I don't see any products or anything on there at all...

yea bro theyve been down for awhile now

Wow that blows. I think MMS is the only place that carries quality engine parts anymore for our cars. They'd better not go out of business before I can buy their shyt or else I'm going to have to buy me a trans am or something... not necessarily a bad thing lol but I'd like to keep this thing.

milzy has alot of stuff, but i had problems with him when i ordered my PCM from him took about 2 months. not sure if it had problems or was backed up but he did respond to email.

milzy has had some issues... try out.. http://www.60degreev6.com/store/
plenty of stuff there to help you out. if you need tuning, a company called DHP and HPTuners makes a tunable PCM that you can tune yourself. The DHP PCM stuff can be found on www.pfyc.com and HPTuner PCM stuff can be found at www.hptuners.com

milzy has had some issues... try out.. http://www.60degreev6.com/store/
plenty of stuff there to help you out. if you need tuning, a company called DHP and HPTuners makes a tunable PCM that you can tune yourself. The DHP PCM stuff can be found on www.pfyc.com (http://www.pfyc.com) and HPTuner PCM stuff can be found at www.hptuners.com (http://www.hptuners.com)

How do their parts compare? I'm guessing the lower 3500 IM is probably better... how about everything else? Think I can milk out more HP with 60V6 stuff?

How do their parts compare? I'm guessing the lower 3500 IM is probably better... how about everything else? Think I can milk out more HP with 60V6 stuff?

Their parts work that's all there really is to say. All these places are doing is taking out all the work for you to find a local shop that specializes in port/polish duties, and building up heads for real power and abuse.

You can definitely milk out more power from their stuff, also you have to think about to be able to squeeze the most out of all these parts would be to properly tune the car via DHP Powertuner or HPTuners. Both of which allow you to hit up a dyno and be capable of tuning from the comfort of your laptop to maximize the efficiency and performance of your setup.

Their parts work that's all there really is to say. All these places are doing is taking out all the work for you to find a local shop that specializes in port/polish duties, and building up heads for real power and abuse.

You can definitely milk out more power from their stuff, also you have to think about to be able to squeeze the most out of all these parts would be to properly tune the car via DHP Powertuner or HPTuners. Both of which allow you to hit up a dyno and be capable of tuning from the comfort of your laptop to maximize the efficiency and performance of your setup.

No dynos around here... there's a guy that kinda "cheats" it here in town, that can tune my stuff, but I don't know how it can compare to a dyno... he's also the same guy that's going to be installing all my parts, as I don't have the time, between classes and work and everything else, to do it myself. He charges a very, very reasonable price though.

I'm assuming he uses one of those tuning programs, but I never asked.

No dynos around here... there's a guy that kinda "cheats" it here in town, that can tune my stuff, but I don't know how it can compare to a dyno... he's also the same guy that's going to be installing all my parts, as I don't have the time, between classes and work and everything else, to do it myself. He charges a very, very reasonable price though.

I'm assuming he uses one of those tuning programs, but I never asked.

Definitely get your information on what he'll be using to tune before you agree to have him start messing with things.

Definitely get your information on what he'll be using to tune before you agree to have him start messing with things.


Totally. Part of the reason I'm joining GAGT forums and things like that, so I can learn EVERYTHING before I proceed with ANYTHING. I do not want to make a mistake with so much money! Thanks for helping me out so far :)

http://www.60degreev6.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=59

That looks neat :) Better than MMS stage 2 things I'm presuming?

Totally. Part of the reason I'm joining GAGT forums and things like that, so I can learn EVERYTHING before I proceed with ANYTHING. I do not want to make a mistake with so much money! Thanks for helping me out so far :)

http://www.60degreev6.com/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=59

That looks neat :) Better than MMS stage 2 things I'm presuming?

If I had a v6 I'd go w/ the 3500 top end personally.

milzy has had some issues... try out.. http://www.60degreev6.com/store/
plenty of stuff there to help you out. if you need tuning, a company called DHP and HPTuners makes a tunable PCM that you can tune yourself. The DHP PCM stuff can be found on www.pfyc.com and HPTuner PCM stuff can be found at www.hptuners.com


MMS HAD problems but as far as I have heard they are not anymore.

That 3500 swap is no where near what MMS stage 1 or 2 is.:grinno:
Thier heads are using stock valve springs and valves :gay:
You can goto a salvage yard and buy all those part for half that $1500.

And Vipey,
you should know by now, GAGT....:disappoin
I think I know a little more then those posers :evillol:


Ok a lot more :rofl:

wheeeee

wheeeee

that hardly constitutes a sentence...

that hardly constitutes a sentence...

I had something else but changed it because you had posted something :D

MMS HAD problems but as far as I have heard they are not anymore.

That 3500 swap is no where near what MMS stage 1 or 2 is.:grinno:
Thier heads are using stock valve springs and valves :gay:
You can goto a salvage yard and buy all those part for half that $1500.

And Vipey,
you should know by now, GAGT....:disappoin
I think I know a little more then those posers :evillol:


Ok a lot more :rofl:

A lot of people on grandamgt.com can't get ahold of Milzy. His site hasn't been updated in quite awhile. So I would assume he is having some form of issues or whatnot. There was a lengthy thread about his pushrods not being up to snuff.

Donkeypunchperformance is a no show, they haven't even updated since 2005 from what I can tell.

If you want to go to the junkyard to get parts that's no problem either, 3400 top ends are a dime a dozen, the 3500, still a new motor.

and how are people on GAGT poseurs? From that statement I'm a poseur as well?

A lot of people on grandamgt.com can't get ahold of Milzy. His site hasn't been updated in quite awhile. So I would assume he is having some form of issues or whatnot. There was a lengthy thread about his pushrods not being up to snuff.

Donkeypunchperformance is a no show, they haven't even updated since 2005 from what I can tell.

If you want to go to the junkyard to get parts that's no problem either, 3400 top ends are a dime a dozen, the 3500, still a new motor.

and how are people on GAGT poseurs? From that statement I'm a poseur as well?


Did they try and reach him by phone ?

I seen a few 3500s in the heap, why just yesterday I saw two great looking 3500s with under 10k miles :naughty:

IMO they are posers,
they seem pretty cocky on most aspects and tend to punk on every new person that signs up.
They are mostly young nowitalls :smooch:

edit...........
BTW I'm a member of every GA site on the net , that I know of anyway.. :D

Did they try and reach him by phone ?

I seen a few 3500s in the heap, why just yesterday I saw two great looking 3500s with under 10k miles :naughty:

IMO they are posers,
they seem pretty cocky on most aspects and tend to punk on every new person that signs up.
They are mostly young nowitalls :smooch:

so I'm a young know it all, hmmmmmmmmmmm. from what i've seen you've only posted twice on gagt.com anyway. there's a lot of good knowledge on there if you search a bit.

I don't know if they tried to reach them on the phone or by email or by carrier pigeon. As you see I'm a 2.4L lover. It's a shame the 3.4L/3.1L guys just can't keep up.

so I'm a young know it all, hmmmmmmmmmmm. from what i've seen you've only posted twice on gagt.com anyway. there's a lot of good knowledge on there if you search a bit.

I don't know if they tried to reach them on the phone or by email or by carrier pigeon. As you see I'm a 2.4L lover. It's a shame the 3.4L/3.1L guys just can't keep up.


Not all of us can afford to bring a 4 banger GA into the 12's... especially a GA V6...

so I'm a young know it all, hmmmmmmmmmmm. from what i've seen you've only posted twice on gagt.com anyway. there's a lot of good knowledge on there if you search a bit.

I don't know if they tried to reach them on the phone or by email or by carrier pigeon. As you see I'm a 2.4L lover. It's a shame the 3.4L/3.1L guys just can't keep up.


:rofl: This is still undeceided, but if the shoe fits wear it.

I dont even remember posting at all, but I could have.
I'm sure I wasnt looking for any help help :grinno:

The only reason the 4cyl can keep up with a v6 is because most have 5spds and have a big wieght diff.
My SE V6 would probly keep up with most nonstock 4cyl or SC as far as that matters :rolleyes:

:rofl: This is still undeceided, but if the shoe fits wear it.

I dont even remember posting at all, but I could have.
I'm sure I wasnt looking for any help help :grinno:

The only reason the 4cyl can keep up with a v6 is because most have 5spds and have a big wieght diff.
My SE V6 would probly keep up with most nonstock 4cyl or SC as far as that matters :rolleyes:

The weight difference is actually less than 200lbs more than likely closer to less than 150lbs difference. Another note would be that most of the production run of the 4cyl was in automatic form not manual. This is especially true in the 1999+ models.
I bet you're a 15 second car still ;)

The weight difference is actually less than 200lbs more than likely closer to less than 150lbs difference. Another note would be that most of the production run of the 4cyl was in automatic form not manual. This is especially true in the 1999+ models.
I bet you're a 15 second car still

Are you a comedian ?
.... because that is funny :lol:

The weight difference is actually less than 200lbs more than likely closer to less than 150lbs difference. Another note would be that most of the production run of the 4cyl was in automatic form not manual. This is especially true in the 1999+ models.
I bet you're a 15 second car still ;)

http://www.texasracingscene.com/images/smilies/bigrofl.gifhttp://www.texasracingscene.com/images/smilies/dunce.gif

Are you a comedian ?
.... because that is funny :lol:

I'm sorry you're running 13's.

Im with Xero on this Grandma i think GAGT.com is lil immature with the way they treat new m,emebers dont get me wrong tho they got great info on there like if i need a how to or any info i go to that site but if i need to talk to people i post here cuz dealing with GAGT is like dealing with my g/f on her period.

Im with Xero on this Grandma i think GAGT.com is lil immature with the way they treat new m,emebers dont get me wrong tho they got great info on there like if i need a how to or any info i go to that site but if i need to talk to people i post here cuz dealing with GAGT is like dealing with my g/f on her period.

I guess people get their panties in a twist too easily?

just to twist things up a little more I know and work for JC.
I can verify that his SE is pretty damn fast!! I am usually co-pilot running the laptop. Our last 1/4 run was 13.8 sec @ 113 mph and it was 55 deg, thats fast! As soon as I find the rest of his super charger parts he will be running in the12's, at least!

I own a 2000 Cobra, the only modifications are a CAI and the Borla exhaust that came on the car. He beats me out of the hole and througout most of the 1/4 every f****n time :banghead:
I know my V8 has more hp and torq ! His weak points is the crappy 4t45e tranys and the stock bottom end on his 3.4. This is being taken care of real soon, parts are on the table as we speak.
This summer he(we) is installing the 4t65HD then we'll see how track runs go.

I have tons of video but he trashed my phone so I dont have any wya to upload my sim card but when I do I will post them so you GA guys can have some mouth watering vids to feed on.

shit I'd better go, he's barking about me being in his office, hehehe :p

just to twist things up a little more I know and work for JC.
I can verify that his SE is pretty damn fast!! I am usually co-pilot running the laptop. Our last 1/4 run was 13.8 sec @ 113 mph and it was 55 deg, thats fast! As soon as I find the rest of his super charger parts he will be running in the12's, at least!

I own a 2000 Cobra, the only modifications are a CAI and the Borla exhaust that came on the car. He beats me out of the hole and througout most of the 1/4 every f****n time :banghead:
I know my V8 has more hp and torq ! His weak points is the crappy 4t45e tranys and the stock bottom end on his 3.4. This is being taken care of real soon, parts are on the table as we speak.
This summer he(we) is installing the 4t65HD then we'll see how track runs go.

I have tons of video but he trashed my phone so I dont have any wya to upload my sim card but when I do I will post them so you GA guys can have some mouth watering vids to feed on.

shit I'd better go, he's barking about me being in his office, hehehe :p

Which supercharger? Are you trying to retrofit a GTP charger on there? Going to Z-spec for their leaky nonsense? Sourced the rare as hell 3.4 supercharger kit?

What are you guys tuning with to get this amazing 13.8@113mph.. what track did you guys run at? What's he running in the 60ft?

My last run was 12.4@112mph so your times sound a touch fishy to me.

Watch the potty mouth Trevor!! :nono:

I have the RSM SC which did take some modifications to work properly when roboticgod had it on his 99 GA.
It did have kinks, but it was bought from them long ago for around $3k I think. Different pulley too :naughty:

He cant really tell what software we use thats a trade secret :lol:
But its not anything you or anyone else can go buy.
Its just as good as DHPs tuner, maybe even a little butter :D

I've had 0 track time. With slicks and at a track my times should raise even more. :cool:
If I had a turbo, sheesh.... Look out!

Sorry bout that JC.

beter luck nettime :D
Forgot this was a pg-13 site :rolleyes:

later on fools :p

Sorry bout that JC.

beter luck nettime :D
Forgot this was a pg-13 site :rolleyes:

later on fools :p

No prob, I took care of it for you...

BTW Vipey donkey punch performance is gone :lol:

Watch the potty mouth Trevor!! :nono:

I have the RSM SC which did take some modifications to work properly when roboticgod had it on his 99 GA.
It did have kinks, but it was bought from them long ago for around $3k I think. Different pulley too :naughty:

He cant really tell what software we use thats a trade secret :lol:
But its not anything you or anyone else can go buy.
Its just as good as DHPs tuner, maybe even a little butter :D

I've had 0 track time. With slicks and at a track my times should raise even more. :cool:
If I had a turbo, sheesh.... Look out!

so if you're going to be doing some 13 second 12 second action. Have you upgraded the fuel pump? are you planning on upgrading the fuel injectors?

Have not upgraded the fuel pump yet, I do have 22or 24# injectors.
I'm going to pull the upper intake to do some finish work. So I'll get to see exactly which they are, didnt even mean to buy larger at the time, but it's worked out. :naughty:

Though I am fully aware that to pull that kind of hp I'll upgrade the fuel system and get an adjustable FP regulator. Thats just common sense more air more fuel.

22# and 24# injectors are way too small for pushing the supercharger especially if you intend to run low 13s or go over 250hp. My super secret tuning and fueling is simple.

72lb/750cc injectors, walbro intank replacement meant for an ls1 fbody, upagraded theelectrical to the pump, aem fuel pressure regulator set at the OEM fuel pressure. That's all my fueling mods.

Tuning wise i went to a GM dealership bought a 2bar map sensor and had them reflash my computer to the programming for the GMPP supercharger kit that is available for the 2.4l. This programming allows the oem PCM to apply proper fueling for 310cc fuel injectors, OEM fuel injectors are 260-270cc. I was running 750cc, so even though the car was capable of handling the fueling for boost it was pig rich. I hooked up the HPTuners software and well what i now have is what you get.

So what are you tuning with? Do you have access to a dynomometer? Do you have a wideband? Do you do any datalogging?

Xero ftw :)

Cant wait to see how your car turns out dude. Hope I can get mine that way someday :)

The SC kit I have came with huge injectors and a PCM.

My SE has a reflashed/open ended PCM, I have a friend who has the tools to reflash pcms , so that might come in handy if I need. :dunno:

I do very little tuning thus far, I'll cross that bridge when I get there. I am going to a dynamometer in a few weeks to get a base reading.
Then I'll know where I need to go :naughty:

The SC kit I have came with huge injectors and a PCM.

My SE has a reflashed/open ended PCM, I have a friend who has the tools to reflash pcms , so that might come in handy if I need. :dunno:

I do very little tuning thus far, I'll cross that bridge when I get there. I am going to a dynamometer in a few weeks to get a base reading.
Then I'll know where I need to go :naughty:

So he probably has HPTuners or DHP Powertuner. Those are the only two products on the market that can tune and reflash the N-body PCM that anybody is aware of. I'm throwing out the possibility of GM's reflashing equipment because you can't tune with them just upload whatever is in GM's software tool chest which is just vanilla OEM flashes with small software updates.

You better do some logging on the dyno for a/f and knock. You're definitely going to have to step up to at least some 42lb if you intend to make some power for low 13's.

:bananadie

So he probably has HPTuners or DHP Powertuner. Those are the only two products on the market that can tune and reflash the N-body PCM that anybody is aware of. I'm throwing out the possibility of GM's reflashing equipment because you can't tune with them just upload whatever is in GM's software tool chest which is just vanilla OEM flashes with small software updates.

You better do some logging on the dyno for a/f and knock. You're definitely going to have to step up to at least some 42lb if you intend to make some power for low 13's.
That would be a big fat NO on the HPtuner, like I said before no one has this! I can adjust-save-load any of the settings in less then 5min while the cars running/driving thiers no flash going to here. :lol:

Remember here, my SE is a daily driver that gets 22-24mpg in the city. When I have the custom settings with the most output, it gets around 10-12mpg :disappoin

no knock- spinning heads......

That would be a big fat NO on the HPtuner, like I said before no one has this! I can adjust-save-load any of the settings in less then 5min while the cars running/driving thiers no flash going to here. :lol:

Remember here, my SE is a daily driver that gets 22-24mpg in the city. When I have the custom settings with the most output, it gets around 10-12mpg :disappoin

no knock- spinning heads......

you have OBD2, your PCM gets flashed with new calibrations through the OBD2 port. Unless if you are running some sort of standalone that you decided not to indulge in letting out. If your supposed custom settings are giving you crappy gas mileage, that would be the tuners fault, or can be due to the fact of you probably using a piggyback fuel computer. If you're boosted you should be running 11.5-12.5:1 air/fuel ratio when hauling ass at wide open throttle, 100% on the TPS sensor. On someone who is proficient in what they are doing you should be able to get reasonable mileage in daily driving situations, I know I do.

Whenever I upload a new tune to my PCM it takes me less than 2 minutes to have a flash uploaded into the computer.

It sounds like to me you're using something like a piggyback computer like an Apex'i S-AFC, or something from Greddy's piggyback offerings, that can be programmed for two different settings. Those such devices do not flash the PCM but trick the PCM with altered readings to enrichen or lean out the air/fuel mixture. I used to use an Apex'i S-AFC up until HPTuners came out with support for the 2.4L twin cam motor of my model year.

So why are you so secretive?

I'm actually running 14-14.7:1 A/F ratio,
which is the ideal A/F ratio for optimum performance and economy.

And I'm not trying to be secretive at all.
Its not my software/hardware,
my friend is working on getting it patented, so loose lips sink ships.:cwm27:
So then one day soon anyone can buy/use it.
It is very simular to the DHP software thats all I can realy say. :naughty:

I'm actually running 14-14.7:1 A/F ratio,
which is the ideal A/F ratio for optimum performance and economy.

And I'm not trying to be secretive at all.
Its not my software/hardware,
my friend is working on getting it patented, so loose lips sink ships.:cwm27:
So then one day soon anyone can buy/use it.
It is very simular to the DHP software thats all I can realy say. :naughty:

you're running 14 - 14.7 on boost? I take it you're using platinum plugs with that supercharger as well right?

you're running 14 - 14.7 on boost? I take it you're using platinum plugs with that supercharger as well right?

I really hope you dont think hes talking about 1/4 mile times :uhoh:

just wanna confirm that, and hes not boosted as of yet..

Xero's running mid to high 13's without boost, on a stock bottom end to my knowledge... no NOS or anything, and very very little tuning. His car has a bunch of potential which will be opened up throughout the year with the sc and all that jazz :)

And grandma, for someone that knows so much about cars and has done so much research, you should have at LEAST clicked on his cardomain page to see what he's got so far (maybe a couple things have changed but prolly not much)!

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sprachlos/speechless-smiley-024.gif14:1 is a little lean for boost http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sprachlos/speechless-smiley-023.gif

If you read back a few pages, you will see where I said I wasnt running boost as of yet.
Thiers just not enough hours in the day to please everyone http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sprachlos/speechless-smiley-004.gif