I got these babies coming in the mail, should get them in the next 3-4 weeks.

Volk Queen II (Old school circa 1995)
F:16x8 +13
R:16x9 +13.

This is the kind of thing everyone should be aiming for, 17x7 +45 is for FWD cars. Rolled/pulled fenders FTMFW.
http://takumiproject.com/web%20photo/c0601037.JPG

if yo ride'n on 16's then put dat shit up, hahah.... jk lookn good cant wait to see em on ur black hatch

did you buy those from pandagarage or who? Nice, how much?

nice buy, those should look badass on your hatch. Black cars for the win. i wish my new rims offered lower offset without going custom made.....kind of sucks. But i still have to roll and pull shit so i guess it'll be enough.

not bad

the first two pics only worked for me.. but they look pretty sweet.. you'll be able to put on some fat ass tires

225/50R16 all around for now cause those r the tires I currently have on my shitty 16x7 Rotas, anyways I'll only have coilovers at the end of the winter so I'll only have pcis when itake my car out opf storage around april so youll all have to wait till then, sorry, and sorry im drunk so this mite not make sense. cya laterrrrrrr

nice rims.

my friend has the same rims on the right on his 3tc '86

not bad, but you need to slam your car ASAP or else youll be rollin like an AMC eagle

Looks Good. how much you pick them up for?

780$US from Takumi Project. And yeah, I'll need to slam my car, but I'll also have to install my 5 lug setup that's sitting on my bedroom floor. lol

Parts I have:
-30mm Z32 calipers/pads/rotors
-Ichiba 5 lug front hubs
-Tires

Parts in the mail:
-Rear 5 lug hubs off an R32
-Rims

Parts I still need to buy:
-Coilovers
-Braided conversion lines
-Rear 5 lug rotors

nice wheels dude, keep us updated with pics

I like the way the rims look, but...

Low offset wheels or wheels with unnecessary spacers can cause torque steer (mostly only an issue on high-torque fwd/awd cars), brake steer (think of torque steer and apply that thinking to braking...), higher wear to wheel bearings, hurt suspension/steering geometry, and really have no reason to be on a car unless the wheels are so wide they would otherwise rub the inside of the wheelwell.

Massively wide wheels don't always transfer to increased grip either, as you spread the contact patch over a larger area you also decrease the weight per sq. inch of rubber which can decrease overall traction. That's one theory and there are many more, take a look at this article about halfway down the page if you don't believe that wider tires are mostly for show (http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:mxLecir7iq8J:indycarz.com/about12495.html+traction+limit+mustang+.55g&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3). Anyhow, the bigger issue with wider rims though is the fact that you are adding a substantial amount of weight to the outermost part of the wheel. Dave Coleman from SCC runs high offset (+43) Volk CE28s (17x8" I believe) on his 240sx (s13) and a small (5mm) spacer up front to clear his c/o. With stock suspension I believe you can get away without the spacer. And why even bother to run a dinky 225 on those massive rear rims? Oh wait since those are JDM rims you must be into the whole stretching the tire so it looks like you were too cheap to buy decent rubber for your JDM_tyte rims.

Anyway I wouldn't have bothered to say anything, but you mentioned that +45 on 240s isn't what people should be buying which is pure misinformation. You want suspension and steering geometry as close to stock as possible because the engineers that made the car went to school for a reason. I will admit there are comprimises made because they are making street cars for average drivers, but the benefits of sticking with the stock setup far outweigh the disadvantages. Stiffen the car if you want via coilovers or bracing, but don't ruin the geometry and physics by overlowering (more than 1" esp with only shock/springs) and radical offsets. A 16-17" x 7-8" +35-45 offset is fine for almost any 240sx whether it's on the street or the track. I'm personally going to run a 16x7.5" Rota Boost +45offset...already have the rims and I already have the cash for a 240sx, just waiting for winter to be over so I can sell my current car. Anyone want a 2002 Nissan Sentra Spec V for $6500? :lol:

And for anyone too lazy to click the link:

"Wide tires are far more "show" than "go," no matter how much our egos want to disagree with that. The bottom line is g’s, and we’ve done a lot of testing in this area. The data should speak for itself, and correspond to tests on the street. Track conditions are typically better. The lowest traction limits we’ve measured are all on front-wheel-drive cars. This is because of the weight transfer offthe drive wheels when accelerating. They’re always between .40g and .50g.

Rear-wheel drive vehicles fare better. Most pickup trucks generate between .48 and .52g, thanks to in-optimized weight distribution. Non-posi cars are again a little better. They typically generate a maximum of .50 to .55g almost every time. We tested a Ford Crown Victoria with 215mm rubber, and it would spin the right rear at .50g. Next test was a ‘66 Mustang Coupe with 195mm rubber, which spun ‘em at .53g. A Volvo wagon (195mm tires) spins the right rear at .55g. This Mustang Fastback, with a posi and BFG radial T/A tires (215 mm) pulled .54g before the changes, and with the battery in the trunk now pulls .55 to .56g. Grand National Buicks (with posi) usually got .55g, 5.0L Mustangs (225mm, with posi) get .56 to .59g. My friend Rich has a ‘69 Super Bee, good posi, 215mm BFG’s, and pulls .57g before they spin. Note that these are not big differences from the best to the worst!

Now for some wide tire data: my friend John has a ’66 Nova with 275mm rubber and a good posi, yet it pulls .53 g max, right in there with my skinny-tired ’66 Mustang. Rich also owns a Hemi Charger with 275mm rubber, which can’t generate more than .55g, which you’ll note is less than his Super Bee does on 215s. That’s because he has played the weight distribution game on the Super Bee.

Highest street tire numbers ever? Weight distribution is a player. New Z28s (245 mm) commonly pull .62g max. My friend Shirl has a ‘79 Corvette (245 mm) pulls .65g on street tires.

See where I’m going here? There’s no magic "factor of two" yet. Honestly, even a posi only seems worth .05g or so (10 percent). How many guys do we run into that think a posi will double their traction?

Want to see big improvements? Change the tire compound. My friend Dave bought some BFG Drag Radials for his 5.0L Mustang. His 225mm street tires spin at .59g every time, yet his 235mm Drag Radials consistently pulled .68g. That’s 15 percent! A co-worker brought in his NSX with 245mm race tires, and thanks to the combined help of its mid-engine layout, we were measuring .75 g launches, over and over again!


I’m not saying that wider tires would hurt, I’m just arguing that they’re far more for show than go. They wouldn’t double the traction. Or add 50 percent, or even 25 percent. The max we’re talking is probably under 10 percent. So without tubbing the car, I can probably squeak in some 245mm tires if I had to. By trying to play the testosterone factor low on this car, my best money will go towards a set of drag radials, and selectively moving weight to the rear, not tubbing the car and running 315mm street tires. "

Again, I'm not trying to trash on this thread or you or anything. Nothing personal, I just would rather not have misinformation spread around this community because everyone thinks their 240sx has to have low offset wheels, dropped 3", and an s15 conversion because all the magazines love to show them that way.

Your 240sx looks pretty nice and will probably look even better with those rims and a small drop.

where did you qoute that from? it sounds familar. The more important factor is what compound the tire is. My car is 16x9 +20 stock, does this mean i dont get as good of traction if i were to put on the 16x8's in the front, because the rear has lower offset? i think not...

Klohiq WORD BRO WORD! i tell people on the track that shit all day long!
Biger is not better! BALANCE !!!!
the rims r nice, i will not use them for the tack dough!

Oh, right, I'm sure there's no reason why JGTC cars have 13" wide front wheels and why the fastest time attack car at Tsukuba (CyberEvo) has 9.5" wide front wheels.:screwy: That website was discredited a long time ago from a bunch of people here.

Besides, it only deals with launches, and why do drag cars have those big muther fucking tires on the back???:shakehead

And Im running a 225 on the back until they wear out cause I already have them, so I can get a 245 afterwards, I'm poor, live with it.

And the PDM S13 has 17x10 all around and he fucking kills at time attack races. :naughty:

And the PDM S13 has 17x10 all around and he fucking kills at time attack races. :naughty:

Bro u r getting it all wrong... u r comparing a track car with your CAR!
the PDM S13 has LOWR front AND rear control arms, a custom Roll cage, adjustable rear frame inserts….etc. all of that is designed to make the car the way it is.

I can't adjust my sub frame, nor the center of roll on my car ( I’m saving for the control arms)

anyways.. 2cts

so if you put it that way. It shouldnt really matter if its "to big" (which it isnt lol) since its a street car. Because noone goes out and drives the piss out of there car in mid day like there trying win a race, utilizing "maximum g's" lol. Now if your doing an actual track event, then you would set the car up for that type of environment. I got 17x9.5 rear and 17x8.5 upfront. I know plenty of people who have the same widths if not higher. You wont notice traction loss unless your a race team who does weekly testing and lap trials to dial in the car. There trying to win shit and make money. Some people just take this technical shit waaaay to far for the common user.

and lets be honest who doesnt love the look of wide ass wheels with huge ass lips/insane offsets. not to mention rolled fenders :naughty:

i dont car how functional a 17x7 +45 on a 240 is, it just looks like honda ass rims on the wrong car.

i dont car how functional a 17x7 +45 on a 240 is, it just looks like honda ass rims on the wrong car.

and lets be honest who doesnt love the look of wide ass wheels with huge ass lips/insane offsets. not to mention rolled fenders :naughty:

Finally, 2 people here who aren't stuck up. First off, I'm getting these rims cause they will look killer. Second, bigger tires=more grip, I'm not sure how this is even questionable. And third, I'm not putting 10" wide front wheels on (even though that would look awesome), I got 8 front and 9 rear which more 240s have out there then any other size, why you all getting bent out of shape for me? Oh and for the record, I treat highways and back roads as my own personnal race track and anyone who doesn't agree is most likely a hypocrite.

yeah...this kid reads too many mags and he accuses others of getting their style from mags?
i wanna know what car he has and how much work he actually does on it. i bet ill be disappointed.
if he wants max functionality, why doesnt he get track slicks then? plus, the whole point of all racecars having bigger and wider wheels than non race cars. they must do it so that they dont have too much grip huh? and lower offset rims dont hurt wheel bearings as much as running thick spacers.

plus the whole point of lowering a car is both style and functionality. SPL sells every adjustable link to correct for any negative suspension geometry side effects for lowering. its not that tough to figure out.

+1 for this guy. hes obviously a real pro.

Oh and for the record, wheel bearing wear is only affected by low offset or wheel spacers if the inside clearance is alot more then stock. It doesn't matter how mcu hthe wheel sticks out, it's how much of the wheel is on the inside of the hub.

Take stock wheels, they ar 6.5" wide with a +40 offset I think. These wheels go 122.55mm passed the inside of the hub. If you have say 7" wide with a +10 offset, the rims will only go 98.9mm passed the inside of the hub, therefore more weight is on the outside of the hub and bearings get stressed. But if you have lets say a 9" wide with a +35 offset, the wheel will go passed the inside of the hub 149.3mm so the bearing has even less stress then stock. My rear wheels will go 127.3mm passed the inside of the hub, so my bearings will not be stressed, front will go 114.6mm so will be a little more stressed then stock, but not by much.

So the reason people say spacers wear out wheel bearings is because most people don't have enough width to compensate the lower offset, but if you have a 17x9 +35 wheel or a 17x9 +45 wheel with a 10mm spacer, they will affect the bearing exactly the same.

good points good points. Some people just try to get to technical for the everyday drive. Yea that shit may be true, but only up to a certain level. Which would be balls out maximum the car could handle.

and no one puts 17x7 +45 unless fwd, Hell my damn scion rocks a more agressive wheel than that lol(just barely). I couldnt imagine how ugly that would look on a 240(or any rear wheel drive car).

and no one puts 17x7 +45 unless fwd

ohhhh, you'd be very very surprised, come to Quebec lol

HAHAHAHHAHAH come to minnesota. mexicans everywhere put some janky ass used 13x8 spokes on everything. and i mean EVERYTHING. plus at minimum 4 foot spacers.

you guys think you have it bad? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Subaru/photos/a-74020773/p-27325875/k-117207.htm
those are th avg rims you will see on any tyte car yo in newzealand. if you saw how many WRXs and legacys roam around on big curbed ugly chrome shits you would kill yourself. i would rather have 12 inch rims with a mexcian flag painted on then those.

Yeah, what's with all the wack ass rims coming out of Australia and NZ? Even Europe has the worst fucking car modding taste ever.

yeah NZ'ers ricing out real jdm cars makes me cringe, but we also have some hardcore nissan tuners who do allright. where else do you see these... http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=15cefline1su9.jpg

oh damn. id rock that.

Wow...

Obviously I was merely stating common problems with wheels and offsets. I wasn't posting to flame or anything and I stated already that I'm not saying there is anything inherently wrong with wide wheels other than the fact that people like wide wheels because they are wide. I'm sorry but I'm not a fan of circular logic.

And for anyone that cares what car I drive it's not too hard to figure out, read my sig. Obviously it's not a dream car, but when I bought it four doors and a large back seat were a big plus (my gf had a kid). And I don't claim to be a genius, but I do want to make sure people don't get the wrong idea about why they should mod their car a certain way. Again, as stated before I plan to sell it once the snow melts so I should have a new car by April '07. This is not some cooked up internet dream and me bragging about owning an mkiv supra tt by next fall to smoke yo. It's quite simple, I owe less than it's worth (thousands less) and I see the exact same cars (B15 Spec V) sell quickly around here. A 91-93 240sx isn't hard to aquire...and I'm also looking at other options...If you aren't impressed with my accomplishments or goals then maybe you can become my personal advisor and tell me exactly why I'm not impressing you with my l33t sk1llz...

Bottom line: you posted to get feedback...it's a car forum...what do you expect? I didn't flame and say you were a faggot or that those wheels are gay, I stated an opinion backed up with multiple facts/theories. If you don't agree, then that's fine...I don't claim to know everything and I didn't post to change your opinion about anything.

240SXSlideStar:So the reason people say spacers wear out wheel bearings is because most people don't have enough width to compensate the lower offset, but if you have a 17x9 +35 wheel or a 17x9 +45 wheel with a 10mm spacer, they will affect the bearing exactly the same.

That's exactly what I was trying to convey in my orignal post...I understand how a spacer would remove a positive offset because you're physically moving the wheel 10mm away from the hub, thus reducing the overall offset by 10mm. The statement was over-simplified because I didn't think someone would bother mentioning the rare case when spacers + low offset actually do equal the same force on the wheel bearings. In general though, running low offsets and/or wheel spacers will reduce wheel bearing life.


slideways...: SPL sells every adjustable link to correct for any negative suspension geometry side effects for lowering. its not that tough to figure out.

I'm sorry but since you didn't say from how much lowering this can't possibly be true since I could lower the car 5+" and have it actually scrape on the ground all the time...to me that's a "negative suspension geometry side effect" and something that would be hard to fix without just raising the car back up. They may make a lot of parts, but I doubt they allow you to adjust roll center and there is no bolt-on to move your shock towers around like they do on nearly all racecars that use a stock chassis. So there is a point where even if the car isn't bottoming out (suspension or physically dragging hard parts) that SPL can't help you.

I do read magazines...and books...and watch tv...and read forums...and basically try to sort out the bullshit from the truth. I take everything I read, whether it's a magazine or a book, with a grain of salt. So if you think I'm an idiot because I read magazines then so be it...for all I know you could be a genius...but lets just assume we are both idiots because by calling me a "kid" you have needlessly resorted to name calling rather than responding to anything important. I may not be 50 years old, but I am also not 17. Age has little bearing on whether you know what you are talking about anyway, so why bother bringing it up?

The whole offset/spacer thing I wrote wasn't aimed at you, I know you know the difference, I just wanted to clear up the fact that most people think wheel spacers = fucked up bearings. It's more complicated then that.

I know you gave your opinion, but the whole fact that smaller tires give same grip is complete bullshit and it's not even logical.

I do agree that most people get wide wheels because wide wheels look cool, that's exactly why I'm getting them. My 225s on 7" rims give great grip, but look like ass. I want looks to.

Wow...

Obviously I was merely stating common problems with wheels and offsets. I wasn't posting to flame or anything and I stated already that I'm not saying there is anything inherently wrong with wide wheels other than the fact that people like wide wheels because they are wide. I'm sorry but I'm not a fan of circular logic.


common? of all the people on this forum with wider wheels with lower offset, who have you heard complain of lack of traction or too many wheel bearings going out?


And for anyone that cares what car I drive it's not too hard to figure out, read my sig. Obviously it's not a dream car, but when I bought it four doors and a large back seat were a big plus (my gf had a kid). And I don't claim to be a genius, but I do want to make sure people don't get the wrong idea about why they should mod their car a certain way. Again, as stated before I plan to sell it once the snow melts so I should have a new car by April '07. This is not some cooked up internet dream and me bragging about owning an mkiv supra tt by next fall to smoke yo. It's quite simple, I owe less than it's worth (thousands less) and I see the exact same cars (B15 Spec V) sell quickly around here. A 91-93 240sx isn't hard to aquire...and I'm also looking at other options...If you aren't impressed with my accomplishments or goals then maybe you can become my personal advisor and tell me exactly why I'm not impressing you with my l33t sk1llz...


its on you to impress me. thats not my responsibility. and so far, its not lookiung good.
Bottom line: you posted to get feedback...it's a car forum...what do you expect? I didn't flame and say you were a faggot or that those wheels are gay, I stated an opinion backed up with multiple facts/theories. If you don't agree, then that's fine...I don't claim to know everything and I didn't post to change your opinion about anything.
you stated an opinion disguised as a fact backed up by obscure references to dave coleman and his obvious unquestionable skill and knowledge.



240SXSlideStar:So the reason people say spacers wear out wheel bearings is because most people don't have enough width to compensate the lower offset, but if you have a 17x9 +35 wheel or a 17x9 +45 wheel with a 10mm spacer, they will affect the bearing exactly the same.

not totally true. the farther out the inside of the tire is from the car, the more bearing wear you get.


slideways...: SPL sells every adjustable link to correct for any negative suspension geometry side effects for lowering. its not that tough to figure out.

I'm sorry but since you didn't say from how much lowering this can't possibly be true since I could lower the car 5+" and have it actually scrape on the ground all the time...to me that's a "negative suspension geometry side effect" and something that would be hard to fix without just raising the car back up. They may make a lot of parts, but I doubt they allow you to adjust roll center and there is no bolt-on to move your shock towers around like they do on nearly all racecars that use a stock chassis. So there is a point where even if the car isn't bottoming out (suspension or physically dragging hard parts) that SPL can't help you.

dude, seriously? i thought that scraping noise was downforce at work!

I do read magazines...and books...and watch tv...and read forums...and basically try to sort out the bullshit from the truth. I take everything I read, whether it's a magazine or a book, with a grain of salt. So if you think I'm an idiot because I read magazines then so be it...for all I know you could be a genius...but lets just assume we are both idiots because by calling me a "kid" you have needlessly resorted to name calling rather than responding to anything important. I may not be 50 years old, but I am also not 17. Age has little bearing on whether you know what you are talking about anyway, so why bother bringing it up?

you brought it up. i call people by their intellectual age. ive heard some of the same spiel from little riceboys running around here with their gay 17x7 +48s trying to be cool. theres a line that everyone makes between track performance and street civility. im not going to use 15x7 +45s on my 240 even though they may be waaaay lighter. just as im not going to run hoosiers on my 240 either. this argument is beyond pointless.

done and done

not totally true. the farther out the inside of the tire is from the car, the more bearing wear you get.

Actually, 17x9 +35 and 17x9 +45 with a 10mm spacer both have same amount of tire towards the inside of the car.