Having been a "Z" fan for the last 25 years, I feel that this is Nissan's "put up or shut up" time with regard to its long-term buyers.:eek:

I owned an '89 240SX because it was a great sports car for the money. Its major flaw was the 2.4 litre, 140 h.p. four-banger that they used for the power plant. First gear was too tall to get underway as fast as a Mustang, Camaro or Prelude. That being said, at speed in the twisties, the 240SX handled better than anything else that was available at that time except for its big brother the 300ZX. That being said, I've had four different Nissan products and have found them to be of excellent quality for a good price. I've never been stranded by a Nissan vehicle!:p

Now that I've arrived at the stage of life where I can finally afford a "Z" (I've figured out that middle aged guys buy sports cars because its the first time a fiscally responsible adult can afford to...), I find the Nissan's resurrected "Z" will be everything I'd dreamed it would be - more or less.:rolleyes:

First, the negatives:

:eek: The grill looks like a modified aftermarket pickup truck piece.
:confused: The multi-hued copper color is an abomination, the first copper "Z's" were butt-ugly too.
:apoke: The interior could use some calming-down with regard to colors used. It doesn't need to be Beemer black, but the two-tone seats and cheapo techno-plastic made to the color of titanium need to be re-thought. Its too boy-racer for the seriousness of this car's abilities.
:argue: Need slightly taller rubber on the stock wheel/tire combo. The first chuckhole is gonna destroy a very expensive wheel and slightly-less-expensive tire. It shouldn't affect handling too much to stay in the 45-50 series range tire size.

Now the positives:

:D The body shape is most excellent! Pro-forma "Z" from time immemorial.
;) Rear-wheel drive...just like a sports car should be!
:p More high-tech goodies under the hood and on the greasy side than anybody else on this planet for the price. Wonderful combination of high power V6 (unblown, thank God), 6 speed manual, independent suspension all-the-way around, huge brakes with standard ABS, all the goodies...
:angel: The price!!! Its actually gonna be affordable!!

What to watch out for:

:monkeypis Salesmen who don't know jack about this car, even when it arrives.
:zx11pisse Nissan dealers who are gonna charge way-the-heck more than list price in the beginning. (Personally, I think we ought to post the gougers on NISSANZ.NET as dealerships to avoid.)
:flipa: Watch what NISSAN CORPORATION actually does. If they are pulling the old Daimler/Chrysler trick of limited production cars in certain models to drag people into the showroom. Just remember the $40K Viper, $30K Prowler, and $16K PT Cruiser. NOT!!!! If Nissan jerks us around this time by limiting production and lowering availability of the "Z", then they get what they deserve (i.e. - to go out of business due to lack of business).
:shocked: Content (putting less into the car than originally promised) or Quality Problems (usually Nissan makes an excellent product, but will they cut corners for production?) The switch to scissor-beam axle on Maximas in their third generation models from the formerly four wheel independent suspension on generation two Maximas comes to mind.

Overall:

:wave: I'll be more than happy when Nissan finally rolls new "Zs" onto transports and they arrive at the dealers. What happens after that - only time will tell.

Please feel free to comment on my thoughts. Do you agree? Disagree? Have other thoughts about the new "Z"?

Originally posted by dalestewart
:zx11pisse Nissan dealers who are gonna charge way-the-heck more than list price in the beginning. (Personally, I think we ought to post the gougers on NISSANZ.NET as dealerships to avoid.)
I like this idea a lot. You also get an A+ for your use of smileys! :D

Personally, I'm not thrilled with the new Z, but I'm all for it doing well for the sports car market's sake. :) I just want a Silvia... ;)

Wuts the deal with "V8 option"? :huh: its a friggen import. While the Q45's V8 is very nice, i'd much rather have a Turbo or TwinTurbo 350Z

Ditto that. I'd like to see a turbo option.

Great post. I'd like to see a twin turbo version of the 350Z.

Originally posted by NissanZ@af
Great post. I'd like to see a twin turbo version of the 350Z.

:ylsuper

they have to make a 350Z TT.. that would be sweet
plus they had it on the last Z so why not his one?

Originally posted by 3 double-0 ZX
Wuts the deal with "V8 option"? :huh: its a friggen import. While the Q45's V8 is very nice, i'd much rather have a Turbo or TwinTurbo 350Z Originally posted by Zzealous
Ditto that. I'd like to see a turbo option. Originally posted by NissanZ@af
Great post. I'd like to see a twin turbo version of the 350Z.
Originally posted by MaxRX7
Originally posted by NissanZ@af
Great post. I'd like to see a twin turbo version of the 350Z.

:ylsuperOriginally posted by gang$tarr
they have to make a 350Z TT.. that would be sweet
plus they had it on the last Z so why not his one? Turbo option added by popular demand. :D

:toothless

Originally posted by jay@af

Turbo option added by popular demand. :D

jay i didn't know you worked for Nissan now :D

Originally posted by gang$tarr
jay i didn't know you worked for Nissan now :D LOL!

"...to the poll."

Originally posted by jay@af
LOL!

"...to the poll."

well now we've used up our choice

i would have picked the turbo :mad:

:p theres so much to change on that car, i don't think you could ever have enough votes...

Originally posted by 3 double-0 ZX
:p theres so much to change on that car, i don't think you could ever have enough votes...

haha LOL :D
i don't have enough votes, it's true :)

Originally posted by Zzealous
Ditto that. I'd like to see a turbo option.

couldnt agree more... :D

[SIZE=4][B]TURBO(s)!!!

turbo option def. a must for the new Z. i havent found any sites on the car, so if u could lemme know some, or update me id preciate, thanx for ur time. take care.

:D

i read somewhere that its gnna have a v6 turbo option. i think.. oh well it better!.. that or atleast a TT :D

Dudes,
Stop asking for so much. If there were a 350Z TT, its price will be like around $50K, but horsepower will be awesome though (should be around 450hp). Personally, I'm satisfied with the soon-to-come-out version. I ordered it a while ago.
Touring w/ 6-sp: side airbags; aero pkg; and DVD Nav.

:badass: :rocket: :flamer:

i think that's actually

http://www.350zforum.com

unless there are two different sites, and the one posted before is just down.

Originally posted by dalestewart
:eek: The grill looks like a modified aftermarket pickup truck piece.

Hopefully, a body kit will be available soon... something like this:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/781921350z.jpg

This is what I would do (if I had time). The side badge & door handles look out of place on a car so smooth... so off they come. The rear wheel fender needs more "beef", so that has been flared out & the rim offset increased. Perfecto! (The interior is perfect, so I would leave it alone.)

"Over & Out" for real this time...

Originally posted by DMC12


Hopefully, a body kit will be available soon... something like this:
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/781921350z.jpg

This is what I would do (if I had time). The side badge & door handles look out of place on a car so smooth... so off they come. The rear wheel fender needs more "beef", so that has been flared out & the rim offset increased. Perfecto! (The interior is perfect, so I would leave it alone.)

"Over & Out" for real this time...

That pic looks pretty good. Are the fender-wells in that pic really "beefed up" or are they stock? Stock fender-wells do flare out pretty good already. Anyway, the huge and square stock intake opening doesn't look very nice, but it rams air in much more than smaller ones in this picture. Instead of having black plastic, replace it with aluminum mesh grille and it'll look good. The square intake opening is taken from the Skyline GTR.
Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with the tiny things such as the side badge and door handles. They don't look out of place to me, but that's my opinion.

I like the square front air dam!!! Imagine it when I place a dazzeling crome Trust 4 core intercooler into it to keep my twin Garret turbines nice an cool.... OMFG it will be nice then....

Originally posted by Zzealous
Ditto that. I'd like to see a turbo option.

Yep, give me the twin turbo!

BTW, Nice Fairlady Z you have there.

There will not be a turbo option or at least I don't think so because the upgrade from the 350z will be the new skyline with 4.0 V8 400 Hp. If the 350z will be turbocharged it will be getting into the skylines turf and I think nissan will want to keep the fairlady weaker.

I really hope they don't give the new Z a V8...V8's are too domestic-ish. They HAVE to have a T/TT version. Not only is that the true Import thing to do, but it's a Z tradition. I just hope that when/if they offer a T/TT version, it isn't too much.

The V8 is Great! A twin turbo V8 will be even better!


Forget that... give me a NA-V8 and I will force the induction myself. 600-750 ponies EASY!:devil:


:monkeypis TURBO-V6:badass:

Originally posted by dalestewart

First, the negatives:

:confused: The multi-hued copper color is an abomination, the first copper "Z's" were butt-ugly too.

What?! I beg to differ. Le Mans Sunset is pretty much the only color it looks good in. Maybe the Brickyard Red. Have you seen the latest pics of the production car? It is gorgeous!


Now the positives:

:D The body shape is most excellent! Pro-forma "Z" from time immemorial.

What?! The body shape is almost ugly. It's giving me doubts and making me thinking that the Z32 body is the way to go. Maybe I should look for a good used one.
:)

I would almost rather they made the new Z a dohc inline 6 like the Skyline or the Supra, but a V-6 would work. Nothing like a pair of sequential hybrid ceramic ball bearing turbos spooling up propelling my little V-6 past most v-8s and v-10s on the road. Screw dealin with all the induction shit, blowers, carbs, supercharger pullys....bleh....too many moving parts. Spend a couple hundred on a good exaust, intake, and a boost controller and tell me what my rear licence plate says....I forgot.

Plus....I get to drive right past the gas station.....:flipa:

I hope that in the future they put turbo in the 350z :smoka: because why wouldn't you want it!!! :flipa:

Who the hell would want a v8 in a foreign car screw that!!!!:flipa: Twin Turbo is where it is at. The 350Z is not a Camaro or a Trans Am and you know what we are not going to see those anymore. Stick with the Turbo these cars will fly!:licker:

you obviously have never owned a "premium" import sports car from i.e. BMW, Porsche, Ferrari, or Lamborghini (to name a few). The V8 has LOADS of low-end torque and as far as a normally aspirated engine has been fitted into into some of the fastest production cars in the world- blowing away 6 banger turbos. For example- there was a period of time when the Porsche 928 (Porsche's Flagship car at the time) was the fasted production car Porsche made. As a N.A. aluminum block V8 - blowing away its brethren six cylinder turbo Porsche 930. For a while the V8 Porsche 928 broke and maintained the international landspeed record (driven by Al Holbert on August 7th, 1986) for a V8 car UNMODIFIED with cats (right off a showroom floor) at 171.110mph for the flying mile at the Bonneville Salt Flats. The six cylinder turbo struggled to get to that point. Now we see production six cylinder turbos exceeding 199mph however there are NA V8's able to accomplish the same thing. Turbo V8's have begun to exceed the 220mph point.

While those speeds are excessive for 99% of the planets driving population, that type of performance is required to effectively compete and win for the remaining 1% of the planet that drives competitively on a road course track or other (i.e. LeMans). Enter, the BMW V8 3 Series which was ban from the LeMans for the next 3-4 years becuase its introduction swept the LeMans in its class in 2001. The extra edge came from that V8 that absolutely roasted the 6 cylinder turbo Porsches winning races by as many as 8 (yes 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8- which appears to be the magic number here) in front of the closest competing 6 banger turbo Porsche. Obviously Porsche complained, and with good reason. In lieu of withdrawing from the LeMans, BMW was also given the option to resrtictor plate and weight their V8-3 Series car and simultameously compete in a class with V8 Vettes and V-10 Vipers.

So, as far as Nissan desires to compete with the slowest member of the Porsche family (the Boxster), if Nissan and Renault ever plan to step up the 350Z into a class of super cars of legendary performance a V8 will be required. Plans are already on the drawing board for a Possible Porsche 911/V8 and a return of the Porsche 928 (as the 980) to be built on the Cayenne platform in Lepzig. Rumor has it the the production twin turbo 928 version will be capable of as much as 750HP. With those kind of plans emerging from the the 350Z's competition Nissan/Renault will need to get ready. I for one would like to see a twin turbo V8 production car come from Nissan that will be more economical than the Porsche and Bimmer market. Nissan could consume and dominate a market that Corvette currently owns without challenge. I suspect that Nissan/Renault will work the value out of the VQ (Maxima) engine and potentially explore a 5.0 liter engine for the Skyline GTR (or 2005 Infinity GTR). The 6 clinder turbo option will be a baseline or entryb level performance option and the V8 will be for those with the desire to compete competitvely but will indeed be definately remain a special offering in the Infinity GTR line so as not to destroy the V6 heritage of the Z.

I myself preordered a 350Z Track (Red, of course) with hopes of aftermarket forced induction. I estimate the VQ engine can stabily be blown out to about 375-400HP and still be driven as a daily driver. So I won't have any issues with the todays M3 V6 on the track when I drive there from the office.

Regards and Happy Motoring,

Traq'n :ylsuper

You have way, way, way too much free time on your hands, my friend. Very informative, however. I want justifiable proof of the V8 911 rumors. Don't you find it funny how the only V8 that Porsche ever made was discontinued and the model that lasted the longest, not to mention being one of the fastest street legal cars, was the 911, a TTV6? Doesn't that tell you something? What this tells me is that, with today's technology, displacement is not neccessary. You can not argue against that. There are 4 cylinders that I've seen pushing 4000 hp! The same goal can be achieved, often cheaper and easier, with less cylinders, a TTV6, for instance, that can be achieved with a massive V8. And you don't have to worry about the horrid gas milage. I know that there will always be extrememly fast cars with huge engines, like the BMW's, Ferraris, etc, but they are so unGodly expensive. V6's are often more economical, so until I can afford going from gas station to gas station and buying the $100,000+ Ferraris, I'll stick to my TTV6's.



Besides....TT Z is a tradition!

All I am saying is that look at the 300zx and the supra they both were v6 and with twin turbo some can blow the doors off of alot of v8's. There are some Supras online that have beaten and r1 and a ferrari. So I am still sticking with having a v6 twin turbo.

Originally posted by longlivetheZ
Don't you find it funny how the only V8 that Porsche ever made was discontinued and the model that lasted the longest, not to mention being one of the fastest street legal cars, was the 911, a TTV6?

Take it from someone that has or currently owned both Porsche 928 and 911 that the Posrche 928 in all yeas of its production was the fastest production car Porsche made... my apologies, but you are pathetically incorret on that issue. It should not go without mention however, that although the Porsche 959 was a faster car and made on the 911 platform- the 959 shared most of its technology with the flagship super-car Porsche of the time... the 928 (with the exception of the all-wheel drive technology which ultimately evolved into the 911 Carrera 4). Alas, as far as Porsche 6 cylinder cars the 959 was NOT a production car.

The fact that the V8 Porsche's were discontinued had nothing to do with number of cylinders the car had, it was 100% an issue of front engine water cooling and for Porsche enthusiasts this was completely unacceptable, especially since Porsches original plan was to replace the aging 911's air-cooled flat six with the more fuel efficient, cleaner running, current technology built into the 928. This concept was a miserable failure for Porsche and the 928 ultimately failed but, not without Porsche salvaging the technology they learned with the 928 and placing into the 911 to make it a better flat-6. In fact, the new 10 cylinder Carrera GT (due in 2005) is the identical nikisil bores and engine introduced and made oringinally and exclusively in 1979 for the 928- plus 2 additional cylinders. The 911 did not get nikisil bores until 1995 in ithe 993, the same year the 928 was discontinued.

Say what you will about V8's but, I have owned three Z cars (1988, 1991, 1992 TT) also and I am in the zone to take delivery on a track edition in August so we obviously share similar tastes in the cars we like to drive. But I can call a spade a spade and I know one Porsche that will bite a twin turbo Z without fail and that is a 928 S4 or GT and if you ever run up against a 928 GTS or 1988 928 Club Sport in a Z-TT I would not even make to the attempt to screech my tires becuase it will be 1/4 mile down the road while my Z tires are still spinning at the light! (mild exaggeration but you get the point)

You should also know the the original car that the Nissan was chasing as as a model to fashion the Z's performance and style after was the Porsche 928S4.

Look, I am not here to sell you the virtues of V8 Porsche cars and V6TT Z cars, becuase you are already sold on something that may be somewhat distorted as it relates to the facts of a V8's and V6's. But I am relaying factual experience working from track and personal experiences in Nissan, Porsche V6TT'and, V8's. Bottom line is N.A. V8's have naturally more linear power and more rewarding acceleration behavior than forced induction engines (turbo lag is the pits) and V8's are almost always found in Super Cars- V6's are found in cars that aspire only aspire to just get close. Turbo's offer the V6 a chance and since Porsche was the first import car to deliver a turbo to the US market they have some experience that others do not in that technology (albiet all very close betwen all manufactures these days). You don't exactly even up the score when you force induct a V8 either- the V6 simply gets left waaaaay behind.

As for too much time on my hands...could it be possible that I spend my time driving cars like this professionally?:rolleyes:

Originally posted by TraqNmy350Z
The 6 clinder turbo option will be a baseline or entryb level performance option and the V8 will be for those with the desire to compete competitvely but will indeed be definately remain a special offering in the Infinity GTR line so as not to destroy the V6 heritage of the Z.

The real heritage of the Z is the I6 engine :D V6 was what it evolved into... I6 was what made it famous


Originally posted by danid7399
All I am saying is that look at the 300zx and the supra they both were v6 and with twin turbo some can blow the doors off of alot of v8's. There are some Supras online that have beaten and r1 and a ferrari. So I am still sticking with having a v6 twin turbo.

300zx is a V6... Supra is an I6, not a V6 :)

-Grendel

You type too damn much.

I've been around Porsches far more than any other car. The first car I ever drove was (one of) my Dad's 944s. He drove a 928 and said it was insanly fast, which I'm sure it is...it's German! Germans....Italians...they can do the whole V-8/V-10 thing....they're good at it. They can do what ever they want. Americans.....try but just suck. I can count on 2 hands how many domestic cars I'd flinch at. Japanese.....they do I4/I6/V6 T/TT's. That's what they seem to be really good at. I know for a fact that there are TTZ's out there that would mutilate the 928. The Z32 is very easy to modify. There are Z32's that will do 200 plus. They are both amazing cars. I'd rather have the Z though still cuz it's cheaper to buy and own. I'm sure that if/when Nissan gets into the V8 game, it will be one hell of an entrance.

You're up to 2 "prove it's" now.....V8 911 and V10 911.......

Originally posted by longlivetheZ
You type too damn much.

1- Americans.....try but just suck. I can count on 2 hands how many domestic cars I'd flinch at.


2- I know for a fact that there are TTZ's out there that would mutilate the 928. The Z32 is very easy to modify.


3- There are Z32's that will do 200 plus.


4- You're up to 2 "prove it's" now.....V8 911 and V10 911.......



I may be simply just challenging immaturity on this issue...this ain't your daddy's 944 (which is not a Porsche super-car by the way, it was an entry level car into Porsche experience).

1. The Corvette Z06 is an absolute monster of a machine, it is all of the following incredibles- fast; balanced; challenge; leap for American V8's; 408HP of unmodified production car that hard to touch for the money!

2 and 3. OK if you say so, but now you have a "prove it". The aerodynamics alone of the Z car simply don't put it in the 200mph car catagory. "UNMODIFIED or CAR MODIFICATION for CAR MODIFICATION (meaning if you did it to a Z car you must do the same to the 928) the Z car would simply be crushed by a Porsche 928, a Ferrari F40, or Corvette Z06. I am sorry I simply will not argue that point. You are mentally masturbating yourself :o :bloated: if you honestly believe that.

4. You would have to be in the absolute dark to not know that Porsche is creating a a V10 car...the Porsche Carrera GT (http://www.porsche.com/english/news/modelinformation/carreragt/default.htm)

It is however not a rear engined car it is mid engined making it a closer relative of the 914 or Boxster than the 911 with the 928 aluminum block and nickel silicon (nikisil) bore engine. As far as the V8-911 there has only been a few press release that leaked information about the possibility there has been no official announcement by Porsche. If you live in this world like I do you know learn little details of these things from insiders and various sources. You just have to know that Porsche new turbo V8 will not only host itself inside an SUV called the Cayenne. The same is true of a little V6 engine called the VQ which originally had a 222HP home in a car called the Maxima.

Originally posted by TraqNmy350Z

2 and 3. OK if you say so, but now you have a "prove it". The aerodynamics alone of the Z car simply don't put it in the 200mph car catagory. "UNMODIFIED or CAR MODIFICATION for CAR MODIFICATION (meaning if you did it to a Z car you must do the same to the 928) the Z car would simply be crushed by a Porsche 928, a Ferrari F40, or Corvette Z06. I am sorry I simply will not argue that point. You are mentally masturbating yourself :o :bloated: if you honestly believe that.


That's stupid saying that, look at the prices.

You can't compare a supra and Ferrari then say, whatever modifications you do to the supra you have to do to the Ferrari. First of all most modifications for Ferraris and exotics are custom made and cost LARGE amounts of money. For the price of an F40, you could buy 4 Supras and modify each one to destroy the F40.

If you modified each car equally, then great for $500,000 more you have a faster car :rolleyes:
It should be faster for the price.

It's unfair to modify a car from a lower class and a higher class equally than expect them to compete.

It also shows how much more potential the lower cars have, since for the same amount of money in mods you could make the Toyota faster than the Ferrari.... easily.

For $2-3k in mods on a Supra you're already 400+rwhp which is near 500hp at the crank. Can't say the same for the porsche.

Gang$tarr said a lot of what I was going to. Thanks. Saves me some time.

On top of what he said, I'd like to add the following:

I resent the fact that you have to add the remarks of immaturity and "daddy's" Porsche. A bit of a low blow demonstrating to me that you could be someone who's mostly just cocky and thinks he knows everything. If you want to argue, do NOT take personal shots.

I never claimed that the 944 was a super car. Far, far from it. When the 944 came out, it was one of (if not THE) best handling cars out at the time. That is why my dad bought it. Plus the fact that it wasn't extrememly expensive to buy and own.

Notice that I didn't say I hated ALL domestic cars. The Z06 is a car that I find very easy to look at, very impressive performance wise, and not too bad on the wallet. It is a Chevy, however, so I don't completely trust it as far as maintenance (I know I spelled that wrong) goes.

The Z32 is a very aerodynamic car. Probably even more so then the 928 due to it's lower, sleeker profile. http://www.z32.com/index2.html That car would probably mutilate most anything on the road.

No, I didn't hear about the V10 Porsche. I know about the Cayenne and the TTV8 that is going in it, as well.

"If you live in this world like I do you know learn little details of these things from insiders and various sources. You just have to know that Porsche new turbo V8 will not only host itself inside an SUV called the Cayenne. The same is true of a little V6 engine called the VQ which originally had a 222HP home in a car called the Maxima." That whole statement doesn't really make sense....fragments and the like.

And yes...I am well aware of the facts that the VQ, the engine going in the 350Z, is also in the Maxima and that the Cayenne is getting a V8/TTV8.

exceeding the 200MPH limit! I surfed all the open road record holders for speed in any given car way back to 1999. There has never been a recorded event anywhere of a 300ZX of any type ecxeeding the 200mph limit...period! I even went out to the Silver State Open Road races where some of the fastest cars in the world race for time (http://www.silverstateclassic.com/results-sept-99.htm) and the closest any Nissan came to competing in the unlimited (160mph plus) was a race prepped Nissan Skyline that blew-up 1/3rd of the through the race. There is however, Susan Kirby's GPS clocked 219mph record in her Porsche 928 (in the the Guiniess Book of world records for the fastest clocked time of any production Porsche), heck- her AVERAGE SPEED was 167MPH...AVERAGE! There is Rick Doria's record in his Corvette and a few others. The fastest Nissan 300ZX competed in the 135mph class. 84MPH SLOWER than the 928. By the way, Susan Kirby's 928S4 "the white car" is her "daily driver"!

Yep, I am a cocky and arrogent azz, in my world that's not an insult it's a compliment. I also live to race and love cars especially fast ones that handle really well. I am selective about what I drive and can drive just about anything I want too. I can also call a spade a spade, meaning I know the limits of the cars I race and I don't let my self believe that I can tweak a 300ZX or 350Z or Supra to the point that its on the edge and barely driveable, hardly reliable, and DNF a race ( like the Skyline in the link above), or overdrive the aerodynamics of the car. Speaking of which, there is absolutely NO WAY the aerodynamics of a Z would come close to that of a 928. Porsche put more than 10years of engineering into the aerodymanics of the 928 if Nissan put 2 years into the aerodymanics of the Z, that was alot.

Come on what exactly are you defending? Your talking to someone that races and drives both cars and understands the values of each. The Z car is a cheap thrill and if I crack it up or put it into the wall, I am not going to feel too bad. It's cheap and easy to boost the induction a bit and get some smok'n ponies out of it, but will it remain reliable for me after that? Not hardly! But, I if were really going to the track to race and compete hard with some endurance...Porsche my son, or Audi, maybe Bimmer M3 or if I had one a ZO6, or even a "Phone Booth" like the Subaru WRX but never,,, absolutley never a Z to compete hard. That's like taking a knife to a gun fight. If I want to beat up on Neons, Mazda's, and Honda's yes my cheap tool of choice is a Z.

Have you ever wondered why the Brembo four piston brake calipers appeared on the 928 in 1986 as standard equipment and why Nissan only got it for the 350Z Track in 2003? That's because the Z is only just now become comprable with the same level of performance of a 1986.5 Porsche 928, 18 YEARS LATER! Today, you can buy a 1986.5 Porsche 928S for under $18,000 and get the same levels of performance you would in a 350Z. If you dropped about $2500 into a 1986.5 928 by installing a supercharger you can make almost 400HP in that 18 yearold car with little effort and cash. For another 5K you could bore and stoke the same car and make nearly 500RWHP!

Come on get a grip. Argument Over!

Originally posted by TraqNmy350Z
exceeding the 200MPH limit! I surfed all the open road record holders for speed in any given car way back to 1999. There has never been a recorded event anywhere of a 300ZX of any type ecxeeding the 200mph limit...period!

Yep, I am a cocky and arrogent azz, in my world that's not an insult it's a compliment. I also live to race and love cars especially fast ones that handle really well. I am selective about what I drive and can drive just about anything I want too. I can also call a spade a spade, meaning I know the limits of the cars I race and I don't let my self believe that I can tweak a 300ZX or 350Z or Supra to the point that its on the edge and barely driveable, hardly reliable, and DNF a race ( like the Skyline in the link above), or overdrive the aerodynamics of the car. Speaking of which, there is absolutely NO WAY the aerodynamics of a Z would come close to that of a 928. Porsche put more than 10years of engineering into the aerodymanics of the 928 if Nissan put 2 years into the aerodymanics of the Z, that was alot.



Come on get a grip. Argument Over!

You don't know as much as you think you know.

The Akira Supra went around 260MPH at the salf flats, yes that's right. Faster than the top speed of a Mclaren F1.

And I've talked to several people with single turbo supras pushing 700rwhp, which they use as daily drivers. A 500hp supra is muuuuuuch more reliable than your godly :rolleyes: porsche. I'm sure there are loads of Supra owners who could destroy your car, so your gay attitude will be crushed easily. (AutoX or straightline)

"Yep, I am a cocky and arrogent azz, in my world that's not an insult it's a compliment."

^^ haha... that was just pure comedy. I'm starting to doubt he even drive a car, that sounds like something a 15 year old dreaming of cars would say. People with money don't just go out and tell everybody they have it. We most certainly don't say bullshit like that.

Maybe if you actually knew anything at all about Skylines you would also know that they hold the record for the fastest sports car time on the nurburgring. Beating Ferraris and other exotic cars that cost a hell of alot more. I think that pretty much says everything about the skylines handling.

no 300ZX over 200mph? I beg to differ, the fastest is the Jun auto 300ZX, with a top speed of 419.19kmh which is 262mph... quite a bit over 200 :)

Sorry to crush your ego, but you dont know that much about cars and you dont have that much money... so get over it

Yup...it's official....you win the "Cock Head of the Year" award in "my world". Not only can I "call a spade a spade", but I can also admit when I'm wrong.

I don't know WHAT you're talking about with a Skyline that blew up. Something must have gone horribly wrong because I have a video of a Skyline doing 205 mph in a tunnel and it was just fine.

gang$tarr and I have been trying to conduct a decent conversation with your ass for almost a week now......hell......maybe more.....and I am now out of denial....it IS impossible. You think you know everything and never admit that MAYBE....just MAYBE you might be wrong. You read one artical or hear one thing and assume that it is the same every time with every car no matter who modified it or who drove it. Despite the Z that I showed you, the Supra that $tarr is talking about, and the Skyline that I talk about in this post (witch you will probably find some problem with, anyway) you still feel the need to be a cocky shit. I am now unsubscribing from this post. Have fun, Gang$tarr...you rule.

Originally posted by TraqNmy350Z

But, I if were really going to the track to race and compete hard with some endurance...Porsche my son, or Audi, maybe Bimmer M3 or if I had one a ZO6, or even a "Phone Booth" like the Subaru WRX but never,,, absolutley never a Z to compete hard. That's like taking a knife to a gun fight. If I want to beat up on Neons, Mazda's, and Honda's yes my cheap tool of choice is a Z.


I forgot to mention that a twin turbo 300ZX would kill a WRX, and it's stupid to compare it to the cars you compared a Z too. Hmmm, a car that runs mid 13s 1/4 mile times stock, and you're saying better competition is Neons and Hondas! Which run mid 15s to 16s at their best.

Oh here look there's a comparison article from Car & Driver '93, comparing a Porsche 968, Vette LT1, Mitsubishi VR-4, Mazda RX-7, Nissan 300ZX TT, and Toyota Supra TT.

Oh well look at that, Porsche comes out second last while the 300ZX is second place, I wouldn't be so quick to put that car down.

it's also funny to me how I looked in his profile and his house isn't even big! lol He has a small house and he comes on here saying this
"Yep, I am a cocky and arrogent azz, in my world that's not an insult it's a compliment"

In your world? You live in the normal world! You have an ordinary house, nothin special!
Stop posin like you're rich, don't fake

:mad:
WTF is he talking about?! No record of 300ZX exeeding 200mph?! And how dare you compare these cars?! :mad:

For your information MY 300ZX has a top speed of 233MPH! And even at that speed it handles real well. Runs a near-flat 10 (10.2) in the 1/4 on good days, and mid 10's on ok days. :D

Just for the record my friend's 911 Carrera BROKE DOWN while we were racing each other 3 weeks ago. I had to stop and return to help him. I now his car is modified, though he won't tell me what he's running. He did a good job keeping up with me. :flipa:

As for the others, I HAVE smoked Z06's, WRX's (once), I don't even race Audi's (how could u!), a BMW M5 (the owner was left in tears), and A FERRARI 360 MODENA!. I kid you not. What I say here is completely true. Wether you believe it or not is your choice, but I have witnesses that can account for it... :finger:

I can expect the same abilities from the 350Z, with some mods :D. I rest my case...

:badass:

Originally posted by Nismo_350Z
:mad:
For your information MY 300ZX has a top speed of 233MPH! And even at that speed it handles real well. Runs a near-flat 10 (10.2) in the 1/4 on good days, and mid 10's on ok days. :D

Just for the record my friend's 911 Carrera BROKE DOWN while we were racing each other 3 weeks ago. I had to stop and return to help him. I now his car is modified, though he won't tell me what he's running. He did a good job keeping up with me. :flipa:

As for the others, I HAVE smoked Z06's, WRX's (once), I don't even race Audi's (how could u!), a BMW M5 (the owner was left in tears), and A FERRARI 360 MODENA!. I kid you not. What I say here is completely true. Wether you believe it or not is your choice, but I have witnesses that can account for it... :finger:

I can expect the same abilities from the 350Z, with some mods :D. I rest my case...

:badass:

233mph?! and 10.2s 1/4 mile that's one hell of a 300ZX.
What's the trap time for your 1/4?
That's kind of hard to believe though, do you have any pictures of your car?

Or perhaps a mod list?
That would take quite a bit of work to get that 1/4

But if you do run that time, you can pretty much kill any car on the road, you must have had that Modena by bus lengths, I think they run mid 12s stock.

Personally, I think there should be a simple V6 Version for those who buy them for pose value and then a 2.0 4-Cylinder Single-Turbo (A massive turbo at that) Option for those who are serious about thier car :D :frog:

Originally posted by Moss1O6GTi
Personally, I think there should be a simple V6 Version for those who buy them for pose value and then a 2.0 4-Cylinder Single-Turbo (A massive turbo at that) Option for those who are serious about thier car :D :frog:

Or an RB26 powered version :bandit:

It would be way cool if Nissan was just lying saying it would be a V6, then it comes out with a Skyline engine under the hood...:)

-Grendel

Originally posted by Grendel


Or an RB26 powered version :bandit:

It would be way cool if Nissan was just lying saying it would be a V6, then it comes out with a Skyline engine under the hood...:)

-Grendel

Well we could all dream :)

What I'd like to see Nissan add is lightness. IIRC, the 350Z is around 3100 lbs., which is far too much IMHO. If they could get it (or a performance version) down to 2500, there would be no need for a turbo, bigger engine, or anything else.

The only mod that improves every performance trait of a car is sending the car off to the fat farm.

I personally need it to be kinda inexpensive so that I can afford one, but at the same time, it would be pretty damn sweet to see them come out with a turbo version. It's already hella fast, adding turbos would put the Z in corvette territory.

"put the Z in corvette territory"

Uh are we trying to improve the Z or put it in the mid life crisis mode?:bloated:

fuck you bitch, i meant in terms of speed

Gee thanks for the offer sweetheart but your not my type:rolleyes:

Whether you meant speed, look, etc. it don't matter. The corvette is the car of choice for a mid life crisis. Same way the G35 Coupe is a "mature" Z. Both are basically the same car with a different skin. You want a fast track car that can eat up the road go for the Z, you want a fast road car that can carry more go for the G35 Coupe.

You want a fast car that goes in a straight line then the corvette is for you.

Sad but true that the corvette is not the young mans affordable sports car that it once used to be.:(

Also if you want a vette you can find many under $30K and you are free to spend a small amount of money to get the speed you want.

Originally posted by R35

You want a fast car that goes in a straight line then the corvette is for you.


From what I heard the Z06 has superb handling... like almost 1 G on the skidpad i think

Originally posted by Nismo_350Z
MY 300ZX has a top speed of 233MPH! And even at that speed it handles real well. Runs a near-flat 10 (10.2) in the 1/4 on good days, and mid 10's on ok days. :D

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, DUDE YOU ARE FUGGIN TRIPP'N YOU YOU KNOW FULL WELL THAT IS A BOLD FACED LIBERAL DEMOCRAT LIE! YOU ARE NOT TRY'N VERY HARD TO MAKE AN COMPLETE AZZ OF YOUR SELF WITH STATEMENTS LIKE THAT. YOU PROBABLY HAVE NOT EVEN GOT THE HEUVOS TO PUSH THAT TUB OF YOURS OVER 150. THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WITH THE NUTS TO EVEN PASS 200MPH IS A RARE BREED! FOR EVERY MILE FASTER THAT YOU PUSH THE CAR OVER 200 IF FEELS LIKE YOU DRIVING TWICE THE SPEED.

YOU GOTTA PROVE THAT (AN I'D BET $10 TO A DONUT YOU CAN'T) :flipa: ! 233MPH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

I SHOWED YOUR POST TO A FEW FRIENDS OF MINE THAT ARE TIME OFFICIALS AT BSF (THATS BOONEVILLE SALT FLATS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO PROFESS 233MPH IN A 300Z AND NEVER PROVED IT ANYWHERE BUT ON A PLAY STATION II) THEY ALL CRACKED UP LAUGHING SO HARD THEY ALMOST HAD CORONARY HEART ATTACKS.


GET A JOB, A LIFE, AND SOME REAL PROOF!!! YOU FRIGGIN POGE!

Originally posted by gang$tarr


From what I heard the Z06 has superb handling... like almost 1 G on the skidpad i think

True that Gstar- I have raced against Z06's on a road course and they are now very quick in the twisties. Straight line they are awesome and in the turns very fast. Corvette has come a very long way from the sloppy $2 whore it was in the turns in the past.

From what I've been reading Mr. TraqNmy350Z has a problem!

The stock 300hp 300ZX TT is limited to 155mph with out the the limiter a stock 300ZX TT tops out at 170mph. The 450hp 300ZX GTZ also hits the 180mph mark. The 1993 Trust 550hp 300ZX clocked out at 203mph, 0-60 in 3.sec and 1/4 mile in 9.7sec.
You put it together! The 300ZX can more then reach horse power figures of 800hp...

the latest numbers show the corvette at .88g on the skid.

All say and done , should be a TT option, if no sooner or later somebody is going to drop a turbo on it. 350Z TT, will eat any car on the street.:bloated:

Originally posted by Nismo_350Z
:mad:
WTF is he talking about?! No record of 300ZX exeeding 200mph?! And how dare you compare these cars?! :mad:

For your information MY 300ZX has a top speed of 233MPH! And even at that speed it handles real well. Runs a near-flat 10 (10.2) in the 1/4 on good days, and mid 10's on ok days. :D

Just for the record my friend's 911 Carrera BROKE DOWN while we were racing each other 3 weeks ago. I had to stop and return to help him. I now his car is modified, though he won't tell me what he's running. He did a good job keeping up with me. :flipa:

As for the others, I HAVE smoked Z06's, WRX's (once), I don't even race Audi's (how could u!), a BMW M5 (the owner was left in tears), and A FERRARI 360 MODENA!. I kid you not. What I say here is completely true. Wether you believe it or not is your choice, but I have witnesses that can account for it... :finger:

I can expect the same abilities from the 350Z, with some mods :D. I rest my case...

:badass:


hahah.....i think you are right man, my scooter go 200mph once so i believe your 300zx go 233mph....heheh ...lol this is so funny. Maybe one day i i will mod my bicycle and run at 300 mph.

For your information MY 300ZX has a top speed of 233MPH! And even at that speed it handles real well. Runs a near-flat 10 (10.2) in the 1/4 on good days, and mid 10's on ok days.

You must mean 233KPH, certainly not MPH. I would like to have a list of modifications; because I know the 1994 300ZTT I used to own would not accelerate very quickly after about 130. In order to create the type of horsepower needed for that you would need about $30,000 in engine mods. You would need two of the biggest turbo chargers on the market and nitrous to prevent the big turbos from lagging below 3000 RPM.

Gentlemen and Ladies of th e350Z Forum,

As the originator of this thread let me thank the many thousands who have read this thread. I am awed at the interest in the new 350Z. When I originally penned my comments, all we could call it was the "Z" because we didn't really know diddly about the final product.

I have been to the "mountain" and seen the "elephant." For those of you who aren't Louis L'Amour fans (Western novelist, awarded the Congressional Medal of Freedom), you need to expand your horizons by reading the Sackett series of books. Anyway, back to the 350Z. I have seen the new "Z." I have sat in it, driven it, and have carefully thought it through. Yesterday, I bought a Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS with a 5 speed manual gear box.

The 350Z is undersized, has a useless trunk, the interior is like a cave that you are squeezed into, the seating position is too low for the glass to start so high, and if you are broad-shouldered you can forget about driving it on long trips.:confused:

That isn't the half of it though - the friggin' dealerships are still treating these things like they are the Holy Grail and charging a $5,000 pack that they call "dealer prep" and "market adjustment." This is the same BS that I predicted in the beginning when the new "Z" was announced to go into production.:mad: :mad: :mad:

Well, Nissan, UP YOURS!!!:flipa: If you can't control your dealerships any better than that, then you don't get any of my hard-earned money!!!:flipa: Price gouging for a car is petty and short-sighted. You end up driving away (no pun intended) a valuable customer base. Nissan should remember that one pissed off customer is good for ten "no sales" to people within their sphere of influence. To do this to car guys who wanted to buy a 350Z is worse, because enthusiasts are usually consulted by many family members, friends and co-workers because of their knowledge and judgement. Don't think that I'm the only one that feels this way. I spoke to several folks at last week's auto show who were interested in the 350Z early on, only to find out about the price gouging and "bidding" process involved in purchasing the few available 350Zs.:mad: :rolleyes: :confused: :bloated: :finger: :eek: :finger: :mad: Nissan should react quickly to establish an ombudsman program for dealing with the 350Z gouging issue and punish unethical dealerships.

Even with the shortcomings of the car itself, I was still planning on buying it until I ran into this gouging problem. Not any more!:mad:

When I walked up to the Mitsubishi dealership on Friday, I was quickly greeted by a courteous and helpful salesman. He showed me around the Eclipse and we test drove three variations GT5M, GTS5M, and Spyder 4A. I went to another dealership, that didn't have what I wanted and got a price for what I wanted that could be there by Monday. Next I went to my credit union, where I used their car research area to educate myself on the Eclipse (reliability, resale, performance, prices, etc.) and made a call on insurance. I went back to the first dealershipand negotiated a price well below sticker. Like I said above, I brought it home yesterday.

The Mitsubishi Eclipse GTS has a 210HP, 3.0L V6 engine, is front wheel drive, and has options that aren't even available on the high-line 350Z. All this for less than the base 350Z.

Can I live without rear wheel drive? Yes. I'm not planning on entering any SCCA events or street racing (something just dumb as hell and deadly).

Can I live without the extra 77 HP? Yep! See answer above and refer
the insurance tables.

Can I use a car with a hatchback (though it doesn't look like one), a usable rear seat, and enough room inside not to get claustrophobic? YOU BET YOUR ASS I CAN!!:silly2:

Guys, have fun with your discussions as time killers, but don't take this S__T so seriously that you forget that the bottom line is that you want a car like this to have fun!

I'm over the fighting with Nissan and the bitching and moaning. I'm having fun in my GTS. :sun:

Later,

Dale

I totally feel you on the price gouging. But that dosen't mean the 350Z is crap. And that REALLY dosen't mean that your mitsubishi is better. Give me a call in 3 years and let me know how well that eclipse is running. The only reason people are buying those is cause Mitsubishi is giving them away for no $ down, no payments for a year. JMO but I still like the 350Z. I'm gonna wait a year or 2 yet though

Dude! I don't mean to be rude, but you are all up on this forum like you are God's gift to the Z. When in fact the Z is God's gift to us. How much could you possibly know, when you base all your knowledge of the sales of a Z on maybe one or two dealerships. Last time I checked there were thousands! I have checked out prices all around town here they are all pretty much the same, and they are all fairly reasonable! If you thought you were going to find one for the stated low price of $27,000, you should have used some real judgement. Real Z enthusiast's knew that no one would ever see that price unless maybe you work for the dealership.

You have a total of two posts on this forum!?! how can you be talking like you are the almighty, and we should all take your word? What you said earlier about the dealers not knowing much about the car is probably true, with the exception of a few. When I drove up to the dealer in my 95', I got out, and immediatly began speaking with someone about it. He then quickly figured out that I knew more about the car than he did. Which will bring the price down automatically! Because at that point the customer has control, and you own your own destiny. I know, I sold cars for a while, and I knew when some one knows more about the car than I did I knew I was screwed.

If you are pissed at the dealerships, and saying they are gouging people because you couldn't afford one that is wrong! Personaly when I went and spoke with the dealers, I can't afford one right now either. We worked some numbers, and he understood. It is a high end sports car! It is going to be expensive. If you haven't noticed this is the Z forum! Don't come on here bashing it. Real Z enthusiasts would never, and I mean never bash the car. There may be things they dislike, but never bash it. Opinons are like assholes, everybody has one! Now you should spend your time in the eclipse forum while listening to mainstream pop techno. Good Bye, and Good Luck!

Does anyone else feel like I do towards this guy?! I mean his name is DaleSterwart for Christ's sake. No offense, I enjoy the occasional NASCAR race, but come on don't put down the Z over a frikn' Eclipse I want to puke! :puke12:

Originally posted by DemonZX
Does anyone else feel like I do towards this guy?! I mean his name is DaleSterwart for Christ's sake. No offense, I enjoy the occasional NASCAR race, but come on don't put down the Z over a frikn' Eclipse I want to puke! :puke12:

I feel that way too... I hate it when those pro-mitsu/gm/ford/honda/etc. people come in here and tell me my cars suck. I would like to see a VR-4(heavy=slow) Z06(heavy=noturn) mustang(heavy=slow) S2000(rice;speed/money=not-worth-it) etc. go up against our a Skyline GT-R R34, 350Z, 300ZX TT and come out on top, sure there are a few, but upgrade both to the fullest and Nissan will come out on top either in performance or cost. If it is on top on one, it will be very close behind on the other. I don't go into the Honda forums and tell them their cars suck, I just do it here;) I mean, honestly, I read this entire thread. Look at how the Ferrari 355 and the 360 Modena have been beaten by lightly modified 300ZX TTs at less than half the cost. Same with Porsche 911T's, just not as easy with the 911. I know all car companies put their hard work and sweat and they all have a purpose, but in the land that I live in, Nissan Land, all (sports) cars are pretty well-rounded and competetive. Yes, they also have their purposes, but they all come out on top, especially of their classes. Think of cars that should outclass the Nissans HARDCORE and end up getting their <behinds> handed to them.

I don't exactly know what my point is here, but for reading the anti-Nissan banter for over an hour, I can't help but complain...

Anyway, the dude with the Maxima, the Isuzu and the brand new Eclipse GTS, have fun with your funky rave music and your robot-dancing chick... I'll have fun with you as a speck in my rear-view-mirror...

word!:D

See he gets it!

NISSAN

Originally posted by DemonZX
Does anyone else feel like I do towards this guy?! I mean his name is DaleSterwart for Christ's sake. No offense, I enjoy the occasional NASCAR race, but come on don't put down the Z over a frikn' Eclipse I want to puke! :puke12: hah yea same here anyway on the poll i thought the whole new 240sx type car idea was cool, im 14 and i want to be able to buy a nice car for not a lot of money that im not gonna kill myself in.

a tt option would definately grab all the consumers. but what i really want to know is on the 1/4 mile would you prefer a completely stock S2000 or a 350Z

350z's are way too much money for what they are..its a nice car, but in the wrong price range.. i looked at a track, which at the time they wanted 34,000.. they needed a grand to hold it for the waiting term of 6 months and then another grand down on top of that.. its retarded.. for 34k i can buy a 03 Cobra or even a beemer.. the performance is good but LT1's were making 285 horsepower back in the 90's.. thats just not up to date with performance standards of todays sports cars.. I'd pay 34k for a twin turbo'd Z.. that would make sence, but i'm not gonna pay 34k for a car that will get beat by everything on the road..low 14's are old school.. low 13's baby! 12's 11's..

I think if a TT 350z was released it would do really well in North America and won't really affect the skyline market because well there isnt one. Nissan is known for making fun cars and the 350z maybe fun now but with a TT itll be insane. The VQ35 is a very adreneline creating engine and if it had even a single turbo that would be even more adreneline rushing. The 350z already has alot of power but it doesnt really cut it, 0-60 in 5.6seconds is a joke for sport cars now a days. Mercedes luxury cars go 0-60 in under 5 seconds. The times are good but a srt-4 shouldnt be able to beat a 350z and well it can. Nissan better do something before people start looking elsewhere for a sports car. The new 2005 corvette will blow the doors off a 350z. Imports are supposed to have smaller displacements then domestics but be competitive. Nissan better turbo that Sh't, dont even think of making a v8 nissan turbo is the only way. Nissan should look at there past cars and how people still want them today, the 240sx is a very demanded car today and the same goes for the 300zx tt.

350z's are way too much money for what they are..its a nice car, but in the wrong price range.. i looked at a track, which at the time they wanted 34,000.. they needed a grand to hold it for the waiting term of 6 months and then another grand down on top of that.. its retarded.. for 34k i can buy a 03 Cobra or even a beemer.. the performance is good but LT1's were making 285 horsepower back in the 90's.. thats just not up to date with performance standards of todays sports cars.. I'd pay 34k for a twin turbo'd Z.. that would make sence, but i'm not gonna pay 34k for a car that will get beat by everything on the road..low 14's are old school.. low 13's baby! 12's 11's..You fucking moron. The Z has a 26,500 base price and handles like a Porsche. LOL.

porsche my ass you ignorant cock licker lol couldn't let you get away with that:) anyways sure it handles good but i wouldn't go as far as a porsche.. maybe an 80's model porsche.. it handles kinda average.. it's not that fast so its easy to drive something slow fast.. I own an 04 civic, it handles good for its slow speed, does that mean it handles like a porsche? no. Now which porsche did you have in mind that you were comparing a 350Z to?

Furthermore, i must say i'm dissapointed in the straight line performance of the 350Z.. At the track this past weekend i kept my eye on one and was keeping track of what it was running.. Now i dunno what the deal was with this car, but it was damn slow.. first pass i caught he ran 16.01, second pass i witnessed was a second faster at 15.00 and he didn't do better than that the entire day.. Now you can blame it on poor traction, but i myself managed a 13.4 with bald nitto non drag radials.. it just looked like a snale going down the track too. like it was guttless.

it's funny how you praise the car for its performance at such a cheap price cause our thoughts were it performed pretty poorly for how much it cost.. 15 flat out of a track model 350Z thats 15 flat for 34K.. not impressed!


Think about how much more car you could get for 34K..

04 Cobra 12second quarter mile and great weight distribution(unbais opinion)

RX8 slightly cheaper and at least runs 14.8 lol

S2000 same price tag, much better car in my opinion than a 350Z

Shit, if you were smart you'd get a slightly used Z06

GTO low 14 second car that handles just as good if not better and you could pick one up for 33K

Here i got this from Car and driver:

COUNTERPOINT

At less than 27 grand, the 350Z is a helluva car. At $35,000, I'm thinking I'd rather beg a Chevy dealer to cut me a sweetheart deal on a Vette. I should be gaga for this thing, but I'm not. Perhaps because the expectation of brilliance isn't quite realized. The rear flanks are gorgeous, but the rectangular backup-light cluster and the front grille don't fit, and an aggressive rev limiter steps in abruptly if one strays over the redline. The handling is crisp at turn-in, but then the Z resolutely plows the front end, forgoing any notion of an agile, tossable car. Some sedans are better balanced. I expect more from a sports car. — Larry Webster
Car and driver site that this paragraph is on (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=39&article_id=1858&page_number=3)

The track model Z has seen 13.6 quarters, stock- with a non professional driver.

WTF!!
does it really matter...so it may not be the best car....it may not be the fastest...it may not handle like something....so get over it...dont come in and bash the car...go to a different thread and do that shit somewhere else

it's funny how you praise the car for its performance at such a cheap price cause our thoughts were it performed pretty poorly for how much it cost.. 15 flat out of a track model 350Z thats 15 flat for 34K.. not impressed!


Think about how much more car you could get for 34K..

04 Cobra 12second quarter mile and great weight distribution(unbais opinion)

RX8 slightly cheaper and at least runs 14.8 lol

S2000 same price tag, much better car in my opinion than a 350Z

Shit, if you were smart you'd get a slightly used Z06

GTO low 14 second car that handles just as good if not better and you could pick one up for 33K

RX8 - 238 hp with 3100 lbs with least popular options. Start $27K
S2000 - 240hp with 2830 lbs. Start - $33K
350Z Track - 287 hp with 3225 lbs. Start - $26.5K

RX-8 feels less torquey, while 350Z has in your face stylings that some people may not like.

Now you do the math. Don't believe everything Motor Trend says about 1/4 miles written in stones.

Now honestly, I don't know :wtf: is going on, but even with less hp, the lighter weight should pull through. Well here, 350Z falls in the middle, but with plenty more horsepower.

When 300ZX (Z32) was first introduced in 1990, not only beat Corvette in the tracks back then, but it was one of the best sports car for 4-5 consecutive years. The handling is still superb even to this day.

I like corvettes; but, I have issues with Mustangs' usual maintenance, and engine and parts longevity. How shall I say... unreliable!

So with a little research, you can have your facts straight before making a statement based on assumptions and "assertions" of magazines.

Now I'd tell you nicely to go back to the musclehead forums and keep your 1/4 mile dribbles there, but you sir, are a pony fan! So doesn't come as a surprise. Btw, it's "unbiased opinion." Those who have owned the past Zs, will know there's only a few cars like it in the streets. Ferraris have the same effect. I can't say that about 350Z not having owned one, but looking how much gross money Nissan is profitting, I'd say their marketing department has done a marvellous job compared to 300ZX, S2000 (though it is limited to personal preference), and certainly the RX8. RX8 - talk about a 4 door sports car??

And with the new 350Z roadsters, can you say sunny-side up?

And as for getting the new Eclipse, your usual regular ricer people opted for 95-98, just for better aerodynamics, reliability, and performance. Anyone remember the sale pitch for the new Eclipse in 2 Fast 2 Furious? :rofl: I can understand the reason behind the EVO since it was getting introduced, but Eclipse... :eek7:

what the fuck is this thread about?

:gives:

how did this thread get bumped back up to the top after 2 months of death???

From the looks of it someone who hasn't been bothered to read the whole thread, let alone the title

samhain...if you read this will you please delete it if you have the authority. its friggin 3 years old. its been brought back up several times because people are voting on it without posting.