I missed all the good parts in the other thread. Although I can just easily reply, or open the thread, I'll respect Matty's wishes in that one. I'll keep this civil, but brutally honest.

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/ss%5e%5esc/0/14E11B04-56D7-4F78-A396-E1D771957622.htm

First race starts at 65 mph and stops at 130ish. He pulls 2-3 lengths on me within this distance. When you here me shift for the first time it's at 102 mph (3rd-4th gear shift).

My car is the same speed as a stock srt-4 on a roll. Again, I say a stock IX will not pull 3 full lengths on a stock, healthy srt with a good driver within a 30-35 mph gap. My vid does all my talking for me. This is not even a stock IX either, this IX has an EXTRA 40 whp via an ecu flash. Knock 40 whp off this IX and imagine how the race would have gone.

I still ask...what are you guys smoking?

Dude. I talked to Rob about a day or two after the race. Although he was genuinely surprised at how your car kept up, He was letting off after he starts pulling you by an easy 2-3 cars or so. Notice in your first race, he pulled about 5 cars on you then let off. Later on, he chose to lay off the even more, because he thought you got the point: his car can pull on you two ways to Sunday.

Just because you STAYED within the 2-3 cars doesn't mean that is the measure of your car. Your arrogance knows no bounds.

Here, have a look at your first race:

http://el3arb.com/evo-vs-ss1.38.jpg

You guys' start is kinda shaky, so I couldn't pinpoint the exact start time, but looking at the above picture, and below, when he WAS 2-3 cars ahead of you, he pulled at least another 2, before he braked, IN FOUR SECONDS.

http://el3arb.com/evo-vs-ss.jpg

You didn't sound like you were letting off either. I also refuse to believe, as arrogant as you are, that you'd let off at all. You were probably wishing under your breath that somehow, the fabled "AWD roll slow-down" hits him, and you somehow miraculously pass him.

Get this:

HOW DO YOU ARGUE YOUR CAR, THAT HAS NEVER BROKEN 100MPH IN THE 1/4, ACCORDING TO YOUR REPORTING, WILL SOMEHOW KEEP UP WITH A CAR THAT TRAPS 103 TO 105MPH? EVEN THOUGH THIS CAR'S TRAPS ARE LITERALLY HAMPERED BY AWD TRACTION (though it helps overall ET)???

Is this like that Corvette LS1 you "hung" with? :rolleyes:

*sigh*

Whatever boys... I'm staying out of this... Have your fun.

I'm here Arcie, but I'm too tired to fling tampons with you tonight because I was out being the DD for my drunken g/f and her drunken friends.

You better have a full box tomorrow though, cause it's on now, bitch. ;)

Alright Arcie, I'll humor you with a response in this thread you made all for me. (I feel special, I really do :lol:)

I understand he was letting off after a couple lengths or so, as there was no reason to keep going any further for a couple reasons. Reason 1 being that by the time he was ahead of me by a length or so we were absolutely destroying the speed limit. None of the races stopped at anything under 100 mph, even the ones on the surface streets were up to 105-110 and those all started somewhere around 20-40 mph rolls. I Also realize that he was pulling on me fairly well, but what you are failing to realize, or most likely REFUSING to realize is that it took Rob from 40 mph all the way to 110 to get a little over a length on me in the low races. This is a 70 mph time span!

It took Rob from 60-65 mph all the way to 135+ (what do you know, that's still a 70 mph span) to get about three lengths on me during the first highway run. The reason he pulled another two lengths on me within the blink of an eye at the end there is because I did infact shut down once he was 3 or so lengths ahead. I'm no idiot, I knew I had no chance of catching up to him. Hell, the only reason I hung in there so long is because I wanted to see just how far he could run away from me. In the first race you can clearly hear me let off and get on the brakes a good 2-3 seconds before Rob did, just as I was coming up on the car to the right(the car also being a good reason to get on the brakes).

You're still taking what I'm saying an the facts that I'm posting and bringing them completely out of context, dude. You have always done this to me to prove me wrong, and always to no avail.


My point of bringing back up this video whatsoever was to use it as a compare and contrast in the other thread as to whether or not a stock, healthy and well driven Evo IX could pull 3 easy lengths on a stock and healthy, well driven srt-4 within the span of 75-105 mph (30 mph span). Surely if it took Rob from 65-130+ to put the same 3 lengths on me (mind you Robs car isnt stock like the guy's Evo that is on here is) and my car is about the same speed on the highway as a stock, healthy and well driven srt-4 then that would mean that the srt in the story that 3000whatever-his-name-is was running against had some problems or it had a moron for a driver(like my buddy who tried to race me in fourth gear). That's it! This is all I have ever implied and I've used my video and my personal experience of having a car the same speed and almost same gearing as an srt-4 to go along with it. That's it, nothing more, nothing less.

Some people have also gone back on what they have said and stated that maybe the srt shut down after he was pulled on by a length or so, which could be the reason for the Evo's quick 3 lengths. This also goes along with what I've said. If he shuts down right away then he's not racing anymore, which means he's not being pulled on any more.


There is no arrogance here, just a defense mechanism from being e-assaulted by the members of this forum. If you are going to set out and try to make me look like an idiot then I'm damn sure going to defend myself.

Bulldogs car is unusually fast on the highway...i remember when i raced him in the stang. I waited a split second for him to get his revs up and the s/c winding up. I damn near rounded out 4th gear just tryin' to pass him. I did beat him and pass him but, for a 2.0l w/roots typ blower. That shit was quick. Arcie, also consider aero dynamics. Does a cobalt have better aero dynamics than a EVO? I'm not really sure but if it does that might explain why some of his highway runs better than most would think. Which would also negate the fact that he can't trap what the evo does i in a quarter mile because they are way past both there trap speeds anyway. Ok i'm done. just thought i'd share my thoughts and experiences with bulldogs SS/SC. see ya guys around. :)

Bulldogs car is unusually fast on the highway...i remember when i raced him in the stang. I waited a split second for him to get his revs up and the s/c winding up. I damn near rounded out 4th gear just tryin' to pass him. I did beat him and pass him but, for a 2.0l w/roots typ blower. That shit was quick. Arcie, also consider aero dynamics. Does a cobalt have better aero dynamics than a EVO? I'm not really sure but if it does that might explain why some of his highway runs better than most would think. Which would also negate the fact that he can't trap what the evo does i in a quarter mile because they are way past both there trap speeds anyway. Ok i'm done. just thought i'd share my thoughts and experiences with bulldogs SS/SC. see ya guys around. :)


Hey Brandon! Long time no see, dude, it's good to hear from you again.

You've got a good point there too, aerodynamics do play a big roll after 100 mph.

You're coming back soon arent you? When you do be sure to get a hold of me. Stay safe dude.

well i'm nuetral here, but like what youngvr4 said, a EVO has a Cd. of .37, and so does a SRT-4 which is what we were originally talkin about. so no the SRT4 does not have any aerodynamic advantage over the EVO.

A few things. SRT-4s are dogs in 4th gear. They hit 4th and they hit a wall. anything after 85 or so comes slowly in a stock SRT4.


and my car is about the same speed on the highway as a stock, healthy and well driven srt-4 then that would mean that the srt in the story that 3000whatever-his-name-is was running against had some problems or it had a moron for a driver(like my buddy who tried to race me in fourth gear).


And Cobalt SS/SC's are NOT as fast as a stock SRT-4. I've NEVER heard anything about a SRT-4 losing to a Cobalt SS/SC (drivers being equal). Hell, most can barely keep up with SRT-4s.

And that Evo in the video was simply murdering you, it wasn't even a close race.

From an 80+ roll I can definatly seeing a stock Evo XI putting 3 cars on a stock SRT-4.

A few things. SRT-4s are dogs in 4th gear. They hit 4th and they hit a wall. anything after 85 or so comes slowly in a stock SRT4.




And Cobalt SS/SC's are NOT as fast as a stock SRT-4. I've NEVER heard anything about a SRT-4 losing to a Cobalt SS/SC (drivers being equal). Hell, most can barely keep up with SRT-4s.

And that Evo in the video was simply murdering you, it wasn't even a close race.

From an 80+ roll I can definatly seeing a stock Evo XI putting 3 cars on a stock SRT-4.


You're right, the Evo did pull on me well. But it took from 65 mph to well over 100 (about 110-115) to get one full length on my car. Look at the first highway run I did against the Evo. I start out in 3rd gear @ 65 mph. Then listen for my first shift (from 3rd to 4th gear), that shift is at 102 mph. Now look where the Evo is compared to my car at 102 mph. He hasnt even gotten his rear bumper away from my front bumper. This alone is a span of 37 mph (65-102 mph) I don't see a three length gap, do you? No. So if my car which you are saying is SLOWER than an srt on a roll is at MODDED Evo's rear bumper then the srt should be even closer to the Evo's front bumper than I am, which means there is no 3 length gap. Which is what I've been saying the entire time in the last 2 threads and all of my posts.

You're right, the Evo did pull on me well. But it took from 65 mph to well over 100 (about 110-115) to get one full length on my car. Look at the first highway run I did against the Evo. I start out in 3rd gear @ 65 mph. Then listen for my first shift (from 3rd to 4th gear), that shift is at 102 mph. Now look where the Evo is compared to my car at 102 mph. He hasnt even gotten his rear bumper away from my front bumper. This alone is a span of 37 mph (65-102 mph) I don't see a three length gap, do you? No. So if my car which you are saying is SLOWER than an srt on a roll is at MODDED Evo's rear bumper then the srt should be even closer to the Evo's front bumper than I am, which means there is no 3 length gap. Which is what I've been saying the entire time in the last 2 threads and all of my posts.

And in the 2nd race you get the jump and he still puts over 3 cars on you when you shift into what I assume is 4th. Also the car in the SRT4 race is an RS, which weighs about 200lbs less than a regular XI. And there is the fact of different drivers, and different temperatures, and so many variables. Also the race in question is from an 80mph roll, not a 65. That is a huge difference with different cars.

A high 13 second car at best against a high 12s car is no match. Also why do you keep comparing your car to an SRT-4? A SS/SC isn't even on the same table as a SRT-4 when they dont even break into the 13s stock. Hell a low 14 is a miracle.

Also why do you keep comparing your car to an SRT-4? A SS/SC isn't even on the same table as a SRT-4 when they dont even break into the 13s stock. Hell a low 14 is a miracle.

His car is magic SS, where somehow it surpasses it's own track-recorded capabilities (high 14's 98-99mph traps) on the highway, because he wills it to. :eek:

His car is magic SS, where somehow it surpasses it's own track-recorded capabilities (high 14's 98-99mph traps) on the highway, because he wills it to. :eek:


I am one with the Force. :lol:

And in the 2nd race you get the jump and he still puts over 3 cars on you when you shift into what I assume is 4th. Also the car in the SRT4 race is an RS, which weighs about 200lbs less than a regular XI. And there is the fact of different drivers, and different temperatures, and so many variables. Also the race in question is from an 80mph roll, not a 65. That is a huge difference with different cars.

A high 13 second car at best against a high 12s car is no match. Also why do you keep comparing your car to an SRT-4? A SS/SC isn't even on the same table as a SRT-4 when they dont even break into the 13s stock. Hell a low 14 is a miracle.


Uhh, I got no such jump on him in the 2nd race and when I shifted to 4th @102 mph he was bearly a length ahead of me, if that. Are you even watching the same video that I posted??? Also remember, this is NOT and I repeat, NOT a stock Evo like the one on this forum. This one has 40 whp more than stock. That goes a long way.

Also, you saying that my car is way slower on a roll than a stock srt-4 just further adds to my thoery that a stock IX can't pull 3 lengths on a stock srt-4 within a 30-35 mph gap. Thanks for the help.

We should have a debate thread for the SR forum or how much arguing there has been. Let them duke it out in seperate thread. Just an idea.

this is what makes this section so great....if everyone said good kill in every thread posted 1. you know its BS and 2. whats the fun in saying good kill all day........alittle thoughtful opinions dont hurt.....unless you get the internet drive by.....or round housed by chuck him self.....

this is what makes this section so great....if everyone said good kill in every thread posted 1. you know its BS and 2. whats the fun in saying good kill all day........alittle thoughtful opinions dont hurt.....unless you get the internet drive by.....or round housed by chuck him self.....


I would love to have the honor of the Norris roundhouse to the face. :lol:

A few things. SRT-4s are dogs in 4th gear. They hit 4th and they hit a wall. anything after 85 or so comes slowly in a stock SRT4.



:screwy:

I would love to have the honor of the Norris roundhouse to the face. :lol:

no you wouldnt cause if that happend you would get knock back in time and have to fight dinosaurs to stay alive.....:nono:

:screwy:

I was thinking the same thing.....my fourth sure seems strong to me....

from the token srt guy. the stock ix will beat a stock srt from a dig AND from a roll. no question asked. now, when you start adding mods, things change, but mod for mod, the ix is still superior. if God were to drive a new sport compact, he would drive an EVO IX

from the token srt guy. the stock ix will beat a stock srt from a dig AND from a roll. no question asked. now, when you start adding mods, things change, but mod for mod, the ix is still superior. if God were to drive a new sport compact, he would drive an EVO IX

But, but...

Cobalt SS with an intake = "barely" pulled on by an IX with an ECU flash
• Therefore the Cobalt SS with an intake would match a stock IX.

Cobalt SS with an intake = just as fast as a stock SRT-4
• Therefore a stock SRT-4 should match a stock IX

Right? http://el3arb.com/sarcasm.gif

What is it about Chevy compacts (Cavalier, and now Cobalt), that strips people of not only logic, but the ability to view any other outcome besides one of their own interpretation? Trust me, I've had personal experience: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=158996*


*locked, so that it doesn't get inadvertently get brought back to life.

You know, I read part of the other locked thread but when I saw that Carrrnuttt posted in here it told me one thing...somebody is arguing with him who is absolutely dead wrong. From what I've seen, he just wouldn't bother if that weren't the case. So instead of talking about a specific race on a specific stretch of road between two specific drivers in two specific cars, I'll offers some first hand knowledge. I've owned both cars...an '04 SRT-4 with stage 2 and 3" TBE and currently an '05 Evo VIII RS with 3" TBE and EcuTek flash and dynotune from Gruppe-S. Listen up...

I've seen the dyno charts. I'm talked to tuners. The '06 Evo IX comes from the factory with roughly the same power as an '03/'04 Evo VIII with a flash and CB exhaust. Wow! On a dynojet dyno we're talking roughly 270whp, give or take 5-8whp. The '05 Evo VIII has a bigger hotside on the turbo and a slightly more aggressive tune than the '03/'04 Evo VIII so it gets to about 270whp with just a flash. Bottom line...the IX puts down upwards of 20whp over the Evo VIII.

In my bone stock '05 RS (1200 miles on the clock), I put about 2 car lengths on my buddy Rich's '04 SRT-4 with stage 1 and Mopar 2.5" exhaust. Both cars pulled hard, but I would make up ground whenever he shifted because of the higher redline. We raced from about 65mph to 110mph. We ran the cars a bunch of times. The results were consistent. He'd done a boost leak check about 3 weeks before our runs. My car was new. We both had about 1/4 tank of gas and no passengers.

Flash-forward to 2006...

the Evo IX RS still weighs less than all the other Evos, but now it's putting down an extra 10-20whp off the showroom floor compared to its '05 Evo VIII predeccesor. Tell me how an '06 Evo IX RS couldn't and shouldn't walk a stock SRT-4 on the highway when the less powerfull '05 Evo VIII RS pulls on a slightly modded SRT-4 (stage 1 and 2.5" CB exhaust)?

And please don't talk to me about driver skill, modding potential, boost leaks or anything else designed to confuse the issue. This ain't the OJ trial. I've been on either end of these races, whether driving my old sartee4 or my current Evo, and it's not complicated.

^ Booya.

You know, I read part of the other locked thread but when I saw that Carrrnuttt posted in here it told me one thing...somebody is arguing with him who is absolutely dead wrong. From what I've seen, he just wouldn't bother if that weren't the case. So instead of talking about a specific race on a specific stretch of road between two specific drivers in two specific cars, I'll offers some first hand knowledge. I've owned both cars...an '04 SRT-4 with stage 2 and 3" TBE and currently an '05 Evo VIII RS with 3" TBE and EcuTek flash and dynotune from Gruppe-S. Listen up...

I've seen the dyno charts. I'm talked to tuners. The '06 Evo IX comes from the factory with roughly the same power as an '03/'04 Evo VIII with a flash and CB exhaust. Wow! On a dynojet dyno we're talking roughly 270whp, give or take 5-8whp. The '05 Evo VIII has a bigger hotside on the turbo and a slightly more aggressive tune than the '03/'04 Evo VIII so it gets to about 270whp with just a flash. Bottom line...the IX puts down upwards of 20whp over the Evo VIII.

In my bone stock '05 RS (1200 miles on the clock), I put about 2 car lengths on my buddy Rich's '04 SRT-4 with stage 1 and Mopar 2.5" exhaust. Both cars pulled hard, but I would make up ground whenever he shifted because of the higher redline. We raced from about 65mph to 110mph. We ran the cars a bunch of times. The results were consistent. He'd done a boost leak check about 3 weeks before our runs. My car was new. We both had about 1/4 tank of gas and no passengers.

Flash-forward to 2006...

the Evo IX RS still weighs less than all the other Evos, but now it's putting down an extra 10-20whp off the showroom floor compared to its '05 Evo VIII predeccesor. Tell me how an '06 Evo IX RS couldn't and shouldn't walk a stock SRT-4 on the highway when the less powerfull '05 Evo VIII RS pulls on a slightly modded SRT-4 (stage 1 and 2.5" CB exhaust)?

And please don't talk to me about driver skill, modding potential, boost leaks or anything else designed to confuse the issue. This ain't the OJ trial. I've been on either end of these races, whether driving my old sartee4 or my current Evo, and it's not complicated.
I like it when people make shit simple.

"but if but if but if but if..." :rolleyes:

On the street anything can happen that's, imo, the only reason why you get mixed results between the evo and srt-4. Put two equal drivers in both and the evo would own in every aspect. They're not even two comparable cars.

You know, I read part of the other locked thread but when I saw that Carrrnuttt posted in here it told me one thing...somebody is arguing with him who is absolutely dead wrong. From what I've seen, he just wouldn't bother if that weren't the case. So instead of talking about a specific race on a specific stretch of road between two specific drivers in two specific cars, I'll offers some first hand knowledge. I've owned both cars...an '04 SRT-4 with stage 2 and 3" TBE and currently an '05 Evo VIII RS with 3" TBE and EcuTek flash and dynotune from Gruppe-S. Listen up...

I've seen the dyno charts. I'm talked to tuners. The '06 Evo IX comes from the factory with roughly the same power as an '03/'04 Evo VIII with a flash and CB exhaust. Wow! On a dynojet dyno we're talking roughly 270whp, give or take 5-8whp. The '05 Evo VIII has a bigger hotside on the turbo and a slightly more aggressive tune than the '03/'04 Evo VIII so it gets to about 270whp with just a flash. Bottom line...the IX puts down upwards of 20whp over the Evo VIII.

In my bone stock '05 RS (1200 miles on the clock), I put about 2 car lengths on my buddy Rich's '04 SRT-4 with stage 1 and Mopar 2.5" exhaust. Both cars pulled hard, but I would make up ground whenever he shifted because of the higher redline. We raced from about 65mph to 110mph. We ran the cars a bunch of times. The results were consistent. He'd done a boost leak check about 3 weeks before our runs. My car was new. We both had about 1/4 tank of gas and no passengers.

Flash-forward to 2006...

the Evo IX RS still weighs less than all the other Evos, but now it's putting down an extra 10-20whp off the showroom floor compared to its '05 Evo VIII predeccesor. Tell me how an '06 Evo IX RS couldn't and shouldn't walk a stock SRT-4 on the highway when the less powerfull '05 Evo VIII RS pulls on a slightly modded SRT-4 (stage 1 and 2.5" CB exhaust)?

And please don't talk to me about driver skill, modding potential, boost leaks or anything else designed to confuse the issue. This ain't the OJ trial. I've been on either end of these races, whether driving my old sartee4 or my current Evo, and it's not complicated.

I hate the what if and but if and unless excuses too. Of couse my n/a 3kgt could beat any evo if I had enough mods. But it doesn't. Car for car the evo is faster. More expensive, but faster.

Both the SRT4 and Evo are considered sport compact cars. That is why there lots of comparisons between them. Even though they are in different price ranges and different drivetrains. Them both being sport compacts makes them competition for each other. On a side note: there are far to many variables on the street for us to be arguing about 1,2,3 or 4 car lengths. Lets just let this crap die.

from the token srt guy. the stock ix will beat a stock srt from a dig AND from a roll. no question asked. now, when you start adding mods, things change, but mod for mod, the ix is still superior. if God were to drive a new sport compact, he would drive an EVO IX

First of all your not the token skittle guy......I am:wink: .....all the anti-skittle guys love to hate me....do I care.....no...well as long as I know chuck....anyways its obvious to see where this is going....pretty much nowhere.....neither side of both partys are going to change thier minds.......meaning carnut or bulldog......but I would like to add qoute me if you will coming straight from the token skittle guy....A STOCK EVO 9 WILL BEAT A STOCK SRT-4 NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT AND I AGREE 100%.....but what I dont agree is by how much in one gear.....at a certain mph....and then again thats my :2cents:

your very reasonable^^ that i could understand

but to think there dead even from a roll lol

your very reasonable^^ that i could understand

but to think there dead even from a roll lol

sarcastic are we....lol....even though skittles are at best from a roll......THE EVO 9 WILL STILL BEAT THE SRT-4 AGAIN NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.........its just a matter of how much by what gear and at what mph.....I mean these people are right....the evo 9 and the srt-4 are not even in each others classes its obvious........the evo 9 is in competition with cars in the $30,000 range as where the srt-4 is in competition with the $20,000 range thats a $10,000 difference in money and cars.....and for a car that is not even in the evos class does pretty good in my book....but thats another discussion....carry on....hehe

To make this fair, let's even the prices (just for kicks). Take an SRT-4 and an EVO. Put in aftermarket mods in the SRT-4 until it has the same amount of money spent as the EVO. Run with that one 209.

i wasnt bieng sarcastic, i was serious, your reasonable!

its just my man bulldog i was speaking about. his commment about them bieng even

and yes the srt-4 is the best speed for the buck at a full price look at things


but you got a car thats 3000 more dollars then the srt-4 thats faster, the mustang gt
you got the transam that was 26, and breaks 12's

there are some others in its range. but as far as dollar for the speed. brand new, i think the srt-4 is the winner

but thats another discusion

To make this fair, let's even the prices (just for kicks). Take an SRT-4 and an EVO. Put in aftermarket mods in the SRT-4 until it has the same amount of money spent as the EVO. Run with that one 209.

:nono: we cant do that cause that will be a ''WHAT IF''.....kind of situation eveyone is talking about and NOBODY WANTS THAT RIGHT......so lets just stick to the story cause going this route is another disscusion....

:rolleyes: = this thread.

i wasnt bieng sarcastic, i was serious, your reasonable!

its just my man bulldog i was speaking about. his commment about them bieng even

and yes the srt-4 is the best speed for the buck at a full price look at things


but you got a car thats 3000 more dollars then the srt-4 thats faster, the mustang gt
you got the transam that was 26, and breaks 12's

there are some others in its range. but as far as dollar for the speed. brand new, i think the srt-4 is the winner

but thats another discusion

I know Im just messin with you...I agree with you...but I was leaning to cars more like the rsx-s, cobalt ss, ion redline, wrx and such....you know where Im getting at right.....

guys love to hate me....


Yup, I hate you. But it's not because you drive a skittle.


It's...because....of.....your......damn........... ..................DOTS!!!!!!!!



:lol:

Yup, I hate you. But it's not because you drive a skittle.


It's...because....of.....your......damn........... ..................DOTS!!!!!!!!



:lol:

so I hate you too.......not cause you drive a cobalt....its because its brighter than the solar sun......lol:smokin: :eek:

I was thinking the same thing.....my fourth sure seems strong to me....

It is alot slower than your 2nd and 3rd though. Maybe my best friend has a factory un-freak or something. Cause when we hit about 85 in that thing it starts to climb alot slower than it was before that. I may have overstated by saying it's a dog, but there is a big difference in the acceleration when we get to the higher speeds. Oh well, it is making him want stage II and stuff all that much more (which in turn will make me get a cam and shit sooner to keep up!). He hates it when my auto walks him up top.

Even though they are in different price ranges...

I keep seeing this argument. About the SRT, the new Vette, everything. All the owners brag about is "I paid less". Who the fuck cares how much you spent on a car. If you loose you loose. End of story.

well also price has to do with more than just speed obviously

if one pays more for the look or luxury o fthe car or anything else, then thats what they paid for.
even when i bought my car. i did not buy my car for the speed, i bought it cause of the look and the fact i had been in love with the car since i was little.

:nono: we cant do that cause that will be a ''WHAT IF''.....kind of situation eveyone is talking about and NOBODY WANTS THAT RIGHT......so lets just stick to the story cause going this route is another disscusion....

Heh, I know, I was being somewhat sarcastic. I just like to see you once you get on a roll with something. :iceslolan

You know, I read part of the other locked thread but when I saw that Carrrnuttt posted in here it told me one thing...somebody is arguing with him who is absolutely dead wrong. From what I've seen, he just wouldn't bother if that weren't the case. So instead of talking about a specific race on a specific stretch of road between two specific drivers in two specific cars, I'll offers some first hand knowledge. I've owned both cars...an '04 SRT-4 with stage 2 and 3" TBE and currently an '05 Evo VIII RS with 3" TBE and EcuTek flash and dynotune from Gruppe-S. Listen up...

I've seen the dyno charts. I'm talked to tuners. The '06 Evo IX comes from the factory with roughly the same power as an '03/'04 Evo VIII with a flash and CB exhaust. Wow! On a dynojet dyno we're talking roughly 270whp, give or take 5-8whp. The '05 Evo VIII has a bigger hotside on the turbo and a slightly more aggressive tune than the '03/'04 Evo VIII so it gets to about 270whp with just a flash. Bottom line...the IX puts down upwards of 20whp over the Evo VIII.

In my bone stock '05 RS (1200 miles on the clock), I put about 2 car lengths on my buddy Rich's '04 SRT-4 with stage 1 and Mopar 2.5" exhaust. Both cars pulled hard, but I would make up ground whenever he shifted because of the higher redline. We raced from about 65mph to 110mph. We ran the cars a bunch of times. The results were consistent. He'd done a boost leak check about 3 weeks before our runs. My car was new. We both had about 1/4 tank of gas and no passengers.

Flash-forward to 2006...

the Evo IX RS still weighs less than all the other Evos, but now it's putting down an extra 10-20whp off the showroom floor compared to its '05 Evo VIII predeccesor. Tell me how an '06 Evo IX RS couldn't and shouldn't walk a stock SRT-4 on the highway when the less powerfull '05 Evo VIII RS pulls on a slightly modded SRT-4 (stage 1 and 2.5" CB exhaust)?

And please don't talk to me about driver skill, modding potential, boost leaks or anything else designed to confuse the issue. This ain't the OJ trial. I've been on either end of these races, whether driving my old sartee4 or my current Evo, and it's not complicated.

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!! its my boy stiener!!! whats going on my friend. long time no see! i would give my left nut AND my neon for an ix!!!

I dont know...SRT's pull about the same till about 100 from my experience. But then again I have only raced various levels of modded ones. The least being full exaust and intake upgrades (filter...thats it).

But once they get about that high they just level out....and dont go anywhere. So I could see a completly stock SRT4 dying at 85 I suppose...

I keep seeing this argument. About the SRT, the new Vette, everything. All the owners brag about is "I paid less". Who the fuck cares how much you spent on a car. If you loose you loose. End of story.

:wtf: ......

Heh, I know, I was being somewhat sarcastic. I just like to see you once you get on a roll with something. :iceslolan

I know, I know I just wanted to say that to the others that cry when people talk about what ifs.....

Hey, 209...what rpm range does 75 mph put you at in 3rd gear? this puts my Cobalt around 4500-5000 revs or so.

I wonder what rpm range 4th gear has the Evo sitting in at the same speed as well. 5 spd gear box of course.

:wtf: ......

Most people here, or at least people that have been here a while, know that I'm a strong supporter of the SRT-4. However, CassiesMan is right. Who cares how much you spent on your car, if you lost you lost. It's pretty cut and dry.

Most people here, or at least people that have been here a while, know that I'm a strong supporter of the SRT-4. However, CassiesMan is right. Who cares how much you spent on your car, if you lost you lost. It's pretty cut and dry.

I agree......but as far as saying who cares how much you spent on your car if you lost you lost....is just stupied....there are going to be excuses wether or not its legit or bs......not alot of people suck up loses and take them as they come.....personaly I could careless if I get spanked by a car that has more money put in to it than I do.....and yes I lost pretty cut and dry.....but yeah I will let it be known that money = mods and mods = faster car......and please dont tell me that saying is supposed to be used in every race/street race cause the people that say that.....you know damn well they dont practice what they preach......cause if cassies got burned by a riced out festiva with alot of money put in to it in front of alot of people.......you know that "WHO CARES HOW MUCH MONEY YOU SPENT ON YOUR CAR, IF YOU LOST YOU LOST" ....isnt going to be the first thing he says......and pretty much whom ever has the money is going to be the fastest and thats cut and dry.....

[QUOTE=BullDog71ss]Hey, 209...what rpm range does 75 mph put you at in 3rd gear? this puts my Cobalt around 4500-5000 revs or so.

I wonder what rpm range 4th gear has the Evo sitting in at the same speed as well. 5 spd gear box of course.

not really sure cause I really dont pay attention but I think its the same as yours but I know my gears are alot shorter now than my first gen.......

I agree......but as far as saying who cares how much you spent on your car if you lost you lost....is just stupied....there are going to be excuses wether or not its legit or bs......not alot of people suck up loses and take them as they come.....personaly I could careless if I get spanked by a car that has more money put in to it than I do.....and yes I lost pretty cut and dry.....but yeah I will let it be known that money = mods and mods = faster car......and please dont tell me that saying is supposed to be used in every race/street race cause the people that say that.....you know damn well they dont practice what they preach......cause if cassies got burned by a riced out festiva with alot of money put in to it in front of alot of people.......you know that "WHO CARES HOW MUCH MONEY YOU SPENT ON YOUR CAR, IF YOU LOST YOU LOST" ....isnt going to be the first thing he says......and pretty much whom ever has the money is going to be the fastest and thats cut and dry.....

only panzy's act like that. i lost to a integra that was obviosly modded. did i complain?? i lost to a 300zxtt and a rx-7tt.

some tried to complain for me and said nitrous is cheating, i said its completly fair, as its a mod as anything else is

its not about complaining its about stating the obvious.....

[QUOTE=BullDog71ss]Hey, 209...what rpm range does 75 mph put you at in 3rd gear? this puts my Cobalt around 4500-5000 revs or so.

I wonder what rpm range 4th gear has the Evo sitting in at the same speed as well. 5 spd gear box of course.

not really sure cause I really dont pay attention but I think its the same as yours but I know my gears are alot shorter now than my first gen.......


You guys finish the 1/4 mile somewhere near the top of third when stock right?

its not about complaining its about stating the obvious.....

understood

but at the same time, its like an insult to state it when talking to knowledgeable people

honestly, if you raced a 96 civic and lost on a roll by 3 cars
and lets say its me redneck tv tatt cassie carrrnuttt and mrlous

do you really think you need to say "it was modded to hell!!"?????

as if we dont already know the obvious?

Wow...this thread has really strayed from it's origional intention.

lol i know

Wow...this thread has really strayed from it's origional intention.

its ok cause Id like to see something with more than five pages....lol

understood

but at the same time, its like an insult to state it when talking to knowledgeable people

honestly, if you raced a 96 civic and lost on a roll by 3 cars
and lets say its me redneck tv tatt cassie carrrnuttt and mrlous

do you really think you need to say "it was modded to hell!!"?????

as if we dont already know the obvious?

yes I know but its not directed to you knowledgeable people......lol....to tell you the truth I dont even know why we are talking about this....I mean how did stating a evo in the $30,000 car range and a srt-4 being in the $20,000 car range ended up here.....nobodys crying about that.....but there is a reason why the evo is faster and $10,000 is the obvious.....I know you guys know that....just dont see whos crying about it...

could my car beat a new mustang? Yes?

How much more do they cost?

Money isnt everything, its how you spend it that counts.

yes I know but its not directed to you knowledgeable people......lol....to tell you the truth I dont even know why we are talking about this....I mean how did stating a evo in the $30,000 car range and a srt-4 being in the $20,000 car range ended up here.....nobodys crying about that.....but there is a reason why the evo is faster and $10,000 is the obvious.....I know you guys know that....just dont see whos crying about it...


Yeah, it's probably a bit faster on a roll...but not 3 lengths in 30 mph faster ;)

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!! its my boy stiener!!! whats going on my friend. long time no see! i would give my left nut AND my neon for an ix!!!
Hey Tex how ya been? Yeah the IX is pretty nice. Really nice. It's 95% the turbo and about 5% the MIVEC though that accounts for the higher peak power over the VIII. My Evo is being retired from daily driving duties here pretty quick. When that happens, in goes a 20G IX. :evillol:

What have you done to the SRT-4 lately. Last time we talked you had just added cams. Good to hear from you man. I've pretty much lost track of all the other local SRT-4 guys.

Hey, 209...what rpm range does 75 mph put you at in 3rd gear? this puts my Cobalt around 4500-5000 revs or so.

I wonder what rpm range 4th gear has the Evo sitting in at the same speed as well. 5 spd gear box of course.
In 4th gear in the Evo I'm doing about 4k RPM's at 60mph. IIRC my SRT-4 did about 3k RPM's at 60mph in 4th gear. Keep in mind that the 5 speed in the IX is geared even lower than the 5 speed in the VIII.

could my car beat a new mustang? Yes?

How much more do they cost?

Money isnt everything, its how you spend it that counts.


I'd take a new GT over the Relic any day of the week though, regaurdless of the difference in speed. The new Mustang is such a nice car to drive. The manual tranny is actually very nice as well, which is odd for a Mustang.

And I would take a Lambo over a new gt :rolleyes: thats not the point bro.

You said money wins, thats not true at all. Infact spending lots of money onto a car can yield no gains if its not the right parts.

And I did not build the Z to be an every day car. Right now it is as I fix the brakes on my truck, no brakes is a bad thing :icon16:

yes I know but its not directed to you knowledgeable people......lol....to tell you the truth I dont even know why we are talking about this....I mean how did stating a evo in the $30,000 car range and a srt-4 being in the $20,000 car range ended up here.....nobodys crying about that.....but there is a reason why the evo is faster and $10,000 is the obvious.....I know you guys know that....just dont see whos crying about it...

i never said you were crying about it!!!

just havin a cool convo with you, i learned something from you and hopefully you from me.
i say the knowledgeable already know(so you know were i'm coming from)
and you say its not for the knowledgeable people lol. i understand for those who dont know its cool to speak on it in case they get the dumb idea that, hey a civic can beat a srt-4, just in case we have some ricers in here :cwm27:

:owned:

TV your my best friend :) :lol:

guys:disappoin i ate a weed browny and i'm as high as a kite:iceslolan :rofl: :rofl: :evillol: :banghead: :grinyes:

:thumbsup: im crazy due to shit in my life making me just as high...such as sickness and sleep depeveration!

Lets go racing!

Hah.

Just got done talking to Rob just now. Posting this as he is stepping out of my offices.

Bulldog, Rob's tune was to tune the MIVEC. It didn't do anything to raise boost, as Al, the tuner, wanted Rob to override the boost taper using a boost controller, which he didn't have at the time of the race. At the time of your last race, he was on his stock 19psi which then tapers to about 16psi near redline. He was basically almost stock as his car wasn't hooked up to the controller Al used when tuning his car. So not only was he letting off early, but he was basically stock during the runs.

Well, he has a boost controller now, which allows him to utilize the full force of the tuning, and the actual 40whp gains the tune made during his dyno-sessions.

He said he is willing if you want to see how the full-tuning runs.

And I would take a Lambo over a new gt :rolleyes: thats not the point bro.

You said money wins, thats not true at all. Infact spending lots of money onto a car can yield no gains if its not the right parts.

And I did not build the Z to be an every day car. Right now it is as I fix the brakes on my truck, no brakes is a bad thing :icon16:


I said money wins??? Whaaaa?

I love it how words keep getting put in my mouth by like...everyone on this forum. Anyway...

Sure, spending money can yield no gains...if you buy exterior/interior parts. Or if you buy superturbonoserboosters off ebay.

But who said anything about buying the wrong parts in the first place? And who brought up price???
This thread was mad soley for one purpose and that's for Arcie to fling tampons at me.

Hah.

Just got done talking to Rob just now. Posting this as he is stepping out of my offices.

Bulldog, Rob's tune was to tune the MIVEC. It didn't do anything to raise boost, as Al, the tuner, wanted Rob to override the boost taper using a boost controller, which he didn't have at the time of the race. At the time of your last race, he was on his stock 19psi which then tapers to about 16psi near redline. He was basically almost stock as his car wasn't hooked up to the controller Al used when tuning his car. So not only was he letting off early, but he was basically stock during the runs.

Well, he has a boost controller now, which allows him to utilize the full force of the tuning, and the actual 40whp gains the tune made during his dyno-sessions.

He said he is willing if you want to see how the full-tuning runs.


I know it didn't raise his boost at at, he told me this that night. Where have you been? He also told me it was a dyno proven 40whp with the tune he currently had. Maybe he was mistaken? I dunno.

I would also love to run him again. He's a very cool guy and it'll be just as fun this time as it was last time.

Also, if his car was running exactly like stock and it really does pull that fast without any help, then even more props to the Evo IX. But it's still not pulling 3 lengths in 30 mph (just to stick to the origional arguement of this stupid thread.)

run em again :rolleyes:

I love it how words keep getting put in my mouth by like...everyone on this forum. Anyway...





-Jayson- is my god and the coolest guy in the world. His car is so much faster than my car, man i wish i could be like jayson. Today i killed a puppy with a baseball bat. . .



still love having wrods put in your mouth?

i missed this whole thread. . .to damn busy lately. But honestly Bulldog, you dont really have anything to brag about. Your still a mid-high 14 second car that lost to a high 12 second car. And we all know, "It doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, any real racer will tell you that"

I agree......but as far as saying who cares how much you spent on your car if you lost you lost....is just stupied....there are going to be excuses wether or not its legit or bs......not alot of people suck up loses and take them as they come.....personaly I could careless if I get spanked by a car that has more money put in to it than I do.....and yes I lost pretty cut and dry.....but yeah I will let it be known that money = mods and mods = faster car......and please dont tell me that saying is supposed to be used in every race/street race cause the people that say that.....you know damn well they dont practice what they preach......cause if cassies got burned by a riced out festiva with alot of money put in to it in front of alot of people.......you know that "WHO CARES HOW MUCH MONEY YOU SPENT ON YOUR CAR, IF YOU LOST YOU LOST" ....isnt going to be the first thing he says......and pretty much whom ever has the money is going to be the fastest and thats cut and dry.....

Ok, after trying to decipher whatever the hell you just said, I can say a few things...

1)I've gotten my shit smoked plenty of times by people who have pos cars with plenty of work. And I man up and deal with it. I've had my shit stomped by swapped Tegs, beat up looking 240s with hella SR20s, and more. And I will admit it. When I loose, I loose, when I win, I win. I've beaten cars with more money, and lost to cars with less money. Racing is fucking straight up. If you win you win, you loose you loose, nuff said. None of this bullshit "If i had more mods," or "he spent more money". Thats it.

2)Say you race an Enzo, and you get your shit stomped hard. You think that the guy in the Prancin' Horse gives two shits that his car cost so damned much and he beat a Neon? No. All he knows and cares is that he won. Game over playa'. And if you beat him, then yeah, maybe hes a bitch and fucking flip out that his super car got beat by a Neon. Or maybe he'll man up, say he lost, and go out and put some more money in his car. Remeber this fact-any time you run up on someone with what we all would consider a super car, even if you win, always remeber that if they want, they can go alot faster.

3)Bulldog, they are right. You lost to a Evo from a roll. Who the fuck cares what he had done to his Evo. He could be Chris outa PCola. HE could just have a TBE. He could be stock. He could have millions of dollars invested into his ride. You raced him, you lost. No excuses. No "if I had this" or "if he didn't have this." You lost. Put more money into your car, run him again, and see how it goes. No argument needed.

Ima let you and carnut dish it out to each other all you want. You can interpret the race how you want to. But what -Jayson-, and unfortunately Vin in TF&TF, said is true. It doesn't fucking matter how much you win or loose by. All that matters is if you win or loose.

run em again :rolleyes:


I plan on it...only this time I think I may need a superturbonoserbooster to make up the difference from his newly installed boost controller. :lol:


His car should really get a nice jump in power from the added psi.

still love having wrods put in your mouth?

i missed this whole thread. . .to damn busy lately. But honestly Bulldog, you dont really have anything to brag about. Your still a mid-high 14 second car that lost to a high 12 second car. And we all know, "It doesnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile, any real racer will tell you that"



I havent bragged about anything at all. I'm using my car and my video as a comparison to an srt and an Evo IX. It doesnt make sense if you start in this thread first. Go read the thread called Evo IX Vs. Srt-4. It's a few threads down. Then read all this and it'll make a bit more sense.


...and stop putting words in my mouth!!! :lol:

Ok, after trying to decipher whatever the hell you just
3)Bulldog, they are right. You lost to a Evo from a roll. Who the fuck cares what he had done to his Evo. He could be Chris outa PCola. HE could just have a TBE. He could be stock. He could have millions of dollars invested into his ride. You raced him, you lost. No excuses. No "if I had this" or "if he didn't have this." You lost. Put more money into your car, run him again, and see how it goes. No argument needed.

Ima let you and carnut dish it out to each other all you want. You can interpret the race how you want to. But what -Jayson-, and unfortunately Vin in TF&TF, said is true. It doesn't fucking matter how much you win or loose by. All that matters is if you win or loose.


It still seems a lot of you are missing the point of this entire 5 page rant(which I did not start up) as well as the 4 or 5 pages in the thread that was shut down by Matt.

I am not and have not made excusses as to why I lost to the Evo IX. I went into that race KNOWING I'd lose but at the end was happy with how well my car did against the modded Evo and Rob (Evo owner) was also surprised at how well I did with my car and it's minimal mods. The only reason I brought up my old race was for video evidance purposes. If the somewhat modded Evo isn't pulling 3 lengths within a 30 mph gap (75-105 mph) on me, then how is a bone stock IX going to do that to an Srt-4 with a compitant driver. 3full lengths within that short amount of time is really just a massive gap.

I say the idiot in the srt-4 that got pulled on so hard was trying to race in
4th gear, just like my idiot friend did when he was racing me. I did literally pull 3 lengths on him in the span of just over 35 mph. If he would have dropped it down into 3rd like a smart person then he would have been pulling on me.

That's all this entire thread of bullshit is about. One little comment I made that caused a bunch of people to flip out and brand me and idiot and to try and prove me wrong. Which none of them have yet to accomplish. I've seen a bunch of posted mag stats, I've heard a bunch of stories and it's all bullshit untill you have proof. And I do believe I'm the only one here with actual proof of the statements I have made.

Once again, I did not start this BS.

.....but yeah I will let it be known that money = mods and mods = faster car......
followed up with
could my car beat a new mustang? Yes?

How much more do they cost?

Money isnt everything, its how you spend it that counts.
and then you jump in where I was refering to 209
I'd take a new GT over the Relic any day of the week though, regaurdless of the difference in speed. The new Mustang is such a nice car to drive. The manual tranny is actually very nice as well, which is odd for a Mustang.
and then I reply to you, and forgot it was 209 that said money wins :icon16:my bad!
And I would take a Lambo over a new gt :rolleyes: thats not the point bro.

You said money wins, thats not true at all. Infact spending lots of money onto a car can yield no gains if its not the right parts.
I said money wins??? Whaaaa?

I love it how words keep getting put in my mouth by like...everyone on this forum. Anyway...

Sure, spending money can yield no gains...if you buy exterior/interior parts. Or if you buy superturbonoserboosters off ebay.

But who said anything about buying the wrong parts in the first place? And who brought up price???
This thread was mad soley for one purpose and that's for Arcie to fling tampons at me.

I said about parts because 209 said
.....but yeah I will let it be known that money = mods and mods = faster car......
so yeah, go race him during the daylight and film it

:thumbsup:

followed up with

and then you jump in where I was refering to 209

and then I reply to you, and forgot it was 209 that said money wins :icon16:my bad!



I said about parts because 209 said

so yeah, go race him during the daylight and film it

:thumbsup:


TV, I think you are on a permanent high like you said. At first I thought you were kinda joking, but now I think you need some R&R, dude. ;)

Of course I'll race him again and of course it'll be recorded. But I can't guaranty it'll be during the daylight hours. Traffic sucks around here up untill 11:00 or so and we need a nice open stretch of road that's not too far out of the way. Also, I thought the video qaulity of the last one was actually very good as far as night shots are concerned. You could see his tail lights nicely. :lol:

so do you still think a evo-9 is even with a srt-4 from a roll??

And I would take a Lambo over a new gt :rolleyes: thats not the point bro.

You said money wins, thats not true at all. Infact spending lots of money onto a car can yield no gains if its not the right parts.

And I did not build the Z to be an every day car. Right now it is as I fix the brakes on my truck, no brakes is a bad thing :icon16:

of course Im talking about money put in to the right places....what did you think I was talking about......spending a grip load of money vac lines and oil filters......

i never said you were crying about it!!!

just havin a cool convo with you, i learned something from you and hopefully you from me.
i say the knowledgeable already know(so you know were i'm coming from)
and you say its not for the knowledgeable people lol. i understand for those who dont know its cool to speak on it in case they get the dumb idea that, hey a civic can beat a srt-4, just in case we have some ricers in here :cwm27:

I know......Im not saying you were...

alot of people buy performance parts that dont work by themselves

example. I raced a guy with a 73 'maro. 350, big ass cams, Holly 4bbl...but he had old plugs and bad wires...he was slow as shit. But he thought he should be the fastest. He had other stuff too, like drag slicks :rolleyes:

if he had ignition he would have been alot faster....

so do you still think a evo-9 is even with a srt-4 from a roll??


Nah, I'd bet the Evo would give it a nice, gradual pull. But I don't think it would be complete and utter destruction either.

[QUOTE=TerminalVelocity]alot of people buy performance parts that dont work by themselves

example. I raced a guy with a 73 'maro. 350, big ass cams... QUOTE]


Ahh, you see, there's his first problem. He's got that second cam getting in the way. He woulda been much faster had he opted for just one good one ;)

alot of people buy performance parts that dont work by themselves

example. I raced a guy with a 73 'maro. 350, big ass cams, Holly 4bbl...but he had old plugs and bad wires...he was slow as shit. But he thought he should be the fastest. He had other stuff too, like drag slicks :rolleyes:

if he had ignition he would have been alot faster....

I know what you are saying but do you get what Im saying...its obvious you just cant buy bigger injectors and a boost controller put them in and raise the boost and expect to run magic times...you have to tune..Im talking about who has the funds...

I know what you are saying but do you get what Im saying...its obvious you just cant buy bigger injectors and a boost controller put them in and raise the boost and expect to run magic times...you have to tune..Im talking about who has the funds...


I have no idea what either of you two are argueing back and forth about anymore. Can't we just stick to the origional idiocy of this thread as to keep it from becoming any more complicated??? :screwy:

NO! It must be more complicated! :icon16:

Naw, I see what you are saying. But even still, skill does enter into it too. A good driver will launch a high torque car better than an idiot with slicks, you know? Although a stock civic..nomater how good a driver will 99% chance never win against...lets say...a R34 GTR with a piss poor driver.

I would love to see a stock SRT4 not get smashed by a Evo 9. I think it would get smashed. Power and gearing are on its side, the SRT4 dosent have the better of anything to its side.

And I said daytime so we can clearly see how badly the smashing happens :p

NO! It must be more complicated! :icon16:

Naw, I see what you are saying. But even still, skill does enter into it too. A good driver will launch a high torque car better than an idiot with slicks, you know? Although a stock civic..nomater how good a driver will 99% chance never win against...lets say...a R34 GTR with a piss poor driver.

I would love to see a stock SRT4 not get smashed by a Evo 9. I think it would get smashed. Power and gearing are on its side, the SRT4 dosent have the better of anything to its side.

And I said daytime so we can clearly see how badly the smashing happens :p


Nahhh, night time shots are the best for viewing tail lights...:grinyes:


Actually I'd say the srt does have a couple things on it's side. Even though It is outmatched in power, it does have better gears for the highway and it's a noticable amount lighter than an Evo. Weight matters, even while rolling an extra 400+ pounds does not help.

It's still going to get pulled on, but I think it will be that nasty.


I need to find a stock IX that will run me on video...damn.

if you were going top speed the gears would help, but the shorter gearing will make him pull harder.

And for a stock 9...should be...that...hard? :dunno:

if you were going top speed the gears would help, but the shorter gearing will make him pull harder.

And for a stock 9...should be...that...hard? :dunno:


Lower gearing helps to a certain extent. If you are constantly having to shift then you are losing some time.

NO! It must be more complicated! :icon16:

Naw, I see what you are saying. But even still, skill does enter into it too. A good driver will launch a high torque car better than an idiot with slicks, you know? Although a stock civic..nomater how good a driver will 99% chance never win against...lets say...a R34 GTR with a piss poor driver.

I would love to see a stock SRT4 not get smashed by a Evo 9. I think it would get smashed. Power and gearing are on its side, the SRT4 dosent have the better of anything to its side.

And I said daytime so we can clearly see how badly the smashing happens :p

Im not saying all you need is money and no skill.....but for example.....you have a garage tuner like me with limited amount of money but driver skill and knowledge......but the guy next door also has the driver skills and knowledge plus he has something extra to help him out he has mommy and daddy funds....so one day we decide to run and he smokes me.....I lose plain and simple.....so he talks a little shit a goes on about how much faster his car is compared to mine and how I would never amount to his car....I dont think much and take my lost like a man.....but deep down inside its obvious the reason why he won......get what im saying now..

Lower gearing helps to a certain extent. If you are constantly having to shift then you are losing some time.

you may lose alittle time but you will gain ground for being in your power band in the next shift.....alitttle something I picked up from a s2000 vs srt debate.....:naughty:

i understand what you mean, but you still shouldnt worry about stuff like that.

its like loosing to a modded supra, he has more money than me, obviously, but i dont think of that, it just fuels me more for more mods

Im telling you guys I know all of this and it dosent bother me if I lose to a faster car nore should it......but the point here is not ignoring the reason but stating the obvious....and stating the obvious doesnt consist of complaining or throwing out bs excuses.....get what Im saying.....

I think I'm going to stab my eyes out tonight.

I think I'm going to stab my eyes out tonight.


It would be better for your health in the long run if you went ahead and did that right about now.

Im telling you guys I know all of this and it dosent bother me if I lose to a faster car nore should it......but the point here is not ignoring the reason but stating the obvious....and stating the obvious doesnt consist of complaining or throwing out bs excuses.....get what Im saying.....

I know what you're saying. But in such a situation it would still sound like you're whining.

you may lose alittle time but you will gain ground for being in your power band in the next shift.....alitttle something I picked up from a s2000 vs srt debate.....:naughty:


Having a motor with a good midrange powerband also helps out with this, which I'm sure an Evo has anyway. But they are geared for short sprints on dirt roads, not highway running.

soo what I got out of this long thread was the SRT4 guy bragged about how only in 3rd gear he could pull and the evo wasnt putting lengths on him during that time? So in 1 gear IF they were next to each other from a roll in 3rd a srt4 would pull.... till the evo shifted into 4th? True. But not gonna happen any other time. This is like me taking my evo to the 06 zo6 boreds and bragging about how I can launch on them.

soo what I got out of this long thread was the SRT4 guy bragged about how only in 3rd gear he could pull and the evo wasnt putting lengths on him during that time? So in 1 gear IF they were next to each other from a roll in 3rd a srt4 would pull.... till the evo shifted into 4th? True. But not gonna happen any other time. This is like me taking my evo to the 06 zo6 boreds and bragging about how I can launch on them.


No, you're completely off the entire subject.

this one is about done, redneck my man, lets close this baby?!

this one is about done, redneck my man, lets close this baby?!

I gave it life, I shall end it...

I gave it life, I shall end it...

That is the only reason I haven't closed it yet.

I'd take a new GT over the Relic any day of the week though, regaurdless of the difference in speed. The new Mustang is such a nice car to drive. The manual tranny is actually very nice as well, which is odd for a Mustang.

Why, so you can be like everyone else? I'd MUCH rather have the Relic it's a much cooler car IMO.

Also, on the subject of money and mods in street racing, I'll say it again: This is not bracket racing, this is street racing, run what you brung.

Finally, I'm glad this is over with...