That new Mazdaspeed is coming out end of this year, should we worry.
Its pretty much an Mp3 with a turbo that sounds scary.
170 horse
155 torque
Turbocharge

And if it still handles like an Mp3 then watch out!

I've heard about that as well. A friend of mine works over here at Moffit Mazda, and he was thinking of getting one next year. I don't know about that car, it'll be close one as the person knows how to drive it. Nothing to be worried about in about my opinion. I saw a picture of it as well, not bad. Still love my car more. I guess we will have to wait and see when it comes out. But when it does I'll be looking for it.:alien:

Haha yeh I always wanted to run with an mp3 even though there slow but this will even be better. It's a nice looking car to, but we can take them.

i think we can take the mazdaspeed protege stock vs. stock, but it has a TC, so it'll be easier for them to fix up their car, meaning less $$$ for more HP

Umm I see i didn't no that.
I'm really looking forward to them there nice looking. I wanna race one.

Mazdaspeed Specs Nissan Spec V
170hp 175hp
155 torque 180 torque
0-60 6.9 0-60 6.9 - 7.4 (ive seen)
0-100 19.4 0-100 19.1
1/4 mile 15.4 @ 91 mph 1/4 mile 15.2 @ 91 mph
top speed 130mph top speed 135mph
20,500 dollars 18,915

These cars are so similar I really can't wait to see these two compare. I don't no the slalmo speed for the mazda but I really cant image how GREAT it will be.

What you guys think about this comparison.

When are they gonna start to put these cars out on the sales floor? Like I said before I don't think that they are gonna be that big of a problem but at the same time I is gonna be a close one.

you will have lots to worry about!!!!

a simple exhaust and cai...and bye bye spec v.


Sorry to say..i love spec v's, but nothing can test the power and top end of a free flowing turbo charger.


PEACE

True Super, but thanks to the Spec V's torque it'll still be able to take it in the stock 1/4.

The slalom numbers are going to be AMAZING. I mean come on, the normal non-turbo beat out a vette in road and tracks test. Also, i think that the racing beat suspension in the Mazdaspeed might be a bit higher grade(or atleast more complete) than the one in the MP3.

What's up everyone. Like I said before it is gonna close one, for instance a friend of mine has a beetle turbo, 150 hp-150tq. His car can hang with modded SI's and so on. Now this car has more hp, so I don't know about this one. I am deffinately gonna be looking for it when they come out. But on the SpecV's deffense, your were mentioning about the fact that all it's gonna take is a simple intake and exhaust. Very true, but now imagine once we get all the basic bolt on's. So it's deffinately gonna be a good one without a doubt.

Think whatever you wanna think, but Im telling you...when mazda come out with a turbo car IE...RX7, 323 GTX and so on they dont messa around...the MP3 turbo is not making anyhwere near the horsepower it can make..it also has a ball bearing turbo charger, so that means when you free up the flow af air..it will dust a SPEC V....there will be no chance.

If you dont believe me...you'll find out the hard way...when they come around line it up with one and tell me and the rest of us the results.

NO MATTER WHAT..A TURBO CAR ALWAYS COMES OUT ON TOP AT THE END. PERIOD.


PEACE

Just because a car has a turbo charged that doesn't make it faster than a naturally aspirated car with simillar specs. Look at the numbers. 170hp is 170hp is 170hp. I don't care how the car breathes. 170hp on a T/C car doesn't magically turn into the equivalent of 200hp on a N/A car.

So stock for stock it would be a good race. The Mazda has the edge with the power band, since peek power usually arrives at lower RPM's on T/C cars.

Now aftermarket. For only $500US this Mazda will rock. A simple ECU upgrade and it could make in the neighborhood of 200hp and 250 torque. Look at the GTI. Stock 150hp 155tq. With ECU 197hp 240tq.

Just my opinion

Yeh this is gonna be a close one and I knew there would be alot of debating going on about these two awsome cars. Turbo vs. n/a

YOU'LL SEE.


WHEN YOU LOOSE YOU WILL SAY I WAS RIGHT.


I BET YOU A 323 GTX WILL BEAT A SPEC V IN THE 1/4 MILE.

2 REASONS

1. TURBO
2. AWD


PEACE

Super Spec V I'm not saying that I'm gonna smoke it. I told you that I know it's gonna be close and maybe it will beat us, so what!!! I can tell you from experience that's it's not gonna smoke us though because me and my friend who has a WRX mess around all the time and the only reason why he kicks my ass is because of the all wheel drive. Now when he let me get a little bit of ahead start, like my back bumper was at his front bumper. Beep the horn three times and he never caught up to me. Also on the highway, I don't know how many times I have said this, but my car can hang right with his ass. Now the WRX specs 227hp, 217tq, 1/4mile, 14.7. New mazda, 170hp, 155tq. You have a SpecV right, don't you any faith in your car at all? Personally this whole thing really isn't that damn serious to me apparently as it is to you.

Actually i have a WRX.


And no offense cause i love the spec v, but i eat them for breki lunch and dinner, on the hwy and street all day long.

I will race one anywhere anytime anyplace.


BTW i have 3" cat back with injen cai and with some other minor mods and i ran a 13.88 @98 mph on the weekend at grand bend moto plex, so no spec is gonna touch me...althoough i wanna buy one and put a tubo on it...should be a fun car to drive after its TC'ed.

PEACE

Ya the T/C'ed Spec V is gona kick ass.. that i am waiting for ;) but a T/C'ed MP3 is nice too, i dont know about the 200hp 250tq part unlikely, but still a posibility. I just wish they didnt over charge you so much for the MP3. Well MP3 V's Spec V good bet is both are gona be great but we wont realy know till Nismo hurries there arsses, and the new MP3 comes out. but i still think the Spec V is worth more dollar for dollar, pound 4 pound!! greata car, just wish they would do something bout the ass;)

But the WRX part nope im surprize you guys even beat it (those that say they do) but the WRX is a great car in it self. Cant beat an AWD T/C'ed beast!!! much like what the Spec V is too, just 6-7 grand less ;) ;)
:D :D :sun: :flash:

ONCE AGAIN, I never said that the SpecV's can beat the WRX off the line in a quarter mile. All I'm saying is that on the highway or after going about like 50mph, the car can hang with one. From experiece when my boy let get like a car head start he never caught up to me, that is the GOD honest truth. Wait a minute, Super SpecV guy. Aren't you the one who was debating with me whether or not a SpecV could hang with a stock WRX on the highway awhile back? I remembered that you never believed me and you never called my boy who has one to actually hear it from his side of the story. You can eat SpecV's for breakfast, lunch and dinner all you want but the fact still stands whether you wanna believe it or not, a SpecV can hang with a stock WRX highway wise. Now once they get modded up then that's a different story all together, then I have nothing to argue about.

LOL so it's coming with a TC. So what? If the hp's about even now slap a TC/SC on yourn and smoke'em. I'm no expert but I see no problem here. Sure let them have fun and tweak up after the TC but if you slap on one of your own what's the problem? other than $$$ lol
Peace,

Stock for stock its going to be all about the driver of that car...
It's really driver vs. driver...

And baby sky is right about the wrx. My buddy has one and were close as hell when we're fooling around on good ole I95. :bandit:

Finally somebody else out there who knows what the hell I'm talking about. As far as the new Mazda goes it's deffinatley going to be about who is the more experienced driver.

the mazdaspeed protege (ms-p) actually puts down more hp to the wheels, but the same amount of torque. (151hp@5800, 150 lb-ft@3800 at the wheel)

check out the article in october issue of sport compact car.
the ms-p does the slalom at 72mph (ffaast)

in the canadian market, the spec-v with sports package's msrp went up $900 to $24,898. There is speculation that the ms-p will be anywhere
from 25,500-27,0000. Considering all that you get in this ms-p, it'll definitely be a bargain like the spec-v, but a little higher in price (actual pricing not confirmed). note, the ms-p does not have a sunroof so that $ is spent on other goodies for the ms-p (sparco aluminum pedals, short shifter+sparco shift knob, kenwood KDC-MP919 headunit with a msrp of $480-$600 USD).

plus, the ms-p is a factory turbo with warranty. also the ms-p is contructed in japan (better fit/finish etc) :)
lots of pluses.
not to say the spec is no good, it's a great car, but since i can afford the ms-p, i gotta go for it =)

I hear everything you are saying, but...Mazda and Ford are in partnership. Eventually the "quality" (read crappy) of Ford will rub off on all the mazda's. Plus, do you really want to put any money in Ford's pocket?

protege's are STILL protege's unscathed by ford at the moment. so no, your comment doesn't apply. Sure you can say that about the tribute (essentially a ford escape).

oh, and i fully expect the next generation of protege to be more focus like at which point of course i'll dislike ford even more for assimilating mazda, something i hope they really don't do.

HAHA I95, i love that highway, we flipped a white centra on I95.

anyway i'm in no hurry to start contradicting people but i mean the times are almost identical and the mazda is a turbo... now add a turbo to a spec V and... well you would probably screw a mazdaspeed MP3 sideways in reverse, you're looking at a 4cyl N/a and a 4cyl Turbo with almost identical times, if you even them up by adding that lovely TC to your spec V. BAM! you would probably even smoke some lightly modded WRX's (maybe not off the line but you know)... please correct me if i'm wrong, i can't talk from experience but maybe someone can.

that's a commonly used argument; HOWEVER, at what cost to add a turbo to the spec?????


with a factory, all the hardware is already there and simple upgrades here and there you got lots more power vs the ton of $ you'd have to spend on the spec.

besides, there are even better times for the mazdaspeed protege (ms-p) out now.

From motortrend:
http://forum.protegemp3.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7008

From autoweek:
http://forum.protegemp3.com/vbb225/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6955

what size engines will these mazdas have i know the wrx has a 2.0turbo just like the gti-r

Wow, talk about resurrection of a dead thread

1 - the mazdaspeed has been out for a while, over a year
2 - it has a turbo 2.0
3 - it's slower than a stock spec, no need to worry

so your saying the mazda 2.0turbo awd is slower than a 2.5fwd spec
well if thats true hows it compare to the sr20det i was sure the sr20det was faster than the qr25de

so hows the mazda awd turbo slower

mazdaspeed prot ain't awd.
sr20det>specV>msp the end.

oh well then i see

whats up guys my boy in my crew as the 04 mazada speed protege and he has done a few things with it the latest is running nos to his intercooler but anyway we took it to the track a few times and his fastest time was a 15.6 and i think he was runnin at 8 pounds of boost. and i got an 02 ser non spev v and im not having any trouble and i just got intake, headers ,and exhaust so i dont think us sentras have anything to worry about the next years protege turbo'd or not i think we got em

Don't worry guys, there is nothing to fear. The V6 Sentra is coming!!!

Don't worry guys, there is nothing to fear. The V6 Sentra is coming!!!

Quoting myself, there are a few rumors on the net of new changes to the Sentra starting 2006. One of them is introduction of the V6 models. These engines would have the same specs as the 2000 Maximas. Anyone else here anything similar or different???

I think the vq is way too big to fit into a sentra engine bay. They are going to redesign the sentra, but they would have to make the engine bay and therefore the entire car (to make it look right) a lot bigger. Well then you pretty much have an Altima, so I have my doubts that this is going to happen.

When I said that it would have the same specs as the VQ engine, I wasn't talking about size, only HP and torque. There are plenty of v6 cars that are as small as the sentra: tiburon, BMW 2.5L series, the Mazda 6 isn't that much bigger either.

Yeah, but they don't use a Nissan v6, and as far as I know the vq35 is the smallest one nissan has, and it's pretty damn big.

It would have to be something smaller than a 3.5L
Maybe a 3.0 or 2.8, it could be whole new engine for all we know.

The specs are a couple grand cheap and if you were to buy them both used, I bet it will be a pretty big difference between the prices of the two, use that money get a turbo charger for about 4 grand adding about 75-100whp and get an exhaust and you can give the fucking thing a head start and still win, but a car that comes stock with T/C does have more potentail such as intake and stuff made to it on the turbo charger and turbo stage kits its going to haul ass cause its cheaper to upgrade it and that T/C is probably not puting out much stock but the second you change some stuff on it things going to be puting alot out.

I just traded a 03.5 Mazdaspeed Protege for a 05 spec-v. Stock vs stock they run the same but put a boost controller, which costs less than 100 dollars on the Speed, and it will kill a sentra spec-v.
I put a hardpipe, boost controller at 10lbs, and a short ram intake on my speed and ran a 14.5 1/4mile. The Speed kills in the corners, too. Plus it has a better sound system. It is a good car. But the spec-v will last longer.