go at each other. im doing this for a friend. part of a kind of bet. im not saying what i say is better for the money overall for auto-x and drag together.

i am really curious to see what people have to say between this, as im pretty sure it has been discussed sooooo much already. this is also an intrest of mine as well, as ive been informed my autotranny cant handle more than 220hp at all w/o becoming un-reliable, thus need to feed my need for boost in a different way.

all elements here, apperance, performance, maintaince, you name it.

They're both equally nice cars... so closely matched from the Factory.


Now days, I prefer the Evo based on looks alone.

The Evo handles better, but the STi has more low end grunt, due to it's larger engine. Top end wise though, the Evo has more power now (Evo 9 that is, not the Evo 8). They are really close though. In a drag race i'd give it to the STi by a small margin, but on a handling course i'd give it to the Evo.

When I had the Evo I can honestly say that the handling was extremely confidence inspiring. I never lost control of the car once, and had people eating it behind me trying to keep up with me in the corners.

Plus, not many cars can lift up a rear wheel in a hard turn and keep in control like an Evo can.

http://www.evolutionm.net/registry/garage/22837/images/evom-xl.jpg

im not saying what i say is better for the money overall for auto-x and drag together.

all elements here, apperance, performance, maintaince, you name it.

i dont really get what ur saying in that first sentence, can you rephrase it.

and yea, everyone pretty much knows how equal they are, but the IX's suspension is superior, as far as 2006's go that is. I really cant say what id pick, i really like both as far as looks go, performance is pretty equal, although the sound of that boxer engine is intoxicating. although i do see a lot more fast evos than fast STIs, im assuming more aftermarket support for the mitsu and the ease to get power outta that 4G63. maintenance i havent heard horror stories for either one. so it really is a toss up based on personal preference, i couldnt decide without extensive testing of both

Hands down for 2006 cars I would go with the 2006 Evo 9.

The New 2006 STi is a pile of crap. It's subaru's attempt to make the STi have all the creature comforts of a luxury sedan and then going, hang on, aren't we making a track monster?

What kind of a top model turbo car has cast pistons? That alone speaks heaps for subaru's philosophy when building it.

I'm not a big fan of the 06 STi as all can see ;-)

The 2005 Aus spec STi though.....oooo yeah :-D

I always like the Evo better. Easier to get more power out of the engine, looks better and handles better.

EVO no question. I think the look far better and I have heard great things about them. Plus they sound bad ass. :icon16:

im not saying what i say is better for the money overall for auto-x and drag together.

what i meant mad maxima, is better overall, between handling and straight line power. im not too sure but to past posts, apparently the sti's transmission will die out rather quickly with high rev launches. thats true about any transmission, but theirs are like 'glass' i read one day. is that apparent in the STi's as well?

also, from what i understand, the evo's are faster here in the US since there is no real huge company that tunes scooby's ecus and such here. they just aren't the 'popular' thing as much as the evo's.(im comparing what ive seen).

Im not too sure about the whole i have more displacement thing with the scoob, but i dont think it would really make that much of a difference in the short run, but only in the long run. i remember the difference between a 1.6 turbo'd miata and a 1.8 turbo'd miata same set up and everything, the 1.8 had 40 more hp i believe.

the stats on an sti and evo are so close it is hard to say wich would be better all round. but after driving both of them I think that the evo feels alot better in handeling and speed. so I would go with the evo. evo has the looks as a bonus!

iim not too sure but to past posts, apparently the sti's transmission will die out rather quickly with high rev launches. thats true about any transmission, but theirs are like 'glass' i read one day. is that apparent in the STi's as well?

also, from what i understand, the evo's are faster here in the US since there is no real huge company that tunes scooby's ecus and such here. they just aren't the 'popular' thing as much as the evo's.(im comparing what ive seen).

You must be thinking of our beloved WRX with the glass tranny. :iceslolan The STi's 6 speed is pretty much bulletproof. I haven't heard anyone with less than 400whp breaking one...actually, I haven't heard of MANY ppl breaking them with more than 400whp either. More likely for the driveshaft or clutch to pop before the STi's 6 speed. Very strong.

In regards to aftermarket tuning. There are quite a few big ones in the US that most subie fans go to. The big ones are Cobb Tuning and Vishnu I have heard.

However, if you are talking about tuneability, the STi is just as much of a modifier's dream as the evo.

The 06 STi is nothing special at all, however, there are many STi's that I would pick any day of the week over the evo. The Type VI STi, any Spec C or type R, the S201-204 limited edition ones...they show that a stock STi with a minor tune is just god on wheels.

22B FTW, damn i wish I could have that car, favorite subbie of all time

they both are identical from the factory, but when you start modding then its a whole new ball game.

when modding:

evo can make over 400whp on stock turbo running 28-30psi on the stock with either race gas or alcohol injection.

there are many many many 400whp and a good amount of 500-600whp evos running around here in the states. if you own a evo and don't have over 300whp then your part of a minority since its very very easy to get 320-340whp on stock turbo with pump gas.

when modding:

a STi, the stock turbo is very small, and can barely squeeze out 300whp with all the bolts ons. that includes, tubular turbo manifolds, front mount intercooler, intake, turboback exhuast, and ecu reflash. all that you then you can finally get 300whp out of that turbo. not worth it.

also the STi is known to have boost creep when it gets cold and when you put a turbo back exhuast on. stock boost is 16 psi, in the winter with a free flowing exhuast, you will creep or spike to 18-20 psi. if you don't have any engine management, you will blow that engine up. what people need to do is to port the stock wastegate port so it can scavenge quick enough to it backpressure won't build up.

so in order to make over 300whp you need all of those supporting mods that i have listed earlier, and you need a upgraded turbo, and you need larger injectors. the stock STi only comes with 440-470cc injectors while the EVO has 550cc's from the factory, that alone gives it a higher power ceiling when tuning.

so basically to get 400whp in a STi you need to spend around 5K when you do that with 3K in a EVO, and thats just getting started when the STi would be considered pretty damn tuned.

if your going to keep them stock, get the STi, if your gonna make 400-500whp get the EVO.

another thing, go to their forums and you will see there are shit load of 400whp Evo's owned by members along with 500whp evo's owned by regular people. when you go to the subaru forums, most people are still in the 300whp range and only shops would have anything in the 500whp range. most subaru guys don't try to push the envelope like the evo guys do. they're very happy with only 300ish whp *shrug*

As much as I want to, I can't disagree with you Tat =P -cos I know the truth about the STi also...sadly, lol

But I don't completely agree with you...but for the most part yes. Also because I don't know much about the USDM STi's - for e.g. the STi's here come with 550cc injectors.

What you said the turbo maxing out at about 300whp sounds about right to me, but the 2.5L engine itself will break a piston at about 350whp!! So you're absolutely right about the power!

For sure if u want a power monster go with the Evo, the STi in it's current 06 trimming is just not designed at all for it. You can see that no wonder ppl don't wanna be making big power cars with 2.5L STi's, cos if you want to hit anywhere near 350-400whp safely you need to start changing internals! $$$$$$$$

i was wanting a post like tat's to come along. that was good stuff. what is this about the different warrenties though? from what ive heard mitsu's come with the 5 yr warrenty, but the racing issue voids it or somethin

As much as I want to, I can't disagree with you Tat =P -cos I know the truth about the STi also...sadly, lol

But I don't completely agree with you...but for the most part yes. Also because I don't know much about the USDM STi's - for e.g. the STi's here come with 550cc injectors.

What you said the turbo maxing out at about 300whp sounds about right to me, but the 2.5L engine itself will break a piston at about 350whp!! So you're absolutely right about the power!

For sure if u want a power monster go with the Evo, the STi in it's current 06 trimming is just not designed at all for it. You can see that no wonder ppl don't wanna be making big power cars with 2.5L STi's, cos if you want to hit anywhere near 350-400whp safely you need to start changing internals! $$$$$$$$

yeah the usdm STi's got screwed with the injectors, thats why they sell stock jdm sti injectors here as an "upgrade" hahah.

anyways both companies can be dicks about the whole warrantee thing. subaru dealerships cares less than mistusbishis. atleast if you can prove that the modded part was not the direct cause of the damaged part, you can argue and get a claim.

but mitsu, they'll void you for everything, and they would even go the extra mile to check if you have raced your car in any timed events such as solo II etc. usually people get around that by putting down a fake name when they sign up.

both cars are pretty damn reliable as long as you don't launch the thing at redline all the time.

hmm. anyone have this go against them or work for mitzu and know their whole process of saying you raced the car. i dont think there is a black box in there like they put in GM's already.

I wouldnt buy either car. The EvoX is right around the corner why not wait for that?

hmm. anyone have this go against them or work for mitzu and know their whole process of saying you raced the car. i dont think there is a black box in there like they put in GM's already.


My Honda has that black box as well. I am pretty sure most of the new cars have it anymore.

um, 1 thing. when evo X drops, the IX drops about 3k new. and thats before all those other gimmicks to sell the cars, like thanksgiving weekend sale and things like that. i've seen the concept of the new evo, and it looks good, but im not too sure if they are going to change the engine or anything. i dont think so since it has always been a turbo'd 4 cyclinder.

um, 1 thing. when evo X drops, the IX drops about 3k new. and thats before all those other gimmicks to sell the cars, like thanksgiving weekend sale and things like that. i've seen the concept of the new evo, and it looks good, but im not too sure if they are going to change the engine or anything. i dont think so since it has always been a turbo'd 4 cyclinder.


You should read up on the EvoX. Im not sure about power but they are adding tons of new computer systems for handling. Plus I really like the new look. It looks like a fighter jet.

the only gripe that i have with the X is that it will no longer use the 4G63, and it might only come with a sequential automanual style gear shift.

the new engine doesn't kill it too bad for me, its that tranny that might ruin the car for me. but those are just rumors about the tranny, but the 4G63 not being used is confirmed.

the front of the new evo X looks great, the rear of the car doesn't scream original to me. its ugly if u ask me.

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/mitsubishi-lancer-spoted-in-the-wild-ar15947/wallpapers/high-res/a/2008_lancerw.jpg

they are adding a electronics system for disributing tq to all the wheels evenly and such.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=109902

i'm not a big fan of these 'new looking' cars, as they are all going back to the boxy, big thick rim cars, which suck. dont get me wrong, as the 80s boxy cars are nice, these new ones are ugly. its more happening in the domestic market. i saw a new dodge nitro in person, that car shoots to me "moving milk carton" or "American's Box Car. Americans Care Only About The Size Of The Box"

Americas box car? You can thank japan for starting that shitty trend. Thanks Honda Element and Scion Xb, you have created a whole race of disgusting offspring. I will be happy to see that style go away.

I must say it looks about 10 times better than the current model and roughly 50 times better than the new STI's. They sure added a lot of stability control to it. Kind of funny how 9 out of 10 will only see the occasional drag race anyway.

I would take the Evo simply because changing the plugs on the STi would really piss me off.

I would take the Evo simply because changing the plugs on the STi would really piss me off.

hahaha:cwm27:

yeah, you gotta rip out half the engine bay just to do such a simple task.

the only gripe that i have with the X is that it will no longer use the 4G63, and it might only come with a sequential automanual style gear shift.

the new engine doesn't kill it too bad for me, its that tranny that might ruin the car for me. but those are just rumors about the tranny, but the 4G63 not being used is confirmed.


I know what you mean about the tranny thing. However times are changing and these sequential trannys are getting damn good. Case in point the Audi/VW DSG! My friend might be getting a new GTI and wants DSG. I was very skeptical at first and told him no way its better than stick... till I tried it... and damn its good:frown: Its faster then the one in the Enzo even. It rev matches, somehow keeps the turbo spoiling in between shifts, and its nice not to have to shift around town. Plus they handle the power pretty well and you can upgrade them like any other tranny. As much as I hate to say it the days of the manual might be numbered... in performance cars at least. I would still take a manual any day though, but when im forty I might feel different.

90% of the people who talk shit about SMG gearboxes are press people who get all of fifteen minutes to drive the car then give it over to someone else to try. There is a learning curve on sequential shifters/flappy paddle gearboxes just like there is on a regular stick. I'll take a good ol' flappy paddle gear box anyday.

if they are indeed switching out the 4g63 in favor of a 4g93 or something of that mivec sort, there's going to be a real problem with people finding engines for their evo's when they blow. that is if anyone actually wants to get the 63 block instead of the 64 block which was much more mass produced and has more displacment. there aren't enough evo 8'
s and 9's that get junked to keep the engine supply fresh.

someone needs to make 64 / 63 hybrid parts and computers just so nobody has to have any trouble getting things for them.

limited production motors suck as far as getting parts for. i would know.