hi i was looking to get a eagle talon i found one its an Eclipse Talon has 170k kms on it and is a 1997 its done up but it needs engine work i guess new rings and all that stuff guy is throwing it in, as a kit, also he mentioned he could get me an engine and manual tranny for 1000 so i dont have to do all that work, but will the engine for a manual tranny bolt to an automatic tranny? and also how much work is it to work on these engines to do a complete engine swap
i know it be easier to rebuild engine outside of car but can u also drop the completely rebuilt engine in the car from the top or do u have to rebuild some of it while its in the car

manly i wanna know if its worth it this is the description and he is offerin 6000
"1997 170km, New paint candy red with silver flakes, bomex body kit,Wide body kit in the back thats new, not showen in the pics, New crome rimes 17's brand new falken tires, JDM Projector head lights blue halos new still in the box, lowered, cold air intake, gauges, catback, red tints still in the box new, The Interior is all red, pager alram system $4000 dollers system panasonic tuch screen deck navaction mp3 satalite radio this thing has every thing. 1600 watts subs 2 12's JBL in custom box, 1800watts roxford foxgate amp, 3.0 cap.. ALSO comes with a full engine rebuilt kit worth $1200 still in the box..and much more.....This thing is MINT inside and out
-FULL GASKET SET
-PISTONS
-PISTON RINGS
-FREEZE PLUGS
-MAIN BEARING SET
-ROD BEARING SET
-THRUST WASHER
-OIL PUMP
-TIMING BELT & KIT
"


and this is his email back to me
"right now its sitting on 170 km the kit comes PARTS come with the car its auto the engine needs to be rebulit i can get you a eninge and a 5 speed tranny for 1000 i will let the car go for 6000 flat and ill get you the eninge and tranny for 1000 or u can just rebulit it the kit comes with the car"

What model is it?... That is what makes a huge difference in these cars... Also, it all depends on what you want out of a car for the price... If you want performance, appearance, or reliability... It all plays a factor to the value of the vehicle to you...

all i know is its a 97 Eclipse Talon isnt that the model?
here is a link to the car i wanna buy i just wanna know if its worth it

and how hard is it to do an engine swap and stuff
or to rebuild it

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-over-5K-Eclipse-Talon-W0QQAdIdZ13510289

it's a non-turbo. Definitely not worth it! IMHO

The model would be rs (nonturbo), gs (nonturbo),gst (turbo),gsx (turboawd) if it's an eclipse. If it's a talon (made by eagle) it could be esi (nonturbo),tsi (turbo),tsi awd (turbo awd)

ok ill ask guy now why isnt it worth while if its a non turbo? cant i put a turbo on it or easily drop an engin e in it with a turbo i wanna make car last long time so is that better to have with non turbo? i dunno cuz i just used to driving a Z34 for several years

i waiting on his response for the model type

You cant swap motors, you can turbo it but its a PITA and really not worth it if you want a lot of power. You could get one for probably half that much and it would still be a good car. And it wouldn't be riced out.

hmm how come i cant swap motors? is the turbo one a bigger car? i dunno just curious what is a PITA? i dont care for a lot of power just a reliable car that looks good, for this car what would u recommend i offer ? as this is canadian money and not sure if ur american or what not

so far i still waiting to hear back from guy

The turbo motor is completely backwards for your. It can be done but cost a lot and there is a lot of custom fabrication. Now you could buy a turbo kit for that car (another 3500) and it would still be a reliable car. You would be putting out able 80 more hp or so but then you have a car with so much money in it already and your only a little faster than a gst.

ok not sure what u mean engine is backwards to mine, u mean that a turbo engine wouldnt pop in that eclipse talon that shows? like what is different bolt holes or the car engine is backwards? i figured the car is the same size just the engine will just bolt up

umm whats the HP on ther egular? if its more then 215 thats b etter hehe since my z34 is 215 and i happy with that so far

the motor mounts are opposites sides of the engine bay. EX the tranny on your car is on the driver side, on a turbo car the tranny is on the left. Stock your car puts out 140BHP so about 120whp, turboed it should be about 200whp.

ah so basiclly id have to change engine and tranny, so doesnt that bite 140hp eh and think my z34 is 215 stock,

is a awd drive car better then the rest? if i were to buy this car what would i offer?

and this non turbo i guessing is there way to improve the hP on it? without a turbo?

If you know how to put in all that stuff by yourself and you want to, then it is worth it. However, you can probably find a decent 97 Eclipse that is running well, for that amount.

hmm ok and does the tranny and engine lift up from the bottom or does it get dropped into the car?

ill look ardound more too but i dunno i liked the shell and the entiror i just dunno if or how hard it is to do the pinston rings with the engine still in the car

Not worth it, keep looking!

hmm so what should i look for, and where do u go to get kits for the car

Ok, here is the thing... You can non turbo DSM's (Eclipses and Talons) at a dime a dozen. They are everywhere and they are no faster than a Cavalier or Sunfire or anything like that... Whereas the turbo models are much faster and have so much potential. For example, most people ever see only 150-175hp out of a non turbo model... Sometimes a bit more if they actually go thru the hassle of building the motor up with forged parts and such and turbocharging it. Even then they only see 200-250hp out of them...

Turbo models however, range anywhere from the stock 210hp all the way up to 900+hp... Its not very hard to get a nice little 350-400hp out of a turbo model... Also, you can only get AWD in a turbo model. Kind of nice if your into racing and handling and want your car to launch nice without wheel hop...

But, if none of that means much to you and you are just about looks and reliability, then you could go with a non turbo model... To me, the miles sound way too high for the price of a non turbo model... If I was getting a non turbo model for 7k it better have 20k miles or less on it...

So, like I said earlier this morning. It really all depends on what YOU want out of a car... I notice everytime somebody says a different answer you kinda change to like, oh, well what should I get instead? Don't do it that way man. Get the car/model that is gonna make you happy. Me personally, I like a car with a good bit of pep to it that looks good. Of course, getting into DSM's I wanted to go all out balls to the wall and build a powerhouse that looks good. So I did... But yeah, tell us what it is YOU want out of a car and we will help you decide which model you should get. As of right now though, that one your looking at sure does sound like a box of troubles if it already needs the motor replaced and the guy is still asking that much money for it...

Just for the record.. most 420a's with built motors put out around 300-400whp. It does take a good bit of money to do but if you can afford all the parts you need to tune it and what not then the car can handle it.

Just for the record.. most 420a's with built motors put out around 300-400whp. It does take a good bit of money to do but if you can afford all the parts you need to tune it and what not then the car can handle it.
Ah, my bad on the power estimates. Thanks for the correction. :wink:

ah ok i not sure 100% i like a nice looking car, see i used to the older cars, the daytona with the squareish look, also the old stangs, the z24 in the 80s and the Lumina Z34s but everything now is round and its not that good looking anymore the ass's are too round like a fat chick LOL

the guy email me back said its a ESI model but if i didnt buy it by this thursday he gonna keep it and drop an engine in it. oh well but now i looking at this car its a Z24 newer but i know this isnt the channel for it but what the hell i guess eh?

what i looking for is reliablity to make it to Toronto or say if i wanna go to states without breaking down and lookins sporty but also if i wanted to fix it up to make it look better it wouldnt cost too much and i like to have an engine in front i dont want a car like a civic if u have an accident ur eating engine LOL

but here is a car z24 i looking at maybe its worth it? has low kms and when i look for newer cars with lower kms they always 12grand and up

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-ViewAd?AdId=15126149&ilPrev=4&ilNext=-1&ilIds=16018034%2C15960430%2C15935170%2C15916904%2C 15859118%2C15858952%2C15502630%2C15477641%2C154778 87%2C15126149%2C15186543%2C15167459%2C12231391%2C1 5068939&ilProvider=SearchIdListProvider&ilqcKeyword=z24&mpname=R2S&mpuid=25982828183&ilqcisSearchForm=true&EmailText=hi+i+like+to+know+how+many+kms+are+on+th e+car+now+since+ur+add%2C++and+how+much+rust+is+on +it+and+what+repairs+have+been+made+to+it+and+anyt hing+else+u+like+to+offer%2C++also+you+have+any+pi cs+on+inside+of+car%3F++and+engine+and+does+the+se ats+fold+down%3F&secev=AQAAARQR2OIAAM0AAAACACIxMTQyMjA3MDdlOC5hMGU2 NTY3LjM2YzgzLmZmZmZiYjE0AAAAAADmzoUBAAAAAgAAAAFlVH DAYX4HmEY%2FgLJEDA19Wmfs4G6h4eA*&FromEmailAddress=comet424%40msn.com&MessageId=MSG.VIEW_AD.REPLY_TO_AD_SENT&BBUV=5470&BBST=AQAAARQes%252FbOAAdeFQDsUbz0EiJ2rppM3O27GKvP3 qhrZoAgPHFe&SenderName=mike

You cant swap motors, you can turbo it but its a PITA and really not worth it if you want a lot of power. You could get one for probably half that much and it would still be a good car. And it wouldn't be riced out.

Ahh... I love that term "rice". So in your opinion, what makes the car rice?? To me, the only thang that puts a ricey touch on the car is the uneccesary spoiler in the back. Rice is consider'd to be modifications done to a car in POOR fashion.

So in your opinion, what makes the car rice?? To me, the only thang that puts a ricey touch on the car is the uneccesary spoiler in the back. Rice is consider'd to be modifications done to a car in POOR fashion.
Don't forget most of the ugly ass body kits out there... They are very poor in fashion... :disappoin

well i dunno anything fancy i guess

like me im the only one that i know of with a Z34 that has mulit changing ground effects lights, light trims inside the car, a black light, only car with lights in the hood scoups etc

but where do u buy body kits anyways? like a good canadian place?

I would say keep looking man theres better deals out there. My 98 GSX ran me 7500. Had a brand new transmission, transfer case and head installed by the factory with all of receipts to prove it. Had 101K miles on it. Only drawback is that it has a little rust on it because it was from up north. Just be patient and do your homework and know exactly what you want before you purchase. There are always good deals out there, you might have to be willing to drive a few hundred miles to get it though. Check ebay and auto trader. I got mine from ebay.

Dude, before you jump and make a purchase, do some damn research on DSMs cause it seems that you don't know anything about DSMs :2cents:

The car is riced out! Just look at the interior, I guess I can see if you want to put a little color but dont paint the whole damn thing. The wheels look terrible, front bumper is ugly. The body work does look pretty good though.

ok what does DSM stand for?

silver when u said thats riced out did u mean the talon or the 99 z24 not sure now lol

sorry guys i been driving a Z34 past 5 yrs so i new at looking for a car and things

Oh hell naw. That looks like a FMIC but i see no turbo. Thats not a front mount intake is it? Theres nothing i find funnier, and if you ever popped the hood for anybody you'd be the laughing stock of the town. Id say either go 420A-turbo, GSX or GST or TSI. If ur a poser with the neon lights and stickers dont even bother.

DSM stands for Diamond Star Motors

I was talkin about the eclipse being riced out.

O shit I didn't even notice the FMIC talk about RICE!!!!! I was hoping that was a grill when I first looked at it.

damn abbrevations lol

ok so what does DSM stand for and ur FMIC stand for?

so ur saying dont take the eclipse cuz it has no turbo? unless i put a gsx or a gst in then?

Silver so whats so special about a DSM motor? and what does the FMIC stand for?


so that eclipse is worthless unless has the DSM motor? or just a turbo 420 like u said etc? right ?

I already told you what dsm stands for.
FMIC - Front Mount Intercooler, it cools the air after the turbo heats it up but your car has no turbo so it only for looks which people will laugh at you for.

Im not saying the car is not worth it, I just dont like that guys taste. You cant drop another motor in it but if you did turbo that one it would make the car better. Or at least take that fmic out

ah i didnt get ur post till after i posted so i never seen ur post on the DSM

so is a DSM good?

well i confused about the FIMC but i understand what u mean

ya i dunno if i go with it its cool but i think ill keep looking for a lower km car that i can do up just incase cuz that engine apparenty needs work lol

Its just like any other car. It depends on who you ask. Everyone has their own opinion.

Im sure the engine is fine if you want it for a daily driver. If you want it for speed your looking at the wrong car unless you plan on doing some work to it. A turbo car needs an FMIC (front mount intercooler) to cool the charged air. A front mount intake is a poor attempt at a FMIC, but without a turbo which makes it a poser. Don't get me wrong, I personally would have more respect for a 420A-T than a gst gsx or tsi with a t-25. If your goin for the fast show with out the fast go (sorry if i sound like im from the cast of fast and the furious) u've lost my respect alltogether.
If your looking for the reliable car go with either the 420A or the 4g63 and do no modifications and both will take you too the 200k mile range(not sure what kind of km)

Talon - That FMIC is just there, its not connected to the intake. IT has the stock air box on it.

Yeah man. I saw that. I first heard about this from my buddy that told me about a honduh civic he saw with a "Front Mount Intake." I asked him what that was he said its a cold air intake which was attatched to a front mount intercooler. Sorry im very intoxicated right now. But, i say either go for the fast go, or the gas saver. Don't do the F&F look. Ever since the movie DSM's have been tryin to save face.

ah crazy all this info hehe still dunno if a dsm is a good company but ill jsut leave it at that lol

i live in the country so to get to any major town takes like 45min just to get there at speed of 80km/h so reliablale is always good LOL


but who knows i like to modify stuff myself so who knows hehe

Well hopefully you got the information you needed. Of course the 4g63 is the prefered choice when it comes to speed. Obviously if you put serious cash into any engine it will prove worth while. IMO DSM(Diamond Star Motors) is a reliable company to invest in. My talon nearing 200k miles, and my eclipse at 100k miles are both running strong. Its all how you treat the car. It can either do you good or do ya dirt.

I looked through the posts and I didn't see a picture or a link to this Eclipse...?

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...QAdIdZ13510289
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A couple other things i noticed now that im not drunk is that is a very clean engine bay, but look at the color of where the strut bar is connected, and then look at the picture of the car. Doesn't look to be the same car, so it could have the 4g63 in it possibly. Also the shopping cart wing is a nice touch. I guess only way to tell would be by the vin.

ah ok, ya the engine is clean looking must be just town driving, ya i looking for a reliable car cuz my friends make fun of my z34 fix it for 3 hours runs for 3 weeks then hood back up again lol

oh well i treat my cars good but damn winters have ruined cars up here that u cant fix it or id be still driving my z34 lol

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...QAdIdZ13510289
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A couple other things i noticed now that im not drunk is that is a very clean engine bay, but look at the color of where the strut bar is connected, and then look at the picture of the car. Doesn't look to be the same car, so it could have the 4g63 in it possibly. Also the shopping cart wing is a nice touch. I guess only way to tell would be by the vin.

Are you on crack? lol

The guy just simply painted the exterior a different color and didn't spring for the good paint job and didn't paint the engine bay.

comet240, if you really want the car, get it. It won't be fast, but it will probably be reliable. No, you can't swap the motors being as they are totally different. You might get laughed at A LOT considering there is a front mount, but the car isn't even turbo, not to mention all the rice body kit and park bench wing on it. Try to talk the guy down.... a lot of money.

ah ok nah i dont care i need a nice car i dont need to buy the car then already fix the engine with pistion rings LOL

ill keep looking hehe

Well that link didn't work, but after some searching I found it... Ugh... Thats all I got to say about it... Keep lookin man...

ah ok thanks

This thread = :gay:

You need to stop asking questions and just read the FAQ link I gave you. Many of your newbish questions would have been answered, and many more I'm sure your thinking about asking.

:bs: OK I'm going to have to call the BS flag.

Look closely at the pics.
-The first one does have a FMIC, yes. And it's NT
-Flip between the first 2 pics. The sideskirts are different. First one is lower, than cuts up by the back tire... second one isn't like that.
-Wheels are different between number 1 and 3
-In pic 2, the splash shields are taken off for the body kit, and you cant see the FMIC and see right through everything.
-Pic 2 doesn't look lowered neither
-Pic 4 (engine) doesn't show any mods
-Says projectors still in box, pic 1 has them on.
-And no touch screen anything in the 2nd pic.

So again... I call :bs: on this one.

Hey man, if you do buy that car you might want to get some of this stuff to, I heard it works really good....:thumbsup:
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a83/93civac/untitled.jpg

Classic

Man, we haven't had a good noob bashing in a while lol.

:bs: OK I'm going to have to call the BS flag.

Look closely at the pics.
-The first one does have a FMIC, yes. And it's NT
-Flip between the first 2 pics. The sideskirts are different. First one is lower, than cuts up by the back tire... second one isn't like that.
-Wheels are different between number 1 and 3
-In pic 2, the splash shields are taken off for the body kit, and you cant see the FMIC and see right through everything.
-Pic 2 doesn't look lowered neither
-Pic 4 (engine) doesn't show any mods
-Says projectors still in box, pic 1 has them on.
-And no touch screen anything in the 2nd pic.

So again... I call :bs: on this one.

:1: There's too much "unexplained" stuff going on in the pics. Looks like there's 3 different cars, or at least, the same car pictured with different mods. I'd call out the seller on that for sure.

all i know is its a 97 Eclipse Talon isnt that the model?
here is a link to the car i wanna buy i just wanna know if its worth it

and how hard is it to do an engine swap and stuff
or to rebuild it

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-over-5K-Eclipse-Talon-W0QQAdIdZ13510289


i hate that spoiler with a pasion! :banghead:


yea trust me look more

because to be honest with u i regret buying the non turbo


if i was in ur position right now I WOULD GET A 98 ECLIPSE GSX (awd turbo)

good luck finding it tho