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lucky13garage
05-30-2006, 03:29 AM
Sorry too keep bugging in with new posts but i got a question for you guys... I've got the ka24 and im looking into engine swaps... why go with the SR20 blacktop?? i mean what is so special about the engine besides it already being turbo?? Why loose 400 cubic liters just to get a turbo i can install myself... and the TT 300z motor/engine... i forget the actual name but has anyone ever attempted to swap that into the s13?

nissan_240sx
05-30-2006, 05:29 AM
They are high reving, lower compression and have more power than a plain
ka24de/e

I'm not sure about the 300z engine in the 240, can anyone clarify this

nissan_240sx
05-30-2006, 05:30 AM
Why don't you turbo your KA

MetalHeadZaid
05-30-2006, 05:32 AM
you have alot to learn.... its cubic centimeters (cc) not cubic liters. sr20s are already turboed which saves alot of hassle for you if you arent trying to build a monster, and can rev much higher then a ka ever will. i would always go with the ka because the sr is illegal, and you can get good results out of a well tuned ka. as for swapiing in a vg30det, its do-able, but i dont think thats an option for you.

mmcleo11
05-30-2006, 05:47 AM
VQ30DETT can fit but it is a nightmare to fit. The R33/R34 Skyline RB25DET would be a nicer swap if you want to keep the over 2L engine capacity.

Also, the SR20DET is only 0.4L or 400cc less than a KA24.

For proof on how good the SR motors are, I have 272Hp@wheels without a turbo/supercharger or NOS from mine ;) I am yet to see a KA24 pull those sorts of numbers.

MetalHeadZaid
05-30-2006, 06:20 AM
VQ30DETT can fit but it is a nightmare to fit. The R33/R34 Skyline RB25DET would be a nicer swap if you want to keep the over 2L engine capacity.

Also, the SR20DET is only 0.4L or 400cc less than a KA24.

For proof on how good the SR motors are, I have 272Hp@wheels without a turbo/supercharger or NOS from mine ;) I am yet to see a KA24 pull those sorts of numbers.thats true, i have yet to see an N/A ka put out 200whp. since you have an sr20ve, do you know if you can put the sr20ve head on a rear wheel drive sr20de since the sr20ve (and pulsar "54c" sr for that matter) wont bolt into an s chassis?

Pavlo
05-30-2006, 10:27 AM
It is absolutely pointless to build a KA as NA car, as it resonds so good to boost. I am guessing though that 11:1 cr pistons, head work and of course good tunning it would have more than 200 wtq, not just whp.

AWDSR20
05-30-2006, 12:05 PM
They are high reving, lower compression and have more power than a plain
ka24de/e

I'm not sure about the 300z engine in the 240, can anyone clarify this

the Z32 swap been done befor, custom everything...i'll post pix when i fined them.

lucky13garage
05-30-2006, 05:52 PM
Well, i plan on getting a custom turbo piped in my ka when i get the cash for all the parts but theres always those swap dreams... lol, and i cant belive i said cubic liters... lmfao! well, i have no frakin clue... more research and development for me and yes i do have alot to learn... what doesnt help is most of my old research was in honda and mitsubishi... now i get to start from scratch again... which is never fun but has its ups... lol and another quick question... is there a way to convert the kae to the kade without actually swapping out the entire engine?? It's possible with honduhs so i was just wondering...

Chuki_breath
05-30-2006, 07:37 PM
VQ30DETT can fit but it is a nightmare to fit. The R33/R34 Skyline RB25DET would be a nicer swap if you want to keep the over 2L engine capacity.

Also, the SR20DET is only 0.4L or 400cc less than a KA24.

For proof on how good the SR motors are, I have 272Hp@wheels without a turbo/supercharger or NOS from mine ;) I am yet to see a KA24 pull those sorts of numbers.


uhh no such engine....yet. VG30dett.......z32 engine

yes they fit, yes its a shitload of work, and yes there is no room in the bay afterwards.

and you have yet to see those types of number because that is a huge waiste of cash NA. For that type of money you could build a 300-400 whp ka.....

comparing apples to oranges man......

lucky13garage
05-31-2006, 12:07 AM
well, i think that i am jsut gong to dumb some money into the ka but i kind of want something rare altho i have one of the two s13 in my area... So if i was to turbo the ka i need a turbo, the manifold heads, a wastegate, a BOV and an intercooler + the piping... thats it right because i wanna start peiceing together my turbo kit... i really wanna get someore power into this car... i love it but damn... beat by a civic???? wow... lol!!

nissan_240sx
05-31-2006, 03:27 AM
^
oil lines
SAFC
some type of ecu
fuel pump (optional)
larger injectors (optional)

lucky13garage
05-31-2006, 04:05 AM
So thats all i am going to need to peice together a turbo for my kae?? and is there a way i could swap all the turbo parts, oil lines and injectors off of a sr20 s15 and it work properly... Because that seems like it wouldn't be a bad idea... well, more research for me... thanks... and peace

nissan_240sx
05-31-2006, 07:14 AM
Here you go buddy, that's pretty much what you need to know.

http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5597

lucky13garage
05-31-2006, 10:28 AM
Really Really apriciate all the help man... Im gunna start buying and peiceing it together as of tommarow... lol!... and when i start the project i will post pictures up so you can see what you ka lovers started... lol, I hope to create a monster...

nissan_240sx
05-31-2006, 11:00 PM
Solid, good luck

pantlegz
06-03-2006, 09:10 PM
you may want to rebuild your KA before you start piecing a turbo kit together, which may be fun and all but if you want it to last it'd be best to rebuild or atleast see what condition your bottom end it like. I know my old KA with 135,000 miles on it was in dire need of a rebuild before I though about tossing a turbo on there then again, if it's your only car and you don't have a secnond or thrid motor sitting around like I do, it can be a pita and at least a little more expensive but well worth it if you want the money you put into a KA-T setup to last more than a week. just an idea anyway...

nissan_240sx
06-04-2006, 09:36 AM
Do a compression test too

pantlegz
06-04-2006, 12:49 PM
yea compression test is a good idea, just don't get too crazy with torquing it down with the aluminum head and all, you really don't wanna strip a spark pulg hole it's really not any fun. But if you do, I have 3 extra heads laying around :p

lucky13garage
06-04-2006, 09:54 PM
A compression test can be done at a local dyno shop right?? Is there a so called "hillbilly" way of doing it or do i have to have it done for me??

nissan_240sx
06-05-2006, 02:39 AM
compression test hillbilly way? lol, those two words shouldn't be together lol

Buy a compression tester from a parts store ($60+/-), it's easy to use. If you're unsure about using it, I'm sure a local shop can do it for you

pantlegz
06-05-2006, 09:09 PM
umm just an idea, if you don't know what you're doing don't mess with it. You'll end up with a 5k pile of sh*t that wont move, or start. Not saying you wont be able to setup a turbo although it's not as easy as "Oh I slaped a turbo on my ride last night" it's not the hardest thing you could do and depending on how much power you want you'll need to rebuild it if you do a compression test or not..just my opinion tho

lucky13garage
06-06-2006, 12:17 AM
Well, if you've got the money to just suddenly slap a turbo on your ride and you get it done for you then you shouldn't be messing with it... but if you learn about everything slowly and peice together the kit yourself over a year and then you install the whole thing learning about it all before or durring buying the parts i think you'll be alright... This car was a deal and a half and ive always been into these cars but didnt really want to own one untill i have a few dollars laying around... i couldn's pass this one up... and im in the process of learning - Doing all my research and all that... It's a project man, and my first nissan at that... these posts help alot... Dont get me wrong... Im in love with this car - Im not one of those guys that just bought it because suddenly RWD cars are cool because there is a movie about them... And i know it takes time and effort to install and run correctly a turbo... There are a hell of alot more parts than just bolting in the unit and its almost like rocket science but not quite there yet... lmfao!... Just dont want you to take me the wrong way...

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