I beat an nsx in the quarter mile yesterday. damn. i seriously thought i was going to get my ass kicked but i was wrong... one nitrous boost after 6500 rpm and he was gone!

hmm. looks are decieving as he found out as well as you.

his car looked good sounded good looked fast as hell but not much go
yours wasnt as far along on the body but you had nitrous so yuh got em

good kill short story..

I am sure the NSX handles nice, but there just not that fast.

Originally posted by CaptainRSX
I beat an nsx in the quarter mile yesterday. damn. i seriously thought i was going to get my ass kicked but i was wrong... one nitrous boost after 6500 rpm and he was gone!

You have a TT RSX?? :eek:

I agree. NSX's are expensive and slow for what they should be. But if he had a bottle I bet it would have been a different story.

Good Kill.

gotta remember in 1992, 270hp and 6spd was quite a deal, hell, I think that was better than what corvette had to offer, there was nothing that much from ford or dodge, about the only real competition would have been possibly the 300zxTT, and maybe the Supra Turbo and rx7TT. It is dated though, they need to bring it back with 100 more horses, and it should be fine again

3.0 V6 270 bhp @ 7100 rpm, 210 lb-ft @ 5300 rpm.
Performance: 0-60 in 5.7 seconds, 1/4 mile in 14.0 seconds NSX INFO


92 ZR-1: 375hp 370ft-lbs
Curb Weight: 3400lbs

(corvette)

92 Z28: 5.7 TPI V8 245bhp

92 Viper 400hp 450ft-lbs (still cheeper than a NSX)


92 5.0 Mustang: Horsepower : 225 BHP @ 4200 RPM
Torque : 300 Ft-Lb @ 3200 RPM ]
0-60: 6.2 quarter: 14.8

All these cars, even the ones with less HP have bucketloads more Torque, which is king for street racing and going fast at all.

Torque gets you to speed, horsepower supports more speed, both are needed, torque will push you on the streets, HP is better for a track.


Sorry riceboy, Domestics kicked the NSX's ass hard

i'll have to back up my boy on this... NSX isnt all that.

There is plenty of Domestic cars from 92 that would be much more worth it.

Why would you pay 90k for a Honda that runs 14 in the quarter. OH WOW.

When I could pay 52K for a Corvette Z06 that runs 12's in the quarter. OH YAY! Leaves me 38K to send it to Ligenfelter and make it TT. That calls for a HELLZ YEAH!

Did you know, for the 12 years (91-02) the NSX was in production in the US, its Horsepower only increased from 270 to 290?

Look at the Domestics, over the past 11 years they made a Huge improvement. Infact in 93, the LT1 hit 275hp... thats in 93. Look at the 02 LS1 320hp. And its like 60k cheaper. Look at Mustangs... with options of 390hp from the Factory. Im sorry but the NSX may have F1 technology and Vtec... but as for a performance bargain domestics have it beat...

hell even some new imports are creepin on its territory.


Oh yeah, Good kill.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
HP is better for a track.

Exactly TV :) it's just plain stupid to drag race with an NSX. It's a waste of a beautiful and expensive piece of machinery. The NSX is a track car, plain and simple. Just like pretty much every other Japanese sports car. They arne't made for drag racing, they're made for the track.

and yet so many people brag of how fast hondas are, how they are king of the streets, forgetting to tell the story of how a beat up 30 year old truck smoked them. This is my point, domestics are GENERALLY set up for strait line power, a civic is NO MATCH, nor is an accord, or Accura etc, yes you can mod them, the domestics can be moded too. Handling is where they excell, so brag about that, and there will be peace for once in the great universe of racing!

Yes...good kill bty

Did you know NSXs are handmade? No, they're not the fastest things on the road, and they weren't even back in 1990 when they were introduced, but they are exotic. And, all things considered, they are cheap for and exotic, handmade car.

If the idea of a handmade car doesn't appeal to you, you're probably not the person Honda expected to buy an NSX in the first place... ;)

And they're not so hot for the drag racing... :o

http://www.acura.com/models/nsx_comp_frame.asp


haha And for those of you who will say, It gets better gas milege.

Do the comparison between the NSX 3.2 and the Corvette Z06


you'll see the light of.... of the Z06.:angel:

There is no doubt that the NSX isn't a track car. I'm thinking of getting one. Not for raw speed - there are better cars for that, but what an awsome feel to that car!

Originally posted by YogsVR4
There is no doubt that the NSX isn't a track car.:confused: It is a track car...(as in road course) It's not a drag car... :confused:

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
and yet so many people brag of how fast hondas are, how they are king of the streets, forgetting to tell the story of how a beat up 30 year old truck smoked them. This is my point, domestics are GENERALLY set up for strait line power, a civic is NO MATCH, nor is an accord, or Accura etc, yes you can mod them, the domestics can be moded too. Handling is where they excell, so brag about that, and there will be peace for once in the great universe of racing!

Yes...good kill bty

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST PEOPLE!!!

Another simple race story turned into a fucking "Honda sucks" campaign by a fucking Ford prick!!!

Look: OF COURSE THEY ARE GONNA BRAG ABOUT HOW FAST THEIR HONDAS ARE IN THIS FORUM...THIS IS WHAT THIS FUCKING FORUM IS ALL ABOUT!!!!!

Now GO BACK TO THE FORD FORUM AND TALK ALL THE SHIT YOU WANT ABOUT HONDAS, OKAY?

BYE.

PS: for all of you who have been paying attention, I have been trying to push this same, fucking point, albeit more diplomatically, into their(TV and SVT's) heads for some time now. SVT isn't in this one, and for that I'm glad. Even Redneck saying something about the NSX is okay, since he only states facts, but TV is just being an intolerant asshole as he always has been. It's like a racist Nazi talking shit inside the Apollo Theatre. What a moron.

Originally posted by CaptainRSX
I beat an nsx in the quarter mile yesterday. damn. i seriously thought i was going to get my ass kicked but i was wrong... one nitrous boost after 6500 rpm and he was gone!

Please tell me who the hell did you find to customize a TT for your RSX when even in Japan they're barely producing SINGLE turbos for the RSX...of which the owner of the shop I work for is getting one for his RSX...it'll be ready in Nov(his car with the installed turbo), even though he's had the RSX since the beginning of this year, because they have BARELY COME OUT WITH A TURBO...and you have a TT? Please explain.

I was going to close this thread because it was obvious BS and I figured that no one would pay much attention to it. Everyone just chill out and leave the brand bashing for another place.

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


Please tell me who the hell did you find to customize a TT for your RSX when even in Japan they're barely producing SINGLE turbos for the RSX...of which the owner of the shop I work for is getting one for his RSX...it'll be ready in Nov(his car with the installed turbo), even though he's had the RSX since the beginning of this year, because they have BARELY COME OUT WITH A TURBO...and you have a TT? Please explain.

THANK YOU!!! I asked this same question very early on in this post...A TT RSX??? How? Where? When? WHY?

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


JESUS FUCKING CHRIST PEOPLE!!!

Another simple race story turned into a fucking "Honda sucks" campaign by a fucking Ford prick!!!


Really? I turned this into a honda sucks campain?

Originally posted by cybercrx00
gotta remember in 1992, 270hp and 6spd was quite a deal, hell, I think that was better than what corvette had to offer, there was nothing that much from ford or dodge, about the only real competition would have been possibly the 300zxTT, and maybe the Supra Turbo and rx7TT. It is dated though, they need to bring it back with 100 more horses, and it should be fine again

Followed by

Originally posted by me

3.0 V6 270 bhp @ 7100 rpm, 210 lb-ft @ 5300 rpm.
Performance: 0-60 in 5.7 seconds, 1/4 mile in 14.0 seconds NSX INFO


92 ZR-1: 375hp 370ft-lbs
Curb Weight: 3400lbs

(corvette)

92 Z28: 5.7 TPI V8 245bhp

92 Viper 400hp 450ft-lbs (still cheeper than a NSX)


92 5.0 Mustang: Horsepower : 225 BHP @ 4200 RPM
Torque : 300 Ft-Lb @ 3200 RPM ]
0-60: 6.2 quarter: 14.8

All these cars, even the ones with less HP have bucketloads more Torque, which is king for street racing and going fast at all.

Torque gets you to speed, horsepower supports more speed, both are needed, torque will push you on the streets, HP is better for a track.


Sorry riceboy, Domestics kicked the NSX's ass hard


Do you see the facts?

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
and yet so many people brag of how fast hondas are, how they are king of the streets, forgetting to tell the story of how a beat up 30 year old truck smoked them. This is my point, domestics are GENERALLY set up for strait line power, a civic is NO MATCH, nor is an accord, or Accura etc, yes you can mod them, the domestics can be moded too. Handling is where they excell, so brag about that, and there will be peace for once in the great universe of racing!


Stock vs stock, who would win in a straitaway, A 95 type R or 95 z28? The Z28 should...BUT who would win a road corse? The Type R should as far as my knowlage goes. THIS IS MY POINT. If someone said "my Acura can outhandle your T-bird" I would simply say "Very true, it could" Its why I gear my car twords strait-line power, because it DOSENT HAVE GOOD HANDLING, UNLIKE HONDAS I'm sick of seeing STOCK CRX's braging about their awesome quartermile times when many many stock domestics can beat them just to have them say "I wouldnt try that, its not made for that" When I ask them how it handles. I want an Accura, DID YOU HEAR ME OR ARE YOU SO BIASED YOU CANT READ? I said I want an Accura, I love the styling, and the handling of them. There is also a good market to help increase the speed of them, already decently fast one of the more impressive cars honda has its hands in, at least in my opinion.


Now GO BACK TO THE FORD FORUM AND TALK ALL THE SHIT YOU WANT ABOUT HONDAS, OKAY?
Hey jackass, I dont bash honda's in the Ford forum, I answer technical questions there. I dont bash hondas here, I DEFEND Domestics when someone puts something dumb about them. Such as how there wasnt a domestic match for the NSX at the time. And you cant argue that domestics had the NSX beaten in quarter times. The viper should be a match for handling, perhaps the Corvette, ,Redneck could tell you that. But the Mustang and z28 would be laughed at by a NSX Driver.

PS: for all of you who have been paying attention, I have been trying to push this same, fucking point, albeit more diplomatically, into their(TV and SVT's) heads for some time now. SVT isn't in this one, and for that I'm glad. Even Redneck saying something about the NSX is okay, since he only states facts, but TV is just being an intolerant asshole as he always has been. It's like a racist Nazi talking shit inside the Apollo Theatre. What a moron.

I'm an asshole, wow, immagine what that must make you...especally being a moderator, and to think I was defending domestics. I have many times not posted because there isnt anything good to say, even if I dont like hondas I still keep my mouth shut, but when someone like Cybercrx00 says something so ignorant I will defend my brand of cars.

With all this said, for how 90% of this fourm was killed, you dont have to worry much about me posting, but carrrnuttt, you said you dont take ignorance, or blatent car bashing by your flock *honda boys and gals*, LIVE UP TO THAT.

Originally posted by jay@af
:confused: It is a track car...(as in road course) It's not a drag car... :confused:

I stand corrected. I was thinking of dragging and equated that to track.

Holy Snikies TV.. calm down...


Lets state some facts... NSX, yes it is hand made, it is exotic.

And yes it does do very well on closed course racing.. just not straight line stuff.

I like some Honda products, not all. NSX is one of them, If I had 90k to burn, i'd probably consider it. Cause well lets face it, We've all seen Corvettes. But few have seen NSX's. So yes its rare and exotic.


Boy... we're just one big group of ignorant a-holes arent we? Mass name calling, mass brand bashing... lets just stop that crap ok?

We prefer the Domestic 'Yank Tanks' haha
You prefer the Import 'Rice Rockets' haha...

There is a happy medium... isnt there???


Group Hug?? :angel:

To the person who started this thread, obviously ur a newb... Twin Turbo RSX??? unless ur a really experienced auto junkie, ur prolly one of the Fast and Furious Fans that gains pride with stickers...
:stormzap:

ok, let me say this

Everytime I see an NSX I always go "man, I wish I had one of those" I love them. The styling, the power *it does have some get up and go, not what I would want for the money but still good times* And the phenominal handling carastics.

I never meant to bash honda, and I especally never ment to bash accura with my post, I love accura. I dont generally like honda, but thats my opinion. Yes, I do know Accura is powered by honda, and thats fine by me. Actually, I truly like the prelude, yes you heard me say it, I like a [H].

Carrnutt, can we agree to dissagree, and NOT use names on eachother? I'm domestic, your import, I can apprecate your imports can you apprecate my domestics?

*throws a dove and waves a flag and smokes a pipe and whatnot*

Okay, so I'm going for the non-inflamatory, run of the mill correction here. In 1993 the LT1's had 275, correct. In 2002 though, the new LS1 SS's can be ordered with up to 345 hp, just a little thing, no biggie...

(Watch me be cast down upon from the clouds now...)

for christ sake end it please. no one cares about domestics anymore here. a goddamn RSX beat an NSX

good fuckin kill man w0o!

HOT LAVA!

Originally posted by j.fuggi
for christ sake end it please. no one cares about domestics anymore here. a goddamn RSX beat an NSX

good fuckin kill man w0o!

HOT LAVA!

Yea, ok...But the RSX is most likely fictional and didn't beat an NSX...Read his sig....yeeeaaaaa riiiiigggghhhttttt:rolleyes:

I dont mind a little bit of flaming but I will rebel against any group hug!!! ;) :D

Originally posted by Self


Yea, ok...But the RSX is most likely fictional and didn't beat an NSX...Read his sig....yeeeaaaaa riiiiigggghhhttttt:rolleyes:

now that i look back and read it again i realize it is BS.

who says tokico suspension kit? who says they have a spoiler? nitrous and turbo, twin turbo i might add, with no internal mods listed.

i'm callin BS on this one now too... :apuke:

Originally posted by jay@af
Did you know NSXs are handmade? No, they're not the fastest things on the road, and they weren't even back in 1990 when they were introduced, but they are exotic. And, all things considered, they are cheap for and exotic, handmade car.

If the idea of a handmade car doesn't appeal to you, you're probably not the person Honda expected to buy an NSX in the first place... ;)

And they're not so hot for the drag racing... :o




Isnt that nice. The 2003 cobra engine is handmade from bare block to finished running unit. And cost 30 grand less as well as walk circles around the NSX in the 1/4, and no doubt be a serious contender on a road course. Basically its another over rated and priced honda vehicle, that to those driving civics probably looks pretty good for obvious reasons.

he said CAR an engine is apart of a car

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
he said CAR an engine is apart of a car


Did I say an engine is the whole car? Though a very important part no doubt. I suppose they hammer the body panels out of lumps of raw material:rolleyes: I was pointing out that being handmade is not so exclusive. Not that handmade is better, it leaves room for human error. Its basically a way to save money on vehicles made in very small numbers. Its much more expensive to set up the machines and robots.

Originally posted by CaptainRSX
I beat an nsx in the quarter mile yesterday. damn. i seriously thought i was going to get my ass kicked but i was wrong... one nitrous boost after 6500 rpm and he was gone!


i got curious and looked up the Mighty RSX-S at Acura.com and found out it redlines at 6800rpm.


Which makes me wonder, why would I squeeze when im at 6500rpm...300rpm shy of redline? It would seem like that would make the motor just bounce off the rev limitor for a bit while the nitrous was burnt off.

Also, the RSX-S has a weight distribution of 61/39. Obviously its a tad bit nose heavy, but for a FWD car i suppose thats good to keep weight over the drive wheels.

Has a power to weight ratio of 13.8:1. I suppose thats ok.. for a 2771lb car.

11:1 compression.. oh my geeze. You gotta run 91 octane in it. Ever realise thats how these small motors get the high horsepower numbers? they just up the compression. just like my motor, up the compression to make more horsepower with out having to bigger in cubic inches... or liters if you like those better.

But what do I know... I drive a Chevy.

Ok, I'll try to settle this arguement over the NSX. I can honestly look at it from both sides and can see the + and - of picking the car. Of course the 03 Cobra would beat it in a straight line contest, and because of its superior acceleration, might even beat it on a road course. With that said, it is obvious that the NSX is a more exclusive car and that it is more luxurious. Obviously, people looking at buying a NSX aren't even going to consider buying the 03 Cobra regardless of the performance. They are more likely to buy a Viper, Carrera or other cars in the same catagory/price range. Acura admits that the NSX is dated and is in dire need of a re-make, but if it ain't broke........the new NSX should arrive as a 04 model at the end of next year.

Originally posted by inferno
Ok, I'll try to settle this arguement over the NSX. I can honestly look at it from both sides and can see the + and - of picking the car. Of course the 03 Cobra would beat it in a straight line contest, and because of its superior acceleration, might even beat it on a road course. With that said, it is obvious that the NSX is a more exclusive car and that it is more luxurious. Obviously, people looking at buying a NSX aren't even going to consider buying the 03 Cobra regardless of the performance. They are more likely to buy a Viper, Carrera or other cars in the same catagory/price range. Acura admits that the NSX is dated and is in dire need of a re-make, but if it ain't broke........the new NSX should arrive as a 04 model at the end of next year.

Very well put

Also, if you find any great info on *or if you already have it* the 04 NSX I'd love to see it. As I said, I have always loved the NSX, not for its performance for the sake of argument but its style and handling.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity


Very well put

Also, if you find any great info on *or if you already have it* the 04 NSX I'd love to see it. As I said, I have always loved the NSX, not for its performance for the sake of argument but its style and handling.

Sorry, for some reason Honda is being very hush hush about the new NSX. There still isn't confirmation as to what will be powering the car. Just rumors right now, but they have said that they will be coming out with a new car for 04. One rumor says a 350hp v8 others say similar powered v6's, some say that they are abandoning the aluminum frame, others say it is going to still be an aluminum frame. I've also heard that there will be two models, one low end for around 50-60k and the top of the line for around 90k. We will see next year.

i would love to see a honda v8

I wouldn't, would probably kick my ass. But for the price, I could get two SS for the base model new NSX, and three, almost four SS's for the top of the line (or 2 Z06's)...

I have always liked the lines of the NSX though, definately more exotic than my sports car...

i have nothing against muscle cars but its just the time we grow up, i grew up in the 90's and still am growing thru the .....what do well call it now? lol the 00's :confused: but if i had the money i would want a old trans am or something to mess around with, dont have the money tho and i like the new z06's they arent bad

Honda doesn't want to announce the plans and end up getting outdone. I am sure that they are going to be aiming at 400hp plus when they release the top of the line model, and they have the technology to do it. Imagine two s2k motors fused together somehow. 480hp 4 liter V8 would be more than enough to compete with even the higher class cars. :D:D:D

that would be awesome, i wanna see honda come out with a rally car

Yeah, it sounds like it'll be a pretty stout car, both for inline speeds and for the twisties...

Originally posted by inferno
Honda doesn't want to announce the plans and end up getting outdone. I am sure that they are going to be aiming at 400hp plus when they release the top of the line model, and they have the technology to do it. Imagine two s2k motors fused together somehow. 480hp 4 liter V8 would be more than enough to compete with even the higher class cars. :D:D:D

it would be enough to gain some respect from me;)

Originally posted by inferno
Honda doesn't want to announce the plans and end up getting outdone. I am sure that they are going to be aiming at 400hp plus when they release the top of the line model, and they have the technology to do it. Imagine two s2k motors fused together somehow. 480hp 4 liter V8 would be more than enough to compete with even the higher class cars. :D:D:D

I hope they base their V8 from THIS 2.6 Liter, 800HP Honda V8. Imagine doubling the displacement on THIS sucka:ylsuper ...

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/655146HondaV8.JPG

P.S. Did I mention it's naturally-aspirated? Or that this motor is LIGHTER than ANY of Honda's current V6's?:D

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


I hope they base their V8 from THIS 2.6 Liter, 800HP Honda V8. Imagine doubling the displacement on THIS sucka:ylsuper ...


P.S. Did I mention it's naturally-aspirated? Or that this motor is LIGHTER than ANY of Honda's current V6's?:D

I hope they DON'T. I'm not a fan of teeny tiny v8 engines(except in Indy of course, or other areas where that's the best/only way to go). But for the most part, making a v8 engine super small and then forcing it to run like a v6 defeats the purpose of building a v8! Get some displacement in there! Let's see that TORQUE v8s are optimized for! I had heard talks of the new NSX having a 3.5L V8 engine...

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
I am sure the NSX handles nice, but there just not that fast.

depends which NSX you're talking about

3.0 has 5 speed

some 3.2's have 5 speeds

the newer 3.2s have 6 speeds and do a max of 175mph

and the new Type R has a 12 second quater mile that is slightly faster than a Skyline GTR Vspec (i might like to add this is not the Vspec II i am a big fan of the skyline and the 00 NSX but i didn't realise the NSX had an advantage on straight line speed)



any of you guys seen the option or best motoring vid of the Japanese super cars racing


The Skyline was putting in the fastest laps it was so rapid in the corners you could see it march away from the NSX but the RX7 won a nice blue one too ............. my next car is a .............RX7 hopefully .........:)

urg INDY? whats wrong with F1 ? the F1 engine is a V10 ? hehe no those things die after one race its a waste of time


developing an engine that has less horsepower would last longer and be more feasable than some stupid V8 from indy or V10 from F1


if i had a choice i'd take the F1 engine i love the sound and the amount of tech !!!!!!!!!!!11

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


I hope they base their V8 from THIS 2.6 Liter, 800HP Honda V8. Imagine doubling the displacement on THIS sucka:ylsuper ...

http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/655146HondaV8.JPG

P.S. Did I mention it's naturally-aspirated? Or that this motor is LIGHTER than ANY of Honda's current V6's?:D

but see, then yall would have v8 pride, wouldnt that throw off the balance of the universe? :p

(just jokin around, noone take this as a hit:bloated: )

Originally posted by Self


I hope they DON'T. I'm not a fan of teeny tiny v8 engines(except in Indy of course, or other areas where that's the best/only way to go). But for the most part, making a v8 engine super small and then forcing it to run like a v6 defeats the purpose of building a v8! Get some displacement in there! Let's see that TORQUE v8s are optimized for! I had heard talks of the new NSX having a 3.5L V8 engine...

That's what I meant by doubling the displacement...

...can you imagine a 5.2 Liter Honda V8 with around 1600 HP?:bloated:

...or they can cut the revs in half (This V8 redlines at about 13000 RPMs) and still have a Honda 5.2 V8 with about 800 HP. You think that's enough?:p

Originally posted by 94svt5.0



Did I say an engine is the whole car? Though a very important part no doubt. I suppose they hammer the body panels out of lumps of raw material:rolleyes: I was pointing out that being handmade is not so exclusive. Not that handmade is better, it leaves room for human error. Its basically a way to save money on vehicles made in very small numbers. Its much more expensive to set up the machines and robots. They don't hand build them to save money. They hand build them because it's the pride of Honda's fleet. They hand build them because of the attention to detail and the care put into hand building a car. Save money on a car that is produced in small numbers?? lol. Did you know the Honda S2000 is hand built in the same exact factory? That's right, the 3000-5000 S2000's produced every year are hand built from the bottom up (including the entire engine) in Tochigi, Japan. It's not to save money.

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


That's what I meant by doubling the displacement...

...can you imagine a 5.2 Liter Honda V8 with around 1600 HP?:bloated:

...or they can cut the revs in half (This V8 redlines at about 13000 RPMs) and still have a Honda 5.2 V8 with about 800 HP. You think that's enough?:p

Oh...But c'mon now, you know that's not how things work! Doubling displacement doesn't necessarily double hp, A 5.2L v8 pushing 1600hp NA is one of the craziest things I've ever heard, especially if you're talking about putting this in any sort of production vehicle.

true, but how about a 600hp 5.2 stock

I wouldnt find it too hard to believe if I heard the new nsx had 600 hp if it had a honda built 5.2...course...then i'd feel weird having a engine built by honda with .2 cubes more than me :p

I'D DRIVE IT!

:D

Hell, I've never driven an NSX, so if someone drove up with one and said, "Hop in and take it for a spin", I'd just say "Peace!!!" and haul some ass...

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Isnt that nice.Umm... I think so.
Originally posted by 94svt5.0
The 2003 cobra engine is handmade from bare block to finished running unit. And cost 30 grand less...And I'm sure it's an incredible engine, but then they put it in the same plastic-y body that I see on eleventy billion V6 Mustangs everyday. Yes, I know there will be styling differences, and the whole 'sleeper' thing is totally attractive to me... But I just don't expect to be too impressed by the looks of it. (However, when I hear it... :eek: )
Originally posted by 94svt5.0
...as well as walk circles around the NSX in the 1/4, and no doubt be a serious contender on a road course.I already said the NSX is not good for the 1/4 racing... :confused: That's no deal breaker for me, since I could care less, personally, for straight-line racing. I would certainly love to see the two do battle on a road course, though! :D
Originally posted by honda troll
Did you know the Honda S2000 is hand built in the same exact factory? That's right, the 3000-5000 S2000's produced every year are hand built from the bottom up (including the entire engine) in Tochigi, Japan. It's not to save money. I do not think the S2000 is fully handmade. I'd believe the engines are, but not the entire car. (Unless you can point me to something stating otherwise... ;)) The production numbers are just too high. NSX production numbers have been ramping down from ~3100 in 1991 to ~250 in 1998. I know the Tochigi plant makes all the Type R engines, too, so that can account for some displaced capacity. I also read (on Temple of VTEC, IIRC) that when the S2000 went into production, they slowed the NSX line to one unit a day.

Also, from everything I've read, (including an L.A. Times article naming American Honda's Executive Vice President Tom Elliot as a source) it seems to me that Honda wants to develop its DN-X (a.k.a. Dualnote) concept into a production car. If you're not familiar with it, it's a 4-door mid-engined car that uses Honda's IMA (Integrated Motor Assist) technology (hybrid, like the Insight) to couple a 300hp V6 w/ an ~100hp electric motor. Without any specific stats, I'd expect the 300hp V6 to be some type of derivative of the NSX's current engine (perhaps smaller?). The electric motor, which would essentially be there to provide torque on demand, and the V6 are coupled to an AWD drivetrain.

Let me say it again. Handbuilt is a way to save money. No need to make the tooling for very limited production vehicles. And to -jay@af If you think the v6 mustangs look anything like the new cobra then you have to be blind or ignorant or maybe both. Different hood, front bumper, back bumper, spoiler, emblems, interior and rims just to name a few differences. And yes, I would love to see the new cobra take on the NSX on a road course, but if there are many straight aways the cobra would have an advantage. Regardless they are two very different cars.

ok first of all when it comes to drag racing V8's are not even in the same class as the 4-bangers. Why are we even talking about this? Who was it that said that they think it is funny when someone brags about what thier stock CRX ran? Again as I said we are in a whole diffrent class of drag racing so if someone gets a 15.5 on stock CRX that is pretty damn good for what he has. Why do you have to be the fastest thing that drives in a straight line anyways? Let people be happy with what they have without being an ass to them.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Let me say it again. Handbuilt is a way to save money. No need to make the tooling for very limited production vehicles. And to -jay@af If you think the v6 mustangs look anything like the new cobra then you have to be blind or ignorant or maybe both. Different hood, front bumper, back bumper, spoiler, emblems, interior and rims just to name a few differences. And yes, I would love to see the new cobra take on the NSX on a road course, but if there are many straight aways the cobra would have an advantage. Regardless they are two very different cars.

If handbuilt is a money saver, then why are Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Rolls-Royces, Bentleys...to name a few...so damned expensive? It is what adds to their exclusivity. Mass-production was invented to make products CHEAPER. This is one of the reasons why SALEENS are so expensive, if you think about it. Also, the latest Japan-only NSX-R runs the quarter in around mid-to-low 12's. That's with a naturally-aspirated V6...running nearly the same times as a BLOWN V8. Ruminate on that before you start getting back on your soap-box about how awesome the new Cobra is. Of course there is always the price difference...but we are discussing performance here.

I would like to see the '03 Cobra up against the NSX-R at the track...straight-aways or not.

I nominate myself for driving that NSX-R on the track when the time comes, anyone like to throw one in there for me to drive? Anyone??

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
then i'd feel weird having a engine built by honda with .2 cubes more than me :p

I'D DRIVE IT!

:D


.2 more cubes? They're talking Liters here TV. So for you, it would be 16 more Cubic Inches.

5.0 liters = 302ci (if we want to be technical, they'r really 4.9liters so 299ci, The Chevy 305 is a true 5.0 but nobody is caring about the damn Chevy 5.0 right?)

5.2 liters = 318ci

Basically if Honda made this motor, they made a Japanese version of the Dodge 318. Hahaha, except for they like the whole DOHC thing.... pshh like that'll ever catch on :rolleyes:

Originally posted by BlkCamaroSS
I nominate myself for driving that NSX-R on the track when the time comes, anyone like to throw one in there for me to drive? Anyone??

I'll let you borrow mine as soon as I win in Powerball:D...

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


I'll let you borrow mine as soon as I win in Powerball:D...

Excellent, I'm gonna hold you to that...:D

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


If handbuilt is a money saver, then why are Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Rolls-Royces, Bentleys...to name a few...so damned expensive? It is what adds to their exclusivity. Mass-production was invented to make products CHEAPER. This is one of the reasons why SALEENS are so expensive, if you think about it. Also, the latest Japan-only NSX-R runs the quarter in around mid-to-low 12's. That's with a naturally-aspirated V6...running nearly the same times as a BLOWN V8. Ruminate on that before you start getting back on your soap-box about how awesome the new Cobra is. Of course there is always the price difference...but we are discussing performance here.

I would like to see the '03 Cobra up against the NSX-R at the track...straight-aways or not.


Regardless of the price of the car, since as you said where not talking price. How could it cost more to handbuild then to equip a factory with a full array of specific tooled robots and equipment? If its cheaper for them to hand build rather then eqip a factory, then is it not saving money? Technology and namebrand as well as function and market, dictate price, not so much buliding cost other then to establish a basment for price building. Also, how about we talk about cars for sale in the USA, instead of some car from some country is better then some car somewhere. Who gives a care, you cant buy and drive it here. If you dont like my opinions, dont expect me to like yours.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0



Regardless of the price of the car, since as you said where not talking price. How could it cost more to handbuild then to equip a factory with a full array of specific tooled robots and equipment? If its cheaper for them to hand build rather then eqip a factory, then is it not saving money? Technology and namebrand as well as function and market, dictate price, not so much buliding cost other then to establish a basment for price building. Also, how about we talk about cars for sale in the USA, instead of some car from some country is better then some car somewhere. Who gives a care, you cant buy and drive it here. If you dont like my opinions, dont expect me to like yours.

Well, you talk like the Cobra is the end-all and be-all of cars. If you want to talk about cars sold in the US, let's talk about the new Lancer EVO VIII (VII in Japan) to be sold in the US...a blown 4-banger that will run low 13's and 500-dollar-or-less boost-controller away from running 12's...at a CHEAPER price, and 2 MORE doors than your Mustang...

...with probably a hell-of-a-lot better gas mileage.

I don't mind opinions that support your particular car of choice...it's just that you don't need to be putting down other makes while you're at it...it only makes YOU look bad. The General boys can do it...whay can't you? Shit, even the claimed Redneck can show respect...think about that.

Originally posted by carrrnuttt
I don't mind opinions that support your particular car of choice...it's just that you don't need to be putting down other makes while you're at it...it only makes YOU look bad.

1, 2, 3. He's out!

It's official, :flamer: 94svt5.0 :rocket: is down for the count!

*roars of applause fill the forum*

Again, they make 3000+ S2k's a year. IT'S NOT TO SAVE MONEY!!! Get a clue. So you are trying to tell me that they hand build parts of the Z06 to save money? It is for exclusivity, and for the pride and workmanship that goes into a hand built car. Having a hand built car means much better quality control as well. It's easier to check the quality of a car as you hand build it through it's many stages. Rather than trying to check every 10th car on a factory line with machines.

Originally posted by jay@af
I do not think the S2000 is fully handmade. I'd believe the engines are, but not the entire car. (Unless you can point me to something stating otherwise... ;)) The production numbers are just too high. Ask and you shall receive. :)


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Originally posted by honda troll
Ask and you shall receive. :):eek: :eek: Me likey! :D They must be busy little buggers! :eek:

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
And to -jay@af If you think the v6 mustangs look anything like the new cobra then you have to be blind or ignorant or maybe both. Different hood, front bumper, back bumper, spoiler, emblems, interior and rims just to name a few differences.Maybe it's just where I live, but 75% of the V6 mustangs already have different/custom hoods, bumpers, spoilers, emblems, etc. (which are not always complimentary to the overall car. :rolleyes: ) They all still look like Mustangs. I never said I woundn't be able to tell the difference, just that it wouldn't be enough of a difference.

i hate this freaken thread i wish you guys would pick another one .

Everytime this thread starts getting back positive, someone has to flare up and start another arguement......I don't want to close this thread, but if it keeps down this path, I will.

once again i was joking:rolleyes:
i guess its just because i dont own a rsx. wish i did. i really wish i did i love those cars with aftermarket shit on em. they look so freaken bad ass. but bordom kicked in about 3 pages back..

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


Well, you talk like the Cobra is the end-all and be-all of cars. If you want to talk about cars sold in the US, let's talk about the new Lancer EVO VIII (VII in Japan) to be sold in the US...a blown 4-banger that will run low 13's and 500-dollar-or-less boost-controller away from running 12's...at a CHEAPER price, and 2 MORE doors than your Mustang...

...with probably a hell-of-a-lot better gas mileage.

I don't mind opinions that support your particular car of choice...it's just that you don't need to be putting down other makes while you're at it...it only makes YOU look bad. The General boys can do it...whay can't you? Shit, even the claimed Redneck can show respect...think about that.


You know carnutt sometimes I forget that only you are allowed to flaunt a particular choice of car, while putting others down. My bad I will try to remember that. About the EVOIII, sounds like its going to be a sweet car, but remeber alot of people dont give a darn about mpg when they buy a car. I know thats hard to understand for a civic driver. I wonder what motivates people to buy exotic cars getting 8 mpg? I bet they think about mpg. Also, are you flaunting 4 doors as a selling point? What are they catering these cars to senoir citizens? Trust me, the only one looking bad is YOU. I show my respect, you ignore it. I have never seen the lack of respect that is generly shown to domestic cars by import drivers. Somwhere along the way they got off thinking there economy cars where king. Going down the street I have stock civics trying to race me, because they read somewhere that mustangs are slow and heavy, and that powerfull economy car will walk it. Its really kind of sad, I see it on the street, in the pages of sport compact magazines and particularly on this board. And people like you carnutt are partly to blame, at least for the atmosphere of this forum. So, you want repsect? learn to give it first. Remember the domestics where here first, they where hopping up American cars back when they where still pedaling bikes in japan.

Originally posted by jay@af
Maybe it's just where I live, but 75% of the V6 mustangs already have different/custom hoods, bumpers, spoilers, emblems, etc. (which are not always complimentary to the overall car. :rolleyes: ) They all still look like Mustangs. I never said I woundn't be able to tell the difference, just that it wouldn't be enough of a difference.



Hmmm sounds like 90% of the civics around here. Under all that plastic and chrome pipes, theres still just a civic.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0

You know carnutt sometimes I forget that only you are allowed to flaunt a particular choice of car, while putting others down. My bad I will try to remember that. About the EVOIII, sounds like its going to be a sweet car, but remeber alot of people dont give a darn about mpg when they buy a car. I know thats hard to understand for a civic driver. I wonder what motivates people to buy exotic cars getting 8 mpg? I bet they think about mpg. Also, are you flaunting 4 doors as a selling point? What are they catering these cars to senoir citizens?

I was pointing out that the car NOT ONLY kicks ass, but is utilitarian as well. What? Did that hurt your feelings? JEEE-SUS.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0


Trust me, the only one looking bad is YOU. I show my respect, you ignore it. I have never seen the lack of respect that is generly shown to domestic cars by import drivers. Somwhere along the way they got off thinking there economy cars where king. Going down the street I have stock civics trying to race me, because they read somewhere that mustangs are slow and heavy, and that powerfull economy car will walk it.

Two things about this paragraph:

1) Thank you for helping me make my point about putting down other cars. How do you know they weren't provoking you because they loved your car and wanted to see what it could do? I've done it before.

2) What the hell do these morons have to do with me or anybody else in these forums? If you're so damned offended by these punks, then ignore them instead of proving that your car is faster? What? You don't want them thinking that they beat you huh? If it's such common sense that economy cars are slow...as your sarcasm makes a point of...why waste your gas? Oh wait...you don't street-race...you don't bite, right? Then why care? I could attribute the Camaro driver's action last Tuesday(I guess he got offended because I passed him on the freeway on CRUISE CONTROL at 85 and he was going 75...and he HAD to prove that he had the faster car by blasting to about 100MPH and cutting a van off) to domestic drivers being assholes with a need to prove they have enough testosterone...because they don't. You know what? I don't go to the Camaro board saying this shit. I mind my own damned business and even in my own forum, don't say anything about it...it's cool. That was just a random asshole that happened to drive a Camaro. I'm sure he would've done the same thing if he were driving a Honda or Mitsubishi.

Besides who cares?

I guess you do...

Originally posted by 94svt5.0

Its really kind of sad, I see it on the street, in the pages of sport compact magazines and particularly on this board. And people like you carnutt are partly to blame, at least for the atmosphere of this forum. So, you want repsect? learn to give it first. Remember the domestics where here first, they where hopping up American cars back when they where still pedaling bikes in japan.

If you wanna get technical about it, the car was invented by a certain Mr. Daimler, who happens to be from Germany. Uhm, if you take apart your CURRENT car, how many of your electronics do you think will have Japanese names? Also some of your car is assembled in Mexico...Don't talk about american cars, because your's isn't completely one. Just like the people in here with Accords have a car that's built in America themselves.

You must pretty desperate to resort to such rhetorics...:rolleyes:

:monkeypis :bathroom:

I'd say the biggest reason us domestics come here isnt because its honda, its because it has a racing fourm thats active.

Other than that....SVT, Carnut with alot of extra letters, lets both chill alright? Theres assholes in v-6 mustangs talking of how they can walk those slow [H] S2k's and theres civic punks saying they can walk on those boats known as cobras

You both cool people who know a hell of alot about cars, this isnt even about the race anymore, this is about two people trying to be right, but if both say the other is wrong, then noone is right.

SVT, you know I got your back, and Carrrnnnuuttt we talked and we cool now *I think? :toothless*, but I gotta tell you both i've seen good points outa both of you, SVT your outmatched here because theres alot of those civic punks here *not pointing any fingers* and alof of savy [H] owners.

I personally dont like the S2k...yes...its great that it was hand built....
same with NSX

Our Cobra R was I believe 90% hand built, just the same as the others. Engines hand built, pannels put on by hand, even the lug nuts tightened by hand.

These are all sweet machines, can we at least agree on that?

I'm exculding the lancer here because you can go on forever bringing up car after car to beat other cars, i'm just tryin to stop the hatin and maby create some peace before somethin bad happens, like carnutt having a heart attack :p or SVT gettin baned.

My 302 cents... :bandit:

Okay, Ill let it go, (even all those ignorant comments by carrnutt) had to add that.

94svt5.0 you are such an ass. It's you who is giving Mustang owners a bad name. You attitude is horrible.

We don't mind any domestics coming to talk in this forum, BUT YOU.

Go back to where you came from at sense you can't seem to play nice.

I don't know who you are trying to fool anyways. Everyone in the world knows that Mustangs are not the fastest car in the world so why are you even acting like it? Just like everyone knows that Honda's are not the fastest car in the world.

Your word is no longer good in this forum.

Originally posted by Fly Rice Racer
94svt5.0 you are such an ass. It's you who is giving Mustang owners a bad name. You attitude is horrible.

We don't mind any domestics coming to talk in this forum, BUT YOU.

Go back to where you came from at sense you can't seem to play nice.

I don't know who you are trying to fool anyways. Everyone in the world knows that Mustangs are not the fastest car in the world so why are you even acting like it? Just like everyone knows that Honda's are not the fastest car in the world.

Your word is no longer good in this forum.

My bad, didnt know you where the master of all. Actually, from now on YOUR word is not good in this forum:rolleyes: By the way, I have never stated mustangs are faster then all, stock to stock faster then a civic, yes, but duh! who dosent know that. There is always something faster, find where I said mustangs are the fastest thing out there, granted the 03 cobra is faster then alot of stuff.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
Our Cobra R was I believe 90% hand built, just the same as the others. Engines hand built, pannels put on by hand, even the lug nuts tightened by hand.

Ummmm, I hate to say it, but I PRAY that the lug nuts weren't tightened by hand. Then again, most of the Cobra R's were bought by collectors and won't see the road or track at all so maybe that does make sense.....:p:p:p

As to this stupid pissing contest between the domestic and import owners, both sides continue to instigate things. What it all boils down to is choice. You drive the vehicle because of your own personal preference and to talk down about someone else's choice is just plain stupid. You guys can go back and forth forever and neither side will ever budge, so why even bother? There is no need to respond to what I just said...just do it please. Thank you for your time.

inlightening
noble blood is within that one


but mustangs i still thing are terribly uggly. ive seen one that was so freaken tight.

silver GT with turbo exaust topless with some phat rims dropped perfectly.
that was an amazing site.
he squeeled second without even tryen i was like damn.

End this post then. We aren't even on topic anymore. This will force us to find some other racing stories.

Originally posted by Fly Rice Racer
End this post then. We aren't even on topic anymore. This will force us to find some other racing stories.


Why end it, unless your wanting the last word in.

Thats what its allllll about. getting the last word :rolleyes:



close it now. (hopes for last post):D

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Why end it, unless your wanting the last word in.

Grow up.

Ok moderator wait until 94svt5.0 posts another reply in this thread then close it. I wouldn't want it to be unfair to the baby to not get the last word in.

It's all yours 94svt5.0.

Okay here it goes. Honads suck hondas suck. :D All right moderator shut it down. Before I get clobbered for that, I do think hondas have there place, actually I have a 1991 honda civic as a second car.

a twin turbo setup for 17grand?


id kinda like to see a pic of that...

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Okay, Ill let it go, (even all those ignorant comments by carrnutt) had to add that.

If I am as ignorant as you seem to want to believe I am, I wouldn't even engage in a discussion with you and just straight ban you. If you REALLY want ignorant, I'll show you ignorant.

Besides, if I'm the ignorant one, why haven't you even come close to giving an intelligent reply to my posts?...besides calling out Honda and compact drivers as being ignorant themselves for trying to race you, and saying for them to shut-up and respect you for having an "American" car...

...THAT sounds pretty ignorant to me.

Do NOT resort to name calling if you can't face the names other people call you.

94svt5.0 you are acting like a punk. punks are most likley bitches in real life. so do everyone a favor and fuck off .

did you reopen this stupid thread its gone on wayyyyy long enough freaken close the shit pleaseeeeee

ok, carnuttt, your post was chill, you made a related comment to 94's post, but what the fuck with everyone elses shit jumpin on him?

This is why I despise alot of civic owners :rolleyes: They dont know shit about cars and are given a car by mommy and daddy, so they use their paychecks from McDonalds to put on 2 rims and a front air dam and a wing, both unpainted, neather one going with the curves of the car *ie boxy look with a smothe curve car*

This weekend, at the races

about 20 civics, done up like shit, horrable and made me gag, all claiming to run 11's and 10's etc on STOCK engines with cold air intake

Then, this amazing civic nice body mods, carbon fiber hood with wing, a -REAL-turbo you could hear spooling as he slowly rolled through, a well built engine with mass work done to it, beautiful interior, a color blue which made me just grin with envy, and lowered, but for performance, not style. He checked out my car, and complimented me, asked me what I ran, and complimented it etc, so think about that.
This guy got my respect, so did his civic.

I made a joke of slow civics to one guy, he made a joke of heavy ass domestics.

If you want to mess around just joke
if you want to talk shit USE FACTS....Carrnutt, your moderator, and your leader here *one of the two* USES FACTS, and wins arguments, or at least gets respect if nothing else.

All this "your a punk, your an ass" WELL GUESS WHAT? YOU ARE TOO BY SAYING THAT!

If hes such an ass, the mods will deal with him, by talking, or if nessary banning.

Me and Carrnutt had a talk, hence why I toned it down, I show respect for the fast hondas, the good looking hondas, and the econo hondas, each respectivly. And I show respect to carrnutt, because he showed me he knows his shit.

But this your a punk crap isnt cool, its high school bullshit, and it has no meaning other than showing you dont know shit about cars and have to resort to flinging mud.

so eather start using facts, or dont expect honda bashing to end, or domestic guys being assholes.

[quote]origionally by infernoAs to this stupid pissing contest between the domestic and import owners, both sides continue to instigate things. What it all boils down to is choice. You drive the vehicle because of your own personal preference and to talk down about someone else's choice is just plain stupid. You guys can go back and forth forever and neither side will ever budge, so why even bother? [quote]

READ THIS EVERYONE! This man speeks truth, LEARN FROM IT!

Mods, I ask you all to shut this down, its gone on long enough, and any and I mean ANY thread where your flock starts talking shit without facts, it might as well be post whoring, so please shut those threads down too, it has nothing to do with racing at that point and can easly be taken to OT so might as well not be here.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
ok, carnuttt, your post was chill, you made a related comment to 94's post, but what the fuck with everyone elses shit jumpin on him?

This is why I despise alot of civic owners :rolleyes: They dont know shit about cars and are given a car by mommy and daddy, so they use their paychecks from McDonalds to put on 2 rims and a front air dam and a wing, both unpainted, neather one going with the curves of the car *ie boxy look with a smothe curve car*

If you want to mess around just joke
if you want to talk shit USE FACTS

so eather start using facts, or dont expect honda bashing to end, or domestic guys being assholes.

Everyone is jumpnig on him cause we are tired of his shit. And now you jump in and start stereotyping import owners. I thought you were better than that. I bought my car by myself, every piece of equipment that is be modified is being done by me, and it's all being done right with no cheaping out.

So you need to use facts and stop assuming that you know us.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
I am sure the NSX handles nice, but there just not that fast.
obviously you have never raced one?
Valvetrain 24-valve DOHC VTEC Compression Ratio of 10.2:1
Fuel and Induction System Programmed Fuel Injection (PGM-FI) with Variable Volume Induction System (VVIS)
Cylinder Heads Aluminum alloy (light weight)
Connecting Rods Titanium alloy and reiforcement
Engine Type V-6
NSX 3.2: Aluminum alloy with fiber-reinforced metal (FRM) cylinder liners.
Horsepower @ rpm 3.2: 290 @ 7100
Bore and Stroke 3.2: 3.66 in. x 3.07 in.
Torque (lb.-ft. @ rpm) 3.2: 224 @ 5500
Redline NSX 3.2: 8000 rpm
Displacement 3.2: 3.2 liters (3179 cc)
arh arh agrh.......thats a car...... and it weighs in at about the same weight as a integra.
Even with an rsx type S with N2o I find this hard to believe, 220 hp plus an extra lets say (50 shot of N2o) and he's still gonna clobber you. Sometimes its just the driver. Evidently you can drive really really well!

I closed this thread once...I am about to close it again. If you open it again carrrnuttt, I will be forced to delete the whole thread. It seems that a few people need to get a dose of maturity....and not just the domestic visitors. Thread closed.....AGAIN.

Originally posted by inferno
I closed this thread once...I am about to close it again. If you open it again carrrnuttt, I will be forced to delete the whole thread. It seems that a few people need to get a dose of maturity....and not just the domestic visitors. Thread closed.....AGAIN.

I PM'd you right before I re-opened it as to my reason. Apparently you never got it.

Don't worry, it stays closed this time...

PM me if you have any questions.