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85 4Runner


bigpest88
12-16-2005, 09:23 PM
Im planing on buying a 85 4Runner. its a stock 4X4 with a 4 cylinder and it has a automatic trany. Really dont know much about these motors cuz i have a 95 4Runner with a stock v6. so any info on the 4 cylinder would help. for example hp, torque, gas mileage, dependency and ect. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks

Willybeamish
12-16-2005, 10:35 PM
It depends on the motor
HP Torque
22R 96@4800 129@2800
22RE 116@4800 140@2800

These are specs. from a 89 motor but I think 85 was the last year of the solid axle and one of the first years of fuel injection on the toy trucks. I've never heard anything really bad aboot them. If its a solid axle and it's not to pricy it's a good deal in my opinion.

bigpest88
12-16-2005, 11:47 PM
Is there anything you can do to get more power out of it at a reasonable price???

SidneyCanada
12-17-2005, 06:14 AM
These sites explain the hp,torque & more:

22R Series tech data:

http://www.babcox.com/editorial/ar/ar119838.htm
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/ar/ar400108.htm
http://www.toyotaperformance.com/4_cyl_tech.htm
http://www.lcengineering.com/TechNotes/TechNote48.htm
http://www.off-road.com/toyota/tech/other/toy_motor.html
http://www.off-road.com/toyota/tech/other/4_dts.html
http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/faq/parts/
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/9975/dataBySubject/Engine.html
http://www.toyota-mods.org/engines.txt
http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/engines2.html
http://www.engnbldr.com/ToyotaHotlicks.htm
http://www.bitwalla.com/cruisers/info/engines.html
http://www.off-road.com/tlc/faq/engine.html
http://www.jnc.farpost.com/toytech.html
http://lcengineering.com/TechNotes.htm
http://www.buschtaxi.net/de/01info/motoren.html
http://www.landcruiser.hu/motorok.html

These sites explain history of the 4-Runner & pickup showing the slight differences:

http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/faq
http://www.brian894x4.com/Toyotapickup4Runnermodels.html
http://www.off-road.com/toyota/4runner/history.html
http://www.toyotaoffroad.com/Articles/History/History_4Runner.htm
http://www.top4runners.com/ja/runhist1.html

Check the back fenders and frame for deep rust by taking a hammer and tapping the back frame,also do a fluid analysis on the engine oil by buying a fluid/oil analysis kit from any Caterpillar dealer's parts dept or some heavy duty shops which would tell you how healthy the engine is if the engine oil and radiator coolant was changed regularly on those engines you can get at least 300 000 miles.

Remove the spark plugs and look at them as a picture means a thousand words if it has a manual tranny park the vehicle on a hill facing downwards then put the tranny in first gear and shut it off,don't use the parking brake or foot break if the vehicle holds itself well in first then your engines piston rings are great then you have high compression (no leakage past the rings),also when the engine is running remove the oil filler cap and see if you have b l o w by,a healthy engine should have a vaccum effect if you put your palm on the oil filler cap.

Finally if you have a portable air compressor perform a leak down test on the engine,for more info on a leak down test do a search on Google.
By the way find out where the guy works which would tell you if it has highway miles or city miles.

About half of the ECU codes stored on the first & second generation EFI Toyotas don't show a constant blinking check engine light therefore you must pull the ECU codes to see if a fault is registered.

To pull the ECU codes:

All 1980-1995 and including 1995 EFI equipped vehicle allow you to find engine and related faults by pulling the ECU (computer) codes without the need for a handheld OBDII diagnosis scanner,the sites listed below have the fault codes needed to pull the codes and the instructions on how to do it:

http://autorepair.about.com/library/ts/obd-i/bl-dtcs-36.htm
http://autorepair.about.com/library/ts/obd-i/bl-dtcs-53.htm
http://autorepair.about.com/library/ts/obd-i/bl-dtcs-71.htm
http://autorepair.about.com/library/ts/obd-i/bl-dtcs-90.htm
http://www.off-road.com/toyota/tech/codes/index.html
http://lcengineering.com/TechNotes/TechNote12.htm
http://lcengineering.com/TechNotes/TechNote13.htm
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/9975/dataBySubject/Engine.html
http://www.mad-mechanic.com/toyota/toyotaobd.shtml#obtaincode
http://www.freewebs.com/th3duke/22RE-ECU.mht
http://www.troublecodes.net/Toyota/
http://members.igateway.net/~pscott/enginecodes.html
http://www.autobook.co.kr/data_links/toyota_trouble_codes.htm
http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h27.pdf
http://www.showmesome.info/hilux/info/manuals/1KZ-TE/Page0096.htm
http://www.efisakh.narod.ru/at_toyota.htm
http://www.usatransdoctor.com/foreigntoyota.htm

Pulling the ECU codes is the first thing I do to diagnosis a problem thereafter I reset the ECU to see if the same problems show up and if so I then take voltage measurements both with the engine running and not and compare with the factory service manual,I also close the ignition switch after a cold engine and also after a warm engine and compare them with the factory service manual.This technique will completely isolate your problem without having to do trial and error and it is the technique I use when repairing tv's,vcr's,home/car audio.

Any Public Library in your area would have the Factory service manual,Haynes,Chiltons,Mitchells,Clymers,Bentley and Toyota repair books.

There is also free AutoZone service manuals at:

http://www1.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?ForwardPage=/az/repair_info/repair_guide/repair_guide.jsp

For scanned pages of factory service manuals for other engines:

http://www.brian894x4.com/Scannedmanual.html
http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~scorp/surf/1KZ-TE.pdf
http://www.showmesome.info/hilux/info/manuals/1KZ-TE
http://surf.mactherapy.com/1KZ-TE.pdf
http://surf.mactherapy.com/parts/
http://www.spyderchat.com/1zzfe.pdf
http://files.matrixvibe.net/docs/1zzfe.pdf
http://landcruiser.free.fr/mans/
http://surf.mactherapy.com
http://www.turbosupras.com/pages/technical/tsrm.htm
http://www.lieblweb.com/tacoma/Mechanical/96TacomaDiagrams/index.htm
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/adherence.4x4/liens_techniques.htm
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/adherence.4x4/index.htm
http://www.asatraction4x4.cl/html/
http://www.toyotasurf.asn.au/techsite/downloads.htm
http://www.grubinski.com/grubinski/automotive/toyota.manuals/
http://www.carsoft.ru/files/4runner95di.exe
http://www.hotrodder.com/kwkride/tech.html
http://aarc.epnet.com/application/8578/8578.htm
http://www.autoshop101.com/autoshop15.html
http://www.mtv411.com/sitemap.htm

1985 Toyota 4-Runner/pickup Factory Service manual:

http://www.jasuza.com/1985toyotatruckfsm.pdf

1993 Toyota Pickup Service Manual:

http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-buchanan/93fsm/

2003 (2001-2004) Toyota Tacoma Factory Service Manual:

http://fsm.afraid.org/
http://www.junglecode.com/toyota/tacoma/2003_fsm/
http://65.200.1.6/FSM/

FSM (factory service manual)can be acquired in several ways:

Toyota Material Distribution Center
750 West Victoria St
Rancho Dominguez/Compton,CA 90220-5538
USA
Ph:1-800-622-2033 (outside CA)(M-F: 7-5 PST)
Ph:1-800-443-7656 (inside CA)
Ph:1-310-818-4630 (in or outside CA)
Speak to Beverly or Deloris
http://techinfo.toyota.com/public/main/mdc.html
http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/FSM.shtml

1)buy a used one off e-bay
2)some Toyota dealerships may give you one or sell it for $10-20 (used) as most Toyota dealerships don't repair many old Toyotas and no longer need the service manual
3)some public libraries sell their old books as they are not in demand any longer
4)some free buy & sell classified papers,websites and bulletin boards may have some used ones for sale
5)some junk yards may have one laying around
6)some Toyota specialty garages may have one laying around and no longer use it as the vehicle may be too old and those mechanics probably have so much experience that they could publish their own factory service manual with corrections and "real world repair tips"
7)if someone has the FSM maybe they could scan all of the pages and post it on a site for all of us to download or view.

Sidney® ™
Repairs tv's,vcr's,home/car audio out of my home
E-mail:sidneybek@yahoo.com
Dartmouth,Nova Scotia
Canada
1985 Toyota 4-Runner,solid front straight axle,factory cruise control,sunroof,22R-E,W56,RN60LV-MSEK,rusted rear step/towing chrome bumper with 246 000 KM

bigpest88
12-17-2005, 10:27 PM
thanks.well the guy who wants to sell me the 4Runner said he blew the camshaft and two pistons,and the motor is already disassembled and cleaned and ready. do you all think i should put it back together and fix it, or drop in a bigger motor. I want to keep the automatic tranny and do minimal modifications to the drivetriain. I plan to use this truck for everyday driving,and OCCASIONAL fun. The biggest tire size i want would be 35s and thats pushing it. Basicaly it is more for looks, but i want the power & 4X4 reliability when i need it.

Willybeamish
12-18-2005, 04:07 PM
If your gonna go with 35" tires your gonna have to do some modification to the drivetrain regardless, like gears. If you gear it you can still keep the 4clynder in it and with the right gears it'll still have power. But with 35s you might have to put at least a 4" lift kit on it and maybe even a body lift. Take a look at www.ttora.com it's the National Toyota Territory Offroad Association. Good bunch of people with alot of info on 4wheelin a toy and mods for one. There may even be a TTORA group in your state.

bigpest88
12-18-2005, 04:44 PM
35s are a big maybe, but more than likely im will put some 33s.

Willybeamish
12-18-2005, 05:16 PM
With 33s you don't really need to change gears but you gas milage will not be very good. And with most toys you can slip a 33 on them with minor adjustments like a 2" body lift and maybe a set of shackles in the rear. Most likely you can fit a 32x10.5/R15 tire in w/out any mods. There may be alittle rubbing but that depends on the tire, mud terrain or all terrain. Mudders tend to rub alittle and personally I've got BFGoodrich AllTerrains and they kick some serious ass. Great for snow, ice, sand, mud and just about anything.

bigpest88
12-18-2005, 05:24 PM
will the stock 4 cylinder be able to handle the 33s??? and what can i do to help give it more power?

Willybeamish
12-18-2005, 06:29 PM
The stock 4cylinder can handle the 33's for more power it depends on the motor22R or 22RE they both have decent power

fourwd1
12-19-2005, 07:08 AM
thanks.well the guy who wants to sell me the 4Runner said he blew the camshaft and two pistons

How did he do that ??


,and the motor is already disassembled and cleaned and ready. do you all think i should put it back together and fix it, or drop in a bigger motor. I want to keep the automatic tranny and do minimal modifications to the drivetriain.

Do you know how to assemble a motor ?
The auto tranny won't hold up behind a bigger engine, you'd have to swap it too.


I plan to use this truck for everyday driving,and OCCASIONAL fun. The biggest tire size i want would be 35s and thats pushing it. Basicaly it is more for looks, but i want the power & 4X4 reliability when i need it.

You'd probably be better off with 33's and regear the diffs to regain the lost power.

fourwd1
12-19-2005, 07:15 AM
thanks.well the guy who wants to sell me the 4Runner said he blew the camshaft and two pistons

How did he do that ??


,and the motor is already disassembled and cleaned and ready. do you all think i should put it back together and fix it, or drop in a bigger motor. I want to keep the automatic tranny and do minimal modifications to the drivetriain.

Do you know how to assemble a motor ?
The auto tranny won't hold up behind a bigger engine, you'd have to swap it too.


I plan to use this truck for everyday driving,and OCCASIONAL fun. The biggest tire size i want would be 35s and thats pushing it. Basicaly it is more for looks, but i want the power & 4X4 reliability when i need it.

You'd probably be better off with 33's and regear the diffs to regain the lost power.

bigpest88
12-19-2005, 07:06 PM
He blew the motor at a local mud pit. He would go and "Play" at least twice a week in the pit. I have a good mechanic that dose overhauls and stuff like that all the time, so it wouldnt be a problem for him. I wouldnt mind changing the tranny and engine, i just want to keep it automatic. More than likely i would put 33s.

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