so i had my friend's '96 corvette over at my house and my brother wanted us to show off for him. *it's an automatic btw*

decided to do a burnout, so i get the car straightened out in the street, hold down the brake and push the gas in so i can get the tires to spin. nothin really happens, i let off the brake and it goes, nothing impressive at all, just a little hop.

tried it 3 times, all with the same results. i had both the brake and the gas in all the way. am i doing something wrong?

Did you turn off the traction control?

hmm didn't even think about it. i have no idea if it was on or not. my friend said that the car can do much better than what it was doing cuz he's done it before, so maybe that's what went wrong.

What year is the vette?

so i had my friend's '96 corvette

Here you go Bulldog

i have to hold the brake in on my truck when its in drive,but if i put it in 1 it will spin without the brake.a vette should be able to do it without much trouble.does it drive ok when you drive it like normal?

Here you go Bulldog


I failed to comprehend that part...my bad.


96 huh...that's the problem right there, it's a fucking dog.

But seriously, even a 96 should have more than enough grunt to light those tires on fire. I'm afriad the problem is feminine in nature...as in, girls can't drive! :lol:

Holding the brake down too hard?

My aunt has a 1994 Convertible automatic and my dad tried to smoke the tires with the T/C on and the gas pedal came back up, with it off though the car smokes the tires them with ease.

I failed to comprehend that part...my bad.


96 huh...that's the problem right there, it's a fucking dog.

But seriously, even a 96 should have more than enough grunt to light those tires on fire. I'm afriad the problem is feminine in nature...as in, girls can't drive! :lol:
I fail to see a car in your sig capable of taking a stock 96 Auto Vette :rolleyes:.

I fail to see a car in your sig capable of taking a stock 96 Auto Vette :rolleyes:.


I'd bet the ss/sc would have a good chance, and the Camaro will be done in a couple months and it'll destroy c4, c5 and c6 vettes all day.

You do know what stock C4 auto LT1's run , right?

You do know what stock C4 auto LT1's run , right?


Realistically? they're a low 14 second car that can get into the 13's if driven very well.

Now then, take one that's about 10 years old or so and if it hasn't had a rebuild it's good for another .3 -.5 seconds slower than that.


Add this together and the Cobalt fairs a chance against the old Vette. I'm not saying it's a sure thing, but there's still a good chance. Also, I was half joking when I said the 96 vette was a dog, but in reality, it's not a blazing fast car...especially for a sports car in it's price range.

You know what there is no point in arguing over stats, just put it this way. The same exact publication that tested the 95 Auto LT1 which was a carry over got it to achieve a 5.2 0-60 and finished the quarter in 13.7 (I have seen numbers reported by major publication that have achieved as low as 13.2 with these but I want to use the same one that I saw that tested your car) Now your cobalt they got to 0-60 in 6.1 and the quarter in 14.6 . Your car came stock with 205 Horsepower and 200 lbs of torque and weighted in at 2800 + lbs and the Corvette for 96 with the LT1 was making 300 Horsepower and 335 lbs of torque and weighing in at 3200lbs. The reason that someone would try to pass a judgement on a car as "being a fucking dog" when the corvette driver would be able to race you in the quarter have finished be able to get out and get one chuckle out before you finished is besides me.

Well then, why don't you get all upset about it.

On a side note, what I have stated is what I've seen in person, not read in a mag or the net.

Now then, take one that's about 10 years old or so and if it hasn't had a rebuild it's good for another .3 -.5 seconds slower than that..
Really, well maintained 10 year cars lose that much ? WOW :eek: . I wonder how my friends stock (not one single thing touched) 95 LT1 Z28 M6 managed to lay down 255.5 Horsepower at the wheels :rolleyes: . He must have been making like 400 horsepower from the factory :uhoh: .

Really, well maintained 10 year cars lose that much ? WOW :eek: . I wonder how my friends stock (not one single thing touched) 95 LT1 Z28 M6 managed to lay down 255.5 Horsepower at the wheels :rolleyes: . He must have been making like 400 horsepower from the factory :uhoh: .


Lemme guess...I hit a nerve when I called a car that uses your powerplant a "fucking dog." Get over it.

Well then, why don't you get all upset about it.

On a side note, what I have stated is what I've seen in person, not read in a mag or the net.
As well have I. I have owned 3 C4 Vette's and have gone to countless Vette track days and was a 4 year member of the National Corvette owners association. No need just stating what a unbiased publication already stated and what annoys me is because someone is stating other people car as being trash or a "fucking dog" when the fact is it would destroy you. Just a issue in general with people talking about stuff without knowing the facts.

Lemme guess...I hit a nerve when I called a car that uses your powerplant a "fucking dog." Get over it.
No, I have no issue with you talking stuff about LT1/Corvette's/LS1's/Camaro's/Formula/Trans Am. Just that someone that seemed to be proud of there car and putting down a much faster car claiming its a piece. In general bugs me. Go in the Civic or Mustang forums. I see plenty of people talk crap. I just happened to wonder why you were without using any stats or facts. If your going to make a statement about knowing something is slow or crap. Why not state it in fact. You actually have idea what those cars are capable of , infact I would bet money you never even drove one.

As well have I. I have owned 3 C4 Vette's and have gone to countless Vette track days and was a 4 year member of the National Corvette owners association. No need just stating what a unbiased publication already stated and what annoys me is because someone is stating other people car as being trash or a "fucking dog" when the fact is it would destroy you. Just a issue in general with people talking about stuff without knowing the facts.


Trash? Who called a c4 trash? I surely didn't, you must be fabricating things in your fit of rage.

So what your saying is that I can't call a $35,000$ sports car that's only got 300 hp and from what I have seen is a high 13 second car a "fucking dog?" Well if I can't piss and moan about cars that are faster and more expensive than mine, then what the fuck is this site good for?

No, I have no issue with you talking stuff about LT1/Corvette's/LS1's/Camaro's/Formula/Trans Am. Just that someone that seemed to be proud of there car and putting down a much faster car claiming its a piece. In general bugs me. Go in the Civic or Mustang forums. I see plenty of people talk crap. I just happened to wonder why you were without using any stats or facts. If your going to make a statement about knowing something is slow or crap. Why not state it in fact. You actually have idea what those cars are capable of , infact I would bet money you never even drove one.


Again, you are putting words in my mouth. If you can't carry on with this little tiff we are having without making things up, then just stop, because it's pathetic.

You know what this isn't my section and I want to present myself like a mature Representative for this site. So your right, you calling that Vette a "fucking dog" (thats in no way implying its crap) and now stating its based on its original sticker price (let me think who makes arguments about how much people spent on there car) and your Cobalt and solid rear axle camaro is a "true American sports car" . C4 Vettes are no good. Your right. I'm done. You win.

You know what this isn't my section and I want to present myself like a mature Representative for this site. So your right, you calling that Vette a "fucking dog" (thats in no way implying its crap) and now stating its based on its original sticker price (let me think who makes arguments about how much people spent on there car) and your Cobalt and solid rear axle camaro is a "true American sports car" . C4 Vettes are no good. Your right. I'm done. You win.


The Cobalt would fall under the "sport compact" market and the Camaro is a "pony" car, which is closely related to muscle cars. The Corvette is the only real sports (2 door, 2 seat) car here. Again, I never said it's no good.

To drop the subject cause your right and I'm wrong bulldog but someone already mentioned the answer and I am well aware of it too. The traction control is a default on those cars. It needs to be shut off on those cars or else the car will not let you accelerate to the point where the rear wheels are traveling faster than the front wheel sensor are registering the vehicle is traveling.

It's Tranction Control my friend has a 93 lt1 same thing just turn it off...

I think burnouts are pointless, unless you're warming up your drag radials or slicks. Otherwise it's a waste of tire and puts a lot of stress on the drivetrain, especially if you're wheel hopping.

To drop the subject cause your right and I'm wrong bulldog but someone already mentioned the answer and I am well aware of it too. The traction control is a default on those cars. It needs to be shut off on those cars or else the car will not let you accelerate to the point where the rear wheels are traveling faster than the front wheel sensor are registering the vehicle is traveling.


I understand my calling a vehicle that you have an affinity for a "dog" would bug you, but don't judge my thoughts on the total worth of the c4 from one tounge and cheek statement that I made, and I'll give you a great example why what I said shouldnt be taken to heart.

Just next month I should be buying a mid 60's vehicle that will replace my Cobalt as my daily driver (I'm not going to give the identity of this vehicle away because that would spoil my fun.) But, this is a V8 car and in it's day was considered a somewhat "fast" car. But in reality there are D series Honda's that could give it a run for it's money in stock form. This is a car that I truely would call a "total fucking dog." But, it's still a kickass car with a ton of charm and charisma and is very reliable. Now then, just because I say this vehicle is a dog does not mean in any way that I think this car is a peice of crap or anything of that nature. I think it's a great car that just needs some polishing from some aftermarket parts to help it out a bit.

This is the same way I feel about the c4 and in a lot of ways, the c5 vettes. I love them, and think they're very cool cars, but I think they need a bit of help is all.


Anyway, what I'm trying to say is just don't take my half-assed statements seriously...no one else around here does. ;)

I understand my calling a vehicle that you have an affinity for a "dog" would bug you, but don't judge my thoughts on the total worth of the c4 from one tounge and cheek statement that I made, and I'll give you a great example why what I said shouldnt be taken to heart.

Just next month I should be buying a mid 60's vehicle that will replace my Cobalt as my daily driver (I'm not going to give the identity of this vehicle away because that would spoil my fun.) But, this is a V8 car and in it's day was considered a somewhat "fast" car. But in reality there are D series Honda's that could give it a run for it's money in stock form. This is a car that I truely would call a "total fucking dog." But, it's still a kickass car with a ton of charm and charisma and is very reliable. Now then, just because I say this vehicle is a dog does not mean in any way that I think this car is a peice of crap or anything of that nature. I think it's a great car that just needs some polishing from some aftermarket parts to help it out a bit.

This is the same way I feel about the c4 and in a lot of ways, the c5 vettes. I love them, and think they're very cool cars, but I think they need a bit of help is all.


Anyway, what I'm trying to say is just don't take my half-assed statements seriously...no one else around here does. ;)
I am sure if I looked threw there real hard I would find a half assed apology :lol: , so its all good but I often tell my members when someone comes into my sections (Camaro or Firebird forums) that someone stating a car is slow or not powerful is subjective. So if I was skimming threw the sections like I normally do and saw a LT1 C4 Vette is slow comment. I would have skipped right over it and figured, ok a mid 13's 1/4 car is slow to this guy. Thats understandable.

Mid 13's is nothing special to me but when you post duh that your problem and state its a fucking dog when the fact is the C4 (the 93 - 96 being the best of them) was a giant leap forward in American sports cars. It was a all around actual sports car. It had a fully independent and adjustable suspension system with electronic control shift points under wot to deliver near redline , to take full advantage of the wide power band. It was by no means perfect and I am more of a viper fan during that era than Vette (not to mention if I did have a 96, its a waste getting the auto cause you couldn't get the very rare LT4 that was only available that year with the M6 that was making 10% more power) but like I was always taught and sometimes unaware of enforce is that people in glass houses should not throw stones.

There are plenty of car out there today that can give a C4 a run but a C4 will take out most everything still on the street in the twistys as well as the straight line. I think respect should be shown where respect is deserved and I consider the C4 a car that deserves respect.

Its a "dog compared to the 91 VR4- that was a i guess sports car of its time - awd aws and more features then cars have today.... they were beast alone with the free boost mod- just my opinion ;)

but i agree burnouts are pretty much pointless unless you really wanna show off or warm up your drags/slicks-but if i had a manual car that could do burnouts... i would :D

acutally after writing this decided to do a little research first.... i think i might be wrong?
Who would win this race-- Give the VR-4 the "free boost mod and who would win a 1/4 mile?

Its a "dog compared to the 91 VR4- that was a i guess sports car of its time - awd aws and more features then cars have today.... they were beast alone with the free boost mod- just my opinion ;)

but i agree burnouts are pretty much pointless unless you really wanna show off or warm up your drags/slicks-but if i had a manual car that could do burnouts... i would :D

acutally after writing this decided to do a little research first.... i think i might be wrong?
Who would win this race-- Give the VR-4 the "free boost mod and who would win a 1/4 mile?
VR4's are very cool and the AWD was a major advantage and having a turbo in place already was a real cool advantage and Off the bat power was easier to get from the VR4 so you will not catch me saying a bad word about those, infact I was in the market for one for a few years but couldn't find one in good shape in my price range but stock for stock, I don't think its fair to call the C4 the "dog". It was right there or a little faster than a VR4.


Edit- The 0-60 is right around the same for both but the 1/4 on the C4 is a little faster cause at that point the AWD lost its off the line advantage. Still a good driver race right there though.

i had both the brake and the gas in all the way. am i doing something wrong?
Your not supposed hold the brake all the way down. Your only supposed to apply the brake enough to keep the car from rolling forward.

Stock for stock, I think it's a driver's race.

Free boost mod = 320hp which is good for mid 13s with a good driver. I hear alot of 13 second claims from LT1 owners, and that's fine, I personally have never seen one at the track run a 13 stock, and personally consider them a 14 second car in most instances. Nobody take offense, because I'm sure some have run 13s, I know of a stock TT stealth running 13s flat, and stock SLs running high 14s, but that doesn't mean I consider either of them that fast normally.

Me personally, I've never had an issue walking any stock LT1 car when I was stock from a stop or roll...so with the free boost mod, I think the vr4 has the obvious advantage. Race from a roll and that advantage is narrowed, but like I said, I've still never personally had a problem.

You do know we were talking about a LT1 Vette and not a LT1 F-body, Right Igovert?. Cause the detuned engine and heavier body with smaller tires used on F-bodys get to the 1/4 in 14.0 - 14.2. So I find it hard to believe you having a problem accepting the vette doing the same 1/4 in mid to low 13's not that it hasn't been documented to begin with.

Forgot momentarily lol. But the part about me not having trouble with them still holds true. C5s on the other hand, I needed more boost :biggrin:

So basically, stock for stock, drivers race, free boost mod vr4, IMO.

Quoted by BullDog71SS: Anyway, what I'm trying to say is just don't take my half-assed statements seriously...no one else around here does.

Its true. Same with a lot of the stuff I say. You could also throw -The Stig- in there. Really you just have to know the members in this part of the forum.

That being said, once I am boosted (still trying) I'm sure I could have a few runs with a couple LT Vettes. I also will be lighter than the VR4 and have less drivetrain loss. But off the line I won't be as kick ass. (Of course assuming I can get this TT project under way).

Forgot momentarily lol. But the part about me not having trouble with them still holds true. C5s on the other hand, I needed more boost :biggrin:

So basically, stock for stock, drivers race, free boost mod vr4, IMO.
Anytime you feel like changing your history in dealing with LT1's, you just let me know buddy :grinyes: . I have 383 4 bolt main LT1 with a paxton charger that would just love to meet your 3kGT.

^^ What times are you putting down? Igovert should be in 12's now. I'm just going to say the VR4 (not because I own a 3/S) becuase of youngVr4's race with a C5 that he took from a roll. If thats the case I think Igovert should be able to hold his own with your C4. But now were getting into bench racing....

^^ What times are you putting down? Igovert should be in 12's now. I'm just going to say the VR4 (not because I own a 3/S) becuase of youngVr4's race with a C5 that he took from a roll. If thats the case I think Igovert should be able to hold his own with your C4. But now were getting into bench racing....
I don't own a C4 anymore. My car is a Formula now (well at least one of them) and I was making right below 500 horse prior to adding 6 - 7 PSI of boost with the charger (which is not completely done yet). So doing the math of loss cause of drag and boost applied power I should be in the 700 horsepower area. I don't think that beating a 12 second car will be too much of a challenge :grinyes: .

As for your comment about everyone posts like Bulldog, well like I said I have no problem with someone calling a car slow or weak but strongly recommend you guys get your facts straight before talking about cars in a negative (or positive for that fact) way without having a clue with what it runs or how much power its making or anything for that matter.

Anytime you feel like changing your history in dealing with LT1's, you just let me know buddy :grinyes: . I have 383 4 bolt main LT1 with a paxton charger that would just love to meet your 3kGT.

Well yes, its also not stock with F/I. Were going with stock LT1's. Thats like me saying, let me pull up a vid of a 10 second Honda Odyssey so you can change your dealing with Honda vans. :iceslolan Of course it's a whole different story with mods brought into the story.... We never said anything about a modded LT1.

Edit: I skimmed over S/c. So that does change the race between the LT1 and VR4. And I thought your only mod was weight reduction---no underware. :icon16:

Wow Formula I never knew your car was that much of a beast. I had always thought you were in teh 300/400hp range and had no idea you were boosted. Very nice! Give me time for a turbo swap and maybe we could have a decent race sometime. But as of now, I'm sure an encounter with you would change my history with LT1s :biggrin:

The boost didn't come into play until a few months ago, I bought the charger actually from another AF member and I had torn my car down for the second time last year and put up a video after the engine swap. I don't like to run around all over AF saying I have 500 horse or I am going to have 700. So you would be hard up to find out the stats on my car but If you look threw my started threads you can find the clip and pics of my car (and its engine).

As for the car isn't stock,. SL3000GT, you mention that your car will be beating (or at least giving them a run) LT1 Vette's when its done with its boost and then it wouldn't be stock either. I am sure Igovert has his mods and Youngs has his too, so why is it now that my car isn't allowed in the discussion cause it has boost?. Don't there cars have boost and won't yours?

As far as comparing the LT1 in general yes...we never once discussed mods. Then you brought up a run between you and Igo, so inevidabley mods became an issue because each are modded. Before that, when it was just stock VR4 94+ or 91-93 (with FREE boost mod) we said the VR4 would win in our opinion. And you do realize VR4's come boosted stock? As far as my car having boost, its still a maybe (I have a SL not VR4). And I did not say I would be beating them(C4), I said I may have some runs with them and then I proceeded to make comparisons between the VR4 and mine. I will be at a disadvantage (compared to the VR4) with having an ATX and fwd instead of AWD and a MTX. But, having less drivetrain loss and being lighter would be my pros. So I'm not saying I would beat them, I was simply saying that in the future I may have a run with a LT1 Vette. It wasn't even part of the comparison...more of just a FYI.

VR4's are very cool and the AWD was a major advantage and having a turbo in place already was a real cool advantage and Off the bat power was easier to get from the VR4 so you will not catch me saying a bad word about those, infact I was in the market for one for a few years but couldn't find one in good shape in my price range but stock for stock, I don't think its fair to call the C4 the "dog". It was right there or a little faster than a VR4.


Edit- The 0-60 is right around the same for both but the 1/4 on the C4 is a little faster cause at that point the AWD lost its off the line advantage. Still a good driver race right there though.Yes I am very aware of that.

Also I was just stating , stock for stock originally (no mods, even free one's allowed). It is unfair to call a LT1 Vette a fucking dog or a just plain dog for that matter. Any car that can give your car a good hard run or beat it should not be called a dog unless you feel the same way about your auto. That was my only argument.

I wasn't sure b/c you said, "I am sure Igovert has his mods and Youngs has his too, so why is it now that my car isn't allowed in the discussion cause it has boost?. Don't there cars have boost and won't yours?."

It kind of sounded like you weren't sure if they had boost. Unfortunately we can't tell tone of voice across a computer screen so I didn't see it as a rhetorical question to begin with.

And as for a stock VR4, it depends which one you are talking about. I would assume Igovert was talking about the 94+....which has the extra 20hp...so I guess we'll forget the 1st gen 3/S.

And I never argued that it was a "dog" so I'll just leave that argument out of here.

And I never argued that it was a "dog" so I'll just leave that argument out of here.
That was the only part I at the beginning (I am very much over it now) had a problem with but my question was you had responded at one point like oh you have modded your car then that doesn't count. Well my point is they already had boost, so why is my adding it a unfair competition. If they added cubes I wouldn't pull the well thats a different story card. I think when you start modding a car it takes on a personality all its own. So be it a cold air intake and catback or some gears or a small supercharger or a cam and head kit. So be it, they are still modded . They just had the stock advantage of having a turbo there to turn the boost up on and a compression ratio more suited for boost. The discussion that started and then you brought into by stating well if I added this, are very different. Like I could easily with my laptop and a few wrenches, a plasma cutter and welder squeeze 30 more horse out of a LT1 but did I bring that up as being free to me?. No, cause I was trying to make the point that stock for stock, the way the cars came. Neither one could be or should be considered a dog.

Alright:

I never said it was unfair that you added boost.

We were discussing stock VR4's and Stock LT1's. (regardless if it comes stock with boost or not.....we were still discussing STOCK vehicles and the 94+ had the "free boost mod" stock so 94+ I would consider that extra boost stock since thats how they came out of the factory)

And I never said "If I added this..." I could beat a LT1. I simpily stated if I get boosted I might run some LT1's....that is all.

I never said if you modded your car it does not count. I said that we were comparing stock vehicles, not modded vehicles until you brought up the "challenge" to Igovert. A modded car can be compared, just not when you are comparing stock vehicles. Because as anyone knows, any car can be made fast.

And I would respect you very much if you would stop saying these things that I did not say. I don't mind a well-mannered debate, but lets stop putting words in other's mouths.

Alright:

I never said it was unfair that you added boost.

We were discussing stock VR4's and Stock LT1's. (regardless if it comes stock with boost or not.....we were still discussing STOCK vehicles and the 94+ had the "free boost mod" stock so 94+ I would consider that extra boost stock since thats how they came out of the factory)

And I never said "If I added this..." I could beat a LT1. I simpily stated if I get boosted I might run some LT1's....that is all.

I never said if you modded your car it does not count. I said that we were comparing stock vehicles, not modded vehicles until you brought up the "challenge" to Igovert. A modded car can be compared, just not when you are comparing stock vehicles. Because as anyone knows, any car can be made fast.

And I would respect you very much if you would stop saying these things that I did not say. I don't mind a well-mannered debate, but lets stop putting words in other's mouths.
Excuse me? :rolleyes: . Did you not say
That being said, once I am boosted (still trying) I'm sure I could have a few runs with a couple LT Vettes. I also will be lighter than the VR4 and have less drivetrain loss. But off the line I won't be as kick ass. (Of course assuming I can get this TT project under way).
and then
Well yes, its also not stock with F/I. Were going with stock LT1's. Thats like me saying, let me pull up a vid of a 10 second Honda Odyssey so you can change your dealing with Honda vans. :iceslolan Of course it's a whole different story with mods brought into the story.... We never said anything about a modded LT1.
Stop saying things that counter your debate and then telling me you didn't say that and then "I won't have to put words in your mouth" as you put it :rolleyes:

You know what, I don't even know why I am arguing with you SL3000GT, We agree the LT1 Vette is not a dog and agree when both cars are modded regardless of what they where or where not originally they are on equal playing field or at least I got that from a few of your last posts. So I don't have anything left to say and I did not think I was putting words in your mouth but maybe misunderstand what you meant in a few area's. Regardless, peace. I am done with this debate/argument, whatever anyone wants to call it.

^^Fair enough. I meant to say I was not discussing modded LT1's until you brought that up with Igovert. Well I could go on, but I think your last post summed it up well. I truly think we are just completely misunderstanding eachother. Thanks for being cool through it all. :thumbsup:

^^Fair enough. I meant to say I was not discussing modded LT1's until you brought that up with Igovert. Well I could go on, but I think your last post summed it up well. I truly think we are just completely misunderstanding eachother. Thanks for being cool through it all. :thumbsup:
And thanks for mutually dropping it :lol: . I hate getting into a debate/argument over something and then 5 posts later thinking wow, I wish this subject would just die already :banghead: . :icon16:

thanks for the help guys, glad you had a fun debate :p