Re: Victory Motorcars: Warning! (433 views)*Message: I didn't have it inspected first b/c I figured that Victory would probably collaborate the results with the inspector.

Anyhow, 3 grand later, my car is finally in top form inside and out. Yes ... 3 grand later.

Something needs to be done about those clowns at Victory. Any ideas? I don't want anyone else to go through the same thing.

I dealt with Robert Neal and have spent over ten thousand on ac and brake repairs for a 1995 that he billed as near perfect. I also suspect that the inspection service I used which is located close to his dealership is either inept or in collusion with him. I strongly discourage anyone from purchasing from this dealer - I say dealer because I suspect the dealership will change names in the near future because the word is getting out about his. The only thing we can do is to get the word out that all is not what is appears or is represented to be with Robert Neal.

I wanted to write that I've heard of people having problems with him. But it seems hard to find Porsches from anyone else but him, so it's tough... Any other suggestions?

As for the place down the street, you have to be more specific because there are lots of places around that area. I have a friend who swears by Eurocarwerk and their honesty, which is close by to R. Neal, and I hope I can trust him as I'm probably buying a Porsche soon...

Please post if you have connections that you trust more.
Jason

this may be too late, but any interested, there is a reliable Porsche broker up in the Conroe area:
Winter Productions / or C2 / C-squared, I do not have the info on me; at home now, not in the shop, but Clint is VERY knowledgeable in the 911s, and usually has some on hand and/or can find you the one your interested in...
I have his number if any are interested... usually his are WELL maintained; with complete histories and documents, most are from arid states: NO RUST, and usually have exceptional bodies (no damage/wrecks); and usually are already to race (rollbars, mild-2-wild add-ons in the engine, etc.) or hit the streets, with higher end, custom built stereos/MP3/iPod a BIG speakers (Kenwood, Polk, Fujitsu, Focus, etc.)
I agree with the Vic post though; very bad repore from my run-ins...
ctesla
NRT racing

Victorymotorcars - We know that a car purchase is a big deal to most people. You don't want to feel rushed or pressured into a decision. That's why we take the hassles and stress out of the process. When you enter a Prime dealership - Victory Motor Cars, you will feel comfortable and welcome; from the first time you step on the lot or call us on the phone.

No secret VMC/Robert Neal, Jr. has is "attorney" issue cease and desist letters in an attempt to intimiate and/or silence unflattering posts. Here's a reply to one such attempt:

RE: Victory Motor Cars, Inc., Robert Lee Neal, Jr.

Dear Attorney Rosenberg:
CEASE AND DESIST

This office represents Mr. S regarding your ridiculous "Cease and Desist" letter of October 13, 2008, to which I respond to as follows:

First and foremost, your client’s business reputation lacks integrity as evidenced by his and/or his representative’s apparent forgery of a state of Texas Certificate of Title for a Motor Vehicle, namely a 1997 Porsche sold by Mr. Neal, to Mr. S, as confirmed by the previous owner.

Second, a first year law student knows the elements of defamation. Since you apparently were asleep that day, I suggest you do some research before raising such issues.

Third, unless you have a propensity to leap to erroneous conclusions, your client seems to be misinforming you of the facts. Mr. S attempted to reach an agreeable resolution regarding Mr. Neal’s blatant misrepresentations and unethical and/or illegal business practices. During that attempt, Mr. S was kind enough to advise your client of his findings with regard to the forged and/or misrepresented signature on the Texas title.

Additionally, any first year law student knows Mr. S has no power to institute a criminal prosecution. He does however, have every legal right to report a crime by your client and/or his representatives, and he will.

Fourth, I am unable to confirm you are properly licensed to practice law in either Mr. S’s state of California, or Mr. Neal’s state of business incorporation, in Texas.

In regards to practicing law without a license, Section 81.101 of the Texas Government Code states: (a) In this chapter the "practice of law" means the preparation of a pleading or other document incident to an action or special proceeding or the management of the action or proceeding on behalf of a client before a judge in court as well as a service rendered out of court, including the giving of advice or the rendering of any service requiring the use of legal skill or knowledge, such as preparing a will, contract, or other instrument, the legal effect of which under the facts and conclusions involved must be carefully determined. (emphasis added).

Out-of-state lawyers without California licenses are engaging in the unauthorized practice of law if they participate in "sufficient activities in the state". Lawyers need not even be physically present in California to violate unauthorized-practice-of-law restrictions. Birbrower, Montalbano, Condon & Frank, P.C., et al. v. The Superior Court of Santa Clara County (17 Cal.4th 119, 70 Cal.Rptr.2d 304, 949 P.2d 1 (Feb. 25, 1998)).

Last but not least, regarding your diatribe regarding the internet and "unflattering and injurious remarks" which would adversely affect your client in the course of their business, I suggest but for your client’s unflattering and injurious activities, there would have been no damages to my client, and no need to read your drivel.

Noting your lack of legal knowledge and/or sophistication, regarding the internet’s First Amendment’s right to free speech, the courts have repeatedly held that speech which is merely a statement of defendant's personal opinion about the quality of services provided by a plaintiff company, is PROTECTED.

If you were familiar with your own state’s ruling you would know the words of Justice Gische, who wrote in Penn Warranty Corp. v. DiGiovanni, No. 600659/04 (N.Y. Sup. Ct., New York County Oct. 28, 2005):

"Perhaps most compelling is the fact that the web site, when viewed in its full context, reveals that defendant is a disgruntled consumer and that his statements reflect his personal opinion based upon his personal dealings with plaintiff. They are subjective expressions of consumer dissatisfaction [and] are not actionable because they are defendant's personal opinion."

AS SUCH, your Cease and Desist letter is meritless and will be ignored. Should you contact either Mr.S, or this office again, regarding this matter, I will take all legal steps available to me. No further notice will be given to you, Mr. Neal, or Victory Motor Cars, Inc. You are hereby advised to CEASE AND DESIST.

Your prompt and personal attention to this matter will be anticipated. I trust that there will be no further need for this office to contact you again.

Sincerely,DLD, Esq.
Admitted to practice before the:
Supreme Court of the State of California
United States District Court, Central District of California
United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit
Supreme Court of the United States of America

[names are edited due to spammers]

I suppose this response has been long over due, but I feel the need to address all the negative comments that have been posted on certain online forums. I seem to get the idea that I’m reading the same stories, posted by the same guys under several different aliases; otherwise, they’re just outsiders making some pretty amateur assumptions.

I would first like to begin by letting the world know Victorymotorcars lives in a glass house. Our doors are open and you are welcome to come see the Porsches for yourself. In fact, I encourage you to see our state-of-the-art facility! EVERY single purchaser has the opportunity to view their car before purchase, drive their car before purchase and have a professional look at their car before purchase. All of my inventory is sold as/is because they are not under factory warranty. These models were produced anywhere from 11 to 48 years ago. I must reiterate that the vehicles for sale are NOT new. It has been my business model to obtain the best examples possible for my clients. I have been in this line of work for the past 35 years, doing the same thing, operating in the same city! Victorymotorcars Service is doing a wonderful job servicing all models. We use a Porsche factory checklist to ensure all functions work properly and conditional wear is at or above minimal guidelines. We also encourage you to speak with a seasoned professional technician at our facility if your have any questions or concerns. I insist on keeping the lines of communication open with our customers. Our standard contact information is displayed to easily reach us 24/7.

I’ve read all the malicious words, and I honestly find it very hard to believe what’s being said. Basic logic should give way to the numbers. Of all these postings I have counted 10 actual customers, of which 4 are unhappy. Further examination shows less than 1% of forum bloggers have truly even purchased from Victorymotorcars. In all my years I have acquired over 10,000 clients and possibly a handful have proven to be dissatisfied. I’ve recently asked my clients to submit their letters of real time experience online, yet some of you still continue to speak hearsay amongst yourselves. I can only hope to end the reverberation of those same dated stories. It’s never been necessary to point fingers. You have resources and opportunities before purchase to figure out what you’re getting into. It’s elementary procedure to do your homework. What you purchase is your discretion. I can give you my fair opinion, but it truly comes down to “the eye of the beholder”. No one is trying to cheat any one—just a fair product at a fair price. Do the math, then do your homework.



Kind Regards,
Robert Neal
President, Victorymotorcars

VMC Mr. Robert Neal Jr. has offered to offset the costs to repair my 1997 Porsche 993.With this offset the value of my awesome Porsche should fall inline with todays values. I apprecaite Mr. Neals willingness to assist me.

S. Satuloff