Welp guys it looks like this friday im going to be racing this honda civic for 200$ havent seen the car yet but from what i hear he was put about a grand in it and it has nos...we going to roll from 40 and do a mile run winner takes cash...i dont know bandit is fast..but i have never raced against anyone with spray and civics are pretty danm light....any tips? anyone know whats going to happen think i got a chance? i wish i knew the specs on his civic...but from what i hear its fast...soo all week ill be tunning up bandit ill put the new headers on tommorow and hopefully can get the msd ignition in there...shit ... what do you guys think?

P.S the reason this happen was because i raced a ford probe gt for 100 and beat him and he was all mad and talking shit how his race team is the shit and blah blah...so anywho it ended up everyone talking shit and this guy was like my 4 banger will whip your v8's ass and i was like money where mouth is blah...(fast and furious insert here) and yea so...

i think youll be ok, but we'll see i guess.

its really hard to say...... how fast is your bandit?

a civic is a very very versatile vehicle. but lets just get this thing straight, he has no other power adder besides nitrous right? if he has a turbo or super charger plus nitrous on a swaped engine your as a good as dead.

how a civic with a basically stock engine with nitrous depending on the size of the shot will probrably be a low 14 second car at best.

now if you put a B16, B18, or a H22 or a B20, or a K20 engine into a hatch. it will range anywhere from high 14 to low 13 without nitrous.

with a 75 shot of nitrous, its probrably a mid 12 second car. they should have pretty good top end pull on the highway.

this is all just my speculation on what they run, any other honda guys can chim in on this to correct me if i'm wrong?

wellll...civics CAN be fast....

if hes squirtin a 100shot in there...youll have troubble...if thats all hes doing you got a pretty good shot.

If hes built with a bottle added for flavor your going to loose some cash. You can always be all CPT on him and run him off the road :icon16:

Good luck man, let us know how it goes. Bty, this is the street racing section, so post your race with the probe so we can all read a Street Race and have it be apporate in this thread :thumbsup:

*dosent really care, just wants to hear about the race with the probe*

hahahah, two nissan guys quickly posting about the civic :lol:

your going to race for a mile? Then i guess it really doesnt matter who is faster in acceleration, just top speed. . .

your going to race for a mile? Then i guess it really doesnt matter who is faster in acceleration, just top speed. . .

yea well he was talking the shit how it would kill me and i was like alright lets run it then and he was like okay but since your a v8 i get to spray and i was like you can spray push jog jump fly or whatever the fuck you think you can do i dont care but since your spraying were going for a mile...and we was like lets do it...also he has blown the original engine so im not sure ... but ill be running on high octane since my compression rate is is so high...plus bandit should be putting out 400 horseys and i dont think you can make a civic beat that with only 1 grand..but you never know..

My top speed is about 155...Atlease thats how much i have taken it up to..no tach = dont wanna blow it up
Negatives ( not much power from 0 - 40 )
Positives ( From 50+ is where the power is )

oh jeez...I didnt notice the mile part...

uuhhhggg....all extra F&F... I think he has you then....

EDIT- If he has already blown a motor maby he will squeese untill he pops a second.

Also, if he hasnt removed a limitor...hehe...youll blow by nomater what :lol:

hmm..my cousin has a b18 non vtec 130hp swap on his hatch + minor bolt ons, and he only ran low 15s, it was manual too, i think jayson is right on this one

when you say 1 grand? he only has 1 grand put into his engine?

1G can be alot...but not enough on a stock civic I am thinking

1 grand = buying the engine plus the bolt ons and the nos..

hondata ? is this something i dont know anything about hondas he says he has that explain?

hondata is a reflash ecu for honda's. they work better with newer cars then older cars. also they use them when you swap in different engines.

yoiur going to get $200

if he dosent pay up, take his N20 bottle :p

What gearing do you have out back for your Fbody?

TH400 or TH350 trans?

What gearing do you have out back for your Fbody?

TH400 or TH350 trans?

Th400 of course imo the best stock tranny you can get i have a shift kit also on it but no stall kit

Th400 of course imo the best stock tranny you can get

For gearing wise, it's got taller gears which are suited better for highway runs anyways.

TH350s have slightly shorter gears, better for sprints. Both trannys can be built up to the same level really...


Anywho, what rear gear do you have?

*still wonders about the limitor on the civic* :D

3.23:1 i belive wich is better for long runs also right?

*still wonders about the limitor on the civic* :D

haha yea maybe at 120 he's car will just shut off and zoom i go :), that would be funny...

wow this thread certainly exploded...

03-08-2006, 09:52 PM

now its 11:24

i think you have him, idk if id go a mile tho...

no, mile is really going to work for him.

He has gearing, power, and lack of limitor on his side :p

If he squeeses that whole time hes gonna pop his motor! HES GOT A HEAVY FOOT!

just incase for some reason the 400 decides to go its ok i got the 455 almost ready to fit right in :)

he also said something about hondata? what exactly is this? not a honda kind of guy..im recording the race though and will post it

hondata is a reflash ecu for honda's. they work better with newer cars then older cars. also they use them when you swap in different engines.

that is what a hondata is.

Does he know what he's up against? lol. I think you will take it. Unless he has some sort of huge discount on parts. Well even if he is fast enough to win, you will still give him a run for the money.

I dont think someone so sure about winning would still have the stock speed limiter. Oh well we can only speculate so much.

if he has hondata he probally has no limitor...oh well

thanks sorry i thaught i had already asked the hondata question but i couldnt find it...and yes thats why i was like well this is going to be easy money .... or maybe this kid knows something i dont...well like i said before win or lose i still booze lol and honestly if i lose it would be cool because then i would deffently have to get that supercharger i have been thinking about

welp hopefully the ol saying theres no replacement for deplacement will stick... :) ill find out more tommorow on the car...and talk to you guys after school welp take it easy good - night , ohh sorry if this is the wrong place to post this but i figured you guys would know best and ill post the video in this thread when we race..take it easy.

ahh sorry before i go to bed quicky im going to go to the airport and get some high octane is there anything i need to know? i have never used it but have been told its the best thing for my engine let me know something if i need to before i f*** something up :) thanks again

I dont know about this one dude....$200 bucks and he sounds pretty confident.....sounds kind of fishy to me.....but I guess there is only one way to find out....run em...

I dont know about this one dude....$200 bucks and he sounds pretty confident.....sounds kind of fishy to me.....but I guess there is only one way to find out....run em...

True that, but ricers will be ricers... ya know. As i point out his friend in his probe gt ran me for 100 and lost big time.. he sounded confident

If you do strongly believe he is a ricer and not a real tuner then yeah you have a good chance.....but thats really ballsy of him too run his mouth like that if he isnt real confident that things will go his way...

If you do strongly believe he is a ricer and not a real tuner then yeah you have a good chance.....but thats really ballsy of him too run his mouth like that if he isnt real confident that things will go his way...

atlease it will be a fun time...and probally a close race..

OFF TOPIC
When in the hell are you giving me that srt-4!!! i hated neons untill i seen your car, danm that thing looks good. whats the power like in one of those?

adding to what Tat said: hondata, ability to modify the speed limiter, offer tunable fuel and ignition tables, expand rpm and ignition tables, adjust VTEC control, and increase rev limitation.

it's quite popular amongst the vtec guys, i've seen a lot of vtec guys using some sort of hondata to control the vtec, i think you will take him, post up the vid dude

Hey guys... racing over a mile is nothing especially it's from a 40mph roll.

60mph = a mile a minute... so if you're accelerating down the freeway from 40mph, you'll probably get up to 110-115mph tops... Highly doubt you'll get to 120mph.

I think the Fbody has this in the bag, wide gear ratios and broad torque curve are in it's favor.

atlease it will be a fun time...and probally a close race..

OFF TOPIC
When in the hell are you giving me that srt-4!!! i hated neons untill i seen your car, danm that thing looks good. whats the power like in one of those?

its alright stock.....but you get used to the power and then thats when the modding begins.....right now im trying to figure out what turbo I want to get:banghead: too many choices and too many voices in my head.....:shakehead

Hey guys... racing over a mile is nothing especially it's from a 40mph roll.

60mph = a mile a minute... so if you're accelerating down the freeway from 40mph, you'll probably get up to 110-115mph tops... Highly doubt you'll get to 120mph.

I think the Fbody has this in the bag, wide gear ratios and broad torque curve are in it's favor.

Hey redneck have you seen the video of the acceleration on my ta? its in my signature thats at about half pressed so i should get past 120....and hey do you have any experience with high octane? could you tell me what deffrence i would see if i ran it on race night?

Hey guys... racing over a mile is nothing especially it's from a 40mph roll.

60mph = a mile a minute... so if you're accelerating down the freeway from 40mph, you'll probably get up to 110-115mph tops... Highly doubt you'll get to 120mph.

I think the Fbody has this in the bag, wide gear ratios and broad torque curve are in it's favor.

i don't agree redneck, your car can almost hit 110mph from a stand still in only 1320 ft. now if you keep on going for a mile i'm sure you can hit atleast 130-140mph. if i acelerated for a mile from 40mph i know i'd hit 120-130mph easy.

and also race gas offers no real performance gains on a non electronic fuel injected car. the reason why is becasue a carburated car has no idea that its running lean and detonating ( which pulls back ignition timing ). for a high strung fuel injected car, esp one with a turbo it allows the ECU to run the most aggressive tune possible, and with a turbo you cna push the envelope even further by running on average atleast 10 more psi if your engine can handle that kind of pressure.

usually with a boosted engine you can see gains of atleast 100whp just by runnign race gas. for your car, it will pretty much just be on a the safe side. you can get away with alot of sloppy tuning with race gas.

POST THE VID.
I have a modem so it'll b a bitch to watch but I love races (even though I cant race my can wasn't built for them)

you can whoop that civic no problem, your engine's bigger then his car, i've raced alot of imports in long 1 mile or more races, and every one i've raced acts like it hits a brick wall around 110 / 120 mph, guess that would be the speed limiter or something, not to used to new vehicles, i like old cars, they keep going faster till the engine blows or you let off the gas...

well if you consider the new engine for the kid was about 500 dollars
300 was possibly nitrous
200 left? i don't see him doing alot with that besides an air filter (lol)

i dont' see this kid winning.... not sure about the year civic he has, if it was from a dig, no contest... it'd be you, unless this kid has some crazy sized turbo the size of texas under the hood, i don't see his car beating you.

not to bash civics (they are great at avoiding the gas pump) i just see that monster you are driving pass him by.

yeah that acceleration in the vid is pretty sick...

unless your computer automatically adjusts your timing, which im pretty sure it doesnt. then you wont see any gains from race gas.

hell...ill race him for $200 :evillol:

unless your computer automatically adjusts your timing, which im pretty sure it doesnt. then you wont see any gains from race gas.


Yeah he will, but he's going to have to advance it himself with the distributor.
If he uses just the high octane without advancing the timing he won't see any gains unless he has some detonation right now with the pump gas he is using.

I'm also pretty sure you've got this Civic beat already. Even if he's got an old crx hatch he just won't have enough motor to chase you down. With only $1000 to spend on a motor plus mods that really doesnt get you all that much, even with something as cheap to build as a Civic. The n2o is going to be pretty much his main power adder. If I was you I'd pull out my passenger seat along with my rear seats, because I bet you he is doing the same. Also, if you are lugging around a spare/jack anywhere in your car, ditch that as well.

Race gas, to reiterate whats been said, wont do shit for your car. Hell, I doubt it'll do much to help out many cars on this site. But anyways...

It depends on what hes spent the grand on. You haven't really been clear enough on that matter. He could have spent a grand after getting a new motor. For all we know he could have a nice B18C1 under there with full boltons and a hundred shot of spray. That, plus some do it yourself weight reduction, a good tune with the Hondata, and he could rip your shit up hard.

Or that one grand could be a I/H/E set up on a D16Z, and he'll cut a mid to low 15 off the spray, a mid to high 14 on it. Nobody knows. So I have an idea...GO FUCKING RACE! Don't we have a sticky up top about these "who would win threads?"

No one on here knows this kid, and your not giving us enough info. So go race, and don't post about this until then. Hell, the kid could have some real shit done, and just be putting on a ricer act to lure you in. You could be getting your shit hustled.

Oh. And about the no replacement for displacement...Its called forced induction.

cassie if you read the whole thread you would of seen were i said he spent 1 grand to buy the engine and his bolt ons...and the nos soo im pretty sure theres no b18c1..but thanks for the help, ill talk to his girlfriend next hour about what he has and get back to you guys after school then tommorow night the race is on

cassie if you read the whole thread you would of seen were i said he spent 1 grand to buy the engine and his bolt ons...and the nos soo im pretty sure theres no b18c1..but thanks for the help, ill talk to his girlfriend next hour about what he has and get back to you guys after school then tommorow night the race is on

dude.....dont talk to the gf, seriously, thats trouble and its not worth it.

Come to think about it, you guys are still in high school, right? how many highschoolers do you see with an actual swapped hatch thats actually fast?? and knows what they're dong? at least not around here you wont see them, not sure where you're from, but i bet rich kids with rich parents wont be driving civic hatches, those kids are in bmws', mercedes', etc........so what am i trying to say here? he's slow and you should know that, you should be fine, go race him, vid the thing, get your $200, come back here, and post the vid, everyone is happy http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon14.gif

some good tips is what bulldog said, and if you can tape the camera somewhere so you wouldn't need a passenger, unless both of you guys are having passengers, then its all good...good luck!

I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with rice(er)...

There is the possibility the kid has a hondata tuned b16a2 powered 1999-00 Si model. But that really doesn't make much difference.

Bandit, if you could find out the year of his civic and series number of his engine, it would say a lot...

I can't wait to see this video!

thats the beauty of racing for money. you dont know if the guy is b.s.ing or not. if hes a real deal street racer, his car would look completely stock and run 11's. i mean if i had a race for money, i wouldn't not say anything about my car, and in fact i would down play my car like crazy.

dude.....dont talk to the gf, seriously, thats trouble and its not worth it.

Come to think about it, you guys are still in high school, right? how many highschoolers do you see with an actual swapped hatch thats actually fast?? and knows what they're dong? at least not around here you wont see them, not sure where you're from, but i bet rich kids with rich parents wont be driving civic hatches, those kids are in bmws', mercedes', etc........so what am i trying to say here? he's slow and you should know that, you should be fine, go race him, vid the thing, get your $200, come back here, and post the vid, everyone is happy http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon14.gif

some good tips is what bulldog said, and if you can tape the camera somewhere so you wouldn't need a passenger, unless both of you guys are having passengers, then its all good...good luck!

i was talking to cassiesman but just made it short and said cassie and i wasnt trying to be a dick or anything

I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with rice(er)...

There is the possibility the kid has a hondata tuned b16a2 powered 1999-00 Si model. But that really doesn't make much difference.

Bandit, if you could find out the year of his civic and series number of his engine, it would say a lot...

I can't wait to see this video!
lol well if this makes it better im still in highschool as he is a drop out ;(

lol well if this makes it better im still in highschool as he is a drop out ;(


You're already a winner.

racing for money is the ultimate high, especially when you have a crowd all watching...such a rush!

honestly you will take him no problem if he is telling the truth...

i agree with redneck, you are already a winner for staying in school and honestly if you have almost 400 horses i think you would be able to take him no problem.

I can't wait to see this video...I think you should have him I don't know alot about Hondas but $1000 wouldn't even pay for my heads although he would only have to buy one. Keep in mind to when you race 1 mile aerodynamics are going to play a big part once you get the speed up keep the windows up and try to get rid of unnecessary drag. Good luck.

thanks for all the tips guys...today i changed the plugs, filters, belts, fluids and put on my new headers..im ready for race day :)

You're already a winner.

One of my dad's buisness partners dropped outa highschool...

He's looking at getting a new Porsche 997 Turbo.

On of my best friend's who dropped out is now one of hte chief mechanics at an Audi dealership. My buddy who graduated fourth in our class is working at Mickey D's, and a moving company, and is only a part time student in college.

However, some people do well, others don't. Meh. [/hijack]

Just go race. Nuff said.

I droped out of college and now I work as a rent-a-cop!


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im gonna go cry now :(

thats the beauty of racing for money. you dont know if the guy is b.s.ing or not. if hes a real deal street racer, his car would look completely stock and run 11's. i mean if i had a race for money, i wouldn't not say anything about my car, and in fact i would down play my car like crazy.


I dont know if you could play your car down too much with the fmic smiling at everyone. :D

Not sure the whole dropping out of school thing is a valid arguement. Bill gates dropped out, while George Bush graduated from Yale.

Not sure the whole dropping out of school thing is a valid arguement. Bill gates dropped out, while George Bush graduated from Yale.


True, but look at the majority of the drop outs, and my statement is 95% true.

meh, going to school has nothing to do with your intelligence or your chance of success, it's just to get a piece of paper to say that you have a good memory, i went through high school no problem, never studied once or did one bit of homework, but i got a photographic memory, i'd just sit in class, come test time, i'd remember everything the teacher said in class, and i'd get kick ass marks.

but in the real world, you go up the ladder depending on your intelligence, ambition, attitude, etc. not by what you did in high school.

Ok, I'm not going to read all 5 pages of this because right now I don't have time (so I don't know if anybody has already said this), but please get this on video. That would be bad ass.

True, but look at the majority of the drop outs, and my statement is 95% true.

Oh, of course.

Ok, I'm not going to read all 5 pages of this because right now I don't have time (so I don't know if anybody has already said this), but please get this on video. That would be bad ass.

yup we have decided its a must...

you have to get in the door to climb the ladder

if you cant, you failed before you started. If you don't have that diploma (or GED) than most places wont hire you.

Sidenote...a F18 is flying over me right now...sooooo badass

thanks for all the tips guys...today i changed the plugs, filters, belts, fluids and put on my new headers..im ready for race day :)

Go get him man, and "may the force be with you."

thats the beauty of racing for money. you dont know if the guy is b.s.ing or not. if hes a real deal street racer, his car would look completely stock and run 11's. i mean if i had a race for money, i wouldn't not say anything about my car, and in fact i would down play my car like crazy.



You're right, he could be running something nasty under that hood...OR, he could be just another dumbass kid that thinks his mid 15 sec car is a friggin monster. Either way, there's no telling untill they actually race. The anticipation is killing me! Haha. :lol:

you have to get in the door to climb the ladder

if you cant, you failed before you started. If you don't have that diploma (or GED) than most places wont hire you.

Sidenote...a F18 is flying over me right now...sooooo badass

hmm do i hear the air force calling...


anyway, how the hell did this turn into a life study about high school drop outs? yes there are exceptions, but most people that drop out suck at life and go no where. end of story. and yes high school is easy, thats not the point at all. the point is someone that is gonna go somewhere in life is more likely to stay in school and go to college.

hasn't the race day come and gone?

cant fly...im too tall

I wouldnt fit in the plane :p

i have this thing against dying....

Welp, out of curiosity and one thing I must know. What mods did he have before he blew his engine? What mods did he have on the old one? I'm assuming if he bought a new motor for $500 or so, then it's another single cam (I'm almost 100% sure).

Thus if he did so, he may have had mods on his last motor, and moved those over. What mods he had, I don't know. But I can say I did the same similar thing. Had an ex vtec motor. Blew it, and bought another, slightly more hp, motor. Moved all my parts over, which were Camshaft, cam gears, pulley, intake, exhaust, and header. With that, I was good enough for a low 15, maybe high 14. Now, if he did so, then I'm guessing he's not mentioning the fact that he swapped those parts over. Thus, if he put another grand into that, then I'm sure he could have messed with the Hondata, maybe added some MSD ignition shit, and threw on the nitrous. I bet with that said and done, he'd be running 13's, mid at best.

I'm guessing here, but messing with the Hondata set up isn't exactly necessary with such mods. Plus the cost of nitrous alone is just as much as his cost for the engine. What shot is another thing. But, after all I've said here, the cost would be greater than what he said he spent. He's either a very good bluffer, or truth be told, he just lost $200 to you by running his mouth.

From one Honda guy to you, I can say that you have this in the bag. Especially with a race over a mile long! You've got no worries here. What I said here is possible, but he'd be a liar for telling you what he did. But as Poly has stated numerous times, run what ya brung. I'll say this as well, if his buddy got smoked by you for running his lips, I'm sure he'll get smoked too. I can't see an actual tuner, hanging out with a ricer like his probe buddy. Then again you never know. They could be setting you up for $200.

I can see it now, the probe dude loses for $100. Sets you up with his 12 sec Civic buddy, and BANG!! You just lost $200. Now you're out $200. Him and his buddy split the $200 and they go on to hustle someone else. Meh, I could be wrong. But just be cautious...good luck homes.

race already?

Civracer brings up a good point about the set-up scam thing. But it sounds like Bandit is ready to kick some ass. And I've seen that acceleration video of the TA and I don't think I've ever seen a Civic pin a speedo that fast. LOL

BTW, I did the same thing when my engine blew... switched over all my parts (same stuff as civ actually) only with stock a6 pistons. Honestly, I don't think drop out boy has much of a chance unless he has a snail he's not telling you about...

I don't think I've ever seen a Civic pin a speedo that fast. LOL

you haven't been around long enough then:icon16:

...

Haven't seen you in ages.

race is tonight im in school right now then i got work untill 10 but ill post

......The suspense is killing me!!!!!!

Haven't seen you in ages.

I've been sneaking around, scalping whomever I can here and there.

Ya know? Doing what us injuns do best...:biggrin:

*realises hes not bald...and thus not safe...*

So, who is everybody for? Bandit all the way here. I like the old Trans Ams and I don't care much for civics.

^Of course and if your not a fan of Trans Ams he's still a fellow AF memeber. And if Bandit is back on between now and the race anothere this you could do is I don't know how your belt arangement is on the car but if you have a belt thats just for the AC like mine you could remove it for a few more ponies.

......The suspense is killing me!!!!!!

I hope it lasts. </Willy Wonka>

I can't wait to read this story, should be pretty funny.

dudes probally not gonna show, or not gonna pay up

do what I used to do...bring a maglight! :icon16: or a very large friend or two

dudes probally not gonna show, or not gonna pay up

do what I used to do...bring a maglight! :icon16: or a very large friend or two

Indeed.:nono:

the suspense is killing me. I want bandit to win

Bandit, start a new thread if the race happens... or for updates.