I was looking into buying one of the two. just wanted to get some opinons from all you guys on what you think. now I know that the srt-4 is def quicker then the SS but thats why i like the SS becuase its the underdog. so just wanted to see what you guys think. thanks..

Just get the 2.4 ss and boost it.

meh... You could do better.

VW GTI if you want to stay in that price range. Just as big of a market as the SRT-4. But honestly built better than SRT-4. Not saying you could afford the new MKV one, but an 03-05 are nice.

meh... You could do better.

VW GTI if you want to stay in that price range. Just as big of a market as the SRT-4. But honestly built better than SRT-4. Not saying you could afford the new MKV one, but an 03-05 are nice.so you are saying I should take a look at the 03-05 VW GTI's??? havent really looked in those. they are boosted arent they?

alright well I was looking at the 03-05 GTI and I am also starting to like that too.. haha I now am deciding between to the mentioned already and now the GTI VR6

str 4 is a all around nice car and i love how it looks with the stock hood scope, its so perrrrrdy.
also it sounds so nice..lol the BOV stock sounds pretty nice and i bet the aftermarket 1's sound even sexier...lol

Its still a neon.

mmmk...its still a neon...wit 200+ WHP

http://carad.ebayimg.com/i14/04/a/07/a4/1a/40_4.JPG

lol..dude....tell me you wouldnt want this for 15K?


I could have had one when I was looking for a car a few months ago. I looked at the SRTs and some other cars, in the end, the Cobalt SS/SC had the better looks and most included options. The SRT looks too much like a Neon still and I had a Neon that was a piece of junk, needed a quart of oil everyday.

I could have had one when I was looking for a car a few months ago. I looked at the SRTs and some other cars, in the end, the Cobalt SS/SC had the better looks and most included options. The SRT looks too much like a Neon still and I had a Neon that was a piece of junk, needed a quart of oil everyday.


no it needed to be repaired and you need to be slapped.


i don't mean to sound like i like neons..

I say either the SRT-4, or the GTI. Personally, i love the new MKV, but its a little pricey.

srt-4s are bitch cars

srt-4s are bitch carsbitch cars that STOMP!! lol and yeah they sound amazing with an aftermarket BOV. if i can find this one video of one that i saw i will post it.

srt-4s are bitch cars
srt-4s are bitch(in) cars

heres is a couple with nice BOV'S
http://videos.streetfire.net/category/Dodge/5/341BD7AD-6B1E-48D9-8C7D-2096AA9EF650.htm
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/srt-4/3/E7F5D3DE-847E-42B1-9161-5B0CA7FE455C.htm

^ that is most deffinatly bitchin!

I could never drive a car that every female I know thinks they are just the cutest thing ever. Its just bad and wrong.

see i love the sound of a BOV so thats why i think im leaning more towards the srt-4 or the GTI. well by me girls dont look at the srt-4 as a cute car. i have only seen one girl around me driving an srt-4.

I never got around to test driving one of the older GTI's, but the new MKV OMG... it scared the shit out of me. They have hydrolic clutchs on the 6 speed, and it feel like your pressing on warm butter. Its something you'd have to get used to for sure. Also their blow off valve is directed back into the intake so there really isn't any obnoxious noises, but at 3-7K rpms all you hear is the turbo itself screaming. The only thing i myself had against the new GTI was for being "pre tuned" it could for appearance purposes be dropped another 1.5" all around, and larger brakes. I test drove one in Augusta GA and the salesman told me to get r up there and so i had the car up to 115 in no time flat... while slowing down the brakes had a nice shimmy to them. To the point of making me nervous. The price tag was $26,400

I also test drove an SRT-4, and comparing them to the vee dub, I didn't like the firm clutch, had a tad bit of turbo lag, too much wheel hop when my g/f at the time left some tread with it and i could feel the tires skipping from the back seat, no power rear windows, ugly rims, also sits too high & suspension wise wasn't that great IMO, and the fact it still was a neon with a lousy transmission.

How ever what i did like was when the boost did kick in you could most def feel it, I was able to hit 90 mph in 3rd gear, comfy recaro seats. The price of the SRT-4 was $24,900

All in all, for basically 2K more, I feel you get alot more with the GTI than the SRT-4. Besides German engineering is basically the shit and the one i test drove was a gorgous white and the SRT-4 was white aswell but the dealership put the gay blue racing strips down the back of the car and made it looks ugly. lol...

thats my overall opinion.

^ after reading this, go w/ the GTI!

im going to have to take each of those for a test drive now.

^ lol, yep. tell us the pros and cons of each after you do.

I'd personally take the srt-4. Take the wing off and badges, possibly the hood?, i know i wouldnt lol and you've got a nice sleeper neon.

What about the Saturn Ion Redline or the Scion Tc with the supercharger? I don't know much about em so im just throwing them out there.

^ OK cars, but I dont care for the styling of the redline.

^ after reading this, go w/ the GTI!

dude? how are you gonna base spending 20K on a car because of someones opinion (no effence cody) lol

dont base your decision on opinions of ppl (including mine!) get out there and test drive them!!

i just found out from my uncle that i can get a 2003 SRT-4 for 12,000 wit 25000 miles on it...lol :2cents: :2cents:

then get the borla exhaust setup which is a pretty penny and they sound GREAT

What about the Saturn Ion Redline or the Scion Tc with the supercharger? I don't know much about em so im just throwing them out there.yeah im not a big fan of saturn cars. so i wouldnt want one of them. i did look at the scion but dont really like the style of it. so i am going to keep it between the srt-4 and the GTI. yeah i know you shouldnt base your choice on other peoples opinons, i just want to know what everyone else is thinking. of cours im going to go and test drive them a couple times before i make a final choice.

dude? how are you gonna base spending 20K on a car because of someones opinion (no effence cody) lol

dont base your decision on opinions of ppl (including mine!) get out there and test drive them!!

i just found out from my uncle that i can get a 2004 STR-4 for 12,000 wit 25000 miles on it...lol :2cents: :2cents:
I'm sorry, what i meant was get out and test drive the GTI. That thing looks better than all the cars mentioned so far in my opinion.

heres a comparison between the srt-4 and GTI MKV




srt-4: EngineDOHC 2.4-Liter, I4, 16-Valve, DOHC, SEFI High Output Front/Transverse Mounted With Horsepower Of 230@5300 and Torque Of 250@2200; Aluminum Alloy Block and Aluminum Alloy HeadsCompression Ratio8.10Horsepower@RPM230 hp @5300rpmTorque Lbs. Per Ft250@ 2200Cylinder ConfigurationIn-lineValves per cylinder4Bore3.44Stroke3.98Engine Block MaterialAlloyBlock Head MaterialAlloyFuel Capacity12.50 gallonsFuel TypeUnleadedFuel Delivery NameSEFI



GTI MKV: STANDARD POWERTRAIN:
2.0-liter FSI turbo-charged I4 (http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2224713)
Bore: 3.20 in / 82.5 mm
Stroke: 3.70 in / 92.8 mm
Displacement: 121.0 in(cubed) / 1,984 cm(cubed)
Compression Ratio: 10.3:1
Horsepower (SAE) @ rpm: 200 @ 5,100-6,000 (147 kW @ 5,100-6,000)
Maximum torque lbs - ft @ rpm: 207 @ 1,800-5,000 (280 Nm @ 1,800-5,000)
Fuel Requirment: Premium unleaded (95 RON) recommended for maximum performance, (unleaded regular (91RON) as an alternative with slight reduction in performance)

TRANSMISSION: 6 Speed Manual, 6-Speed DSG (Dual Clutch Auto-Manual)
GEAR RATIOS:
Manual DSG
1 3.36 3.46
2 2.09 2.15
3 1.47 1.46
4 1.10 1.08
5 1.11 1.09
6 0.93 0.92
R 3.99 3.99
Final Gear Ratio (Gears 1-4)
3.94 4.06
Final Gear Ratio (Gears 5 & 6)
3.09 3.14

FUEL TANK CAPACITY: 14.5 gal / 55.0 L
FUEL ECONOMY (EPA Combined):
Man/Auto
City mpg 23/25
Highway mpg 32/31
CURB WEIGHT:
- from US GTI 2006 Owner's Manual -
Man: 3133 lbs
DSG: 3183 lbs

0 TO 60 MPH: 6.7 seconds (mfr; 6-Speed Manual); 6.2 seconds (6-Speed DSG)

TOP SPEED: Electronically Governed at 130mph

so the GTI has a smaller engine, is slower in acceleration and top speed and costs about 3000 more wit tags and taxes? hmm...VDub isnt lookin good to me

^ I would say it costs more because its of higher quality.

so the GTI has a smaller engine, is slower in acceleration and top speed and costs about 3000 more wit tags and taxes? hmm...VDub isnt lookin good to meyeah im thinking that im starting to like to srt-4 more now. and you can get a used one for fairly cheap. like you had mentioned earlier.

Both are nice cars. i just like the MKV styling a little better.

im sorry...lol i should of stated that unless you go to an auction and you have someone in the business that can get u a deal, then you will get that price..lol

my uncle buys and sells cars and he can get a 2003 SRT-4 wit 25000 for 12K

he said they bluebook for 15k

I was thinking that was a little cheap, lol

*DUH* Just hit me now....screw all of the above, all I gotta say is Honda S2000, 240horse on a N/A engine? C'mon now. Slap even a small turbo on that and you'll be beating all of the above. You should be able to find a 2000yr model in between 15k and 20k

still overpaying for a car that has less WHP then an SRT....the SRT-4 is hands down the best HP for your buck, but i am aware there are a few other components to look at when choosing a car...:)

I don't think so man, the s2k has 25 more horse and that's without a turbo...or any kind of boost for that matter, not to mention the joy of having a small RWD car to tear shit up. You could get lucky and pick up an s2k for around the same price as the srt4. Now keep in mind with those specs you could easily be beating most of the cars in your area, including srt4's, cobalt ss's, scion tc's with super chargers, and saturn redlines. Then later down the line install a decent/good turbo and you'd be well over 300horse and beating Evo's and Sti's. That to me seems like bang for the buck.

**Not to mention the 00 S2k had better Consumer ratings and J.D.Power ratings then the 03 Srt4.

i still think the srt-4 is the best bang for buck

Ok here is the break down of EVERYTHING....

-Turbo compressor
-2,429 cc 2.4 liters in-line 4 front engine with 87.5 mm bore, 101 mm stroke, 8.1 compression ratio, double overhead cam and four valves per cylinder EDV
-Premium unleaded fuel 91
-Fuel economy EPA highway (mpg): 30 and EPA city (mpg): 22
-Multi-point injection fuel system
-12.4 gallon main premium unleaded fuel tank
-Power: 172 kW , 230 HP SAE @ 5,300 rpm; 250 ft lb , 339 Nm @ 2,200 rpm

2005 Dodge SRT-4 Handling
-Four-wheel ABS
-Four disc brakes including two ventilated discs
-Electronic brake distribution
-Immobilizer
-Front limited slip differential
-Spacesaver steel rim internal spare wheel
-Strut front suspension independent with stabilizer bar and coil springs , multi-link rear suspension independent with stabilizer bar and coil springs

2005 Dodge SRT-4 Exterior
-Body side molding
-Body color front and rear bumpers
-Coefficient of drag: 0.35
-Driver and passenger power black door mirrors
-External dimensions: overall length (inches): 175.4, overall width (inches): 67.4, overall height (inches): 56, wheelbase (inches): 105, front track (inches): 58, rear track (inches): 58.1 and curb to curb turning circle (feet): 41
-Electric foldable mirrors
-Front fog lights
-Complex surface lens halogen bulb headlights
-Luxury trim alloy on gearknob and alloy look on dashboard
-Pearl paint
-Fixed rear window with defogger
-Front and trunk/hatch spoiler
-Tinted glass on cabin
-Weights: curb weight (lbs) 2,899
-Windshield wipers with variable intermittent wipe

2005 Dodge SRT-4 Interior
-12v power outlet: front and 1
-Air conditioning
-Fixed mast antenna
-Peripheral anti-theft protection
-Audio system with AM/FM and CD player
-Cargo area light
-Cargo capacity: all seats in place (cu ft): 13.1
-Clock
-Full dashboard console with open storage box , full floor console with covered storage box
-Delayed/fade courtesy lights
-Front seats and rear seats cup holders fixed
-Door ajar warning
-Door pockets/bins for driver seat and passenger seat
-Floor covering: carpet in load area
-Floor mats
-Driver and passenger front airbag
-Sports driver and passenger seat
-Height adjustable 3-point reel front seat belts on driver seat and passenger seat
-Front seat center armrest
-Glove compartment
-Two head restraints on front seats and rear seats
-Illuminated entry system
-Internal dimensions: front headroom (inches): 38.4, rear headroom (inches): 36.7, front hip room (inches): 52.4, rear hip room (inches): 52.9, front leg room (inches): 42.2, rear leg room (inches): 34.8, front shoulder room (inches): 53.4, rear shoulder room (inches): 52.8 and interior volume (cu ft): 89.2
-Low fuel level warning
-Remote power locks
-Power steering
-Front power windows
-Front reading lights
-3-point reel rear seat belts on driver side, passenger side and center side
-Three asymmetrical bench front facing rear seats with zero adjustments
-Rear view mirror
-Remote control remote trunk/hatch release
-Cloth seat upholstery with additional vinyl
-Seating: five seats
-Six speaker(s)
-Leather covered steering wheel with tilt adjustment
-Tachometer
-Driver and passenger vanity mirror
-Ventilation system with recirculation sett

As for the GTI... If top gear does a show segment on the car, it usually means something..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRvpTdLQ3hI&search=mkv

I couldn't help but throw one of the comercials in since it has the exact same color and wheels of the one i test drove..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiOY1ySxzbs&mode=related&search=mkv

... and here is one for your girl friend..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxIaY_ojBuY&mode=related&search=mkv

Ok i am done now.. I promise.. unless i can find some vids of the srt-4 for you.

Lets compare -

S2000 - Srt4
hp240 hp215
tq153 tq245
2.0L 2.4L
I4 I4
No boost Turbo
0-60 5.8sec 6.31sec
Max Horse rpm 8300 5400
Trans. 6sp 5sp
Drive type RWD FWD

So the Srt4 has a turbo, more liters, and is the same Inline4 motor and still has 25hp less then a n/a engine, Where's the bang for buck?

Weight - 2809lbs 2939
Granted the srt4 is only 130lbs more and you could do some weight reduction and add some cf stuff but you don't have to with the s2k, again Where's the bang for buck?

Some standard features-
S2000:
Limited slip differential - non srt4
Digital instrument panel - non srt4
Cruise control - non srt4
Leather seats - non srt4
Power convertible roof - non srt4
Alloy shift knob trim - non srt4

Standard features that the srt4 has that the s2k does:
Foglights
Backseat

Hellloooo?....Srt4 bang for buck?...Where are youuu?...

Consumer ratings for 00 S2000 9.3
Consumer ratings for 03 Srt4 9.2
Yes, very close so big deal.

What about the J.D.Power ratings though...
5 Among the best
4 Better than most
3 Does not really stand out
2 The rest

Ratings were gathered within a 3 month, (90 day) trial with each car.

S2000
Overall n/a There wasn't an overall rating for the 00 model, think im lying and i'll give you the link.
Mechanical Quality 5 / 5
Body & Interior Quality 3 / 5
Feature and Accessory Quality 4 / 5
Performance 5 / 5
Style 5/5

Srt4
Overall 2/5
Mechanical Quality 2 / 5
Body & Interior Quality 2 / 5
Feature and Accessory Quality 4 / 5
Performance 5 / 5
Style 3 / 5

...yeah....srt4....real "bang for buck" compared to the s2k.

haha lance really wants to push that s2k lol

lol I'm at work so I have plenty of time to waste.

the stats above compared to s2000 are for 2003 SRT-4, 2004 up had 230hp and came with an LSD, which on the Cobalt is an option and when you add that option made it more expensive than the SRT-4 with the Mopar Stage 1 kit. SRT-4 is a superb car for the money. An S2000 an amazing car and a lot rarer. I'd chose an S2000 over an SRT and an SRT over a Cobalt SS S/C whisch form the start should have had the Saab 9-3 Turbo set-up and would have 230 hp and not 210 and be more tuneable

the stats above compared to s2000 are for 2003 SRT-4, 2004 up had 230hp and came with an LSD, which on the Cobalt is an option and when you add that option made it more expensive than the SRT-4 with the Mopar Stage 1 kit. SRT-4 is a superb car for the money. An S2000 an amazing car and a lot rarer. I'd chose an S2000 over an SRT and an SRT over a Cobalt SS S/C whisch form the start should have had the Saab 9-3 Turbo set-up and would have 230 hp and not 210 and be more tuneable
I hear ya man, but he was talking about getting an 03 from someone for a deal or something so i got those stats.

another thing to Add about the Cobalt SS S/C, as you can probably tell I'm most definitely not a fan of, the exhaust note is truly horrible! Rice-fo-sho. It makes me cringe when I hear one. Also the trunlid on one at stock height is almost as high as my roof and it make is look too narrow form the rear.

alright well forget about the cobalt ss/sc lol the s2k i guess wouldnt be a bad idea but i havent seen one for that cheap. i still think the srt-4 is a very nice ride. i think im going to go with that.

I wud never buy a god damn POS dodge ever. If u have the money get a cobalt ss sc or jus the ss 2.4 like someone mentioned. There isnt many domestics i would buy but if i did it wud be one of the chevs or maybe a ford.. SRT=SHIT

omg look at the touque difference betwee the S2K and the SRT-4...you ever hear the saying HP is for bragging rights, touque is where the power is? does that come into play here? yea...yea i think it does...yea

also...
Some standard features-
S2000:
Limited slip differential - non srt4
Digital instrument panel - non srt4
Cruise control - non srt4
Leather seats - non srt4
Power convertible roof - non srt4
Alloy shift knob trim - non srt4

the 2004+ comes with all of these except the digital instrument panel (which is purely the owners choice because i hate digital gauges) and LSD isnt all that its cracked up to be...alot of people say they would rather not have it (i know nothing about LSD (the car or the drug) so i cant argue that LSD is good for a car or bad)

and the 2003 SRT offered optional leather seats, sun roof, and cruise control.

and dear god please show me where you can find a S2K for less then 13K because i just spoke with my uncle and he said they blue book at 15K with 55000 miles...

Of course, there are way better cars out there for the money, go look! :)

that whole torque thing really isn't true. you need more toque if you have a hevier car. Best comparison 91 Z24 with a 3.1 has the upper hand on torque and is down about 5hp to a 2.4 Z24 but the 2.4 stock will run 15.8 and the 3.1 only 16.1. that is due to the hosepower differential not torque as i believe the 3.1 has about 15 lb-ft over the 2.4. The S2000 is faster. All torque does is spin the tires or make it easier to drive because you don't have to downshift too much in traffic and if that's a reason you'd chose one car over another then maybe you'd be better off in a Buick. I don't understand why everyone prattles on about torque, it really isn't true that is where you make speed. Torque will also induce torque steer which was a HUGE promblem on the 2003 SRT as it didn't have the LSD (which is a Quaife Helical Gear Diff)

Also, in the other thread "significant upgrade" I mentioned the Porsche Boxter 98 Boxsters go for around $15k nowadays. I'd take that over any other car mentioned

I would say the GTI, S2K, and SRT-4 are the best cars mentioned so far.

yea the honda is a far better car than the srt-4 but it all depends on what you like. the honda would have to be a few years older than the srt-4 to be able to get it cheap enough. You could go with my personal fav. Mazada Miata. Not very fast, no were near cheap, but fucken NICE. allmost had my hand on one fore $2000. so pissed when it was gone. you can get a little older one fore cheap and then spice up the motor

that whole torque thing really isn't true. you need more toque if you have a hevier car. Best comparison 91 Z24 with a 3.1 has the upper hand on torque and is down about 5hp to a 2.4 Z24 but the 2.4 stock will run 15.8 and the 3.1 only 16.1. that is due to the hosepower differential not torque as i believe the 3.1 has about 15 lb-ft over the 2.4. The S2000 is faster. All torque does is spin the tires or make it easier to drive because you don't have to downshift too much in traffic and if that's a reason you'd chose one car over another then maybe you'd be better off in a Buick. I don't understand why everyone prattles on about torque, it really isn't true that is where you make speed. Torque will also induce torque steer which was a HUGE promblem on the 2003 SRT as it didn't have the LSD (which is a Quaife Helical Gear Diff)

Also, in the other thread "significant upgrade" I mentioned the Porsche Boxter 98 Boxsters go for around $15k nowadays. I'd take that over any other car mentioned
Thank you Noshun, and I mentioned the STANDARD features on the 00 s2k because that would obviously be the cheapest and I compared them to the 03 srt4 because thats the one you would possibly get from your uncle, okay so the 03 srt4 comes with some of the stuff as OPTIONS, not STANDARD like the s2k. And I also never said you could find one for less then 13k, I said in between 15k-20k, for a couple more g's I'd say it's worth it since a honda s2000 would definitely last longer then any dodge.

How ever far back the torque comment is, Torque gets you to higher speeds faster. Horsepower just limits what those speeds are.

Well... if were really going to get going on this...

How close do you live to canada and willing to drive? If your dead serious www.street-line.net can import cars from Japan for you to a port in B.C. Only catch is the cars have to be atleast 10 or 15 years old I don't really remember for sure, but last i knew they have early-mid 90's skyline GT and GTR sitting in port right now with 60-80K KM's..for around 8-10K USD. I saw a pic of a gorgous blue one i wanted soo bad, but someone snagged her up. The second bad part is... your looking at another 5-10K just to get the car road legal in the states. US has higher safty regs than japan and you'd have to get the car up to par...

don't believe you can make skyline street legal anymore.

^ why is that?

gov crap, it was recently, i tried to find the post but can't find it ANYWERE, i'll keep looking

don't believe you can make skyline street legal anymore.
heh, my bros got one..

^ he prolly got it before this "law" or whatever was passed.

no why wouldnt you be able to make a skyline street legal??? i've seen a handful of them on the roads.

dont ask me, i didnt make this law that cavalier2000 is talking about.

dont ask me, i didnt make this law that cavalier2000 is talking about.:rofl: :rofl:

???

???:dunno: really dont know lol

According to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, the owner of Motorex, Nanahoshi Hiroaki, 33, was arrested Thursday and booked into the L.A. County Jail. He is being held on $1 Million bail.

Hiroaki's initial appearance is scheduled for Wednesday of this week.

Hiroaki and Motorex came to the recognition of Nissan enthusiasts in the US as they became the only Registered Importer legally authorized to legalize Skylines for US use. As Motorex was able to comply with stringent US crash-testing requirements, they petitioned the courts to protect their interest in the Skyline market by "locking out" other would-be importers from the list of necessary modifications.

Not only did this give Motorex a corner on the market for legal Skylines, it also allowed them to command a premium price for each legalized car. Motorex-prepped Skylines can fetch upwards of $50,000. While making loads of money, Motorex also made loads of enemies.

According to sources, the lease to the Motorex facility has been overdue for months, and is now locked out by the landlord.

The US Department of Transportation has offically rescinded importation eligibility for both the R32 and R34 Skylines, only 96-98 R33 Skylines are still eligible to be imported.

http://nicoclub.com/news.shtml

more:
Motorex asserted that R32 / R33 / R34's were 'all the same' from the standpoint of certifying them for the US. In truth, each version need to be tested and federalized. He duped the Feds (allegedly). Certification for R32's & R34's has been rescinded.

and still more:
Hiro's been thrown in jail on 'apparantly' unrelated charges. Here is a site that a lawyer/friend of mine threw together three days ago when we first found out about it (he has been dealing with the MotoRex mess for YEARS): http://thenittygrittyfiles.org/hirofiles

The charges are:

Attempted Extortion
Attempted Kidnapping
Assault w/ Deadly Weapon
Assault w/ Stun Gun or Taser
Threatening a Witness.

By the way, MotoRex lost its status as a Registered Importer a very long time ago. Their website and their facility in CA was turned over to C-West USA some months back.

info taken from here: http://forums.clubsi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6588555&an=0&page=0



Fuck.....


well you can always wait till 2007 and pic up one of the legal ones..

http://www.automotivearticles.com/uploads/image_017.jpg

But thats going to cost just as bad as an acura NSX..
:(

man that really sucks.:banghead: so any skyline pre 2007 is not street legal?? and yeah that '07 skyline is going to cost a big pretty penny lol

^ oh yeah, whats the price gonna be?

^^ Unless you can find one already registerd before, or say its for " track purpose only". If you have the title, vin #, and all that shit. I honestly don't see why you couldn't register one. I know i could get around the state inspection in my state since i know people like i did with my cavalier. But i honestly don't have the cash to afford and mod a skyline anyway. Nismo parts are a bundle. I'll stick to my econo box.

torque doesn't get you to higher speeds faster it a rating at which the engine can twist which is called torsion hence torque. power gets you speeds faster, hence my example about the 2nd gen versus the 3rd gen the 3rd gen is fater. so how is the car with more torque getting to a higher speed faster? even more perfect example. take a Diesel car with 110 hp and gas car with 125 hp both weighing the same. the Diesel will always have way more torque and is hence why semi's use them and tractors and farm equipment in order to moce the weight. The gas car, even if the torque of the deisel was twice the gas car will be slower. If you really think torque is where it's at, look at a 2004 Jetta GLi 2.0, 115hp 122tq versus a 2004 Jetta TDI 90hp 155tq. the 2.0 0-60 in 10.8 the TDI 11.2. So the car with less toque is slower! It may tow a trailer better and get great mileage, but faster it aint

as for Japanese cars 15 years or more old most of the time you can get away with it as it then doesn't need to be modified for road use. I'd rather a Pulsar GTi-R 221 hp AWD little 3 door hatch only a little bigger than a Chevy (Daewoo) Aveo. They surprise the shite out of anyone!

well from what i hear its going to cost somewhere around $70k in america. and i also heard thats with an infinity badge on it???? correct me if im wrong.

WTF!!!! $70K. thats a titty bit high if you ask me.

i dont back the touque is how fast your car moes HP is just bragging rights comment, i just know ive heard it before. but i do think its a pretty big difference between the S2K and the SRT-4

and yet we fail to look at insurance rates

(AAA <-----my insurance company) ratesa dodge neon "sartie" in the class of "4 Door Family Sedans" and im 99.9% sure it costs a hell of alot less than an S2000 would for insurance...:owned:

yeah I also think that the difference in torque between the s2k and srt-4 is big.

Yeah, the insurance would deffinately be lower on an srt-4.

As for the 07 skyline, GAY, it's not even a skyline anymore, it's an over priced Infinity on steroids.

yeah you get away with the lower insurance with the srt-4 cuz of the 4-door family car. haha gotta love it

As for the 07 skyline, GAY, it's not even a skyline anymore, it's an over priced Infinity on steroids.
I'm starting to think the same thing.

As for the 07 skyline, GAY, it's not even a skyline anymore, it's an over priced Infinity on steroids.yeah i knew there was something about it having an infinity badge on it when it comes over here. very :gay: lol

man i missed alot

man i missed alotyeah i know if you dont get on for a couple hours alot of shit goes on :lol: including the topic changing every 10 minutes lol

10 nothing lol

yeah you get away with the lower insurance with the srt-4 cuz of the 4-door family car. haha gotta love it

Thats what you think.... I paid last year $1,700 /year for my PT cruiser Limited Edition with full coverage under my parents and my driving record is clean for 4 years. When i test drove the SRT-4 i sat down with the guy and told him if my insurace wouldn't go up i would sign the dotted line. ( knowing it would i was safe) The insurance company quoted me my rate would go $800 bucks a year. My PT cruiser has the same 2.4L engine minus turbo and 4 doors and same sticker price as an SRT-4. ( I still have the window sticker and it was $24,689)

Be ready for a shocker man. Anthing thats a GO-FAST mobile, the insurance companies know about them.

Also seeing your 18 yrs old.... grab some lube cause your going to need it as they will bend you over and if you want one bad enough, they will stick it to you. My friend with 3 tickets, 1 from street racing got quoted 5,000 a year for same insurance.

te GT-r Which wont be a Skyline just GT-R will have about 550hp from the VQ35DETT, that's a 3.5 litre twin turbo v6. It's more of a supercar hance the pricetag

lol 19 (almost 20) clean driving record except for 1 DTP Ticket and right now i pay 1000, i got a quote for 1200 a year...:) suck it! lol jk

lol 19 (almost 20) clean driving record except for 1 DTP Ticket and right now i pay 1000, i got a quote for 1200 a year...:) suck it! lol jk1200 a year for what?? if you had an srt-4?? thats not a bad price at all.

^ not bad AT ALL!

dude...thats an excellent price...lol

In all honesty the srt-4 and the cobalt ss were tested against eachother in a road and track cobalt ss was rated around 205 hp and the srt-4 was around 245. the sad part is that the cobalt beat the neon hands down...out preformed the neon in almost every field. I have driven both cars, and i like the power the neon has, but i like the overall of the ss. go the ss stay chevy!

The SRT-4 has more torque steer than the Cobalt SS, which makes the Cobalt better in the corners. I dont like the Cobalt, only because it looks too stock for me. I'd say SRT-4 because it would be more fun to drive. I'd forget the both of them and get the MiniCooper S. It would prolly spank the both of them.

In all honesty the srt-4 and the cobalt ss were tested against eachother in a road and track cobalt ss was rated around 205 hp and the srt-4 was around 245. the sad part is that the cobalt beat the neon hands down...out preformed the neon in almost every field. I have driven both cars, and i like the power the neon has, but i like the overall of the ss. go the ss stay chevy!

I know!!! Its like dodge fucking rates their HP in Goat Power.. :screwy:

"Yeah we got 245 mean goats wanting to unleash their power in this here new SRT-4!!" pfft..

^ as my cousin would say, 245 horses is a hell of a lot of turtles. lol

In all honesty the srt-4 and the cobalt ss were tested against eachother in a road and track cobalt ss was rated around 205 hp and the srt-4 was around 245. the sad part is that the cobalt beat the neon hands down...out preformed the neon in almost every field. I have driven both cars, and i like the power the neon has, but i like the overall of the ss. go the ss stay chevy!really? cuz i had a magazine from either car and driver or something of that sort and they testes the srt-4, cobalt SS, acura rsx, and i think one other car and the srt-4 either came in second of first. i think the RSX finished first. if i could dig up the magazine i will and double check.

every test i have seen puts the SRT on top, I know motor trend for sure and they had a diagram of the torque steer, both car with lsd and the Cobalt was twice as bacd as the SRT.

Alos Mini Cooper S only has 160hp and isn't that fast it's like 8.1 seconds 0-60 if a remeber rightly but would muller both the SRT and the Slobalt around any corner!

every test i have seen puts the SRT on top, I know motor trend for sure and they had a diagram of the torque steer, both car with lsd and the Cobalt was twice as bacd as the SRT.

Alos Mini Cooper S only has 160hp and isn't that fast it's like 8.1 seconds 0-60 if a remeber rightly but would muller both the SRT and the Slobalt around any corner!yeah thats what i thought. the SRT is always on top in that group. i couldnt see myself driving a mini pooper let alone owning one. also like the nickname slobalt :lol:

every test i have seen puts the SRT on top
same here.

i like being on top........

i like being on top........:lol: :lol: oh shit watch out funny guy over here. top, bottom dont matter either way i please my women. :grinyes:

i like being on top........
HI-OH!

:lol: :lol: oh shit watch out funny guy over here. top, bottom dont matter either way i please my women. :grinyes:

top, bottom, front, back, lol:nono:

top, bottom, front, back, lol:nono:hahha oops forgot about those ones. :banghead:

Ok enough reading the sex talk by virgins (joking) and back to the subject. I think I remember the cobalt winning in one catagorey but i don't remember which. Other than that the RSX type S and SRT tore up the cobalt!

i agree and whoever said they would spank the SRT-4 with a mini cooper is a joke...lol the SRT has 50+ more WHP thent he mini and isnt that much lighter then the SRT either...god look up stats before you make dumb comments :banghead:

and the SRT makes about 197829481 TurtlePower... about 197829172 WTP (wheel TurtlePower)? lol

i agree and whoever said they would spank the SRT-4 with a mini cooper is a joke...lol the SRT has 50+ more WHP thent he mini and isnt that much lighter then the SRT either...god look up stats before you make dumb comments :banghead:

and the SRT makes about 197829481 TurtlePower... about 197829172 WTP (wheel TurtlePower)? lolyeah i know i would like to see a mini pooper spank a SRT. i highly doubt it.

you guys talking about base mini's or boosted?

the Cooper S is Supercharged and has a 1.6 and puts out 160hp

That's pathetic considering z24's put out 10hp less (not much) on a n/a engine.

well if you are still deciding on what to buy, get a Toyota Supra single turbo, they are chhep and make GOOD hp. I had a 87 Toyota supra trubo 5 speed and with a bigger intercooler,boost controler,exhaust and a bigger down pipe i was making over 300hp!!! fast little thing. The single turbo are from 87-93 i think, it may be 92, not quite shure. But the 3.0 in them is a inline 6 that will run forever!! The 300gt vr4's are fast and nice also!! Now if you want a car with real power get a 02 ws6 t/a!!!

I had mentioned getting a MiniCooper S because I think it would be faster on the track. 0-60 times mean nothing to me. I want to see how well the car does on a track. So I figured the 160hp would be enough to get the mini going pretty fast since it is a bit lighter. And I'm sure it does better in the corners. So I guess I should have used a better term than spank. I'd still take the Mini though, its built better than SRT-4 and Chevy. And it would corner better. The other thing you guys have to keep in mind the mini is supercharged, all the boost is always at max at any given rpm. So with the mini being ligher, and making more hp at lower rpms, it would get off the line pretty fast, but then a SRT-4 would prolly catch it. IMO Supercharged is the way to go.

Who needs cornering? Most of the racing I'm sure he'll be doing is on a strip. And I'm sorry but Srt4 215hp / Mini Cooper S 160hp? Please, there's no contest there, I dont give a damn how much lighter the Cooper is, I should be smacked for even thinking about comparing the two.

hahha the mini is a pieace of shit i killed on the other day granted it mite have had something to do wit the drivers hah but still the mini is nothing the mini had exhaust on it like i did

yeah grant it the cooper is lighter but im still sure that the SRT would take that lil thing any day.

have any of u actually raced an SRT-4?? cause i have and yea it would DEFINITELY kill a mini and it would def beat an SS i've seen the SS and SRT-4 race and the SRT-4 beat my after 3rd so yea just lettin yall no my experience

The SRT-4 has more torque steer than the Cobalt SS, which makes the Cobalt better in the corners. I dont like the Cobalt, only because it looks too stock for me. I'd say SRT-4 because it would be more fun to drive. I'd forget the both of them and get the MiniCooper S. It would prolly spank the both of them.


I recently raced a mini cooper s at the trck (1/4) and I can say that the mini has alot of low end but in the whole it is not that great. coming off of the line he took me by about half a car length but I beat him by the time i hit third going into fourth.

have any of u actually raced an SRT-4?? cause i have and yea it would DEFINITELY kill a mini and it would def beat an SS i've seen the SS and SRT-4 race and the SRT-4 beat my after 3rd so yea just lettin yall no my experienceyeah i have raced and SRT in the past with my Z. lets just say it didnt turn out very well. lol

yea i was suprised that i had him through 1st and 2nd but then his super kicked in and well that changed quick hahh

yea i was suprised that i had him through 1st and 2nd but then his super kicked in and well that changed quick hahhwell i sure hope you know that SRT's are turbo not super. so i hope thats what you ment. lol

drove an srt before and hated it though, nice cars but feels like just a cruisin car with the placement of the stick and shit. Maybe I am just used to teh DSM and the 300zx

........maybe

or maybe i'm just dumb lol thats more likely

or maybe i'm just dumb lol thats more likelythis is highly possible :lol: j/k

yea hahah sry bout that i didddd mean turbo but back to wat sum1 said the SRT is stillllll a neon (maybe a fast one) but its still a neon... i havent seen the SS race tho... has any1 raced one???

yea hahah sry bout that i didddd mean turbo but back to wat sum1 said the SRT is stillllll a neon (maybe a fast one) but its still a neon... i havent seen the SS race tho... has any1 raced one???i havent raced one but i have seen a few race. seen one race a lincoln mark VIII and seen one race a stang and one race a cavalier. got killed by lincoln, got killed by stang and it beat the cavalier.

was the cavalier base or z24?? and my friend has a mark viii and it was close btwn me and him.... so sounds like the SS isn't all too fast

well i should correct myself the lincoln was super :rolleyes: so that may have something to do with it. and the cavy was base. exhaust and intake i think.

hahh yea the super mite have something to do wit it and a base cav wit that on it still isn't anythin compared to the Z unless it had full exhaust. haha but even then it would be a good race!!

yeah im sure the super had a something to do with it spanking the shit out of the SS. lol o well fun to watch.

i raced a cobalt SS (not SC) and about 3rd gear it pulled away from me but it was behind me...we were turnin onto a main highway and right as i made the turn i hesitated to see if he was ready and he took off...i droped into 1st, caught him and played with him till middle of 3rd, then i just didnt have the power in 4th 2 keep up with him, i was ashamed, but at the next redlight (right before 100West ramp) he nodded and and i nodded in defeat...:(

i raced a cobalt SS (not SC) and about 3rd gear it pulled away from me but it was behind me...we were turnin onto a main highway and right as i made the turn i hesitated to see if he was ready and he took off...i droped into 1st, caught him and played with him till middle of 3rd, then i just didnt have the power in 4th 2 keep up with him, i was ashamed, but at the next redlight (right before 100West ramp) he nodded and and i nodded in defeat...:( shit at least you actually nodded to him. most people wont even look at the person that just beat them. IMO if you get you ass wooped in a race be a man and at least tell the guy nice race. dont be one of them that after they lost they either take off and try to lose the guy or hang back so they dont have to be next to them.:disappoin

Haha what if its to a girl? =*( haha yeah dunno what car it was because it was so dark but it was fast!! Before I even got into third she was atleast a car length ahead of me. Haha but I have to agree with, and I did wave and she waved back, then gave me her number, you know, the usual. =D (jk bout the #)

now see thats what you do if its a girl. either beat her and get the number or loss to her and get the number, win win situation really. lol

ok so I was wondering if its a bad idea to go with the ss supercharge cobalt im about to buy one and im getting second thoughts but they seem to me like they would be great cars for racing

The main problem i've been hearing about them (for racing anyway) is traction control, they can't grip for shit. But with the right mods it can be reduced greatly. Other then that I havn't heard any complaints for them.

traction control.. ive heard differently from what ive read which is alot it seems like the srt will beat it in a straight shot but as far as handling goes it beats the srt in cornering and w.e u might be right though im just learning about this stuff

I've test drove both cars and honestly, i'm not really a fan. Sure the SRT-4 is a stupid fast neon that comes with some great tires. However its a diamler/chrylser tranny which have been known to be shit. The cobalt, well... it has a getrag tranny but still feels too cheap to me.

After my cavalier, i am moving out of the econoboxes. I love modding, but next car will only require a drop and 19"s. I'll still have my cavalier to tinker with. I just want something more classy.

i can't stand the quality of the interior on either i was expecting big things form the SS s/c and it just disapointed me, not to mention the ricey exhaust note *shudder*.

The Nissan Sentra SE-R spec V really has my attention right now, 200hp and cheap.

a) BMW 330 CI -white 6 speed manual
b) Audi A4 2.0T - White 6 speed manual
c) G35/350Z - white 6 speed manual
d) Porsche Boxter - white 6 speed manual
e) 1956 Chevy 3/4 ton - 572 - manual.. <3

My options for my next car. (e) is highly unlikely, but we can all dream can't we?

I didnt like the sced cobalt one bit when I drove it for a day. It felt like I was driving a led brick, handling wasnt even half as tight as gm speculated it would be (or at least for me anyways) and its clutch was one of the few that after about a 20min drive made my busted ass knee feel like crap.

they realy screwed up IMO on the SC cobalt, i mean you can get a 2.4L ss and get like 175hp or get the 2.0L sc ss and get like 205 hp, you dont get much more hp cuz they made the engine so much smaller, but if you get the regular ss you dont get the performance tranny and limited slip dif. like you do in the sc ss. and i bet if you wait like 1 more year you will have more and more stock cars coming out with turbos and supers, i mean i saw today that the new ford trucks come stock with twin turbos......THATS A FREAKIN TRUCK!!! and it comes with stock turbos, so just wait for more.

no shit they come with turbo's, they are DIESELS! i dont know if you know much about diesels, but almost everyone one ever produced has turbo(s)....the fords have a small turbo that spools quickly to get fast power, and a bigger one to increase towing/hauling at speed. ford/chevy/gmc/dodge/vw.....all make diesel engines, all have turbo's.

now as for the cobalt/srt-4 topic....i wouldnt get either. granted i would take one if the opportunity arrised, but if i had a choice some of my cars are definitely on classic's list. now working at a nissan/infinity dealership is making me lean towards a z in my book. very sporty, very fast, for pretty cheap. im a porter and thats pretty much all i do all day, is drive around in nissan's.
and also classic, i feal ya on the truck thing 1992 chevy 454 ss.....oh yea!

a) BMW 330 CI -white 6 speed manual
b) Audi A4 2.0T - White 6 speed manual
c) G35/350Z - white 6 speed manual
d) Porsche Boxter - white 6 speed manual
e) 1956 Chevy 3/4 ton - 572 - manual.. <3

My options for my next car. (e) is highly unlikely, but we can all dream can't we?

hm mine are like this (randomly)
a) 350Z - orange or red
b) M3 - Black or red
c) Corvette Z06 ( by the time i'd have the money Z06=cheaper )
d) Impala or Monte Carlo
e) Prelude Vtec
f) Supra? :)

yeah. random list but i'll most likely be e or d

no shit they come with turbo's, they are DIESELS!
ohhh, i didnt know they were diesels, i thought they had regular gasoline engines and thats why it impressed me, lol

after driving an SRT4, i would buy one....i think its a great car for the price. Also, i like the ability to upgrade the SRT from the factory.....turbo cars also have a lot more potential than an M46 supercharged Cobalt. I have nothing against the Cobalt, but i've driven both cars and think the SRT is more sporty and feels like a more agressive car...

The main problem i've been hearing about them (for racing anyway) is traction control, they can't grip for shit. But with the right mods it can be reduced greatly. Other then that I havn't heard any complaints for them.
I was referring to Cobalts btw.

i know u were i was just saying that the chevy cobalts ss supercharge supposidly handles better then the dodge srt

And I also meant on a drag strip, not cornering. Wheel hop has been an issue for owners in the car club i'm in.

Get Cobalt SS SC.

Dodge blows so much goat it isnt even funny. A neon is a piece of crap. SRT-4, SRT-8 and SRT-10's are slow as balls. Get Cobalt, hands down.