Iam just wondering how many people here actually have made jobs of there art talent, Also if you don't mind saying what kind of job you have:)

Iam unempolyed and most of my drawings just stay in a pile, and gather dust.

Iam just wondering how many people here actually have made jobs of there art talent, Also if you don't mind saying what kind of job you have:)

Iam unempolyed and most of my drawings just stay in a pile, and gather dust.

I wish I could make a job out of it, as it would be my dream job. Anyone need a car concept artist?

Yeah, same as above. Try Ford. They need somebody after the 07 Navigator unveiling...

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/02/08/ford-unveils-2007-lincoln-navigator-and-navigator-l/

I will be honest w/ you (any reader).
For the majority if we did what we loved we would all be poor.

Bottom line and this is the honest truth. Most of us, the ppl currently drawing cars on this forum, will not be able to make a living doing art. Art just isn't valued as much in a capitalistic type economy (USA, Canada, Europe). With that said you need to find out what you can do--and half way enjoy--that society values ($), and go and study that and do it.

I don't do art for money. I do art for a hobby. A hobby is something you do that doesn't make you money or very much money. If you think about it a hobby is something you actually loose resources on. I would rather make money. So I do (and am capable of) Information Technology. IT is valued by the world economy so I spend most of my time learning and studying that, not drawing cars.

Think about it. Just about every adult did art as a child, and many ppl who drew cars and such as a child don't anymore. Why is that?

With that said keep it in perspective.

Remember economics is king of all

Just so you know: Anything related to medical, IT, Teaching, and some others are the fields that are growing. Hopefully you can find something you like in those and go do it.

Start reading, stop goofing off so much, and get educated (not directed at you).

You think ppl in India, China, and etc are goofing off like American kids, nope they are hungry and they are coming to America for jobs. They study, study, study, study. If I am a business owner I want the smartest ppl. I don't want ppl that are good at drawing cars, playing GT3 and video games, hanging out malls, knowing all the latest trends in music and movies.

That is reality; you either deal with it or starve and work for those who are educated. The world is a world economy; you will compete with those all over the world.

Well, enough of that. :)

a.

Yeah, I pretty much do art as a hobby. I'm a mechanical engineering major, so I won't have trouble finding a good paying job.

I know I am talking too much but hey I have a passion about this topic.

Here are some helpful links about careers

http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeek...default_CarRes


This was pretty cool too from MSN
http://msn.careerbuilder.com/custom/...home1&GT1=7770

I have a career test link (free), personality test.
I will have to get it when I get home.

Oh yah, about education
When I talk about education I don't just mean 4 year college degree.
There are plenty of 2-year degrees for specialists. Plus the beauty of freedom, one can get education from books, magazines, and successful people and go and start our own thing w/o formal education.
We always need education.
We need to always be feeding our brains with valuable knowledge.

I also think that drawing cars can not keep you staying alive. I'm sure there are a few people on the world who do can, but they are not only talented in drawing they also have luck and the needed connections.

Beeing a designer of cars is something else. This is not only drawing cars, it's the science of making something that a group of people like and or need, want etc.
That is a science on it's own. I'm planning to study that, but I know it's hard. It's not only that you need a passion for cars and beeing able to visualize your ideas, it's also doing research about peer groups, their lifestyle, what they can pay for your product and so on. IT's some kind of marketing, just like making somebody buying your teethbrush and not Dr. Best's or whatever.

I currently use drawing cars to improve my skills on designing them, to find out how a design works, and to improve my skills on visualizing them.

I wish you the very best to find a job soon!

I sell my drawings during the summer at shows, draw cars for people. I mostly do it just for fun tho, as I only make about $5,000 the whole summer

You think ppl in India, China, and etc are goofing off like American kids, nope they are hungry and they are coming to America for jobs. They study, study, study, study. If I am a business owner I want the smartest ppl. I don't want ppl that are good at drawing cars, playing GT3 and video games, hanging out malls, knowing all the latest trends in music and movies.

That is reality; you either deal with it or starve and work for those who are educated. The world is a world economy; you will compete with those all over the world.

Well, enough of that.

While your point is very true, too many people have this view; "this is the world, live with it".
We can't just leave it and not change how things work. Thats why i dropped school, Iam not smart at all, well that is what people consider smart is, adding numbers and writing essays(that means this computers smarter than me:banghead:), My teachers always said we know the system here is awful but that life... That's life!! why can't we change it!

being starving in the middle of a africa, i'd probably be alot happier.

While your point is very true, too many people have this view; "this is the world, live with it".
We can't just leave it and not change how things work. Thats why i dropped school, Iam not smart at all, well that is what people consider smart is, adding numbers and writing essays(that means this computers smarter than me:banghead:), My teachers always said we know the system here is awful but that life... That's life!! why can't we change it!

being starving in the middle of a africa, i'd probably be alot happier.

Freedom77 is it that you are not smart or that you don't like the things school asks of you?

We have to choose our battles, things we wont to change in this world. Sometimes you have to realize you can't change them but to change your situation, leave sort to speak. Remember you will always find exceptions to anything. Desire to learn the background of any information you are given. For instance. Some dude wrote a book on how to save 3k-8k per year by shopping and bargaining w/ sellers. That is cool and all, but the background is the dude lived in NY and the dude bought lots of things. If I had to spend 100K to save 8K what good is that. Why don't I just keep my 100K? Lets see 100K > 8K. :)
Don't know why I said that example...hee hee. Also you hear about ppl who will shop around all day for a deal. They might save 10$ on a sweater or something. But what happened, you spent an entire day to save 10$, you spent your time, and gas. You could have done something else with your time. So did you really save 10$?

My point is this there is a huge fallacy in economics that also applies to choices and decisions we make. The fallacy is this:

To make decisions w/o consideration (short and long term) of their results or ramifications. More often than not the fallacy is committed in the lack of long term consideration

IC your point. I failed to address emotions and happiness. I am not some logical machine. I do things out of desire that don't make logical sense either other than just to fulfill some passion. Sure, like one of the links I posted above, some of the richest ppl dropped out of school like Bill Gates (college).

You still need education from somewhere and like Knight said we need opportunity too. I think happiness is more about attitude. Don't get me wrong. I have sad days too and wish to change my situation. But I also take responsibility for my situation and go and do something about it.

One thing is for sure having money doesn't mean you will have happiness.

I still need to post that link for personality (sp) test. Besides knowing about our environment we need to know ourselves.

I want ppl to be happy. But I also want to ask ppl who are not happy what are you doing about it. Are you feeding your mind, wasting your time on things that wont change your situation or are you making choices that will.

I just read all your posts azaens, and I have to say I don't agree. As far as I'm concerned, well, I will never do the 9-5 thing, and I have never gone to colledge. But, I beleive I will do just fine. You just have to find something that will apeal to people in your area. I mean, All I did was that half of a harley I posted the other day, and I already got a deal with a place that does cutom bikes to do 8 of their bikes. That's $550 for only 32 hours work, or $17 an hour. Any place I could get a job at would only pay me $11 or $12/hr tops. Also, I have no trouble getting orders for my drawings.

lol, forgot to add, I am very happy with life.

I agree, there's plenty of work out there if you're really serious about it. I don't get to draw cars (well sometimes) at work but my drawings are what opened the door to Graphic Design for me. The automotive company I work for liked my drawings and told me to take some classes in design and they would get me in the graphics dept (i wanted in bad!). So I enrolled in the classes and then my lucky day came... one of the guys was quiting to work out of his home for some company. So they needed someone to do instructions and remembered that I wanted in, since i knew the product very well was a bonus. 5 years later I do most of the ads, some catalogs, brochures... even some T-shirt designs. It's an awesome job. It's not drawing cars all day but it's an awesome job.

I do admit I was extremely lucky tho. I was at the right place at the right time.

I just read all your posts azaens, and I have to say I don't agree. As far as I'm concerned, well, I will never do the 9-5 thing, and I have never gone to colledge. But, I beleive I will do just fine. You just have to find something that will apeal to people in your area. I mean, All I did was that half of a harley I posted the other day, and I already got a deal with a place that does cutom bikes to do 8 of their bikes. That's $550 for only 32 hours work, or $17 an hour. Any place I could get a job at would only pay me $11 or $12/hr tops. Also, I have no trouble getting orders for my drawings.

lol, forgot to add, I am very happy with life.


And here we go another common fallacy (not directed at you).

If you re-read my posts you will notice the words most and majority. You are an exception. That is a common mistake, one person comming out and talking about how, "I made it...yadda yadda yadda." Sure someone always makes it at whatever the topic is. But what I said stands for the majority of ppl.

I am glad you are happy you made it, most will not. I was watching George Cloney (whatever his name is) talk about how he made it and yadda yadda, stuck w/ his dream and all that stuff. Well gee I wonder how many ppl have the same dream and don't make it, 100s 1000s?

I didn't say you had to go to college. You have to have education. Hope you are reading up on art and business.
Be smart my friend, also hook up w/ an artist who has been around and learn from them, join a visual arts club in your town, don't think you know it all, learn from others and their mistakes.

Zwaag, I am not knocking you. That is fantastic what you are doing.
I wish I had your passion, but don't neglect information and education.

I supose now that you have gone pro you will leave this place too.
Every wonder why no professionals hang out in our art forum, well we might have one or two?
But I think you get my point. Why don't pro artist hangout here?

Besides what part don't you agree w/ me on. I said a lot of stuff.....hee hee :)
Notice some of other ppls posts, they say things about being lucky, right place at the right time.
Right place and lucky don't happen for the majority.

well, in my case Asaenz, I will keep coming here no matter how big I get. THis is a good community, altho, I liked it better in the past. ANyhoo, I wont be here for a while tho as I am going off to boot camp in little over a month

We will miss you, Zwaggy

Freedom77 is it that you are not smart or that you don't like the things school asks of you?

both, I guess, I tried though, i geuss it just seemed both pointless and uninteresting, But i still really tried.. and didn't get anywhere.

one example was i remeber i would do a maths exam, i always did pretty poor even though i was in the lower set, i would get scores of 50% or so. One term i really worked hard to see how well i could do, i did the exam, answered every question, felt like i got them all right. I only got 60%.. 10% from not trying at all to trying my hardest?? to me that wasn't worth it.

Everything i did just didn't work, I really struggle to find somthing i actually succeeded at. so i did everything everyone said i should never do.. I gave up.

so now i have no motivation to do anything, even though everyone keeps telling me to get a job, if iam going to do something i'll have to really want to do it, becuase other wise iam just not going to do it.


man i have issues!!:banghead:

Before all, hello to everyone here. I'm a AF modelling forum member but sometime I've a look on here, cool place.

Well, we have a byword in Italy, sound like "Who pleases itself enjoys" I don't feel if that say something to you, I don't beleive it and dont follow it in my life, BUT is what happened to me and to my professional hystory.

From child my first desire was to design car bodies. Well I have a pile of great design in my home's basement which I done from 14 years to the end of university. I haven't a design school's training, for some reasons I done architecture. I try to make the architect for 5 years but I found out that's more a paper/filling that a design profession.

So I done a creazy stuff ad I start my design profession, well I don't design car but I love very much the expression possibilities who my job give me.

What I would like to say is that: from thousands of great designers only a dozen, probably, could realize theyr dream concerning car design, and probably one only could arrive at a "Bagle" or "Siza" ecc. status, as a star
, but every thousands could express theyr quality on other more accessible area, like product design or graphics.

However I hope you'll fulfil your design dreams.

Ciao!
giovanni