Lamborghini is amost the best car ever but only it will be better by a NOS:cool: on with a TWINTURBO;) also with a7.3 liter V12 ENGINE:flipa: :finger:

Thanks for that sharp post. Automotiveforums needs more people like you.. do you have any friends like you which you can persuade to sign on to make a contribution?

Lamorghini's are overrated. Sure, they look alright (more like an airplane wing with tires) but they don't perform. Please explain why a Hennessey Viper Venom 800 will kick the shit out of any Lamborghini and cost 1/3 of the price.

Originally posted by YJHeD
Lamorghini's are overrated. Sure, they look alright (more like an airplane wing with tires) but they don't perform. Please explain why a Hennessey Viper Venom 800 will kick the shit out of any Lamborghini and cost 1/3 of the price.

who wants a hennessey viper venom 800?
that car doesn´t look so good by far like a lambo and is undriveable.

you haven´t heard anything of the lambo passion right? :D

Its ok Menu, he's American.. its not his fault... ;)

he clearly cant appreciate superb car design and doesnt know how well a Murcielago can perform. Lets just put it down to ignorance :p

I'm not even going to respond to that American-ignorant statement above because I'm sure you wish you were one. You're from England, don't have to say much about that joke of a country.

Lets compare the two:
Hennessey Viper:
HP: 800
Torque: 850 ft-lbs.
0-60: 2.4
1/4 mile: 10.1 @ 137 mph
Top speed: 235 mph
Price: $145,000

Lamorghini:
HP: 580
Torque: 480 ft. lbs (HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!)
0-60: 3.6
1/4 mile: 11.7
Top speed: 205 mph
Price: 273,000 (WHAT?!?!?!?!?!)

As for design goes, that's all a matter of opinion. I personally think the Viper looks a hell of a lot better. European cars are overrated, overpriced, and underpowered. Period. You can't argue with that.

i´ll repeat extra for you

who wants a hennessey viper venom 800?
that car doesn´t look so good by far like a lambo and is UNDRIVEABLE.

you haven´t heard anything of the LAMBO PASSION right?
we´re here at a point of european image of a car and the american

we europeans like to spend much money on cars maybe too much but who cares... they are good quality, nice comfort, superb design and by far enough power for normal streets.
the americans have a bad taste of cars...
no comfort no quality of interior and undriveable.
the only thin you want is power... is it all? not much... right?

well here we always argue so let´s say both are nice cars.
one nice race car with good power and one superb road car with awesome styling


that´s it..


CLOSE THREAD

Yes, you surely are European. Throw in the towl when the battle gets a little tough. HAHA. How can you say that Europeans spend too much money on cars when the average car a European drives is barely over 1 litre and a little more than 50 horsepower. And no, I've never heard of the Lambo Passion, please explain it to me. Most of my encounters with people who have bought Lamborghinis have been hilarious. They don't know shit about the car they just bought, all they know is that it cost a lot and it's made in Italy.

I'm not even going to respond to that American-ignorant statement above because I'm sure you wish you were one. You're from England, don't have to say much about that joke of a country.

lol.. poor bastard.... cant you take it as its intended, as a joke? this is a car forum, after all...

but no, the american patrotism must come in. your response, my friend, demonstrates why the rest of the world hates america. yes it does, im sure you know that by now, despite being only 16... Now I dont hate America, but see how you insult the country i live in for no reason. (why is england a joke, please do tell, i am fascinated to read your eloquent reply)...

why would i wish to be American? do you really think its such a great thing to be American? why are americans the envy of the rest of the world? Theyre mocked by Europeans and hated by pretty much everyone else... envy? pah!

tell ya what... i was travelling with an American friend of mine and a South American one not long ago. I was allowed through airport checks, as was my south american friend, but the yank was detained. he started complaining, "why did they go through, im the american one, he's mexican etc".... what a son of a bitch, i thought... and his attitude reflects yours perfectly.... arrogant to the point where no one can stand you.... do you understand that now?

just to shut you up even more, mofo, my parents are American but i was born in London, and boy am i glad. whats your point now?


and btw, european cars are infinitely superior to americans. your cars may have more power, as you claim, but that suits your straight roads. throw in a few turns and you guys panic, dont know what to do (whats that big round thing in front of me? why isnt it responding? why am i going into that ditch?...)

Originally posted by YJHeD
Yes, you surely are European. Throw in the towl when the battle gets a little tough. HAHA. How can you say that Europeans spend too much money on cars when the average car a European drives is barely over 1 litre and a little more than 50 horsepower. And no, I've never heard of the Lambo Passion, please explain it to me. Most of my encounters with people who have bought Lamborghinis have been hilarious. They don't know shit about the car they just bought, all they know is that it cost a lot and it's made in Italy.

provokative and ignorant from start to finish

don´t want to argue with you...

european taste of cars and american taste of cars are allways a point of fighting... the ideas of cars are too different we won´t get a consence


Originally posted by crayzayjay
and btw, european cars are infinitely superior to americans. your cars may have more power, as you claim, but that suits your straight roads. throw in a few turns and you guys panic, dont know what to do (whats that big round thing in front of me? why isnt it responding? why am i going into that ditch?...)

thanks crayzayjay

any time :)

First off, I'm 20 years old, not 16. Simple math seems to be too hard for you. I call your country a joke because when it comes the to Middle East crisis you have no backbone at all. You tea-drinking pussies would sit back and watch Iraq destroy every surrounding country just so you woudln't have to fight. Europeans mock Americans? Then why the hell do all you morons move over here? And about that story in the airport, sounds like you just made that up to me. Pulled straight from your ass. Anyone with half a brain in a civilized country doesn't hate america, they may be jealous we're the most prosperous nation in the world, but hopefully they're smart enough to know we're not responsible for all the problems in the world. And last I heard, your boy Tony Blair was all about supporting us, maybe you should read a paper sometime this decade. You were the one to bring nationality in to this message board so don't cry when I attack your nationality. Now lets bring this conversation back to cars.

I guess you finally answered my question as to why European cars cost so much. THEY CAN CORNER BETTER!!!!!! That must be the reason you pay $850,000 more for a McLaren F1 than a Hennessey Viper. Of course, even though the Viper is faster. Give me a break. I ask you again, why is a McLaren $850,000 more than a Viper?

Youre even dumber than i thought.

1) 16 yrs old. thats what u r, mentally. what does math have to do with anything? when did u tell me when u were born? do u think im gonna check ur profile to find out how young u r? dont flatter yourself.

2) i didnt bring nationality into this. i said it as a joke. if you cant take it, its not my problem.

3) i do read the paper, i know a hell of a lot more about the middle east crisis than you do. i know how much of it comes down to you and believe me dubya shouldnt be proud of himself. neither should bill, for that matter. and just because tony blair is dubya's pooch (george michael video is 100% spot on) it doesnt mean i agree with him. use ur brain for a second.

4) its a sad fact, but pretty much everyone hates america. like i said, i dont. i dont agree with the policies, but thats about it. i live in europe and every country ive been to makes fun of the yanks and generally dislikes their attitudes. (dont get me started on asia and the middle east). i wish it werent so, but i cant do shit about it cos i dont see myself as American. its something you can do something about, but obviously you just want to aggravate the problem.



the fact youre comparing a viper to the McLaren shows what a pea-brained fool you are. a Mk2 Golf GTi is a better car than the Viper. When will u get it into your brain that speed counts for shit if something cant turn around a corner? u think europeans cant build a big engine? what are you stupid? do u know anything about the McLaren F1??? if only u realised its not all about excess excess excess... thats what makes you so f*ckin crude

Now leave me alone

I really appreciate your words of wisdom in reference to my stupidity and mental age but I have a few questions:

1) If age wasn't an issue why did you speculate about mine in the first place??

2) If my stupidity is a problem for you, I'd like to note that your refusal to capitalize and punctuate is an issue for me. I have a very hard time accepting intelligence criticism from someone who can't conjugate. Like this:
"i wish it werent so, but i cant do shit about it cos i dont see myself as American." What the fuck to "cos" mean? Didn't England create the English language? Why the hell can't you speak or spell it? Don't insult my intelligence when you can't even spell the word "because".

Additionally, I really appreciate your expert, educated political views. I'll be sure to email George Michael next time I need some advice. Sorry everyone hates America, but jealousy is a natural thing… must suck not to be the best. At least we don't make it so that people kill their firstborn until they have a male. But I'm sure you're right, we're the bad guys.

I lived in Indonesia as well as the United States. Hate to break it to you but every girl on that island was barking up my leg for a trip to the promised land. Tell me, why would they want to move to a country they hate?

Some more info for you:
Hennessey Viper:
Skidpad: 1.06G
Slalom speed: 75.1 MPH
Braking, 60-0: 110 ft.
McLaren:
Skidpad: .86G
Slalom speed: 64.5 MPH
Braking, 60-0: 127 ft.

ONCE AGAIN: WHY IS THE MCLAREN $850,000 MORE THAN THE HENNESSEY? It beats it in every aspect!!!!!!! Because the McLaren is carbon fiber? WOW!!!!!! Because it's made in England (HAHA!!)????

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!!! ACCEPT IT!!!!!!!

hi guys
i would love to argue about that but my english isn´t good enough for that.
i understand most of it what you are saying and would like to post some more comments to the statements but the vocabular.... :(


you won´t get to a point!

you should stop abusing each other and come back to "normal" arguements :)

1) If age wasn't an issue why did you speculate about mine in the first place??
I never said age wasnt an issue. Cant you read or are you imagining things now?
2) If my stupidity is a problem for you, I'd like to note that your refusal to capitalize and punctuate is an issue for me
Please... Im not writing reports here, im posting on a forum.... if people whose mother tongue isnt english can understand what i write, so should you
What the fuck to "cos" mean
Correction, Mr Grammar & Conjugation expert. Its "what the fuck does cos mean? Man, you must feel pretty stupid now, telling me i cant write then coming out with a howler like that. You see, i dont need to make fun of you, you do it yourself.
Don't insult my intelligence when you can't even spell the word "because".
Its an abbreviation, Americans invented it so i assumed youd understand. Obviously youre not as bright as i first thought.

Hate to break it to you but every girl on that island was barking up my leg for a trip to the promised land
Why are you such a hypocrite? Youre saying i cant spell or write the english language yet you start a phrase with a verb. Double standards or extreme stupidity, i just cant decide.. i have no problem with it myself but it seems to be a pet hate for you, so i cant wait to hear your explanation for this one. just in case you dont know what im talking about, the correct way to say that sentence was " I hate to break it to you..." comprende? sorry, i forgot... do you understand?

anyway, i cant be dealing with your negative vibes right now. so go away

Yo yanky doodle!!! (no offence to other americans btw), everyone has an opinion, you just think you're right when you are both. To other like minded people like yourself you're points would be discussed and agreed on but with other people like myself who think "yeah the viper/hennessey whatever looks smart but it doesn't have the style and the prescence that a Lambo has or any other supercar in fact". You compare a Hennessey Viper to a McLaren, what in speed? How about looks? How about what most people would go for if they had the choice? If you said to a crowd of people: "Hey, you can have any of these cars, a Hennessey Viper, A McLaren F1, A Ferrari Enzo, Aston Martin Vanquish or a Lamborghini Diablo/Murciélago?" I can guarantee you the Viper wouldn't get many people choosing it and do you know why? Because it's big, it's ugly (imho) and it's no fun to drive in Europe or even as a day to day car. Hell an Evo7, Skyline or Scooby I would probably take over a Viper. Just cause it's their doesn't mean you gotta take it.

So before you go pushing your OWN views on everyone else. REMEMBER people are entitled to their own views and opinions, hell the USA state that all the time "freedom of speech" ring a bell. Just cause you like the H Viper doesn't mean everyone else will. Think about it.

Oh and I'm from England as you call it, though I'm from the North of England, The UK has more countries in it than just England.

Ok not to confuse the arguments...
I'm an American and I own a Murielago. Why? over a Viper?

Granted, a Viper is cool and fast but...

1) When one drives up no one says "My god, what kind of car is that!" -or- "Awsome, Ive never seen one of those." They say "There's another Viper."

2) To MOST people in both continents, there is a world of difference in the emotional impact that the name "Lamborghini" has over name "Viper".

3) If I sell my Lamboghini next year it will be worth 90-100% Of what I paid. If I drive a Hennesey off the lot its worth 70% of ts original cost.
So we'll both lose 25k in the first year. You paid 25k to drive a "Viper".
:smoker:

-Tony

Hey Tony welcome back!!! Bet you had one helluva a time in LA. Good to see the view from an owner, guess that put's it all into perspective but you know you're still gonna get these people, mostly young ones to be honest who will stick to their choice and force it on everyone else.

Good to have you back and can't wait to see more pics and maybe even a movie?

yea tony welcome back here!
how was your trip? shouldn´t it take 1 week?:D


good aspects you posted there.

thanks


and... we´re waiting for your great pics :flash:

crazyjay: you're stupid and i'm bored. later.

digital: i never intended to push my views on anyone. crazyjay was the one that made it personal. i love european exotics just as much as the next person. i'm just more into american muscle. i was just wondering why a lamborghini, ferrari, etc. costs so much more than a venom 800 when the venom beats most of them in every category. you can admit it, i already know, it's the name. you pay the extra $$$ to have ferrari or lamborghini printed on your car. tony proved that for me when he posted. he wants ordinary people (not car enthusiasts) to say "wow! look at that!" but guess what, i get that kind of attention when i drive my Jeep around town. it's good and all but i like it better when someone comes up to me and asks me what type of suspension i got, if i did the v8 conversion myself, and stuff like that. i like impressing the people who know cars, not people who don't know how the internal combustion engine works. and yes, if i was given the decision, i would take the mclaren over all those cars. i would drive for a couple weeks, sell it, buy a hennessey, then have $700,000 to spend on whatever i wanted. let's see, i'd have a faster car, a competition rock crawler, a new dodge ram to tow it with, a nice Mopar muscle car with a Hemi, a house, my college education funded, and so forth.

tony: you do know that we're talking about a Hennssey Viper and not a stock one right? i hope you're not the typical lamborghini owner and know nothing about cars. last lambo owner thought that it defied the laws of physics to go 0-60 mph in 2.4 seconds.

Ok, im stupid. Very clever. Thanks. But saying you love european exotics as much as the next person, thats just funny. You have a very short memory my friend. :p

leave him alone!
he will never understand it

YJHed

I like you. You got a lot of spunk.

Now go off to college, lose your virginity and when you come back I'll buy you a beer.

-Tony

well you get a sixpack:D


tony.. how was your trip? did you enjoy it?

I Went to Las Vegas and lost all the money I brought.

So I had a great time!

-Tony

actually, funny you mention virginity when i just lost mine last week to uhhhhhhh. what was her name? oh yeah, YOUR WIFE! you shouldnt talk to me about getting laid since you obviously bought your car to pick up women. now go buy another low cut shirt to show off your hairy chest ya stupid dego.

YJHeD,

Take it easy Nelley. Now don't get all bent outa shape. I didn't know your virginity was a sensitive area. I'm sure the right man will come along.

-Tony

ui somebody is jealous of your nice car tony! :D
good answer!!!


YJHeD you are probably one of those guys who scratch other cars with your keys :D

I think jealous is an understatement. I was thinking more like resentful :p

u know i like understatement :rolleyes:

Jealous? Resentful? Nah. I get more pleasure driving my Jeep that I built with my friends than I would driving an "Italian exotic". Sure, you got a really expensive car but it has no soul and no story to tell. I got stories of the build-up (doing the spring-over, engine swap, axle swap, etc.) and stories of taking a weekend to go to the mountains with a couple buddies and a few lady friends to go wheelin. Do you get that with a Lamborghini? Hell no, you get car guys laughing at you cuzz you don't know shit about automobiles.

well we don´t go to the mountains... we go to the race tracks...
and thats no fun??? i think that´s great fun... as much as you can have in your jeep going through mud water and mountains!!!

and stories of taking a weekend to go to the mountains with a couple buddies and a few lady friends to go wheelin. Do you get that with a Lamborghini?
i get that with my Golf... with a Lamborghini, it would be a struggle.... to get all the chicks to fit in the car! :p

not that i need the car to help with chicks... puh-lease! :smoker2:

almost forgot.... an italian exotic with no soul? pah! a handbuilt supercar with the most orgasmic exhaust note you've ever heard... and that doesnt have soul?!?!?!? :eek: have you never seen a Lambo?

Hey, I'm From America, and the Viper Venom 800 has more horsepower and is quicker from 0-60, but the Lamboghini would rip it a new asshole on any race track in the world, straight line speed isn't shyt compaired to Lamborghini's aerodynamics and overall performance. what's the Viper's top speed???? guarentee it's not near 200MPH, so go suk a big one and leave european cars alone cause your Jealous they've made a car better then yours

etoomey: the Hennessey Viper's top speed is 230 mph. a SVS Stryker Viper Twin Turbo has a top speed of 252 mph. how's your foot taste buddy?

crazyjay: orgasmic exhaust not for you. i'd rather hear blown 426 hemi with open headers coming out of a '69 Dodge Charger R/T hhheeeeeeeeelll yeah. role up next to Mr. Lambo and make his balls shrink.

This is just totally pathetic... The sh!t getting spoken in here. A 69 Dodge against a Lambo, for style, sound and general road prescence? You gotta be kidding. Anyway who cares about Muscle cars apart from Americans anyway?! They're big and ugly. There is no way you can compare that to a Lambo nor a Viper that has been "modded". As the Lambo will get more looks from everyone, others will just go "wow check that viper" but with the Lambo it's "WOOOOOOOOOW!!! Check that thing out!".

I gotta laugh at some you americans, not all but some of you. You think the states build the best cars you would be wrong even many americans will tell you this. I understand having pride in your auto-manufacturers but don't go blowing sh!t through a sports exhaust from a car that knows nothing about style. Look at the Italians and then you will see Style. Damn look at the Alfa Romeo concept for Italian Style and show me an american car designed by an american that even has anything remotely close to style. Oh ....and also, most american cars are done by europeans. :flipa:

i wasnt comparing the Charger and Lambo you idiot. i was comparing the engine sounds. you should try some reading comprehension classes. you say american cars have no style compared to europeans cars. then you say most american cars are designed by europeans. are you a complete moron? nah, just a typical exotic car lover who like to say "oooo" and "ahhhh" when they see an overpriced italian car role by. i used to be like that when i was 7!!!!!!!!!! then i learned about the true mechanics of automobiles. did you mention Alfa Romeo and style in the same paragraph? those are the worst looking cars ever built. ill name an american car with the same style. FORD PINTO!!!!!!!!!! how about the GREMLIN!!!!!!!! ive taken shits that look better than an Alfa Romeo.

Originally posted by YJHeD
i wasnt comparing the Charger and Lambo you idiot. i was comparing the engine sounds. .

who cares about sound when the car looks ugly?

you think a '69 Charger R/T is ugly? holy shit, im dealing with bigger morons than i thought. but then again, not too long ago you germans thought it was a good idea to kill all Jewish people. anyways, show me a car from 1969 that was made by europeans that isnt a freakin' joke of a design. i never see lamorghini countach's anymore. why is that? because the owners are too damn embarrased to drive them!!!!!!! their design is "too old" for you exotic lovers out there. i think my Chrysler New Yorker is more in style than a lamorghini of the same year.

Originally posted by YJHeD
but then again, not too long ago you germans thought it was a good idea to kill all Jewish people.
hey i won´t comment this
that´s quite hard below the belt
but when you want it this way... seems like... no that´s not good to say here.

well think what you said.
i don´t like it when we are compared to our ancestors...
it was horrible what hitler did there...

but look out for your diction.

except for offending you can´t do anything here
try to change your attitude against others

and yes I think a 69 charger r/t is ugly...
don´t live in the past
we´re living in the presence

Originally posted by YJHeD but then again, not too long ago you germans thought it was a good idea to kill all Jewish people. You Germans? Umm ...that was a long long time ago. The Germans hate and despise what happened. So shut the hell up you stupid yank! You talk the biggest load of shit ever heard. No wonder so many people all over the world despise america when people like you are who they see and hear. You're a nutcase, you're a stupid ass and I hate people like you.

Happy thanksgiving to all americans and those who celebrate except you, cause I wish you would just get the hell out of here and throw your stupid racist and prejudiced opinions else f*cking where.

Someone ban this idiot! There is no need for stuff like that to be said.

Originally posted by YJHeD anyways, show me a car from 1969 that was made by europeans that isnt a freakin' joke of a design
http://www.lambocars.com/highres/miura25.jpg

nuff said! :finger:

what the fuck is thanksgiving :confused:


well... donßt know that but happy thanks giving, too
is it only american?

Very well answered Oxygen! That fool obviously didnt think of the Miura!!

YJHeD you have no place in this forum making posts like that

Menu > Thanksgiving is only celebrated in America. Its about the native Indians or somethin ;)

some religous day ?

no no, something about cowboys shooting indians...

you should look it up on google, im sure their definition will be more accurate than mine, although what i said is pretty much correct if Hollywood is to be believed!

I am an American and I love the Italian exotics, Thanksgiving, German cars and beer, etc. But I have no doubt why much of the world hates the USA. Its becuase we bomb foreign countries and then make ignorant racist statements. I love the USA but I am embarrassed by the actions of some of my fellow countrymen.

Not all of us are ignorant assholes. Keep an open mind. :)

Ok, the first part here is a bit of a flame. No Lamborghini could take on a Viper GTS/R, now I realize that's not what your comparing it to, but look at how successful it was in LeMans, it could do 240 mph with only 700 hp, and it had a DOHC V-10 instead of the OHV V-10, it was extremely light, and could hold 1.67 lateral g's. Now who would want what more is anyone's opinion, US AMERICANS, which love low end torque would rather have something like a Hemi Cuda 440 or the Viper than the Murcielago/Diablo because that's the way we are, me, I would prob take the Viper just because I am American, but I have total respect for a Lambo and would definately take one if given the chance. But when you took this to as which country is better, I think you Englishmen are a little pissed off that we kicked the livin shit out of you in something called the Revolutionary War, never bring it in to what counrty is better, can anything handle our Abrahams tanks?? No, Can anything destroy an F-16, F-15, F-22, F-14 etc.?? Absolutely not, we our far more superior to any country, try to mess with us and you'll take twice the pounding, we also have the NAVY SEALs, the most elite single force in the world.

I am prouder than a pig in shit to be an American.

hmmm.. read this http://www.viperclub.com/viewtopic.php?t=1301

and yah if you think i hate viper :smoka: i have both a viper and a lambo :finger: Ciao

Originally posted by Tony_Ensemble
I am an American and I love the Italian exotics, Thanksgiving, German cars and beer, etc. But I have no doubt why much of the world hates the USA. Its becuase we bomb foreign countries and then make ignorant racist statements. I love the USA but I am embarrassed by the actions of some of my fellow countrymen.

Not all of us are ignorant assholes. Keep an open mind. :)

ok i´ll try to keep that in mind but it´s not so easy to forgett what some of your countrymen said!!!

but your a really great, nice, helpfull guy

thanks!!!!

Originally posted by v10_viper
But when you took this to as which country is better, I think you Englishmen are a little pissed off that we kicked the livin shit out of you in something called the Revolutionary War, never bring it in to what counrty is better, can anything handle our Abrahams tanks?? No, Can anything destroy an F-16, F-15, F-22, F-14 etc.?? Absolutely not, we our far more superior to any country, try to mess with us and you'll take twice the pounding, we also have the NAVY SEALs, the most elite single force in the world.
my god... what can i say... well done, give yourself a round of applause.. and a pat on the back while youre at it (not at once though, its physically impossible, saving you the hours of finding that out)

anyway, what i wanted to say was, you just proved Tony's argument... you know, the one about the embarassing americans making ignorant statements. congratulations u really take the prize

Menu: Let me apologize about my earlier statement, I realize that it probably was a little out of line. Honestly, I don't really remember typing it cuzz I was a little drunk that night. Anyways, I like most German people, hell, I work for Mercedes.

Tony: You understand why the rest of the world hates America? Are you one of those guys that would move to Canada if we ever went to war? Probably.

MBN: Here is a post that I got from your little link:
"One of my viper books states that the engine (or engine plans) was sent Lamborghini for them to add their expertice. Lamborghini was slow to get work done and once they did, the engine had the desired horsepower but lacked the torque that Chrysler was looking for. Almost all of Lamborghini's work was scrapped and team viper finished up the engine." Nuff said buddy.

crazyjay: Funny how you call v10_viper's message stupid when you don't even know what Thanksgiving is when you're parents are both American!!! " no no, something about cowboys shooting indians... " I swear to God that you Europeans like the taste of your own feet. But then again, you all smell like ass anyways so it's probably a welcome change.

MOPAR RULES!!!

taste of our feet? smell like ass? you sure youre not drunk again buddy?

I was born in Europe. I was raised as a European. What's the problem here?

hey i accept your apology...
if you would ever come over here to germany and you would say that.. you would get really really big trouble!

you work for MB? or GM? ( i know mb=gm)
why not bmw??? the car body of bmw should better hit the amercian taste than MB!
well personally i hate mb that´s probably cause of the family because my dad and mum worked for bmw and there´s a big rivalry

Hey Menu,

my dad drives a Mercedes... and you know what, he sold his BMW to buy it :p

I'm only kidding buddy (not about my dad, thats what he did), you just have to see that this is what happens to most people... you start off with a BMW but as you get older a Mercedes, which represents the shift from your priorities: first you want a sporty yet luxurious car to drive, but then you want a more relaxing and comfortable car to drive, perhaps a little more luxurious but sacrificing the sporty drive...
personally, i wouldnt want a Merc for the next 10 years at least. BMW for me: im hoping for a 330Ci Sport big-time! but when i get older, im sure Mercs will begin to look very attractive... thats just the way it goes :)

well with my dad it´s the other way

he get´s older and wants more sportive cars!

2 years ago we had a 740
now a 540 and a z3
2003 we´ll get another 540 and a z4

and he is thinking of buying a ferrari or lamborghini! but it must be a cabrio!
my dad is not so much against mb like me but he would ALWAYS prefer a BMW to a MB!

i see... why are you getting another 540? isnt one enough!?! :D or is it that youre getting the new one (e60)?

which Z4 you getting? 2.5 or 3l?

well our old 540 is 3 years now and it´s getting to many km-... more than 70000...
we´ll get one with about 2 or 3000 km in march! and we´ll sell the other!
z4 we´ll probably get at the end of 2003 then we´ll sell our z3.
i hope we´ll get the z4 3,0 but we don´t know yet.
the e60 ( we always need a estate cause of our 2 dogs) will be released after the iaa 2003 in oktober i think maybe in spring 2004 well sell the 540 we´ll get and by the e60.. but let´s wait and see

but 70,000km is nothing for a BMW!

nice plan nevertheless.. there will always be nice cars in the family :)

70000 km is enough believe me...
the first problems and bigger repairs will come soon

We sold our 5-series when it got to 100k kms and we never had a single major problem with the car. In fact, we only ever had one problem with it, which is that it wouldnt start one morning... Thats not bad in 6 years of ownership!

yyea so you had much look and a really good modell!
1 problem... that´s nothing! we had 4 or 5 times problems
with the battery we had 2 problems
twice the battery had to be changed...
problems with navigation system
problems with catalyst and exhaust system...
engine problems and so on...

you didnt have much luck... ok, i agree, sell it!

I agree with you both. I'd rather own a BMW than a comparable MB. My wife I thin has had some regrets about getting the MB. It's a great car don't get me wrong. But she as mentioned that it seems like Its the most common car on the road (at least here in Dallas). And it always seems that old ladies are driving them. I think If she had it to do over again she get the new 7 series. Iv'e heard her comment about it every time we see one. Although I suspect she'd may prefer the ride of the MB. Now that I think about it, she was originally looking at a 911. I'm not sure what go into her.

Actually, Mercedes = Chrysler, not GM.

Hey YJHeD

What SUV would you recomend for an everyday driving vehicle.
Ive got no kids and I dont take it off road.

Originally posted by YJHeD
Actually, Mercedes = Chrysler, not GM.

thanks!:) i was confused a bit :mad:

Originally posted by Tony_Ensemble
Hey YJHeD

What SUV would you recomend for an everyday driving vehicle.
Ive got no kids and I dont take it off road.
i don´t think you would like a real off road car, right?

maybe a BMW X5 4,6 iS would be the right for you
i don´t know if you like the styling of the porsche cayenne... have a look for both and take a ride!

That's kind of a hard question because I don't know what price range you're looking for. But, considering the fact you own a Lamborghini I'm guessing money isn't your biggest concern.

Being partial to Chrysler products, I would recommend the Jeep Grand Cherokee. I own one and I love it. It's a '96 with 90,000 miles on it and no major repairs have been needed. The engine runs strong and shows no signs of dying anytime soon. My mom actually drove it 13,000 miles without changing the oil, when the oil light came on she added five, yes FIVE (the entire capacity!), quarts of oil to it and drove another couple thousand miles. Oh yeah, and that little 5.2L V8 pulled my Jeep Wrangler and all my stuff home from Wyoming to California with no problem at all. Enough about mine. The new Jeeps have a 4.7L High Output engine which have more power and better gas mileage than the old 5.2L. It has 245 HP stock but if that isn't enough for you you can bolt on a supercharger and get about 340 HP. Grand Cherokees also have good on-road characteristics and of course are always at home in the dirt. If you don't like the way the Grand Cherokee looks you can go with the Dodge Durango, it's basically the same car just a little less expensive and not as luxurious.

Enough of the advertisement for Jeep. My mom now owns Lexus RX300 and it is a great car. It more quite than the Jeep and handles better. It's a smaller, lighter SUV but has less power. It's made by Toyota so I'm sure the engine will last you a good 300,000 miles. The only thing I don't like about it is the styling. It looks good but it's a little too feminine for me.

I'm sure the BMW X5 and Mercedes ML430 are great cars. I don't have any experience driving them. The both look good and I'm sure the have a luxuries and power you'd want. Also take a look at Land Rover, they're a bit pricey but people really seem to love them. Crazyjay probably knows more about them than I do. You can go to www.epinions.com to check out what owners are saying about these cars.

I'd go with the Jeep, but I'm not sure if your looking for a muscle SUV. It would probably be less of a driving shock going from your Lamorghini to the Mercedes/Lexus/BMW than to the Jeep.

Originally posted by Tony_Ensemble
I agree with you both. I'd rather own a BMW than a comparable MB. My wife I thin has had some regrets about getting the MB. It's a great car don't get me wrong. But she as mentioned that it seems like Its the most common car on the road (at least here in Dallas). And it always seems that old ladies are driving them. I think If she had it to do over again she get the new 7 series. Iv'e heard her comment about it every time we see one. Although I suspect she'd may prefer the ride of the MB. Now that I think about it, she was originally looking at a 911. I'm not sure what go into her.

So what Merc does she have? S-class?

Originally posted by Tony_Ensemble
Hey YJHeD

What SUV would you recomend for an everyday driving vehicle.
Ive got no kids and I dont take it off road.

sorry, i know it wasnt intended for me, but i cant resist...

Menu is correct, a BMW X5 is right down your alley. I wouldnt go for a 4.6iS for everyday driving though, the ride is too harsh and it wouldnt be nice to put up with all day. Sacrifice a little horsepower (not that much) and plump for the 4.4i.
Still fast, still excellent to drive, the best 4-by-4-by-far :D

good luck

I forgot, its best attraction is that its by far the least 4x4-like and most car-like to drive out of all the SUV's. That counts for a lot for me, i dont like having a heavy SUV rolling through corners, which is what a Range Rover does. And the X5 is still very luxurious and comfortable inside, not as sumptuous as the new Range, which is also recommended, but still very high quality and comfort.

Originally posted by crayzayjay
I forgot, its best attraction is that its by far the least 4x4-like and most car-like to drive out of all the SUV's. That counts for a lot for me, i dont like having a heavy SUV rolling through corners, which is what a Range Rover does. And the X5 is still very luxurious and comfortable inside, not as sumptuous as the new Range, which is also recommended, but still very high quality and comfort.

why would you say the 4.4 litre is better for tony?
the difference will be big by driving a lambo and then a suv but the difference won´t be too big by owning a x5 4.6 iS
the 4.4 produces 286 ps and 550 nm
the 4,6 iS motor is not build by bmw it´s build by ALPINA
i think it has about 340 ps i´m not sure.
i think tony wants to buy it new??? the waiting times are quite long so think about one with low milage about 2000-7000 km oh miles sorry.

The 4.6iS is great, you were close with the numbers, its has 347bhp compared to the 4.4's 286. But the 4.4's performance isnt that far off the 4.6's and its more comfortable to cruise in due to the slightly softer suspension. For a day to day drive i think this would be more cosseting and comfortable.

Thanks for all the advice. I think if I was single I'd look at the Jeep. I have to take into account that my wife will end up driving it a lot. So perhaps the LX300 or the BMW. On the other hand my wife may prefer an off-road vehicle. Sometimes women will suprise you.

A friend at work is happy with her Acura. Any thoughts?

yea the lx is also a good choice!

but about the acura i cannot tell you anything:(

Yes, the LX is a decent off-roader but when compared to the X5 cracks begin to show in its armour.

Acura i cant tell you anything about either... I think its the same as Honda or something to that effect... :confused:

well acura i would not recommend

I once owned an Acura Legend and I liked it. Today I have an Acura NSX and its excellent. My experience with Acura has been good. Is it the Acura SUV you dont recommend or just Acura in general?

well
the styling is quite good
about the performance i don´t know much
and the transmission is only automatic i think...
and the stiffness of the body is not the best...

but choose the car YOU like most!
and thanks again for the AoM game!!!!! :)

I'm not really interested in the Acura, I was just asking.

>>"AoM"<<
Did you receive it already?

Originally posted by Tony_Ensemble
I once owned an Acura Legend and I liked it. Today I have an Acura NSX and its excellent. My experience with Acura has been good. Is it the Acura SUV you dont recommend or just Acura in general?
well those are the top of the line Acura models you've experienced so it's understandable they were good! This is what i dug up on the Acura MDX SUv:

"Not X5 athletic, but more nimble than RX 300 or a Mercedes M-Class. Sporty at reasonable cornering speeds, with moderate SUV body lean, but feels typically unsteady in sudden swerves. ABS provides short stops with little nosedive, but the brakes were touchy on our test Touring model."

Looks wise i think its very average, kinda blends into the background

More on:

http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/new/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/20765.htm

Originally posted by Menu dei Motori

and thanks again for the AoM game!!!!! :)

AoM?

I sent Menu our latest PC game "Age of Mythology".

tony i was wondering if you would mind posting pics of your nsx and any other cars that are nice you have. sounds like you get to enjoy your money rather well.

-GTi-VR6_A3

Originally posted by Tony_Ensemble
I'm not really interested in the Acura, I was just asking.

>>"AoM"<<
Did you receive it already?

hi tony thanks so much!
i got it but i did not have time to play it because i´ll write a latin test on monday so i have to learn!
but thanks!!!
very kind of you!

greeets

MArius

You want an SUV that will go off-road????


Porsche Cayenne S or Turbo- thats the only name you need to know in this company :D

Originally posted by YJHeD
Lamorghini's are overrated. Sure, they look alright (more like an airplane wing with tires) but they don't perform. Please explain why a Hennessey Viper Venom 800 will kick the shit out of any Lamborghini and cost 1/3 of the price.

That was probably the most retarded argument I have ever heard.
The Viper V10 is a Lamborghini engine.

Originally posted by Deakins


That was probably the most retarded argument I have ever heard.
The Viper V10 is a Lamborghini engine. He also failed to take into account the hact that Hennessy Vipers disintergate after 15,000 miles- and THAT is a well-documented fact- it was what sent Hnnessy bankrupt

Originally posted by Deakins


That was probably the most retarded argument I have ever heard.
The Viper V10 is a Lamborghini engine.

It's not Lambo's engine, they didn't make it, they aren't still making it, Chrysler simply had Lamborghini help them with it. When the Viper was first on the drawing board they had even considered using a 426 HEMI or a 440 even, but since the prototype V-10 was in their heads they used that instead and just lightened it up and made it more powerful. And the new Viper had no help from anyone at all, and that can beat a Lambo.

Originally posted by Jimmy_11_cars
He also failed to take into account the hact that Hennessy Vipers disintergate after 15,000 miles- and THAT is a well-documented fact- it was what sent Hnnessy bankrupt

Where did you hear this? The reason he is bankrupt is for being a con man. He took peoples cars and said he was working on them when he wasn't. And if you dont have respect for the 800TT, go look at his 1000TT.

Btw, they only ran 6 psi on the 800TT, that's nothin really, and they even lowered the compression ratio to deal with the turbos, they wont blow up after 15,000 miles.

Thanks v10_viper, it's nice to finally see someone who know's about cars here. take Jimmy_11's quote for example:
"You want an SUV that will go off-road????
Porsche Cayenne S or Turbo- thats the only name you need to know in this company". everybody knows that the new Porche wasn't designed to go off-road. most of these people in the room only know HP ratings and designs. you better watch out though, these guys are very quick to call moderators into the room if they feel their ego is in danger of being damaged.

oh yeah--don't think i was knocking Porche right there, i love that company. the GT3 is one of the most beautiful machines on earth.

Originally posted by YJHeD
Thanks v10_viper, it's nice to finally see someone who know's about cars here. take Jimmy_11's quote for example:
"You want an SUV that will go off-road????
Porsche Cayenne S or Turbo- thats the only name you need to know in this company". everybody knows that the new Porche wasn't designed to go off-road. most of these people in the room only know HP ratings and designs. you better watch out though, these guys are very quick to call moderators into the room if they feel their ego is in danger of being damaged.

oh yeah--don't think i was knocking Porche right there, i love that company. the GT3 is one of the most beautiful machines on earth.

Oh boo-fucking hoo- The number 1 prirority when designing the Porsche Cayenne was to give it off-road performance to match that of the Range Rover HENCE stealing sales- and I have read a newspaper article on the Cayenne where they had nothing but praise for the Cayennes off-road performance- that ish has torque to boot. Remember if you want me to scan the article just shout-out.

And, chances are I know far more than you about cars- I am the general manager of the FIAT Alfa Romeo Lancia Autos dealership in Genoa AND I have to make serious decisions for our tech department- In fact I'm higher in the Auto industry than you will ever be- you don't know shit about what you are talking about so get lost- Isn't it clear enough that no-one on these boards likes you???? :confused:

Jimmy: Yes, I would like to see that article on the Cayennes off-road performance. And how is it possible that you know more about cars than I do when I've been trained by Mercedes to be a technician? I've also done all the modifications to my Jeep myself. Please tell me about these important decisions that you make for your tech department that makes you so knowledgeable in the mechanics of automobiles. I seriously doubt you are in a higher place in the automotive industry than I will ever be. I'm only 20 and a technician for Mercedes and I'm working on getting into a major university for a Masters degree in automotive engineering. So, Mr. General Manager, keep ordering those oxygen sensors and tires when your shop gets low on supply.

Oh yeah--Why would I care if anybody in here likes me?

Originally posted by v10_viper

It's not Lambo's engine, they didn't make it, they aren't still making it, Chrysler simply had Lamborghini help them with it. When the Viper was first on the drawing board they had even considered using a 426 HEMI or a 440 even, but since the prototype V-10 was in their heads they used that instead and just lightened it up and made it more powerful. And the new Viper had no help from anyone at all, and that can beat a Lambo.

They used their own V10 in one of the prototypes, but that was to heavy, so they turned to Lamborghini, and they made the aluminum V10 Dodge used in the production car.

Originally posted by YJHeD
Jimmy: Yes, I would like to see that article on the Cayennes off-road performance. And how is it possible that you know more about cars than I do when I've been trained by Mercedes to be a technician? I've also done all the modifications to my Jeep myself. Please tell me about these important decisions that you make for your tech department that makes you so knowledgeable in the mechanics of automobiles. I seriously doubt you are in a higher place in the automotive industry than I will ever be. I'm only 20 and a technician for Mercedes and I'm working on getting into a major university for a Masters degree in automotive engineering. So, Mr. General Manager, keep ordering those oxygen sensors and tires when your shop gets low on supply.

Oh yeah--Why would I care if anybody in here likes me?


Wonderful for you- I did all teh modifications to my 156 myself- and that is a far more sophisticated car than your Jeep- that required a lot more thought- such as not wanting to ruin the harmonious induction noise or spoil the cars perfect handling ability.

Guess what- I am 27 and I already have been assigned to Manage a key dealership- in fact about the 7th largest fleet-leasing agenncy in the whole of Italy- if that don't sound impresive- remember- I am still only 27.

It is one of my duties to help out the n00b technical staff as well and supervising them they do ALL service/repairs correctly AND how to check the rest of the car for signs that a certain component needs repair.

And yes ordering Oxygen sensors and tyres is one of my many responsibilities.

No need to scan the Cayenne article I found it on the net-http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2131550a2021,00.html - I'd also like to interest you in these OTHER journalists who have ALSO praised the Cayennes off-road performance- but if you still want me to scan it the shout out.

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/motoring/roadtests/roadtest_570_1.html
http://motoring.iafrica.com/roadtest/186838.htm
http://newsmotoring.news.com.au/thecouriermail/story_page/0,8269,5607884%255E3065,00.html
http://www.carpages.co.uk/news/porsche/porsche_cayenne_sets_new_standards_part_1_10_06_02 .asp
There are more- but I'll leave you to find those


Also check out what they are going to do here-
http://waw.wardsauto.com/ar/auto_leipzig_porsches_crown/

Originally posted by YJHeD
did you mention Alfa Romeo and style in the same paragraph? those are the worst looking cars ever built. ill name an american car with the same style. FORD PINTO!!!!!!!!!! how about the GREMLIN!!!!!!!! ive taken shits that look better than an Alfa Romeo.

http://www.alfapower.nu/albums/album39/aaa.sized.jpg

You must have pretty shits.


http://www.asaf.co.il/alfa/images/156.jpg

> (greater than)

http://www.chevrolet.com/malibu/images/gallery/gallery_major06.jpg


By the way, learn how to capitalize and use punctuation yourself before critisizing others.

Not that this thread isn't already bastardized enough, but if you think that the Cayenne wasn't built with off road performance in mind, you're sorely mistaken. If you take 5 minutes and watch some of the movies on Porsche's website, you'll figure out that even the 911 Carrera 4 was built with off road performance in mind. The C4 can probably do things that half the SUV's in the world can't. The Cayenne even trumps the H2 in many off road situations.