Yes thats right. Musashi and Gotian will have a battle to the death on Sunday November 5th.
The location is a Air Force base as I understand from what Gotian told me.
The battle ground is an AutoX course.

See, me and Gotian have an issue about power over handling.
he thinks the RX-8 will out gun my GTO at the autoX
I say no matter how much speed he can carry through the corner I will power away after every turn.

so who do you think will win?

Consider also this will be the first time I drive the GTO on such a course and the first time for Gotian in the RX-8 as well.

i give it to the 8. those things are at home on a track.

Personally I think the GTO will take it. The way I see it (just from seeing the numbers in magazines), the RX-8 won't be able to overcome the GTO to the point where it will beat the goat overall. The GTO has inferior handling, but not enough to the point where the RX-8 will overtake the goat.

GTO. No way I can vote against a fellow GM'er.

the RX-8 is great for handling. while the GTO has more power auto-x courses are typically short. so i give the edge the the 8

I give the edge to the GTO. We are talking inexperienced drivers and its less likely that anyone will push the cars to their max around a corner. The GTO handles great and is no slouch and seriously outguns the 8 in power. I would be surprised to hear otherwise to be honest.

Hmm, this is interesting. It depends on how the course is layed out, I can honestly see both winnining on different types of courses, but for now ill have to go against my mazda brother and go with the GTO.

If it's a tightly layed out course, the Rx-8 may win just due to it being lighter on it's feet.

But, I'd assume that if the course has some decent space designed into it, with ample straights and sweeping turns. The GTO may be favored, just cause it can properly put down it's power for longer periods making up for any shortcourse troubles it may have.

The GTO will have trouble in the lower gears around tight corners. Unless you're real smooth on the throttle, I'd say keep TCS on.

Looking at the combined results from the SCCA Nationals this year where we can almost take the driver out of the equation:

Fastest GTO: 108.209 seconds
Fastest RX8: 102.396 seconds

Definetely the RX8

i say gto because the car is blue...wait, the rx is blue too...hmmmm....

seriously i think the gto will win it. gotian posted that he was having a bit of trouble after taking the stability control off the car if i recall. sounds like he's still learning the car. mush, seems like he beats on his gto, as he was determined to take the corner the srt crashed into a tree on...

I'm leaning towards the GTO, but thats just me. I see it like an argument I had with my buddy about Ducati vs a 'Busa around a track. The Ducati, with equal riders, would be able to go faster through the turns, but the Busa is fast enough to walk it down and put enough lengths on it in straights to give it mass breathing room. But then again, thats around a real track, not an AutoX course. I really dunno, I mean, the GTO can handle, it puts down times similar to the STi/STI on the Top Gear course, but the RX-8 is hella nimble.

Oh, and if you were doing this for my pleasure, Mush would be dressed as a burley bear, and Gotian would be wearing a whip cream bikini with Cherri's over his nipples, while holding a bottle in his right hand and a poodle in the other.

I'm leaning towards the GTO, but thats just me. I see it like an argument I had with my buddy about Ducati vs a 'Busa around a track. The Ducati, with equal riders, would be able to go faster through the turns, but the Busa is fast enough to walk it down and put enough lengths on it in straights to give it mass breathing room. But then again, thats around a real track, not an AutoX course. I really dunno, I mean, the GTO can handle, it puts down times similar to the STi/STI on the Top Gear course, but the RX-8 is hella nimble.

Oh, and if you were doing this for my pleasure, Mush would be dressed as a burley bear, and Gotian would be wearing a whip cream bikini with Cherri's over his nipples, while holding a bottle in his right hand and a poodle in the other.


Thats some funny shit.....I say Gotian and the RX-8 because he got tails when I flipped the coin....

I'll go for the GTO
just because i have one...:grinno:
nothing personal GOTIAN

This should be fun.

Barring the whole driver equation, it really depends on the course.

Some of you guys are speaking about it like it's VIR or something. It's an autocross, there aren't that many straights, and the Goat is a heavy car, it won't make transitions well. The 8 isn't exactly a flyweight either but at least it doesn't weigh 3800 lbs.

Now if Musashi had a Vette.......

RX8 will win, cause it sounds like a closed course. You can't utilize your significant power advantage over him. I doubt they'll have a long straightaway. It should be alot of fun though. Let us know how it goes.

Hopefully nothing breaks.

I gotta say GTO

Now if Musashi had a Vette.......


if he had a vette I'd take the Jetta, I beat those around the autocross course aleady so I dont see why I wouldnt do it again. :icon16:

Am I allowed to vote in this?

i say gto because the car is blue...wait, the rx is blue too...hmmmm....

seriously i think the gto will win it. gotian posted that he was having a bit of trouble after taking the stability control off the car if i recall. sounds like he's still learning the car. mush, seems like he beats on his gto, as he was determined to take the corner the srt crashed into a tree on...


And Ive taken corners at a much higher speed than than I would in the jetta and ive been autocrossing in the jetta before. I dont have trouble taking the stability off, it's the traction I have a problem with, and I wouldnt really need to take off the traction unless I went drifting.

rx8, because no matter how awesome the GTO is, Autocross is CORNER after CORNER of non stop turns. rx8 is better for turns, as well, i can see mushi maybe pushing it a little too hard around a corner and breaking loose too far. lots of torque means not so good.

Goat for the win.

rx8, because no matter how awesome the GTO is, Autocross is CORNER after CORNER of non stop turns. rx8 is better for turns, as well, i can see mushi maybe pushing it a little too hard around a corner and breaking loose too far. lots of torque means not so good.


That is what I was thinking. A 400hp RWD car weighing 3,800lbs with all season tires stands a very good chance of spinning out or losing control. If the course is how I picture it the RX-8 should win no problem I would think. But you never know. My vote goes to the RX-8 in the autoX course.

That is what I was thinking. A 400hp RWD car weighing 3,800lbs with all season tires stands a very good chance of spinning out or losing control. If the course is how I picture it the RX-8 should win no problem I would think. But you never know. My vote goes to the RX-8 in the autoX course.

Actually it's a 450hp car weighing at about 3700

^^ Ahh yes, I forgot about the mods. I stand by my statement.

gonna have to go with my boy musashi. go goat go! i can't wait until they go to actually settle who will actually win.

Actually it's a 450hp car weighing at about 3700

Didn't he dyno around 360whp? That's more like 430 flywheel horsepower. Heck i'm making 351whp, and I always declare that i'm making maybe 400 flywheel horsepower.

That would have to be some serious parasitic drivetrain loss to make Mushashi's GTO lose that much power at the wheels.

Didn't he dyno around 360whp? That's more like 430 flywheel horsepower. Heck i'm making 351whp, and I always declare that i'm making maybe 400 flywheel horsepower.

That would have to be some serious parasitic drivetrain loss to make Mushashi's GTO lose that much power at the wheels.

ah well whatever, 450-430 doesnt matter, we know what he makes at the wheels so it doesnt matter.

Its actually 365.15 at the wheels and 446.82 at the fly according to the readings from the dynojet and the HPTunners pro Ver.II.

I got the vids and shit and yes its like 19% drive train loss. :banghead:

wow, that's a pretty significant loss