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rapunzel
01-31-2007, 07:57 AM
The above vehicle left me stranded for about two hours before my husband could rescue me. We replaced the battery and all was well...for a week. My husband then replaced the alternator, pick up head and coil- the engine would turn over, but no spark. I did some on-line research and,thanks to your forum, discovered that the problem was the crank sensor. All was well when my husband replaced that...for 2 weeks. Now, it is back to not starting, acts like the battery is dead, will start with difficulty after being on the battery charger. My husband had to rescue me again last night and I am sure tired of being the damsel in distress; I don't think he's real happy about it either since it was about 20 degrees outside. Pleeease help!
Rapunzel

fredjacksonsan
01-31-2007, 08:26 AM
I'd suspect the battery cables are corroded; check them, if corroded then replace.

rapunzel
01-31-2007, 09:39 AM
I realized after I had put this in this am that I had omitted some vital info. My husband repalced the bateery cables with the alternator, etc.
The alternator gauge reads that is charging at slightly less than 14, unless I have the blower motor set on high. Then it reads about halfway between 14 and the lowe red zone. Any ideas?

fredjacksonsan
01-31-2007, 09:45 AM
I'm not the electronics guy (he'll be along shortly I think) but if the fan on high is dropping your voltage by that much, it would indicate the problem is there. I'd think that at that level, it's slowly draining your battery.

Try this as a temporary fix: when it's running, get the fan switch to a speed at which the voltage stays near to 14. It should keep running.

rapunzel
01-31-2007, 10:18 AM
Thank you for your reply fredjacksonsan. I have tried decreasing the fan to low once the interior is warm, it doesn't seem to make a whole lot of difference. I am very frustrated, I know my husband is, too. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

fredjacksonsan
01-31-2007, 10:46 AM
Welcome. Like I said though, I'm not the electronics guy so wouldn't know where to start.

I know it's cold out, but running it without the heat on will likely let the battery stay charged until it can be figured out.

rapunzel
01-31-2007, 11:34 AM
Could it be a starter? My husband thought maybe a cylanoid was bad on the starter, causing it to only turn over after the battery had been on the charger due to higher amperage.

fredjacksonsan
01-31-2007, 11:36 AM
I'd think that if it's the starter you wouldn't have had it running fine for a week. To me at least, it points to a slow drawdown on the battery from the fan switch.

rapunzel
01-31-2007, 12:11 PM
OK, I was talking with my husband. He pointed out that although the engine would not turnover, the other electrical components (headlights, radio, etc.) were fine. I have also noticed that the shifter indicators do not line up correctly. In addition to this, I have to hit the button on the shifter a couple of times after putting it into park to extract the keys from the ignition. Could the neutral/safety switch cause this? If so, why would the crazy thing start after being on the charger?

fredjacksonsan
01-31-2007, 01:09 PM
The NSS could be an issue, but I'd be more concerned with the fact you have to push the button on the shifter to get the keys out. THAT would cause the starter to not engage - if the shifter isn't all the way in park.

I had an older car that you had to hold in park in order to get it to start.

rapunzel
01-31-2007, 01:17 PM
I tried that-I even took it out of park and put it back in (more than once and no I did not slam it into park-but I thought about it!)). I just don't understand why the battery charger would make a difference. My husband is not convinced that is the problem, either.I did persuade my husband to take it to the parts store where we purchased the alternator. They said they can check both the alternator and the starter. Maybe we got a bad alternator(rebuilt with life time warranty). Who knows. I guess we'll go from there. In the mean time, I look forward to any input and will let you know what they found. My husband is usually pretty good at this stuff, but we have never owned a jeep before. Future ownership is looking rather bleak at this point.

rapunzel
01-31-2007, 06:02 PM
Well, the parts people said that the alternator is producing the correct amount of amperage. The problem is the regilator is not telling the alternator to kick it up a notch when the blower motor is on high, the headlights and wipers are on. OK-makes sense. Unfortunately, in this particular model the amperage output is externally regulated by a computer. So for a nifty $280(plus $70 core) hopefully this will be fixed. The part is supposed to be in tomorrow AM. Can anyone tell me where to find this part on the engine?

fredjacksonsan
01-31-2007, 08:37 PM
Sounds good, hopefully that will be the fix.

fredjacksonsan
01-31-2007, 08:57 PM
...and hang in there. These are good vehicles, just have some odd issues once and awhile.

QuietErp
02-03-2007, 04:43 PM
I have been having the same problem recently. I started by replacing the battery, checking cables, alternator etc.. I assumed I had a short in the truck but after measuring milliamps when the truck was off that was not the culprit. The one effective method has been slamming the drive selector into park. I thought this was silly but after seeing this post i'm not so sure and I will explore the NSS theory.

AlohaBra
02-03-2007, 07:56 PM
Auto Zone has these diagrams:
http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?ForwardPage=/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/15/3e/8f/0900823d80153e8f.jsp

Try diagram 41


If you don't have a digital multi-meter...DMM or DVOM for short...you can get one for less than $20 at Sears or parts store.
Battery voltage is very important...it must be over 12.5 volts...usually it is 12.6.
With the voltmeter make sure at least 12.0 are at the positve lead at the starter.
The NSS is important...did you try starting in N instead of P....
The test for a good battery when loaded can be done by measuring battery voltage when cranking and having all the headlights on. Pull the coil wire and ground it. Crank engine for 40 seconds (use your watch)...at no time should battery voltage go below 9.6 volts.
The ground side is just as important. Put the leads from the DVOM on like this: Negative (black) on the negative terminal or the battery and the positive (red) on the engine block or where the negative cable is attached (clean this spot by removing nut and using sandpaper). **There are several ground sites...one on the fender and a coulple below the coil*** When you have the DVOM leads on there crank the engine for about 10 seconds...voltage should not exceed .5 volts. This is called a voltage drop or the voltage that is lost in that section of wire.
A voltage drop test can be performed on the postive cable also. Red on postive terminal and black at starter. Again voltage not to exceed 1/2 volt.Enough for now...next is testing the ignition switch...and also the B+ or auto shut down relay (this has more to do with run than the starter). We'll discuss that if you get to that area.

AlohaBra
02-03-2007, 09:07 PM
I realized after I had put this in this am that I had omitted some vital info. My husband repalced the bateery cables with the alternator, etc.
The alternator gauge reads that is charging at slightly less than 14, unless I have the blower motor set on high. Then it reads about halfway between 14 and the lowe red zone. Any ideas?

Charging at about 13.8 volts is normal....when you have the blower on... the dash indicator reads low but not at the battery...it is a gage problem that is common but I wouldn't worry about it.

AlohaBra
02-03-2007, 09:11 PM
OK, I was talking with my husband. He pointed out that although the engine would not turnover, the other electrical components (headlights, radio, etc.) were fine. I have also noticed that the shifter indicators do not line up correctly. In addition to this, I have to hit the button on the shifter a couple of times after putting it into park to extract the keys from the ignition. Could the neutral/safety switch cause this? If so, why would the crazy thing start after being on the charger?

On the shifter indicator...that would be a linkage problem not an NSS problem which is attached directly to the transmission and is controlled by the linkage.

**but that does not means the NSS doesn't need service...search this forum or the web.....all Jeep Xjs will have this problem

QuietErp
02-04-2007, 04:24 PM
So much for the NSS theory, it did relieve some stress by slamming the gear selector:banghead: . I took the truck into Pep Boys today and they could not recreate the symptoms. They went ahead and replaced the starter / soloniod combo. (so far the battery has been replaced, alternator tested, regulator tested and now the starter combo replaced).

QuietErp
02-06-2007, 02:11 AM
My problem is solved!! Even though a jump could also make it start, the alternator / solenoid was the true culprit. One explanation could be that adding the extra batterty in parallel during a jump would overcome the increased load of faulty starter / solenoid. I think your truck is different than mine in that your Solenoid may be detatched from your starter. Good Luck.

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