The Jetta has finally been dynoed and let me tell you I am very happy with the results, not happy about the place I got it dynode at or how it got the numbers as I will explain here.

The place I went to specializes in SRT-4’s and Hondas, and when I say specializes I mean cheats for them. They raise up the numbers for those cars and lowers the numbers for everyone else to make the frequent customers happy. I was warned about them by musashi before I had gone (BTW as far as I know, me and him are okay now) and then I was told by one tech that they always have a hard time getting accurate readings for the 1.8t’s (So much BS btw).

There was another 1.8t there and the last time he had gotten his car dynoed he came at 230 something whp and 240something wtq and this time he got 186whp and 210 wtq and he was like WTF? After he went on there was a brand new STOCK Civic SI and it came at 197 whp and again the other 1.8 guy and me were like WTF? They have that number at the fly, not at the wheels.

When I put my car up there it dynoed at 178.12 whp and 178.23 wtq and I was saying that isn’t right, that is pretty much stock numbers, then the tech was trying to make me feel better cause I was pissed off at what was going on and so was the other guy and then he told us what was going on and told us our real numbers. It turned out that they had a pre loaded programming file for 1.8t’s that shows a lot less power than what we get. The curve would be exactly the same as what we got but the numbers would be higher. The other guy with the 1.8t dynoed at 239whp and 253wtq and mine came at 228.12 whp and 228.23 wtq. So I am happy with that, but that is the last time I am going there for dyno’s.


the pics are a little hard to see, im gonna try to get better ones later.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b262/_dude_u_weirdo/kris%20pictures/dyno_edited.jpg
this is the first one, I wanted to see the A/F's cause I thought I was running lean, turns out I was running rich just as if it was stock.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b262/_dude_u_weirdo/kris%20pictures/dyno2_edited.jpg this is another run

I'm no scientist, but nothing sounds right about any of that....to much b.s. coming from the place you got dynoed at...

I'm no scientist, but nothing sounds right about any of that....to much b.s. coming from the place you got dynoed at...


exacto mundo, which is why I believe the tech who was actually honest with us instead of the guy who was running the dyno, trust me that is definately the last time im going there. Not worth it unless I buy a SRT-4 and need an ego booster

exacto mundo, which is why I believe the tech who was actually honest with us instead of the guy who was running the dyno, trust me that is definately the last time im going there. Not worth it unless I buy a SRT-4 and need an ego booster

lmao so you choose to believe the high numbers opposed to the low numbers because a tech that works for the company that is ripping you off told you so? So as far as you know, that tech did exactly what they have been doing to all the srt4 guys to you. Told you a higher number to make you happy. Why did you even bother putting those dyno numbers in your sig, i doubt anyone on these forums will believe them.

And you actually paid for this dyno?

lmao so you choose to believe the high numbers opposed to the low numbers because a tech that works for the company that is ripping you off told you so? So as far as you know, that tech did exactly what they have been doing to all the srt4 guys to you. Told you a higher number to make you happy. Why did you even bother putting those dyno numbers in your sig, i doubt anyone on these forums will believe them.

And you actually paid for this dyno?

I believed him because it was a different tech and he gave the other guy with the 1.8t pretty close to what he got before. As far as paying for it, I paid 40 for 3 runs so it wasnt too bad. But I might as well have been on a mustang dyno cause that was just a rediculous day. There was a 6.0 GTO there that got a little less than 310 whp and they are rated at a little over 330whp. there was also a Mazda protoge5 wagon that had only a CAI that got 145whp, which I highly doubt since stock the have 130 at the fly. I figured that really dislike euro cars and a few others like the GTO.

Sounds like you will only believe what you want to hear. I am not saying those numbers are not right, but you think they are because its a number that pleases you. My diagnosis is that you waisted 40 dollars and your Jetta needs to be humbled somewhere trustworthy...

Re-Dyno elsewhere. Only way to be sure.

I would be the first one in line to get a couple new pulls at two other shops.
Then expose that bullshit to local forums.

Sounds like you will only believe what you want to hear. I am not saying those numbers are not right, but you think they are because its a number that pleases you. My diagnosis is that you waisted 40 dollars and your Jetta needs to be humbled somewhere trustworthy...

sure so all things considered, say i revert the car to stock then your saying im doing 50+ horses less than stock.....right....especially when i got a significant amount over what stock 1.8t's get at there shop. So yeah I only hear what I want. Also considering I am getting about 50 more horses over stock when you do the math it comes out to the 228 since stock 1.8t's get an average of 170whp if they are of 2002+. I am going to get the car re-dynoed but not now since I dont have the resources to do so at the moment. If I need some work done then yeah I will get the dyno done again, but for now this is what I have. If you dont believe me that's fine, I havent had a reason to lie about it and if you wouldve been able to see what was going on you wouldnt be doubting me right now you'd actually be laughing with me about how rediculous some of those numbers were that those other cars were putting down.

I would be the first one in line to get a couple new pulls at two other shops.
Then expose that bullshit to local forums.

I dont think that would hurt their sales or customers in anyway since the 1.8t guys avoid that place (now I know why)

and i put this mainly cause i wanted to know what you guys thought of the shop but i guess it's more like what you think of me right?

I dont think that would hurt their sales or customers in anyway since the 1.8t guys avoid that place (now I know why)

and i put this mainly cause i wanted to know what you guys thought of the shop but i guess it's more like what you think of me right?

Well, they dynoed your car the first time, and it was making lower wheel numbers than it would stock. So then they redynoed it, and you put down 50 over stock. Therefore, you must be lying, lol.

I'll accept those second numbers, they seem legit to me. I mean, its not like your dynoing 600 at the wheels or anything, its fifty over stock. So, good numbers. I would say get it redynoed again just to make sure, but I don't think that your only hearing what you want when you say that eight over stock must be wrong, based on what others get from their similar mods.

So they are a car specific shop?
More than just a dyno shop then?

Shouldn't matter what I think of you (don't know ya anyways:lol:), that shop has some jacked up practices.

Well, they dynoed your car the first time, and it was making lower wheel numbers than it would stock. So then they redynoed it, and you put down 50 over stock. Therefore, you must be lying, lol.

I'll accept those second numbers, they seem legit to me. I mean, its not like your dynoing 600 at the wheels or anything, its fifty over stock. So, good numbers. I would say get it redynoed again just to make sure, but I don't think that your only hearing what you want when you say that eight over stock must be wrong, based on what others get from their similar mods.

thank you for understanding where I'm coming from, I was also basing it off of what the guy before me had gotten and he got only about 15 or so more horses than stock whe he was boosting 22 pounds with a full turbo back 3 inch exhaust and I was only boosting 15 that day cause I didnt want to overboost by accident, that wouldve really sucked.

I wouldn't believe any numbers from that place. You can't haggle horsepower from a car. Sounds like a waste of 40 bucks because you really got nothing out of it.

I wouldn't believe any numbers from that place. You can't haggle horsepower from a car. Sounds like a waste of 40 bucks because you really got nothing out of it.

Yes he did. Check his sig. Thats what his car is puttin down.

Yes he did. Check his sig. Thats what his car is puttin down.

Haha yeah i guess so, but lets take it easy on him we are all friends here.

wow, that sucks to here about. Did you know they did this stuff beforehand? if so, why did u go?

I would say that those numbers in your sig are probably accurate, but I would do it again at a different place to be sure

ok, well besides the fact that turbo cars can lose hp quite freaking quickly if you develop boost leaks, spark blowout, or any of another billion issues. If in fact it was a shady spot, why not call the better business bureau? I mean, they might not do anything, but at least get a formal complaint in, and then spread the word on forums. If a place is in fact that shady, they deserve to lose service. I'm not saying I believe or disbelieve anything. But I am saying, I've seen plenty of cars run less than they expected, plenty of cars run better than expected, plenty of stingy dynos, plenty of friendly dynos...if in fact you were getting ripped off, do something.

^Agreed.

This is why you need to ditch both the Jetta and the 8 and get the 335i. XEDE alone will put you around 330 on 91 octane.

That shop is known for giving thier SRT-4s overly high dyno numbers and outsiders who dont get tunned their and just go in for dyno days overly low numbers.

This is how they attract thier customers. they have 2 dyno days a month and get all the kids to go check it out. first they throw a few of thier in house SRT-4s on and show really high numbers to get the kids hyped. then they run a couple of newbies who have never coughed up any $$$ before except for the 40 bucks for dyno runs. they pull really low numbers.
Moral to the customer: if you let us tune your cars you will run higher dyno number then anyone else.
truth of the matter: they cheep to get people to cough up money.

as for Gotian's numbers I say run it at the shop I got the GTO tunned. you remember where it is right? those guys do all sorts of cars and have steady business so they got no reason to fool you.

Also bro why not write this up on SouthFloridaRacing? Im sure if Lujan gets word of this they'll shit thier pants. me and the SSP crew will back you up!

What some dude guestimates what your car would do, due to a preload program sounds like kaka to me. Sounds to me like your car is making 180whp, or whatever, and the dude is trying to make you feel better. To be honest, your car wouldn't be trapping where it is if you really did have 220+whp in your jetta. You'd be looking at a 99-100mph trap speed in the 1/4 mile with that light of a chassis.

I'm astounded by the numbers of the Civic Si. I doubt it has alot of power throughout the curve though.

Try not to pay too much attention to what you are dynoing at anyways. What you run is what is the most important (On that note if my car doesn't run 12's in 2007 i'm going to shoot it :p ).

Yeah in all honesty you would be running very low 14's I would think if you had over 220 whp. Get it redyno'd.

What does he run at the track?

its basically uncertain. he ran a mid 14 i believe with very and i guess very poor track prep. mush in the gto ran a low 14 that day as well, so there really isnt any 1/4 time numbers to go buy from them, unless they had another track day, which most of us cant do due to snow and this junk.

I cant take it up on the forums cause before I was gonna go the posted up on the forum that if I took my 1.8t there they "wouldnt be able to get a clear reading because 1.8t's need a special meter" so all he would basically say is I told you so. Anyways, when I get some more money I will probably go to where Musashi went cause they seemed like nice guys and they have a euro shop next to them and they also do rotaries there so I just have to wait a bit is all. And I wouldnt consider it a complete waste cause I found out my afr's and that is what was the most important thing to me, whether I was gonna blow up the car or not. Turns out the afr's were very good and that I am able to safely run higher boost on the upper rpm band.

oh yeah also I dont think I can track it for a while cause you can see the white threads on my tires, it not a pretty sight right now....

sheesh gotian stop sandbagging :)

that's funny how a stock si hits 197 to the wheels.... hillarious if you ask me

sheesh gotian stop sandbagging :)

that's funny how a stock si hits 197 to the wheels.... hillarious if you ask me

thats why i said if some of you guys were with me that day you'd be on the floor laughing at some of these numbers.

its basically uncertain. he ran a mid 14 i believe with very and i guess very poor track prep. mush in the gto ran a low 14 that day as well, so there really isnt any 1/4 time numbers to go buy from them, unless they had another track day, which most of us cant do due to snow and this junk.

Huh, I read that he ran 15's.

Hmm, a mystery.. Wonder which one it was.

i dont remember, and i dont think it matters anyway. all we know is that we have to wait till they go back again. i rememebr them sayin the track was horrible, and stuff. who cares anyway?

Why would a 1.8T be any different on a dyno than any other car?

Exactly, that shop is BS.

Which is why you can't trust anything they say. A Re-Dyno at a reputable shop will be the only run that stands up on it's own.

Yeah, as far as the load is concerned, it would be the same for every car from my understanding. All you are essentially doing is turning some heavy ass rollers, and spitting out some numbers based upon how fast they turn.

Dyno numbers don't really mean all that much though. It's a tuning tool for the most part. You wanna have power throughout the curve. I bet the Civic Si doesn't kick out anywhere as much as the 1.8T at 4K rpms. Heck, i'm sure the torque is nowhere near as high as the 1.8T, so you'd most likely win in a race. I can believe that the Si dynoed higher though. It does have a larger engine, even if naturally aspirated. Also, don't Jettas have tiny little turbos for the most part????

Also, don't Jettas have tiny little turbos for the most part????

I believe its a K03? Gotian?

Bogus numbers or not, I can vouch for the car being fast as hell!
Nice work man. :)

im gonna say Ko3

my jetta has a Ko3s which is bigger than the Ko3 from 2002+ they used the Ko3s

I will get it re-dynoed after I tune it for the lean at the lower rpm's part.