I don't want this to turn into a heated debate, religious sermon, or anyone become angry. It's just an innocent question and if you want to give your view on why you voted this way, please do so, but do NOT criticize others view. It's their view and everyone has their own right to it. I believe there is a god, there has to be a god when I think about it, but I'm not so sure god cares about us. There are a lot of pretty fucked up people in this world and some in some pretty horrible situations. I know why "god allows the suffering" reasoning from the bible, but to me that's a pretty self centered approach. If I was god, I wouldn't care what some people thought, I'm god and I don't have anything to prove to anyone. So there's my vote, yes I believe in god, but I'm not sure god cares about us.

Well, I haven't been to church in awhile, but I do believe in God. But sometimes I question things.
I think the movie "Dogma" explained it best.
You don't question it when your a little child. Your glass is small and is easy to fill. But when you get older, the glass gets bigger and the same amount that it took to fill the small glass isn't enough anymore to fill the bigger one.
So, yes I believe in God but sometimes I don't know how much.

I believe in God. But i can understand why its very tough for some people to believe in him if they try their hardest in life, but always seem to fail, or they had no choice in their life, or whatever.

Yeah.
But he hates us now. We're all doomed.

^ Now there is a positive attitude for ya. In my oppinion, we brought all this war and destruction appon ourselves.

There's a god..

I mean, he does use the LS1. :lol2:

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/1646/ls12go1.jpg

1. Yes I believe in God.

2. We are living in hell ... I believe that when you are sent to hell, you keep coming back to Earth to live in this shithole, where you get killed for a pair of sneakers, or your own mother stabs you in the back with a steak knife and leaves you half naked sitting in 8 inches of snow when you're only 11 months old so she can get a fix, or you bust your ass to make a living and the taxes keep you poor, or you try to follow your religion and some fuicking zealot killls you because his religion says your evil... it's ridiculous.

I am a non-practicing catholic. The recent publicity has made it crystal clear that I lead a better life than most priests, and knowing a bunch of the parishoners... I can say that a LOT of them have no business stepping foot in a church. I do the best I can, help whoever I an whenever I can, try to be the best man, husband and father that I can, and hopefully I won't have to come back to this shitheap and deal with the problems we've allowed ourselves to create.

3. Human beings are communal. One person affects the next. So as far as the "good" person who has all the horrible thing happen to him... it's just a result iof the human condition. Free-will has aloowed us to come to such a state that you could be on your way to church and your child could be killed by a stray bullet from some asswipe drug addicts shoot out.

Ahhhh... this whole thing is hugely philosophical, I believe in God and Jesus and all. My beliefs don't have to be the same as yours, and neither of us is wrong for believing what we believe. (That was a mouthful). I just hope all these wars and all aren't the sign of the second coming if there is one.

Whatever...

I remember seeing that LS1 poster a while back.

I voted for "I don't know", because I just dunno. I find it difficult to beleive that the universe and life was created by a supernatural entity/entities, but I have no ground to say that it is impossible either. I do not particularly put any faith in Heaven or Hell, nor do I commit my soul to worship or trust my destiny to someone/something I can't see, but I will not say that the mojority of the world is wrong and I am right either. The only thing that I can be 100% certain of is that this life may be the only chance we have in this world, so I just try to live the best life I can and be a good man, and hopefully if there is a God and there is a Heaven he will understand and accept me. I do not claim any religion, because if there is something so spectacular as a God/Gods, I doubt any human comprehension of it is accurate.

I agree, god hates us all!

:lol: There is no way in 666's House am I going to leave this posts up for 666 days. I changed it to 66 and thats pushing it, cause most polls are up for only 1 month at the max.

Anyway, its a major delimma for me, On one side I believe (or want to believe), on the other hand I don't. But If I were it would have to be multiple gods not just one. Which would explain to me why some things are good and some are bad.

TS out (looking for an Excorcist)

All I know is that the world is ending...soon. and I dont wanna be here when all the good has left for salvation and only the evil souls remain...

:lol: There is no way in 666's House am I going to leave this posts up for 666 days. I changed it to 66 and thats pushing it, cause most polls are up for only 1 month at the max.

Not a problem, I didn't know anyone could see how many days were left haha.

I just hope that heaven is like a giant diner that has Lager, Philly Cheesesteaks with, Wally Biscotti and Canoli's.... Like a 300 gallon Lager, 200 foot cheesesteak and a 105 foot canoli.

**Dreams of scantily clad female angels dangling cheesesteaks and canoli's like grapes into the mouth of a king, with beer fountains of Lager and milk-stout cascading gloriously down ice channels within reach of my 40 gallon goblet...***

Uhoh... My fat person is waking up. It's getting close to dinnertime, isn't it?

ummm you know what bothers me about the concept of heaven. Its that if I die and go to heaven I would expect to see all my love ones there, but what if one of my love ones did something very evil at one time in their life. He/She wouldnt' be up there and be in hell instead. With so many restrictions and rules to go by, what I might find good others will not. So whos to say I will find all my friends up there. :banghead:

TS out (breaking some law)

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ummm you know what bothers me about the concept of heaven. Its that if I die and go to heaven I would expect to see all my love ones there, but what if one of my love ones did something very evil at one time in their life. He/She wouldnt' be up there and be in hell instead. With so many restrictions and rules to go by, what I might find good others will not. So whos to say I will find all my friends up there. :banghead:

TS out (breaking some law)

Why would you care about anything if you had a bunch of scantily clad angels feeding you... Cheesesteaks and Canoli's, no less... and Lager!

Seriously though, I would be so happy I made it there that if I saw ANYONE I knew it'd be enough for me.

Even on CNN I saw "Countdown to Armageddon" commercials advertising for a show they have. Why is the world ending now? Hasn't the world been corrupt and in a horrible shape since the start of mankind? Why now? Oh, I'll see ya there TS, please don't hate me from the AF endeavors when we get there haha.

Actually, if you read the bible it tells the signs before then end... I think we have passed a few already...

I voted no. I can not blindly put my faith into something just because a book some guys wrote a couple thousand years ago says to. I have never seen any proof or anything that a god does exist, and I feel the only thing that should be taken out of the bible (or any such book) are the morals which all of the stories tell us... not that some guy named Jonah got swallowed by a whale or that Jesus was the son of god, but rather what they did in these stories - they're all metaphors. That and I feel that once people began taking the stories for truth and the book as being written by god, is when religion became not a moral teaching, but rather a way to control people, harness power, and cause war.

I think the world will end when we run out of fuel for our beloved V8's.

I'm not helping this process along with my bike :/

I'm not helping this process along with my bike :/


good I'd like to get laid at least one more time before the world ends. Sadly the chances have gotten slim.

Even on CNN I saw "Countdown to Armageddon" commercials advertising for a show they have. Why is the world ending now? Hasn't the world been corrupt and in a horrible shape since the start of mankind? Why now? Oh, I'll see ya there TS, please don't hate me from the AF endeavors when we get there haha.Don't worry, up in heaven (if there is such a place) i'll be holding the keys to the gates for Banlandia as well. So you will be okay. :lol:

As for Savage's post, Thats the other side of me that agrees.
Its always in conflict. http://santafemods.com/images/Smileys/seesaw.gif

TS out (riding the see saw)

good I'd like to get laid at least one more time before the world ends. Sadly the chances have gotten slim.
:rofl: That's the funniest thing I've heard all day! :iceslolan

I voted "No, I don't believe in a god." I'm the kind of person that often questions many and every aspect of life, society, religious figures bla bla bla. I guess Savage Messiah put it out best IMO. I was raised as a catholic and I have read the bible and yes, they are nothing but metaphors used to try and create morals and a set of rules for the common member of a working society. But still, I am kinda skeptical about whether or not some supernatural force or being is the reason we are here and everything is as well. W.E though, if there is a hell ill be there for blasphemy holding my IROCs keys in one hand and a pitch-fork in the other for whoever tries to take em!

well... lets just say i would rather die and find out there isnt a heaven than die and find out (the hard way) that there is a hell

I don't believe in hell, so I'm not too worried about that.

maybe this is hell :dunno:
maybe we are all some other guy's spirit and in hell cuz he f-ed up

Actually, if you read the bible it tells the signs before then end... I think we have passed a few already...

Yes, we have seen a couple signs... and oh SHIT! I think one is the destruction of Isreal (that's not what it's called in the Bible, but that's what they are referring to).

That and I feel that once people began taking the stories for truth and the book as being written by god, is when religion became not a moral teaching, but rather a way to control people, harness power, and cause war.

You have a point. But with so many of the stories of the bible being proved to be at least partially true, do you ever question your position? (They think they've found Noah's Ark, the place where John the Baptist lived / preached and other stuff).

I believe in God. I believe in Heaven and Hell. I don';t know that I believe that you see all your friends when you get there. I don't know that you stay there forever.

I too believe that the organized religions of the world are more about the power to control their followers more than anything else... I mean c'mon, the Catholic church... more of the priests are going to hell than camaro owners. I have NOT read the entire Bible, actually not much of it, but I have read enough to know what is good and bad, and try to live as decent a life as I am able. I've done my share of things oif which I am ashamed, and will always worry that someone will be waiting at the gates with a clipboard and a whip to take me downstairs.

Who knows... I do think that these feaking wars in the middle east need to be finished and the terrorists eliminated from the living. Forget about the religious standpoint, they're not good for life in general.

I voted that yes I believe in one god.. and to me Heaven goes like this..

When you're up there heaven goes according to your tastes.. SO.. if you want one of your friends to be up there, they'd be there, regardless of them going to hell or not, because its YOUR heaven. Thats the way I see it though, like not everybody goes to one place that is called heaven, but once we get up there we all have like our own room and in there it goes according to what you like.. so if you want nothing but Cheesesteaks and beer around every corner when you're hungry, then they'll be there and you will always taste it like if it was your first time.

And the same goes to hell, its all according to what you hate most.

But to me, my concept makes it perfect and really makes it not matter what happens to others.

This is such a touchy subject for so many people. I am surprised that no one has gone off the deep end yet.
I have been baptised and all that good stuff. When I was young my grandma took me to a 7th day adventist church and when I moved to Oregon I went to a Nazarene Church. I was baptised at the Nazarene church. Needless to say I am very confused with religion. Part of me believes and the other part is unsure...

I was raised going to a church, we're not going to get into what church. To say the least, I've been very disappointed with how it was ran, the higher ups think they're better than everyone else. I'm glad no one has went off the deep end, I didn't want that. Just wanted some opinions.

Thanks guys for having a serious conversation and not getting mad.

For those who believe in hell, how hot is hell? Is it all fire and all the temperature of whatever fire is? Is it just very hot, like hot enough to where a human wouldn't die just be miserable all the time? Is it humid? Is it hot enough to kill a human but not a spirit? Is it a land with ground and structures and such, or just...fire?

I'll believe in God as soon as God believes in me...*passes out*

Fire and sulfur. Ah, the smell of rotten eggs and burnt souls. I think it would be flat hot with no humidity. Just like burning in an actual fire, all the time, with no dying, no relief, no comfort.

Why would there be sulfur? If a spirit feels hot such as being in "hell", does the devil and demons feel heat and cold from the weather on Earth?

hell i beleive, is a very hot, stale aired place.... but probably not lava like, more like a steel factory or something. But really hell is more like a place of punishment and misery than heat. a place of souls screaming in agony and where your worse fears come to life. A place where the souls of the damned and demons have their way with you with no repercussions.

somewhat like what rally already said

My worse fears come to life? What if you truly don't fear anything? Like me for example, I love being scared, it's my favorite. I love nightmares, scary movies, the dark, fear in general. Would hell consist of any of these? So hell is more of just a miserable time rather than just fire?

i bet you fear pain...

i mean.. not saying it like you're a wimp, but i mean like i fear pain....i dont wanna get kicked in the balls

Nope, I've broke 19 bones, pain doesn't bother me.

so if i said "lemme kick you in the nuts" you'd be like "bring it on"?

Pretty much, I wouldn't fear it. It would suck, but it wouldn't be a fear. So if hell is real, it'll be eternity of being kicked in the nuts?

well it would be stuff that makes you miserable....all the time..stuff that makes you be like "damn...i do not wanna be here"

Ah well, I don't believe in hell anyways. Just wondering, thanks!

Kinda makes you wonder what exactly the truth is about all this stuff. Someone needs to have all the answers to all the questions.

Hey Rally... CHEESESTEAK TREES!

6... Hell (to me) is either being without the things you really want (kids, wife, dog, friends, etc) or being with things you really despise (hot humid weather, garbage all over, mean people all over, ... kinda like Philly but w/o cheesesteaks). Wait'll you get a little older and have a family of your own and THEN you'll have something that you could do without.

Ah well, I don't believe in hell anyways. Just wondering, thanks!

Well if you believe or not wont matter if its really or not.. but in honesty to believe in heaven you kind of HAVE to believe in hell.

Btw who edited the poll? Pretty funny :lol2:

And the answer to all these questions wont ever come, atleast I think so.. just believe what you want to, the worst part about it is that what if it isnt true? What if there isnt a god and heaven or hell or any of that stuff or afterlife. I mean it is scary, because it may all be a lie and just a way for us to give us hope that we will mean something even though we may be as insignificant as lint on the ground.

I look at it this way. (I think) It's better to believe in God with the possibility of being wrong, than not believing in God and being wrong.

Because if you do believe (in heaven and hell) and you're wrong, no harm, but if you don't believe and they do exist, you're hosed.

I look at it this way. (I think) It's better to believe in God with the possibility of being wrong, than not believing in God and being wrong.

Because if you do believe (in heaven and hell) and you're wrong, no harm, but if you don't believe and they do exist, you're hosed.

Well ofcourse.. better safe than sorry.. especially when it comes to this. :lol2:

I look at it this way. (I think) It's better to believe in God with the possibility of being wrong, than not believing in God and being wrong.

Because if you do believe (in heaven and hell) and you're wrong, no harm, but if you don't believe and they do exist, you're hosed.


the only problem is I think god frowns upon believing "just in case."

well it would be stuff that makes you miserable....all the time..stuff that makes you be like "damn...i do not wanna be here"
24/7 of having to watch Richard Simmons on TV. That would be hell...lol

That's what I've always been taught. God doesn't want you to serve him to help yourself, you're supposed to serve god because you want to serve him with no selfish motives. How can anyone actually worship a god without hoping to get some benefit from it?

I believe in god. For a very simple reason. If you go back far even to when the universe was nothingness. There was no gas, no planets , nothing. Something had to cause this type of motivation to happen. Maybe not so much a god as a holy spirit (which is basically a God) but there is good and evil in the world and alot of what happens to us is the creation of man and not god showing his wraith. Also we are made up of energy, that just can't end so if it continues there has to be a heaven and if there is a heaven it stands to reason there has to be a god. It can't just be lights out. Those reactions that take place and your feelings and being a little different than everyone else can't just end and thats it, it has to continue in one form or another and I find its alot easier to get threw a rough day let alone a rough life putting faith in something you can question rather than having no faith at all. Good thread BTW, sorry I came in so late.

What about the people who have bad lives through no fault of their own. For instance, children who were abused are statistically more prone to abuse their children. Is "god" to blame, could god hold those actions into accountability? What about suicide? I really feel sorry for people who get so depressed that they actually take their own lives. Would "god" forgive them? If there is a god, does he want us to be happy? Or just worship him at all cost? I believe very much so along with you, I can't see any way without a god and I know religion teaches god is going to reward his followers, but what about the ones with no hope? I just don't think god cares...We ruined a perfectly good thing in the beginning of mankind in my opinion.

Its man that does the things you just mentioned. The bible was written by man and no one is perfect or knows the right thing to do in every case. So while its unfair to blame god for every wrong doing in our lives, I can't understand you being upset about it (not you specifically but in general). I like to think that everything aside, if you try to do the right thing by others and treat others with the same respect they treat themselves and you. Thats the key to having a somewhat decent life, does this mean there will not be tragedy. Ofcourse not but one thing is for sure, that I have heard a million times but its the truth. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. Life is filled with blessings and curses. I think the best way to try and look at it , is to enjoy the blessings as much as possible and try not to let the curses drag you down (even though I know it can be hard).

I'm not mad at god, I know we brought all this on ourselves. I was just wondering some opinions on how god views things. Suicide would be destroying the gift that only he could have gave us. Did god in the beginning want us to be happy? Would he forgive someone if they got to that point now?

It's amazing how 666 people voted for me, how IRONIC...hmmm :)

It's amazing how 666 people voted for me, how IRONIC...hmmm :)

Gee, I wonder how that happened?

I...do...not...know.....

Lying sets a bad example, god! You're a terrible deity already.

Obviously, I fail at everything I try...Not a good president, even worse god, I'm going to try prostituting next...

Just don't hit anyone with your bag of nickels. No one likes a violent whore!

I got nothing left for 'em...I'm just a failure at life it seems.......Where are you now god? Huh?

He's laughing right now with chocolate milk coming out his nose. Who said god doesn't have a sense of humor?

Maybe god enjoys us suffering? He likes the fact that we can't live without him...that we'll fail. Humans have proved for thousands of years that they cannot succeed on their own for any length of time.

God hates the fact that we suffer. The reason that we do suffer is because he gave us the ability to chose. Its through our decisions that shape our consequences. That's why good and evil exists.

Ahh, I see.

Too bad no one can say who's actually right about these things. Maybe the mystery of life is the reason why people live. What keeps them going. If everyone knew all the asnwers, life would be boring.

I believe in god. For a very simple reason. If you go back far even to when the universe was nothingness. There was no gas, no planets , nothing.

So then you're saying that god would have just appeared out of the nothingness to create everything we have?

So then you're saying that god would have just appeared out of the nothingness to create everything we have?
I am saying God was the begining. Energy is present always. I am saying I believe God started the ball rolling.

So do you believe god is an actual all knowing energy force? Or just energy that turned into what we have now? If god was alone for so long, how did he become all knowing? You learn through experience, right?

So do you believe god is an actual all knowing energy force? Or just energy that turned into what we have now? If god was alone for so long, how did he become all knowing? You learn through experience, right?

But that's the awesome thing about god, is that he is omnipresent and he is all-knowing. He knows everything, past, present, and future. Its not something explainable, just something you have to have faith in. I'm surprised that word hasn't come up yet.

On a lighter note, when god said, "let their be light", who was he exactly talking to?

I honestly don't know who he was talking to. How long had god created the angels before he created man? I wonder how long god existed before he created anything. Some galaxies are estimated to be 15 billion years old and older...

No idea, but I would love to ask him when/if I get the opportunity. But who know? It could all end when we die, just lying in the ground for the rest of mankind.

Say there is a heaven or people are going to live on the earth forever or whatever as a reward for serving god. Could you decide to end your life there. Say for example: I'm in heaven. I decide I don't like living anymore and want to end it. Could I kill myself in heaven? If I did that would I go to hell? Or would I be forced to be miserable forever? I don't believe in hell because I don't believe we had any choice in having life, I don't think you can punish someone for eternity for something they didn't ask for and had no control over.

I think of a supreme being that designed life and the route in which it is set in but we decide every step that is taken and which direction on way to the finish we head. I don't believe in a traditional god but believe we each have a path or option to take in our lives and depending on how we pick and choose like going threw a maze. We end up somewhere we never dreamed of or hit a wall. I think thats the idea and the good and evil we do , as well as the good and evil others do effects our daily lives and how we go about forgiveness. I think its up to us to make our lives better and ourselves happy. Its not our creaters fault if Joe Smo is a idiot and did something bad to us. That is just a lesson on our path to whatever follows next and believe me. There has to be something after.

If you're in heaven and want to end living, would you be sent to hell? Or could you actually end your life for good?

Why would anyone in heaven want to end it ?

I don't know, why would anyone on Earth want to either? I would think after a billion years or so, I would grow tired of living...

In Heaven, I don't think you can have that type of mindset. I don't think you can 'think' like you're traditional way of 'thinking'. I hope that wasn't too confusing. Just something you wouldn't think about because its paradise and that thought would never cross your mind.

But say it did, I'm sure you could put in a request to back to earch and live another life. But if you didn't like Heaven, god would be mad at you and send you to hell.

I find that highly unfair, IMO. I don't want to believe in hell because I don't think you can force someone to suffer for all eternity when they didn't choose to have life to begin with. If in heaven god changes the persons mindset, why wasn't this done to begin with?

I don't think it's possible to not like heaven... since it would pretty much be everything YOU need to be fulfilled... In a spiritual sense not a physical sense

I find that highly unfair, IMO. I don't want to believe in hell because I don't think you can force someone to suffer for all eternity when they didn't choose to have life to begin with. If in heaven god changes the persons mindset, why wasn't this done to begin with?
We were all created with a free will to do what we wanted as long as we obided by certain rules... we broke those rules.... now we have to work our way back up to the top... make sense?

I don't think it's possible to not like heaven... since it would pretty much be everything YOU need to be fulfilled... In a spiritual sense not a physical sense
Dude, why must you make everything sound lame :banghead: . Now I want to go to hell :evillol:

well I doubt god will be resurrecting your wrinkly old ass anyways (your body not your soul).... (thank god) so either way you aint gettin any... lol..

We were all created with a free will to do what we wanted as long as we obided by certain rules... we broke those rules.... now we have to work our way back up to the top... make sense?
I totally understand that. I just am not sure god cares about us like I voted because those who don't want life would be forced to live forever. If someone is totally messed up in life, miserable to the point to where they would actually take the step of taking their own life, and did end it would go straight to hell? That person didn't ask for life in the beginning and would suffer forever...not very caring from my perspective.

I totally understand that. I just am not sure god cares about us like I voted because those who don't want life would be forced to live forever. If someone is totally messed up in life, miserable to the point to where they would actually take the step of taking their own life, and did end it would go straight to hell? That person didn't ask for life in the beginning and would suffer forever...not very caring from my perspective.
I think that's a big misconception really... I don't believe hell is a place you go and burn for all eternity... I think you more or less are just no more... your soul doesn't get reignited and you are forever dead... or who knows... maybe you will just be sent back to earth to live... forever.... might not sound bad but compared to the perceived heaven, could be hell...

I totally understand that. I just am not sure god cares about us like I voted because those who don't want life would be forced to live forever. If someone is totally messed up in life, miserable to the point to where they would actually take the step of taking their own life, and did end it would go straight to hell? That person didn't ask for life in the beginning and would suffer forever...not very caring from my perspective.
Hey man when your getting down and think god doesn't care and respect you and treats you like crap. Just think of us here at AF, no matter what he thinks of you. It can't be any worse than what we do :icon16:

Hey man when your getting down and think god doesn't care and respect you and treats you like crap. Just think of us here at AF, no matter what he thinks of you. It can't be any worse than what we do :icon16:

This is true. Too bad we can't zap him in the ass with a huge lightening bolt or two.

Hey man when your getting down and think god doesn't care and respect you and treats you like crap. Just think of us here at AF, no matter what he thinks of you. It can't be any worse than what we do :icon16:
I'm not down or depressed! But thanks, that's reassuring to know you guys think so highly of me! :disappoin

Right now is the best time of my life! I'm enjoying every day, I've got the ex girlfriend out of my life, got a bike, working on a new career, things are really looking up! I just like to argue the suicide point because no one knows for sure and I love to argue.

This is true. Too bad we can't zap him in the ass with a huge lightening bolt or two.
lol... I bet Formula would like to "zap" him in the ass... but that would probably be more of a "tickle"

I'm not down or depressed! But thanks, that's reassuring to know you guys think so highly of me! :disappoin
Hey buddy, don't be blue. Who lets you push more of my buttons than I knew I had. Besides you think I let just anyone talk about there giant junk when I am sitting around here with hamster nuts :banghead: , I don't think so :wink:

I am sitting around here with hamster nuts :banghead:
EWWWWW!

Hey buddy, don't be blue. Who lets you push more of my buttons than I knew I had. Besides you think I let just anyone talk about there giant junk when I am sitting around here with hamster nuts :banghead: , I don't think so :wink:
:rofl: I don't push that many buttons do I? You do give in a lot and let me get by with a lot....Oh damn, that ass "zap" tickle thing is true :uhoh:

:rofl: I don't push that many buttons do I? You do give in a lot and let me get by with a lot....Oh damn, that ass "zap" tickle thing is true :uhoh:
Bringing my business out into the public like that. I take back all the nice things I said about you :rolleyes:

Sorry, continue to shower me with praise.

Sorry, continue to shower me with praise.

Dude, you were a great President and my hero.

Dude, you were a great President and my hero.
Thanks man.

Your welcome. Regardless of what else is said on the other thread.

Thanks, anyone else want to join poor in worshiping me? No wonder god created so many people....

Ok guys I am heading to bed and if I don''t wake up. I want you all to pray for me to finally have a respectable set of junk in the here after. Later

Lmao, night!

Well, at least send us a message of the afterlife telling us the truth about what it actually is. And if you talk to god, tell him to make my life not suck so much anymore.

I call dibs on the Formula when he kicks the bucket....Tell god this "dear god, I hate you." See if he really has a sense of humor.

Fine, I get the supercharger he just got, because its not in the car!

Fine, I get his house, err card board box he lives in.

Fine, I get his dog and the land his box sits on. Now get off my property!

Fine, I get his computer...you keep the mouse and keyboard tho. They're kinda sticky

I get ALL the tools and equipment he had for working on his cars. I also get ALL the blocks and engine parts too!

Fine, I get his pee drinking grandma and sister.

Fine, I get his pee drinking grandma and sister.

ROFL! I don't know how I'm gonna top that one.
I get his old sneakers and the refridgerator.

Fine, I get his credit cards and money. I bet he'll smile when he sees how we'll make sure to take care of all his possessions when he's gone.

I am saying God was the begining. Energy is present always. I am saying I believe God started the ball rolling.


Where did god come from then? Or is this just not questioned?

I would like to know that too....thanks for getting this back on topic.

Fine, I get his credit cards and money. I bet he'll smile when he sees how we'll make sure to take care of all his possessions when he's gone.

I was thinking that too. We're gonna be in big trouble tomorrow when he discovers how we divided up all his stuff and how we don't care that he's dead.

Where did god come from then? Or is this just not questioned?

Honestly, the answer is hard to grasp for anybody. But god has always been around. He didn't come from anywhere. He's always been there. Try to think outside the box. Outside the realm of time. I can barely do it.

I think he'll be happy that we'll go out of our way to secure his assets. That's what good friends would do.

Well of course, and everything will go to good use. You're right, he should be pleased.

wel... I get his AF account...I'm screwing you BOTH over :evillol:

Agreed. Back on topic, it's hard for us to grasp the concept that there was time before we're alive. We're told that it happened and how supposedly, but we can't prove that it really did. I put my faith in the fact that there is a god and would one day like to be able to understand that better. I would like to learn about all the different dimensions besides the ones we live in.

wel... I get his AF account...I'm screwing you BOTH over :evillol:
Damn, Damn, Damn...Poor, how did you let me forget about that?

Damn, Damn, Damn...Poor, how did you let me forget about that?

Shit, I forgot about that one. I guess I need to think a little more outside the box.

I'm still pretty psyched about his pee drinking grandma! I'm glad I got dibs on her!

I would like to learn about all the different dimensions besides the ones we live in.

They're (scientists and stuff) saying that they have now discovered 11 dimensions that we live in. I think its made up because they derived a special theory that explains most of the universe. Its called the 'string theory'. Apparently, they believe that the universe and everything in it operates on a series of movements and vibrations from these so-called strings.

Talk about a stretch of the imagination! And they say the Bible is a load of crap!

I'm still pretty psyched about his pee drinking grandma! I'm glad I got dibs on her!

Yeah, I'll admit it, it was a good call.

.. its so hard for us to grasp things that we know nothing about such as other dimensions and what not...like imagine: a dog.....dogs cannot see colors.... imagine you whole life not knowing that the world has color, you wouldnt know any better and you would think thats the way the world really is, but its not and you miss out on the beauty of a lot of things. thats how we are...somewhat. not really able to grasp things that we cant see or understand. Or iimagine a dog's nose...its so sensitive, its almost like a pair of eyes...we cant imagine a world like

or maybe....the world as we know...isnt even at all what we physically see....maybe there is so much going on that we cant perceive

And that's a good point. There's no one there to point out what we are actually missing, so we have to take everything at face value. But we usually don't need much more than that to get through life, as long as we mind our own business.

wish i had something constructive to add to that comment :dunno:

They're (scientists and stuff) saying that they have now discovered 11 dimensions that we live in. I think its made up because they derived a special theory that explains most of the universe. Its called the 'string theory'. Apparently, they believe that the universe and everything in it operates on a series of movements and vibrations from these so-called strings.

Talk about a stretch of the imagination! And they say the Bible is a load of crap!

Uh hem.. made up, of course it is. Hence the term "theory." The string theory is what unites the 4 fundamental forces of the universe, Strong, Weak, Gravity, and Electromagnetic. It's what binds Quantum Mechanics and Astro Physics together to help explain the universe and how it works. Before the string theory was ever introduced, Quantum Mechanics and Astro Physics were completely incompatible and made no sense when it came to trying to understand the 2 fields. If you don't undertsand the string theory and it's complexity, then you really have no room to judge it or criticize it for that matter.

Where did god come from then? Or is this just not questioned?
Sometimes even though we can't see, touch or taste things we must go around being lead by blind faith. Well its not a must but it sure does make things easier. I like to think of it like a he was the only thing there from the beginning and gave a piece of himself to create everything that is out there. Sure we can question where everything came from and science can't even answer that. So why is religion the more questionable thing to grasp. Is the idea of a supreme being with a higher existence than any of our own that hard to grasp or must we be the center of the universe simply cause we are here, now. Everything got where it is somehow and thats a fact.

well... I get his AF account...I'm screwing you BOTH over :evillol:
Damn, Damn, Damn...Poor, how did you let me forget about that?Thats fine by me. When John kicks the bucket, I'll just ban his account and this way each of you can take turns owning it for post whoring in Banlandia.

:icon16:

TS out

Man talk about a bunch of total postwhores... I checked this yesterady at about 5:00 and there was 4 pages... I check it this morning and now there's 10? WTF?

Man talk about a bunch of total postwhores... I checked this yesterady at about 5:00 and there was 4 pages... I check it this morning and now there's 10? WTF?
I couldn't agree more. Its starting to get a little out of hand.

I couldn't agree more. Its starting to get a little out of hand.

poormillionair2, :uhoh: :banhim:


666_speed, :rolleyes: :banhim: :1:

Yeah, they're even making me not look like I have 10K posts in a year and a half..

they completely ransacked the Pontiac forums. :dunno:

they completely ransacked the Pontiac forums. :dunno:

:rofl: I didnt believe it.. but I just looked and they have.. man thats crazy.. gave me a good laugh though especialy in the firefly forum. :grinno:

Okay, okay, nevermind.. all those threads they made were hilarious.. I almost peed myself but thankfully I went to the restroom before I got on AF.. hilarious stuff, but it did get really out of hand.

Sorry guys, I'll stop. I'll try to keep topics on topic.

I'm not saying that the bulk got a little funny, but none the less a little annoyingly redundant.

And alot of them are getting locked..............

they completely ransacked the Pontiac forums. :dunno::disappoin I am so disappointed and pissed that I can't even convey how much I am. I just checked and I find it totally uncalled for that a few members out of one of the best sections in AF actually did all that.

Let me make it perfectly clear here.

The next person that goes to another section and post whores/disrupt/disrespect any section and tries to disrupt the normal course of things will be permanently banned. Thats right you read it correctly Permanently Banned, no more warnings, no freaking excuses, Banned. I don't care who it is. If you do not want your section to be plundered like that then don't do it elsewhere, show them the respect they deserve and I am sure the respect will be returned.

Again, next one will be sent to Banlandia.

Oh and don't come apologizing to me or anyone in this section, I expect an apology to the Pontiac members/moderators in their section by the very same folks that created this damn mess.

TS

I am very sorry for my behavior and it won't happen again. I just posted a formal apology in the general section of the Pontiac forums. Thanks for not banning our asses.

But...back on topic.

Uh hem.. made up, of course it is. Hence the term "theory." The string theory is what unites the 4 fundamental forces of the universe, Strong, Weak, Gravity, and Electromagnetic. It's what binds Quantum Mechanics and Astro Physics together to help explain the universe and how it works. Before the string theory was ever introduced, Quantum Mechanics and Astro Physics were completely incompatible and made no sense when it came to trying to understand the 2 fields. If you don't undertsand the string theory and it's complexity, then you really have no room to judge it or criticize it for that matter.

But seeing that they had to magically come up with 7 new dimensions for this theory to work is ridiculous. That's like saying a stock civic runs 10's :lol:, then making up a scenario and conditions to make that statement true. But it can't actually be proved.

I did apologize in a PM, trying to keep this out of the threads.

But seeing that they had to magically come up with 7 new dimensions for this theory to work is ridiculous. That's like saying a stock civic runs 10's :lol:, then making up a scenario and conditions to make that statement true. But it can't actually be proved.

Magically come up?? They didn't "magically come up with anything. String theory is thought to include some 10, 11 or 26 dimensions, depending on the specific theory and on the point of view. You can't even begin to compare a scientific theory to a Civic running 10's... Of course none of this can ever be proved in our lifetime, or even our childrens lifetime. Our technology just simply isnt advanced enough to prove any of it. But as I said before... If you don't completely understand the string theory, then you really have no room to criticize it. I really think you should read up on some of it's material. Wikipedia.com has a very nice section on it. Maybe even this help explain some of it to you: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/hawking/mysteries/html/uns_kaku2-1.html. All I'm saying, is to try to fully understand what the theory is before you dismiss it and criticize it.

Ok just read through all ten pages, heres something to chew on.

If you dont believe(or if you do) explain to me what happens when you die? Where does your mind go?(you, your soul, etc) Does it just turn off like a computer or do you go into another place i.e. afterlife? I believe there is one god, i dont go to church on a regular basis or anything. And the whole god created the universe thing its like the chicken and the egg. Gotta go to work now.

Magically come up?? They didn't "magically come up with anything. String theory is thought to include some 10, 11 or 26 dimensions, depending on the specific theory and on the point of view. You can't even begin to compare a scientific theory to a Civic running 10's... Of course none of this can ever be proved in our lifetime, or even our childrens lifetime. Our technology just simply isnt advanced enough to prove any of it. But as I said before... If you don't completely understand the string theory, then you really have no room to criticize it. I really think you should read up on some of it's material. Wikipedia.com has a very nice section on it. Maybe even this help explain some of it to you: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/hawking/mysteries/html/uns_kaku2-1.html. All I'm saying, is to try to fully understand what the theory is before you dismiss it and criticize it.

so there isn't anyone who can criticize string theory then? Since you know the theory isn't even complete yet.

I suppose by your reasoning you also can't dismiss that there is a higher being. Since the only people that understand it are die hard believers.

I think what holds up any belief is faith. Since nothing can be 100% proven fact, then people have to fill in the gaps with faith.

calling something a "theory" is just a nice was of saying the guesser is well educated.

calling something a "theory" is just a nice was of saying the guesser is well educated.

That's a very good point. Looking at the scientific world from that perspective, not a lot of things would hold up. Like Darwin's THEORY...which happens to be the platform for a lot of scientific beliefs.
But who's to say what is what?

Most things we put faith into being correct in life. Numbers for example. We accept all these formulas in algebra to be true even though they seem stupid and illogical, we put faith that these answers are correct. History too, we didn't witness it but we put faith that it is true. I put faith in a god, but not hell or anything like that.

I put faith in a god, but not hell or anything like that.

So, what is the opposite of god and the opposite of heaven? Is there a balance?

Opposite of god is Satan. Opposite of heaven is death, just my thought though.

so there isn't anyone who can criticize string theory then? Since you know the theory isn't even complete yet.

I suppose by your reasoning you also can't dismiss that there is a higher being. Since the only people that understand it are die hard believers.

No, of course there are plenty of people who citicize the string theory. But I would just like for people to understand the concept of it before they criticize it.

Never did I even think of dismissing there being a God, I'm a firm believer myself.

This thread makes my head hurt. I'm not going to look at it again. :sadwavey:

Haha, it's interresting. I love hearing others view points on things that you cannot be certain of.

Opposite of god is Satan. Opposite of heaven is death, just my thought though.Correct me if I am wrong, and I am playing Devils Advocate here (no pun intended) but isn't Satan a fallen angel, thus an angel that God him/her/itself created in his own image (Thats another topic to touch on, see below), so if Satan/Lucifer is a fallen Angel then that implies that God has no opposite. That the Devil/Satan/Lucifer is not God equal in evil but part of Gods creation which can consist of good and evil. The other angels also have good and evil within them (much like we do being we are also Gods creation) but 99.9 percent of them decided not to go to the dark side, only Lucifer.

Now to other points which this thread brings up and are quite interesting.
1-If God made Lucifer (since he defied him and made him take the dark side) why would God give him powers to counteract each good decision that God makes. I find that strange and quite stupid to give someone that is attacking your every move and wants to have his hellish kingdom in charge the powers just like yours that can make it happen. :screwy:
2-If God created the angels as well as Adam and Eve (the so called starters of the human race) and created them in his own image as well as his only son Jesus, would it be too far fetch to say that we are also the son and daughters of God. That Jesus is not the only son of God and just our brother since we are from the same family.
3-if we are also sons and daughters of God since we are basically like him, then aren't we Gods ourselves but with the only difference that we haven't utiltize all our powers (considering we only use 3% of our brains).

TS out

Ts, you bring up some good points.

But, do you remember the ill fated 5th Star Trek movie? Do you remember what happened to Cpt. Kirk when he asked "God" for his I.D. ?

I'd watch my back if I were you :uhoh:

TS... you rock.

Ts, you bring up some good points.

But, do you remember the ill fated 5th Star Trek movie? Do you remember what happened to Cpt. Kirk when he asked "God" for his I.D. ?

I'd watch my back if I were you :uhoh:
:lol: Trust me I have a iron plated back brace from all the back stabbing already, I am well prepared. (but that doesn't mean he'll struck me down with a bolt of lightning.) :lol:

TS out (showing with Holy water)

I've never seen that move Wright, please elaborate. TS, those are interesting points, the devil was at one time an angel as were the demons. Hmmm....I don't know...

That's what I've always been taught. God doesn't want you to serve him to help yourself, you're supposed to serve god because you want to serve him with no selfish motives. How can anyone actually worship a god without hoping to get some benefit from it?

that makes god the selfish one, no??

It was one of the few fights, Cpt. Kirk the brawler, actually got his ass handed to him (of course, he's fight ing with "God", duh).

Alright the footnoted version:

Spock's little known "half-brother" kidnapped from an outpost, a Terran (earth), A Klingon, and Romulan. So o fcourse, the only ship that could recue them was the Enterprise which the crew ended up being ambushed. Anyway, Spock is 1/2 human half Vulcan. But he thinks in the way of the Vulcans and dismisses religion for logic. his brother on the other hand is the other way around and was exhiled from Vulcan for it.

So Spock's brother cooked up this scheme by taking a starship (enterprise in this case) to the center of the universe where "God" is.

Actually, Im going to stop there, it equates heavily to your poll, even tho it is not one of the better Trek movies, i encourage you to whatch it, it covers alot of the different opinions here.

I've never seen that move Wright, please elaborate. wiki and google are your firends. See here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_5).

maybe its me, but i like the movie.

TS out (In search of Spock)

maybe its me, but i like the movie.

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It was writen well but fell apart in Shatner's tragic attempt at directing. Guess He was jealous after Nemoy's rather good attemp with IV :dunno:

Remeber.

that makes god the selfish one, no??
actually, you're supposed to serve him to better yourself and to thank him for giving you life and for possibly him letting you into the eternal paradise known as heaven... i mean seriously..whats the problem with just being a good person for a mere..100 years so that you can be in paradise for eternity...eternity is a looong time

and whats your definition of "serving him" thats so bad?? All you have to do is accept him and thank him for giving your soul life and be a good person. being a good person already pays off in life, and it definitely will in the afterlife, accept him- thats just a mental choice, and thank him-ten minutes a day pray, you dont even have to go to church..church is more like a place to learn... so.. whats the downside?

Okay, I also see your what you are saying, but what about those poor souls (no pun intended) that faithfully believe in the Almighty and his teachings and do no wrong, help the common man (and woman), obey laws, blah blah blah and yet get a sickness like cancer (be it breast, lung, prostate) or get killed, or raped etc etc. Whats the message God is giving that person. That there are bad people in the world. Duh, like thats not obvious. Excuse my french, but F**K that. Its pretty messed up and very sick mindset for a supreme being to do or allow that to happen to his so called children.

TS out (surely burning in hell for all these comments)

I agree 100% TS, that's why I voted I don't think god cares about us. He's god, why did he have to prove to Satan that we would still worship him? He's god, who cares what anyone else thinks...Is it really going to cause us to lose faith in god if he destroyed anyone who dared challenge him?

The next person that posts sucks. :lol:

Go ahead John I dare you post now. :lol:

TS out

Edit: damn it, it wasn't john.

there are two ends of the spectrum...what about the people that do God's will and are blessed with happiness? Sometimes, its just a person's time to go. YOur saying death like its a bad thing...It is a bad thing to us here on this world cuz the person may be no longer with us. Yes, there are bad people in this world...God gave us free will...choices. there are countless situations where people have been blessed and protected from something horrible that could have happened. happens all the time. sometimes things happens so that we can learn from the experience.

Yea..uh..put that paragraph in order cuz....its not

and i dont suck...im a pimp :pimp:

I meant that for John, who will post next and does suck. :evillol:

btw, going back to what I wrote, what lesson is that person suppose to learn. The one that has a bad sickness or got raped, What lesson is God trying to tell that person. According to you there is a lesson to be learn, well tell me in those cases whats the lesson?

TS out

Okay, I also see your what you are saying, but what about those poor souls (no pun intended) that faithfully believe in the Almighty and his teachings and do no wrong, help the common man (and woman), obey laws, blah blah blah and yet get a sickness like cancer (be it breast, lung, prostate) or get killed, or raped etc etc. Whats the message God is giving that person. That there are bad people in the world. Duh, like thats not obvious. Excuse my french, but F**K that. Its pretty messed up and very sick mindset for a supreme being to do or allow that to happen to his so called children.

TS out (surely burning in hell for all these comments)
Wow I usually agree with TS but completely 100% disagree with you here. There are many illnesses such as cancer that are caused by not eating right and lack of exercise and taking stimulants that are unhealthy. Like its said, treat your body like a temple. If I ate 2 lbs of rat poison would it be god fault I died?. Is god to blame for someone who smoked the majority of there life getting lung cancer?. I don't think so. Also rape is done by man , god didn't come down and rape anyone last I heard (infact I bet with the virgin Mary he put on a little Barry White and got out some body oils :uhoh: ). Like has been said, most of the evils and good that take place are the work of man. Most people that lead healthy lives and learn as much as humanly possible don't have conditions like that, that take place. Do bad things happen to good people. Absolutely, but bad people do them but on the other side of the coin. Do bad people sometimes have good people do good things for them?.

That post totally confused me, but the god joke made me laugh.

I meant that for John, who will post next and does suck. :evillol:


:rofl: Anyone else get a huge laugh out of this? I thought it was hilarious that John posted..

That post totally confused me, but the god joke made me laugh.Don't you realise that Johns religion is confuse_us. :lol:

:rofl: Anyone else get a huge laugh out of this? I thought it was hilarious that John posted..Besides Admin, my other qualification is Medium, I saw him coming. :lol:

TS out

There are many illnesses such as cancer that are caused by not eating right and lack of exercise and taking stimulants that are unhealthy. Like its said, treat your body like a temple. If I ate 2 lbs of rat poison would it be god fault I died?. Is god to blame for someone who smoked the majority of there life getting lung cancer?. I don't think so.

Well, not to argue with what you said, as I already stated in my previous post, I am a firm believer in God. But, I do have my doubts from time to time on certain topics...

So my rebuttle... What about the men and women that get breast cancer? That's a genetically inhereited trait. No one brings that upon themselves.

Well, not to argue with what you said, as I already stated in my previous post, I am a firm believer in God. But, I do have my doubts from time to time on certain topics...

So my rebuttle... What about the men and women that get breast cancer? That's a genetically inhereited trait. No one brings that upon themselves.
Everyone has there time to go and unless good people go to hell now. I doubt going to heaven is a punishment. Now there are also other issue's that would have to require death like over population for instance. Everything happens for a reason. Who are we to judge if its happening for the good of man kind or not?. Thats like saying why did god allow someone like Hitler to be born. It was the upbringing and his environment that made him into the murdering tyrant he was.

Everyone has there time to go and unless good people go to hell now. I doubt going to heaven is a punishment. Now there are also other issue's that would have to require death like over population for instance. Everything happens for a reason. Who are we to judge if its happening for the good of man kind or not?. Thats like saying why did god allow someone like Hitler to be born. It was the upbringing and his environment that made him into the murdering tyrant he was.

Just like to clear some things up, according to the bible it doesn't matter whether you are good, bad, or ugly, all that matters to get into heaven is that you believe with your heart and confess with your soul that Jesus died on the cross so that we may have eternal life and except him into your heart, you will be saved.

Being a good person has nothing to do with anything really. There is a story in the bible of a man who was very wealthy, he had dozens of dogs that would travel with him and lick him (in that time they thought dog licks healed ailments). The wealthy man with all the dogs walked past a homeless person who happened to be sick. The wealthy man allowed his dogs to lick the homeless person than he gave him money, which was seen as a very noble act of that time. Shortly after the man died (think he got run over by a horse or something), but since he hadn't except christ into his heart he went to hell. Theres more to the story but thats the summery.

I wonder if anyone will read this after my "better nate than lever story"

Just like to clear some things up, according to the bible it doesn't matter whether you are good, bad, or ugly, all that matters to get into heaven is that you believe with your heart and confess with your soul that Jesus died on the cross so that we may have eternal life and except him into your heart, you will be saved.
See thats the thing. I don't believe everything in the bible and I have my own beliefs. The bible was written by man not god. So therefore I refuse to blindly follow it without question. I have my own beliefs in life and how I think being a good or bad person effects your everyday life. So while I will not dismiss your right to believe or not to believe anything you like. There is no need for you to clear up what I am saying about my beliefs cause I am not quoting the bible or any message I got from god just what I believe.

I see so many things here that I do not agree with, that I don't even know where to begin.
Just like to clear some things up, according to the bible it doesn't matter whether you are good, bad, or ugly, all that matters to get into heaven is that you believe with your heart and confess with your soul that Jesus died on the cross so that we may have eternal life and except him into your heart, you will be saved.This is one of those topics that really drives me nuts about. You you are saying that unless a person (regardless of who they are and where they came from and what religion they accept/practice/preach) that if they do not accept our Lord Jesus Christ as their savior that they will not be saved and be accepted into the kingdom of heaven. Man, can that idea ever be so narrow minded. Give me a break. I guess Lucifer/Satan/The Devil better make alot of freaking room cause theres' gonna be a whole lot of people going to join him in hell. I guess only Christians will be saved and every one else be damned. :screwy: Un huh, so I guess so much for all those other religions that take up 2/3 of the world.

Being a good person has nothing to do with anything really. There is a story in the bible of a man who was very wealthy, he had dozens of dogs that would travel with him and lick him (in that time they thought dog licks healed ailments). The wealthy man with all the dogs walked past a homeless person who happened to be sick. The wealthy man allowed his dogs to lick the homeless person than he gave him money, which was seen as a very noble act of that time. Shortly after the man died (think he got run over by a horse or something), but since he hadn't except christ into his heart he went to hell. Theres more to the story but thats the summery.That story has been said, rewrote and retold so many times in so many different ways that I could honestly say anyone reading it can interprete it any way they like. From the story has been told in Medieval times as a folk song in England, then as a traditional spiritual one. To modern day parables and honoring of saints such as San Lazaro in Cuba. Its funny but that story of Lazarus and Dives (latin word for Rich Man) gives the impression that the Rich Man died and was sent to hell because he was Rich and did not give any of his riches to the poor full of sores lazarus (who went to heaven). So is the Bible stating that all rich folks are to burn in hell. Unless they spread their wealth to the poor, thus making everyone have the same amount and make it even. hmmmm thats sure sounds like Communism to me. (but thats for another day to discuss). To me it doesn't make much sense to hear that accepting Jesus will get you into the Kindgom of heaven, but if you don't then you will burn in hell. Wow.


This is Gods diary, History of the world Part 1.:lol: Also known as the Bible.
hmmm I am bored. Okay I created the Universe, and angels to keep me company. We joke, we play. One of my best friends Lucifier pissed me off for not agreeing to my rules, so I cast him out. A few lesser idiots (his team) follow him, screw them, who needs them. oh but wait. let me give him some powers just like me as a reward for pissing me off, this way he can piss me off even more.
Okay that was fun, but I am still bored these angels all they do is play harp all day. Lucifer is busy setting up his kingdom so I need someone. I therefore created one guy since I am still lonely (yes I have a lonely complex, sue me), that guy ends up lonely himself so I give him a gal. I stand back and see the little children play. Oh, but I tell them they can have anything in the garden but not from that Tree in the middle. (On afterthought, I do not know why I even put that tree there) . Anyway my ex buddy Lucifer has finally set up shop and is trying out his new powers. He gets the girl to eat the forbidden fruit and although I am God and I can see past present and future, I somehow did not see this coming and it pissed me off, so I bannished the two out of the garden. (although what I should have done was kick Lucifiers ass and taken away his powers, but eh the story would end too quickly and I'll be back to being bored).
actually this pissed me off so much that I took some time off (2 weeks my time, 10,000 years their time) and left my angels to overlook things. I swear to myself, what was I thinking, man did they screw things up.
In this time frame the two that were banished had sex, and multiplied and had sex with their children and grandchildren. It was one hell (pardon the expression) incest of a party, still they had to expand and there was no way else how to do it. So I'll overlook that for now. For some reason, something happened along the way that some of the children turned really white, some really black, others brown and others yellow. Oh well, I guess adding more color will spiced things up around here.

:lol: I could go on, but I take it you will get what I am trying to point out that relying on one book which I truly believe was written by man to control man can be interpreted in so many ways by so many people that it borderlines on dangerous.

TS out (playing tag with Jhvh and Lucifer)

Dave that was awesome, could not have done that any better myself.

You you are saying that unless a person (regardless of who they are and where they came from and what religion they accept/practice/preach) that if they do not accept our Lord Jesus Christ as their savior that they will not be saved and be accepted into the kingdom of heaven. Man, can that idea ever be so narrow minded.

Yes thats true....ummm.. why would the Lord let you into his kingdom of heaven if you dont even beleive in him...come on...think...

Un huh, so I guess so much for all those other religions that take up 2/3 of the world.

we dont know who's wrong or right tho...maybe i'm doomed to come back as a snake in the next life or somethin cuz i dont beleive their religion

So is the Bible stating that all rich folks are to burn in hell. Unless they spread their wealth to the poor, thus making everyone have the same amount and make it even. hmmmm thats sure sounds like Communism to me.

no the bible is stating dont die rich...

(but thats for another day to discuss). To me it doesn't make much sense to hear that accepting Jesus will get you into the Kindgom of heaven, but if you don't then you will burn in hell. Wow.
see first statement....would you...meaning dave aka twospirits... let someone come live with you, in your house if they didnt even beleive that you exist?


One of my best friends Lucifier pissed me off for not agreeing to my rules, so I cast him out. A few lesser idiots (his team) follow him, screw them, who needs them. oh but wait. let me give him some powers just like me as a reward for pissing me off, this way he can piss me off even more.

Lucifer already had a lot of power before he was cast away. He was one of the most powerful angels. And its not like "o he didnt agree with me" its more like "o he wants to overthrow me, be the supreme ruler of my kingdom and take over all of creation"

I hate when people are dying, people on death row even, and the last day they have the preacher or whatever come in and they "repent" and "accept god" and supposedly they're going to heaven. Their regretting dying at this particular time is supposed to negate the fact they were horrible people. All of religion and their beliefs piss me off...

I hate when people are dying, people on death row even, and the last day they have the preacher or whatever come in and they "repent" and "accept god" and supposedly they're going to heaven. Their regretting dying at this particular time is supposed to negate the fact they were horrible people. All of religion and their beliefs piss me off...

i dont beleive that works

I think this all goes to the core concept of blind faith. Some people see a need for something like god, heaven and hell.... some people find the whole concept rediculous. If ANYTHING on this earth happened that could truly be an undeniable sign of the existance of god and all that goes along with him/her/it, then I would believe... however, as far as I have seen, you're just as well off having the lord of the rings being your religion... you all should read the silmarillion some time, it's amazing hoe bible-esque it is while being completely made up by JRR Tolkien... the bible no doubt was a sort of model for it, but still I've seen as much reason to believe that is the divine truth as to believe the same of the bible.

I think this all goes to the core concept of blind faith. Some people see a need for something like god, heaven and hell.... some people find the whole concept rediculous. If ANYTHING on this earth happened that could truly be an undeniable sign of the existance of god and all that goes along with him/her/it, then I would believe... however, as far as I have seen, you're just as well off having the lord of the rings being your religion... you all should read the silmarillion some time, it's amazing hoe bible-esque it is while being completely made up by JRR Tolkien... the bible no doubt was a sort of model for it, but still I've seen as much reason to believe that is the divine truth as to believe the same of the bible.
But you still can't get past the fact that the bible and christianity were the first .... all other religons and beliefs came after the fact... so that brings up the question... where did they come from... I mean... If we were created then where was the "creator" at the time... a religon cant just come about half way through a lifetime? and you say the book by JRR Tolkien, which you find belief in, was modeled after the bible, ok... so... I'm seeing a trended here....

I think this all goes to the core concept of blind faith. Some people see a need for something like god, heaven and hell.... some people find the whole concept rediculous. If ANYTHING on this earth happened that could truly be an undeniable sign of the existance of god and all that goes along with him/her/it, then I would believe... however, as far as I have seen, you're just as well off having the lord of the rings being your religion... you all should read the silmarillion some time, it's amazing hoe bible-esque it is while being completely made up by JRR Tolkien... the bible no doubt was a sort of model for it, but still I've seen as much reason to believe that is the divine truth as to believe the same of the bible.

boy, having a life without hope or something to look forward to must suck...

I think this all goes to the core concept of blind faith. Some people see a need for something like god, heaven and hell.... some people find the whole concept rediculous. If ANYTHING on this earth happened that could truly be an undeniable sign of the existance of god and all that goes along with him/her/it, then I would believe... however, as far as I have seen, you're just as well off having the lord of the rings being your religion... you all should read the silmarillion some time, it's amazing hoe bible-esque it is while being completely made up by JRR Tolkien... the bible no doubt was a sort of model for it, but still I've seen as much reason to believe that is the divine truth as to believe the same of the bible.
:lol: I know you just suggested that cause of how much the Elf community was seen as a high order and mystical force in that movie :uhoh: (Damn, I hope thats not the real religion especially after all the elf cracks towards Kasey). Anyway I agree with stepho on his part of having no faith or hope. I would rather be lead around blindly with hope that there is a greater purpose out there for my life than just go day to day with the good and bad thinking thats all there is. I think we should live life one 1/4 mile at a time :rofl: . Sorry I had to but I was serious about the rest. Thinking thats it and this is it, thats just sad :frown: .

Wow, I missed a lot in the last few days. I think I caught up on all the posts that I missed and I will try to add my useless opinions.
God created Lucifer and the most powerful angel of all heaven and God's creations. He was, in essence, to be God's second in command. But Lucifer was greedy and power-hungry and wanted more. He wanted to be Top Dog and tried to overthrow God in his kingdom. 1/3 (one-third) of the existing angles in Heaven sided with Lucifer. The other 2/3 with God and they fought. Lucifer lost (obviously), and God cast him and his followers into what is now Hell.
Now people ask, why would God allow this to happen? Because God gives people choice. It would be considered tyrannical to make everyone believe in the same thing and worship the same god. We see it in movies all the time, the person in power wanted everyone under thier control to submit to them. But not everyone feels they should. That's how Lucifer was. That's why Adam and eve failed in the Garden of Eden, that's why bad people and bad things exist today.

But you still can't get past the fact that the bible and christianity were the first .... all other religons and beliefs came after the fact... so that brings up the question... where did they come from... I mean... If we

wrong wrong majorly f'ing wrong

Greek religion much? Judaism?

Assuming greeks to have the first religion (I am not sure of the things predating them), where did it come from? Simple: the desire to unserstand things that they could not figure out. They didn't have the science and technology to know what we do now, so had to make up possible explanations. Now that we have proved things liek it ain't Zeus up there tossing lightning down, we dismiss the earlier beliefs as myths.

hey... i found this crap on other dimensions... it will help you understand the concept of more than 3 dimensions with animation...or... your head will implode from trying to visualize

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/dimensions.html

That's pretty neat.

I saw a video about string theory in my physics class... I fell asleep though.

I don't know why physics videos alway have music that puts you to sleep.

I saw a video about string theory in my physics class... I fell asleep though.

I don't know why physics videos alway have music that puts you to sleep.

Cause that shit is borrrrrrrriiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg.

There was a school around here that showed Brokeback Mountain to the students without parents signing a permission slip...They got in some trouble haha...

Cause that shit is borrrrrrrriiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg.

Of course it is... if you're not open minded.

There was a school around here that showed Brokeback Mountain to the students without parents signing a permission slip...They got in some trouble haha...

Yeah but honestly.. aside from chicks who wants to see that?

2 gays and they went to this mountain.. roll credits, the end.

Yeah but honestly.. aside from chicks who wants to see that?

2 gays and they went to this mountain.. roll credits, the end.If that is what you get out of that film, then you have much to learn young skywalker.

As for the school teachers getting in trouble for showing that film, it all depends on numerous factors.
1-If the school previously notified parents of any film they show the students, then yeah. If not, they shouldn't get in trouble.
2-How old are the students. Depending on the age, some kids might start asking a crap load of questions why two guys are kissing or falling in love while having wives.
3-What was the class that was showing the film. Is is a History, Theatre, Film, Social Studies etc etc casue any of those would be fine to show a film like that to illustrate the meaning behind the story and the social impact it has on a society.

Regardless what does this topic have to do with the original topic of believing in God? Until God comes down and specifically says, I hate gays or will not accept them in my kingdom unless they are straight, then I am not going to put my trust in a thousand year old book(s) which were written by man to control the fellow man as fact and which leads to much interpretation.

TS out