I asked in the Toyota forum but didn't get any responses. Someone suggested puttin a Silvertop 4age motor in my Corolla. I wanted to know what this motor originally came in and how much power does it have stock. Thanks in advance.

Is that a 20v?

The 20 valves are usually 150-170 hp stock. I'm not sure if they ever came in the 93s but they came in the older ones in Japan.

i thought the silver top 20V was RWD...

Common Ricer, arent you supposed to be the Toyota aficionado around here or what? Answer this shit you ricing bastard.

the 16v 4AGE has 117hp and them came stock on the 85-86 corolla GTS not the SR5's.

the 20v 4AGE made 165-170hp and them came on the AE111, which were front wheel drive corollas.

here is the link with all the info.

http://www.ae92gts.com/3a1.html

Common Ricer, arent you supposed to be the Toyota aficionado around here or what? Answer this shit you ricing bastard.

hey mang, im kinda lost right now.....so i'm trying not to post a lot these days.....1969cameroSS, what site did you post in? not a lot of people mod corollas, so finding a forum with good people and good knowledge is a bit hard, im telling you this now, there's probably 2 toyota corolla community forums out there that are decent. I, too, was disappointed. I'm also telling you this now that use the search button because god knows how many times the 4age swap has been discussed, trust me, when you get to a corolla forum, just use the search button, i've been around long enough to say that i see a swap thread once a week or every other week, close enough. Have you also try posting this in the corolla section here in AF??

well, anyways, to answer your question, the silvertop 20v is rated 5 hp less than a blacktop, but in reality.....their claimed hp is much less, you'd be lucky to find a 160-165 stock 20v 4age, because there is none. Are you sure you want to keep the corolla? If you want speed, then the corolla is not for you mang, even with the 20v, they are hella slow stock, you're gonna have to make sure you have deep pockets $$ to make the 20v fast, if you dont have deep pockets, i would just turbo your 7afe, manual trans swap, and daily driven it. It all comes down to what you wanna do with it, drag? auto x?

wow ricer sounds different these days, it actually sounds like good advice...

I posted under the Toyota Corolla forum here at AF. I tried searching but all it came up with was kits to do the motor swap. I'm lookin just to have a decent street racer for a little while. I got my Camaro so I don't need something stupid fast. I didn't think they mad turbo kits for the 1.8. The car pulls decent for a stock car. It's got over 150,000 on it. I'm actually supposed to race my friends Jetta today if he doesn't squeak on me. It's like a 96 with a 2.0 and a 5spd. I'm thinking I can beat him even if my car is slower because he can't drive standard for shit. Thanks to everyone for the help.

I posted under the Toyota Corolla forum here at AF. I tried searching but all it came up with was kits to do the motor swap. I'm lookin just to have a decent street racer for a little while. I got my Camaro so I don't need something stupid fast. I didn't think they mad turbo kits for the 1.8. The car pulls decent for a stock car. It's got over 150,000 on it. I'm actually supposed to race my friends Jetta today if he doesn't squeak on me. It's like a 96 with a 2.0 and a 5spd. I'm thinking I can beat him even if my car is slower because he can't drive standard for shit. Thanks to everyone for the help.

yeah, the corolla section in here is never heavy with traffic, i dont think anyone goes in there on a daily basic. There is no GOOD turbo kit for the 7afe, I know someone working on one but it's not done yet, the other ones you see hon turbokits.com and all the other sites are pretty much junk. If you wanna turbo that thing, the best thing right now is to bring it to a custom turbo shop who will custom make you the whole turbo system. The fe head is actually better to turbo than the ge heads, and will probably be cheaper in the end. So, in conclusion, if you want the best bang for your buck, then turbo the 7afe, otherwise, if you have extra $$ to spend, a 20v would be fun to have and hear it scream to 8k rpms. Just to give you an idea, your 7afe likes it down low to the mid range in the power band, while the 20v doesn't wake up untill 4-5k rpms. Sorry i'm kinda throwing a lot of information at ya, but hopefully it'll help you make your decision. And as for the jetta, you might have trouble with it since you are auto. I raced my buddy's jetta, same car like your friends, and i only nosed him out, and both our cars were manual, tell us how it goes though.

yeah, the corolla section in here is never heavy with traffic, i dont think anyone goes in there on a daily basic. There is no GOOD turbo kit for the 7afe, I know someone working on one but it's not done yet, the other ones you see hon turbokits.com and all the other sites are pretty much junk. If you wanna turbo that thing, the best thing right now is to bring it to a custom turbo shop who will custom make you the whole turbo system. The fe head is actually better to turbo than the ge heads, and will probably be cheaper in the end. So, in conclusion, if you want the best bang for your buck, then turbo the 7afe, otherwise, if you have extra $$ to spend, a 20v would be fun to have and hear it scream to 8k rpms. Just to give you an idea, your 7afe likes it down low to the mid range in the power band, while the 20v doesn't wake up untill 4-5k rpms. Sorry i'm kinda throwing a lot of information at ya, but hopefully it'll help you make your decision. And as for the jetta, you might have trouble with it since you are auto. I raced my buddy's jetta, same car like your friends, and i only nosed him out, and both our cars were manual, tell us how it goes though.

who are you? and what did you do with rice(er)?!!?!?!

who are you? and what did you do with rice(er)?!!?!?!

Don't worry, he is telling him to mod a Corrola. The good ol' rice(er) is still there, just using bigger words and slightly more intelligence. My two cents? Save your money, keep the Toyota as a slow daily driver, and spend the money on the 'Maro.

Common Ricer, arent you supposed to be the Toyota aficionado around here or what? Answer this shit you ricing bastard.

That made me laugh out load for some reason. I can just picture you telling him that at a bar while relaxing and drinking some beers.

well when it comes to corollas and stickers Ric(er) is your mang
but thats about ittt

Damn rice(er). That was probably your most worthwhile post ever....shit, I almost sigged it.

you guys are t3h gh3y.......

1969cameroSS, it looks like you want a daily driver, a turboed 7afe would be a perfect candidate as a 20v really isn't fun untill you hit the higher rpms, oh yeah and a top priority on your list should also be a manual trans swap, keep us updated :thumbsup:

wow rice(er) you've done and made yourself look much smarter in my eyes....

I need to go outside and pinch myself to make sure i'm not asleep.

be back in a little while

Ya if anything I'll look into the cost of the turbo and a tranny swap. Would I be better of getting a tranny from the same gen Corolla? If it turns out to be to much $$$ I'm just gonna save for my STS Seville(32-Valve DOHC 4.6 Northstar:grinyes: ) but for some reason I'd rather have a modded Corolla than a Jetta or Civic. There's at least 10-12 Jetta/Golf's at my school and even the 2.0's think they're quick.:rolleyes: Thanks for the help rice(er). Your Corolla looks pretty clean. I'm gonna try and get pics but I'll be busy this weekend...Super Chevy Show!!!

FE head is not better to turbo,
fe=econemy
ge=perforamnce

it gives loads of tourque when you turbo the fe head, but its harder to attin higher power with them

the 20v has more touqe and way more HP than the 7afe...it does feel a little slouchy below 3000 rpms but after that it wakes up and really screams


and yes its true that the HP ratings are "off" people usually only put down around 120-125 WHP with silvertops and 125-130 with blacktops when they should be putting down about 140-150...most of that is due to the fact that there set up for 110RON and americas highest gas is 95 RON. on race gas (witch is almost the equivelant of japans pump gas) poeple put down around 150 WHP, so i would say the claim that there underatted is false, not to mention people that put engine magament on them STOCK usually pull out over 15WHP alone on a tune, simply beucase the way they are tuned from the factory (pig rich)

and saying it takes tons of money to make a 20V "fast"....is a joke
by simply turboingin them, poeple usually see around 200-220+whp on low boost (5-7psi) on small turbos like t-25's...they breath extremely well, and would outflow any stock honda head (other than the K series :) ) and the head design rivals that of the FA 4age's that put out over 240HP n/a...they are extremly good heads, saying otherwise would mean you have no idea what your talking about


i think your question would be best answered if you headed over to club4ag.com theres alot of guys over there with 20v's in there corollas

91 celica st, i agree with you, the way i looked at it

Complete 20v engine w/trans in nice condition = $1500+(s&h)
Having a shop swap it in there for you = $1000+ (depending on where you live)
Do it yourself? if you know what you're doing and have all the tools, then go for it
Turbo and tuning the 20v = a couple grand

consider if something goes wrong on the 20v, it will be a pain to find parts because the 20v were never sold it in the States, you'd have to import it or pay $$$$$ at the dealers, thats if you can find a dealer who sells 20v parts.

Potential wise, if you have deep pockets to maintain a 20v and want more power in the future, then definitely go with a 20v, but 1969camero wanted a daily driver for fun and giggles, then i'd stick with a 7afe and just turbo it, torque is always fun.

i think id agree with rice(er) on this one. while i dont know a lot about toyota engines... it does make sense that the engine with fewer valves probably has bigger valves and has a better low end, which seems to be what you guys are saying anyway. while the ge engine sounds like a good boost engine, it does seem much more economical to boost the current engine imo. for a daily driver it would probably be more fun to have an engine with a good low end anyway.

^yep, i would love to have a turboed 4age as a daily driver sometimes, but with no $$$$$ to maintain a turboed car, gas, etc,.....it's just not gonna happen right now, perhaps in the future.

i forgot to mention while the ge head flows a lot better for turbo, the fe's valve angle makes the combustion chamber such, that it resists knock better than the ge head, otherwise it doesn't matter much.

if you guys need i can get the wiring harness completly done for you for around $400

you ship the stock harness and the new harness, you get back the completed harness and its plug and play

and about the compustion chambers, acutally the ge head is completly better all around, the 20v heads have a much better squish area as well, and there are less hott spots on the GE heads than FE heads

the reason why it "resists knock" is becuase all ecus that come with FE heads run VERY rich under a 12:1 ratio while ge heads run around 12.5:1...the stock 4afe ecu runs at a 11.5:1 ratio under WOT but the silvertop and balcktop ecus are the richest of them all, they dip below 11:1 in the upper rpms

and about the parts problem...2-3 years ago, yea it was a bitch to get silvertop and blacktop parts, but now not only do vendors hold the parts, throoughout the years poeple have figured out alternative means....like the camry V6 AFM will work instead of the 20v with no modifications....the 4afe map will work instead of the blacktop map.....etc.... tons of misscelanius parts are interchangeable with usdm stuff....plus i know of at least 2 vendors taht have multiple parts for silver and blacktops


and btw i could have a completed blacktop swap for $1100 into my celica :)$ you could for $1500 if i hooked it up for the harness)
it would only be around $700 for a silvertop (around $1100 if i had the harness done for you)

basically it comes down to this
you could build your own turbo setup for the 7afe for around $1500-2000...and there good for around 10psi, i wouldnt push more than that TUNED. with a medium sized turbo (16g) or something like that you should see around 200 WHP on 10 psi
head on over to 6thgencelica.org and look around theres a few turbo 7afe's over there, and on ceilcatech thers a couple turbo 4afes (i had one as well) and the applications are basically the same between the 2....anyway if you only looking for like a streetable 200 WHP car then yea go for turboing the 7afe, if you dont want to risk turboing (it will have less of a lifespan becuase of the turbo) then...

you could swap a silvertop in for around $1500... but youd be slower than having a 7afe...usually 7aftes run in the mid to high 14's and silvertop swaps (im assuming you have a fwd corolla) run low 15's...but youll have a much more reliable engine, you could swap the 20v in it, then turbo it run low boost (5-7psi) and youd make a little more power then the 7afe... but its all up to you

if your not goign for anything more than 14's or high 13's (yes you can get high 13's on a 7afte on a stock bottem end) then id say turbo it, but if you want 220+WHP id go for the 20V and turbo it...or if you just want a high revving reliable street engine then swap the 20v...its all up to you

If you boys are going to discuss prices and such, pretty please take it to PM's.

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^no need t.v, or matty(whoever you are http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/138/squintiz6.gif) 1969camero, 91_ celica_st gave some very nice advice, if i was in your shoes, i'd turbo the 7afe, keep it low boost and that's a clean daily driver! oh yeah, and boost gets you laid (supposably) http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/4534/awesomeworkgx9.gif

^IMO that would be his best option, most poeple cant handle a swap, and building a turbo kit isnt that difficult

head over to celicatech.com if your acutally going to build one, theres a ton of poeple with turbo setups over there that know about 7afes