I just love when people think that V8s, which are made to handle more power than a 4 Cylinder are less reliable when more power is added. Fact is, when I watch the import nationals on ESPN only about 50 percent of their 10 second Honda's make it off the line without blowing a tranny or a half shaft, but almost 100 percent of NHRA 10 second V8's make it off the line and down the track just fine with little effort. V8 motors are no less reliable than 4 cylinders. The reason you hear of them being less reliable is becuase people beat the shit out of them becuase they have a base power plant that produces greater HP than a streetbike. The 4 cylinders seem to last forever becuase they are driven by housewives and old people that are conservative when it comes to gas mileage. Back before this whole Honda craze no one that was involved in drag racing used inline 4's becuase they had nothing to offer, minus the DSM of course, who would want to dragrace a car that had 120 HP? This is exactly how Honda got is reliability craze going. If there is no one beating the sh!t out of these cars then they are lasting forever, this is fact. Untill a few years ago I had believed the Honda hype myself, until a friend of mine that had a 96 hatch had a motor swap with turbo install professionally done. Needless to say his car was in shambles every week. When I hear the words Honda and reliability in the same sentence now, I just invision primered body kits held together with chicken wire and black exhuast fumes coming out of poorly dressed Honda exhuast pipes. Yes it is true, Honda = Sh!t!!

*Cliffnotes- V8's have bad rep for being unreliable becuase people buy them to beat on. 4 cylinders have a rep for being reliable becuase they are an eco friendly motor intended for the low income commuter not for the local wanna be speed freak with a crooked visor and bleached blonde hair. Anyone who knows anything about cars knows how a non fully bullet proofed 4 cylinder motor holds up on nitrous or under pressure. Don't believe the Honda Hype, hang up your visor and buy a baseball cap, and for god sakes son bleached white hair went out about 4 years ago!!

yawn


drag radials on street cars are useless



yawn



if you run 50psi boost you'll see why reliabilty goes the way of the dodo

i dunno, my buddy just ran a 13.0 on street tires in 106 degree weather, in a gsr with a stock block. it's been running that way for quite a while now, and he race's it quite a bit. hell, he even drove from albuquerque to phoenix for the racewars event, then drove back. i saw a stock 2001 mustang gt break an axle on drag radials, shit happens, hell, he was only running high 14's as it was, and a turbo mustang running mid 13's blew his tranny running 13's. kinda sad, there was 3 or 4 of faster hondas on nitrous and street tires that didn't break, and drove 200 miles to roswell to go race, then drove back. so basically, your statement is shit, you don't know shit, cars break

All four cylinders are worthless for racing besides the DSMs? Take a look around and get to know a little more about cars before you make such a blatently ignorant comment. I am all for good old V8 power over Hondas but you are making us domestic guys look like dumb asses by coming in here looking for a flamewar. I just have one thing to tell you, everyone makes their shit. Import and Domestic, I have seen both types of cars with plenty of problems. This domestic is more relibale than imports and vice versa debate is more old and stale than bleached hair.

blah blah blah Import vs Domestic. Seen it - tired of it.

DSM's aren't the only I4's good for racing. how about the Subaru EJ20? STi WRX's come with 276 hp stock and are plenty reliable. DSM's aren't exactly the pinnacle of reliability either. If you recall the first of the second generation Eclipses 1995-1996 suffer from crankwalk which received a partial fix for the 97 model year due to a change in the thrust bearing design. If you run one of these engines excluding first gen 90-94 you're looking at 60% chance of dealing with cw issues be them mild or rampant. Maybe I have a slight bias towards Subaru but its rediculous to say that you can't build a powerful and reliable engine from an I4, or that all Honda motors suck because they weren't built with the purpose of racing duties.

shyt i would rather have a 4 cylinder honda than a v8 mustang anyday shyt i buy gas like once every week and half and i pay what 10 bucks, but when i drive my v8 5.0 moutaineer its like 40 bucks and yes your talkin about racing and shyt but still i would rather have a honda than any other car anyday

Originally posted by cybercrx00
i dunno, my buddy just ran a 13.0 on street tires in 106 degree weather, in a gsr with a stock block. it's been running that way for quite a while now, and he race's it quite a bit. hell, he even drove from albuquerque to phoenix for the racewars event, then drove back. i saw a stock 2001 mustang gt break an axle on drag radials, shit happens, hell, he was only running high 14's as it was, and a turbo mustang running mid 13's blew his tranny running 13's. kinda sad, there was 3 or 4 of faster hondas on nitrous and street tires that didn't break, and drove 200 miles to roswell to go race, then drove back. so basically, your statement is shit, you don't know shit, cars break

Your ethier making stuff up off the top of your head or there are some mustang owners who cant drive. The 2001 GT runs 14.2 stock in the 1/4. With drag radials they run high 13s. These are cold hard facts. And if some mustang is only running 13s and they have a turbo. They lied to you. Unless its an 1986 4cyl.

Originally posted by Polygon
All four cylinders are worthless for racing besides the DSMs? Take a look around and get to know a little more about cars before you make such a blatently ignorant comment. I am all for good old V8 power over Hondas but you are making us domestic guys look like dumb asses by coming in here looking for a flamewar. I just have one thing to tell you, everyone makes their shit. Import and Domestic, I have seen both types of cars with plenty of problems. This domestic is more relibale than imports and vice versa debate is more old and stale than bleached hair.


i think the guy who originally posted was looking for a flame war and every statement that backs his is only gonna fuel more passion in the honda guys so if you don't have anything nice to say about honda's in a honda forum why bother its not gonna be settled like anyone is gonna yeld

oh yeah and let me know when your mustang reaches 180,000 + miles mine has 183,000 my dads 93 has 233,000 and my friends del slow has 240,000 never heard of no mustang accomplishing that

Originally posted by 94svt5.0


Your ethier making stuff up off the top of your head or there are some mustang owners who cant drive. The 2001 GT runs 14.2 stock in the 1/4.

That would be at sea-level, bring them up here, 5800ft, you loose approximately 1 second, and the turbo was a '93 gt with a cartech? turbo

It should run 11s with a mild turbo. Depends on other mods and driver

Originally posted by illracer
DSM's aren't the only I4's good for racing. how about the Subaru EJ20? STi WRX's come with 276 hp stock and are plenty reliable. DSM's aren't exactly the pinnacle of reliability either. If you recall the first of the second generation Eclipses 1995-1996 suffer from crankwalk which received a partial fix for the 97 model year due to a change in the thrust bearing design. If you run one of these engines excluding first gen 90-94 you're looking at 60% chance of dealing with cw issues be them mild or rampant. Maybe I have a slight bias towards Subaru but its rediculous to say that you can't build a powerful and reliable engine from an I4, or that all Honda motors suck because they weren't built with the purpose of racing duties.


Take a reality pill and remember we are not talking about Japanese fairy tale cars here, we are talking about cars that are legal int he US, i.e DSM Turbo. And to the moron that stated he would take his POS Honda over a V8 anyday, do you wear your visor upside down and crooked?

The stereotypes you propogate are just as bad as the ones you complain about. Don't come to this site to start trouble.

heheheh, juansbrokentaco has a mullet under that sombrero?

This juan taco mf'er is friggin idiot......V8's aren't all that.....i drive a great V8 powered car and i know that. I also know that plenty of Honda's can be fast and reliable. your a dumbass......get off this board. I do agree that V8's have a bad reputation with many H car drivers.....and you are probably right as to why they have that reputation, but don't come on here trying to start flame wars. Come in and read some stuff before you say anything stupid. then u will see what kind of performance potential a honda really has.

Originally posted by JuanPacoDelTaco



Take a reality pill and remember we are not talking about Japanese fairy tale cars here, we are talking about cars that are legal int he US, i.e DSM Turbo. And to the moron that stated he would take his POS Honda over a V8 anyday, do you wear your visor upside down and crooked?

Well here is just one of MANY examples besides a DSM for you. Just take a look at the car in my sig. It's stock and capable of running low 14s in the 1/4 stock. People get them running in the 12s with very little modification. It is just not my car; there were quite a few different cars they set up with the 2.2L turbo. There are plenty of other manufactures that make quick 4cyls that can be made to scoot down the track pretty damn fast.

Originally posted by SCStreetRacer
This juan taco mf'er is friggin idiot......V8's aren't all that.....i drive a great V8 powered car and i know that. I also know that plenty of Honda's can be fast and reliable. your a dumbass......get off this board. I do agree that V8's have a bad reputation with many H car drivers.....and you are probably right as to why they have that reputation, but don't come on here trying to start flame wars. Come in and read some stuff before you say anything stupid. then u will see what kind of performance potential a honda really has.

Posts like this is why they kicked you off the Camaro forums and the kids make fun of you at school for having LED windshield wiper lights on your LT1!! BWAHAHAHA

Originally posted by JuanPacoDelTaco


Posts like this is why they kicked you off the Camaro forums and the kids make fun of you at school for having LED windshield wiper lights on your LT1!! BWAHAHAHA

....and posts like this will get you kicked off this board:rolleyes:

You dont know what you are talking about. You are just talking out of your ass--all remarks from you are completely opinionated and obviously biased. It would be one thing if you had numbers to back up your claims. And no, there arent any numbers out there that prove that V8 engines are better than 4cyl engines or vise versa. Just like there arent any numbers that prove that domestics are better than imports or vise versa. Grow up and get a life.

Originally posted by JasonAccord98LX


....and posts like this will get you kicked off this board:rolleyes:

You dont know what you are talking about. You are just talking out of your ass--all remarks from you are completely opinionated and obviously biased. It would be one thing if you had numbers to back up your claims. And no, there arent any numbers out there that prove that V8 engines are better than 4cyl engines or vise versa.


Well sure there are dipshit, they are called horsepower and Torque numbers!!! Well I woldn't expect you to know about that kind of stuff though, you drive a Honda. :flash:

well Don jose.. or... wacopaco whatever your name is...

Im all for the V8 lovers, hell i own two cars with V8s. Im a diehard fan of V8s. But i respect Hondas(and other imports).

But when you come in here with stupid remarks that ALL 4cylinders suck balls then i have to ask you, what about the Domestic 4 bangers? the Chevy Vortec 2.2s and the Mopars with Turbos.. etc etc.

I think its time for you get back on your busted ass donkey and head up that trail you fat bastard.

I'll poke fun at Honda here and there, but Ill stick up for them If some idiot like you trys to give us V8 fans a bad reputation and who just makes immature remarks about something you obviously know little about.

Get the broom out of your ass, and back on the Donkey like I said.. dont come back till your balls drop and you learn some Respect. :finger4:

We're done here.

Originally posted by RedNeck383
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We're done here. Well said. Thank you.