the titanium/ aluminum turbine.....

EVO 619,

My question is, have you actually driven both???? I OWN and DRIVE both an EVO VI and an Impreza turbo. My expirience is completely different. On the SCOOB boost comes in from 2,750 RPM upwards and then dies off above 5,500 RPM. On the EVO boost really starts at 3,800 and holds allmost to the redline.

For this reason I am thinking about adding the PE remap to the EVO. Due to less fuel (the standard EVO setting is VERY VERY rich) and changed timing (off boost) I am hoping for better throttle response and a less laggy feel on the EVO. Oh yes, boost gets upped as well. (1.5 bar peak and 1.35 bar holding).

Nico

I havent found a body kit yet. Mitsubishi directed me to Ralliart, and they have said they will e-mail me when either they or someone else introduces a body kit. I will e-mail you when I get informed.;)

Sooooo..........In short, When and where in the US is the EVO 7 going to be released?? I was about to buy a WRX when i caught news of the EVO. The only reason I was going to get a WRX was because that's what I had to settle for. I heard the EVO's going to cost about 28.000. Need some info thanx all!!!!

Call Mitsubishi. We will have to wait probably for another year for it, though. :rolleyes: :(
Too bad, competetion always makes for a faster product:D

Originally posted by rEVOlution
I heard the EVO's going to cost about 28.000

i'm guessing it'll be mid to low 30k.... there's no way it'll be under 30k
plus expect dealer mark ups

In Florida, T-birds were selling for $68000- 30000 over sticker!!:eek:

Originally posted by Chris
In Florida, T-birds were selling for $68000- 30000 over sticker!!:eek:

that's insane... i would never pay that much over sticker, just gimme an M3

I hope you dont mind my butting it but here's a link with some information you all may find helpful or interesting.


EVO VII Info (http://pub29.ezboard.com/fmirageperformancefrm21.showMessage?topicID=2732.t opic)

Hey spudgrl, There are many EVO VII RS2s that have reached the US shores already from private importers, without tuning done to them, and are LHD. So that still does not change the situation, the car in the pic has the MPH, that can be done at the importers that are selling it here in the US. What I want and I think many others in this forum is hard evidence(doc.) from credible Mitsubishi representatives that the car is here and going to be sold at a certain date after it goes through the appropriate changes. So far all the reports I have gotten in reality, are speculations and opinions as to when it is arriving. It is amazing how secret this cars release is being kept. What for I don't know. It's not like mitsubishi is releasing a secret weapon...but then again... :smoker2:

This could be the :badass: that is going to revolutionize or should I say evolutionize the american taste for cars.

welll to me that info is off the hook to me.

It a like mitsubishi releasing its secret weapon in america FINALLY!!!

since 3000gt dont exists mitsubishi is lacking an affordable sports car.

i hope those pictures are real and since he said its not modified or nothing and its from MMSA itself.. im happy!

LanCeRzEvO -

He took the pics himself and I would imagine with him being a Mitsu employee he'd know a little more than the average person would ... maybe it's useless information but I thought I'd share anyway. :jump:

Originally posted by LanCeRzEvO

since 3000gt dont exists mitsubishi is lacking an affordable sports car.


affordable car?? Mitsu has alot of affordable cars, Lancer and Eclips GS/RS.... those are about as affordable as it gets

alot cheaper than a 3000GT

or was that a type saying that mitsubishi is missing a performance car in the U.S.

:dogpile:

I know alot of ppl are trying to find a bodykit for the EVO VII's and here's what I'm going to use for my 2002 lancer -> EVO VII conversion project.

http://www.damd.co.jp/p_se/lancer_evo.html

at the moment, custom paint blue paint, JDM headlights, grill, rear emblem, steering wheel, and adding an ADVAN 17" RG RACING RIM (GOLD).

You can go here for tons of accessories and parts for the EVO's.

http://www.ralliart.co.jp/home.html

Hope this info comes in handy!

-moony

Trust me , EVO VII and US Lancer have TOTALLY different body.
Those body kits from Japan are truely for True EVO VII.

Compare the photos and you will find out !

:dogpile:

According to the information i have, the EVO's are made from the same body types from the Lancer Cedia Sedan's in Japan (which is the same thing as the U.S. 2002 Lancer's)

I too was concerned about the different body but i was informed from my Mitsubishi dealer saying that YES they can add a JDM EVO VII front bumper. In order to do that though, you have to also change the grill insert to the EVO VII style.

But i'm gonna try it anyways...i'll keep you guys updated if it'sa success!

Wish me luck

-moony

For those people think EVO VII has less turbo lag than WRX...You are definitely wrong..

EVO VII has more turbo lag due to front mount intercooler.

WRX STi is not only ecu upgrade. There is lots of reports you can find outside America (maybe all other contries ) that STi has different engine ( we call it red head EJ20 in Taiwan) internal mods than a regular WRX, different suspension, different intercooler, different turbo and six-speed manual (EVO VII got five-speed manual) not to mention the exterior differences.

Refer to AUTOCAR magzine from UK 13 Hune 2001 issue " New EVO VII vs Hottest Impreza" :

0-60 EVO 4.7 WRX STi 4.6
0-100 EVO 12.7 WRX STi 12.5

They are both such good cars !! and my next car is going to be EVO VII or STi BUT no one will say WRX STi is bad in the world.

Yes, US Lancer is the same with Lancer Cedia ( also the same with Lancer Cedia in my country) but Lancer EVO is much bigger and wider than Lancer Cedia....It may need a lot of body work to convert it ..

Anyway, it is a good news if you can convert it into EVO Look !! Please inform us if you do it successfully !:)

Good Luck !!

:flash:

:dogpile:

hey thanx for the info aek5513!

yea, actually this is what i calculated...

LANCER CEDIA (JPN):
length=4480mm x width=1695mm x height=1430mm

LANCER EVO VII (JPN):
length=4455mm x width=1770mm x height=1450mm

2002 LANCER OZ RALLY EDITION (USA):
length=4511mm x width=1695mm x height=1394mm

overall, the US Lancer is roughly 2" longer, width wise 3" shorter than the EVO VII, and roughly 2" shorter than the EVO VII

in conclusion, your'e probably looking at a loss of 1.5" for both left and right side if installing the JDM EVO VII style front bumper to the US Lancer. Nothing a wide fender flare kit can fix ;)

-moony

:D According to the LA Auto Show that just happened like a week ago, and you can even check there webstie. www.laautoshow.com it has very little info about the Evo VII. WEll I think it's enough info to excite people but not everyone for those who want all specs. WEll under concept cars it says that they plan to bring the Evo VII to the U.S. next year of 2003 in the spring time. Don't know what month just in General "Spring". It also mentions that the EvoVII will not have 230hp or 280hp but more like a whooping 350hp :D Isn't that a huge surprise. ~plz after reading that plz take a deep breathe and calm down.~ This is all the info I can share. For those who went to the LA auto show and heard and saw info about the car it would be very nice of you to share specs or anything else people would like to know. Don't be stingy :( OH yea what would be really helpful would be the estimation price of the car.
But then again that might not be the car they sell. because in the the Mitsu site it shows specs of the car

http://www.mitsucars.com/ourcompany/roadahead/roadahead_bottom.mmsa?chkauto=RACC#EVO1

And it says 276hp. hmmmmmmmmmm. isn't that strange. we'll have to wait a lil longer until 2003 to actually find out. so hold your horses.

I don't really care about the horses...if it's tuned down, it can always be tuned back up. the important thing is if the US version retains the AYC and ACD. if it retains the brembos and recaros, that would be nice too

Don't be surprised if it doesn't have AYC. I have been hearing the AYC is going to be ditched to make room for a bigger fuel tank. They feel people in the US would want more than a 12 gallon tank. When this was brought up on lancerforums.com current EVO owners actually thought it was a good idea! They don't like their AYC and most of them are taking it off! They said it would be a double bonus...bigger tank...no AYC.

ok im tired of reading that bs....we all know the evo is gonna have 250 or more hp...its not gonna compete with the wrx, it is gonna compete with the sti...blah blah blah........the following year their gonna bring out the 276 hp.......rumors, rumors rumors i like how this guy says he has hard facts, but than says has see if its confirmed? how is it hard facts than, seems like bs to me. For the record im just gonna wait until i heard news from the real person...cause 9 times out of 10, people who hear things from inside sources, usually never get the full story?

thank you blackevoVII.

i second that motion. :)

*bow* sorry for the horrendous spelling errors.........

i rule