Check out the vid: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=105876

And I've been lurking around the C6 Z06 forum of Z06Vette.com and, man, I am loving these things.

Check the dyno: http://www.antivenomonline.com/dyno.mpg

Apparently, the car has been baselined between 440WHP to 453WHP to the wheels, and 400WTQ to 424WTQ. The higher dyno was done with a car with about 200+ miles on it, and the lower figures came from a car with 60 miles on the odo. All this in a car that weighs-in at 3150 lbs. Also, simply removing the air-filter, which is ungodly restrictive, adds 20+ WHP!

Here's a pic of the filter, which may be the way it is to quiet the motor down:

http://www.z06vette.com/gallery/data/500/45111c-med.jpg


Well, looks like another car I can dream about, and not get...oh well. :banghead:

Oh, and check out this article: http://www.mph-online.com/web/news/00121

THose have a 6.0L V8 right?

Gotta love a pushrod 427 ci V8 revving to 7k rpms...technology rocks! I'm an import dude through and through, but god damn...the sound of that LS7 gave me wood...gimmie!

THose have a 6.0L V8 right?
7 liter LS7 actually...the regular C6 vettes have the LS2, which is in fact 6 liters IIRC.

Oh, forgot to add, here's what headers, and hi-flow cats did:
http://lgmotorsports.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/487rwhp%20C6%20%20Z06.JPG

This is from a car that baselined on the same dyno at 441WHP. Also, with the mods, removal of the air-filter netted 492WHP!

BTW, all of the above is with NO tune, as the LS7 edit software is yet to come out.

EDIT: How can I miss posting this awesome thread (http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88502).

I'll finisih this post when i'm done masturbating to this

might be a few days dont wait up.

fucking awesome stuff thanks for the links!

This is one of the few domestics that I wouldn't mind owning.

7 liters? That cant be right.

Oh it's right. Its a fucking sweet car

Jesus christ that air filter is enourmous.

Oh it's right. Its a fucking sweet car

7.0L, 400 hp? Weak Sauce.

no no no no....the 6 liter regular vette puts out 400 hp...the 7 liter Z06 puts out 505.

Ok, 505hp, 7L motor. 71.42hp/L. Meh. Call me when they are making 100 per liter.

The heads look like in order to have them flowed....you would need a wind tunnel.

Couple mods....500 RWHP easy. Incredible cars.

Ok, 505hp, 7L motor. 71.42hp/L. Meh. Call me when they are making 100 per liter.
Trust me, it ain't that easy from an engineering perspective to get 100 hp/liter, especially a pushrod V8 without FI.

Trust me, it ain't that easy from an engineering perspective to get 100 hp/liter, especially a pushrod V8 without FI.
Honda is able to do it just fine.

Honda is able to do it just fine.
and it matters nothing when your motor is half a fucking liter.

mine makes appox 110- 120 per liter and that "sloppy made" pushrod would rape me with franks red hot in the ass.

c6 z06 > your life

100 per liter is nearing. They have a fairly mild cam in that motor (at least for a 427), restrictive exhaust, etc....
700 crank power isn't too far away.

That dyno vid gave me goosebumps. But...it's not a bmw, so it's crap... :rolleyes:

comparing a honda engine to a 427 ci engine made from GM is pretty much impossible...honda gets their hp/liter using small displacement, high revs, and trick cams...you can't use a small displacement, high-revving cammed engine in a C6 Z06, it would hardly be a corvette then...I'm not saying it's impossible to get 100hp/liter out of a pushrod, big-cube V8, but it would be so costly, it's just not economical from a production car standpoint.
Clawhammer: Provide me an example of a Honda pushrod V-8 making 100 hp/liter, and I will run through the streets of ventura naked.

Honda V-8


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whats so funny how bad they spanked ass with the turbo v8s back in in F1 racing?

Honda has made v-8s just none on street cars.

Clawhammer: Provide me an example of a Honda pushrod V-8 making 100 hp/liter, and I will run through the streets of ventura naked.
Never said it was pushrod, but we all know about the S2000s DOHC 120 horse/liter engine.

Those of you who think that Honda engines suck, check this out:

http://mj23fe.com/Mark%20vs%20Tomi.mpg

This is a NATURALLY ASPIRATED 4 cyl Honda engine!!!

No doubt in my mind honda could make a sports car with a DOHC V8 that produced well over 100 hp/liter. Also no doubt in my mind that car would cost exactly $198 quadrillion dollars.
Proof: Acura(read: Honda)NSX.

Nice links, god that car is beautiful, can't wait to see one on the street. On a sidenote, I drove my first regular c6 yesterday at work...that in itself is quite nice. I was definantly contemplating stealing it during my lunchbreak and fleeing to canada.

427 cubes is an awful lot tho... but i wouldnt mind seeing big ass engines coming back.

No doubt in my mind honda could make a sports car with a DOHC V8 that produced well over 100 hp/liter. Also no doubt in my mind that car would cost exactly $198 quadrillion dollars.
Proof: Acura(read: Honda)NSX.
and doesn't it still get walked by *gasp* the ever evil DO MES TIK?
nsx is wak.

now to whos giving all motor hondas love: i'll drop my zipper too.

There is no form of debate the z06 is an amazing car that if you welded all of the motors honda makes together it would still lose.

btw because the older F20c was so weak sauce other then its rice boy OMG 10999909045904 hp per liter claim they dropped the hp per liter down so they could increase displacement.

whats so funny how bad they spanked ass with the turbo v8s back in in F1 racing?

Honda has made v-8s just none on street cars.

just jokes... settle. they make some good v8's in IRL also.

just jokes... settle. they make some good v8's in IRL also.
ah ok :smile: yea they do but those old turbos from f1 yum

I'm giving honda motors plenty of love...they make unbelievably powerful SMALL engines.
If they were to make a big-engined sports car with the same goodies and tricks they used in their small-engined sports cars, it would cost probably twice as much as a C6 Z06.
Lets go back to the NSX for argument's sake...at it's peak, it was a 3.2 liter VTEC V-6 that made 290 horsepower...not even 100 hp/liter, but still a good engineering achievement at the time.
The car cost $90 large...$15 large more than an almost twice as power Corvette Z06 does now, and this was circa 1998, so if it were still in production today, pretty sure asking price would hit 6 figures.
Now lets look at a fine Nissan product....2005 35th aniversary edition 350Z: 300 HP from 3.5 liter DOHC V6...similar stats to the NSX...cost? 1/3 that of an NSX.
I'll give honda this though: Even though the straightline performance between the two is a coinflip, the Z couldn't touch the NSX in the twisties...thank you mid-mounted engine.

I'm giving honda motors plenty of love...they make unbelievably powerful SMALL engines.
If they were to make a big-engined sports car with the same goodies and tricks they used in their small-engined sports cars, it would cost probably twice as much as a C6 Z06.
Lets go back to the NSX for argument's sake...at it's peak, it was a 3.2 liter VTEC V-6 that made 290 horsepower...not even 100 hp/liter, but still a good engineering achievement at the time.
The car cost $90 large...$15 large more than an almost twice as power Corvette Z06 does now, and this was circa 1998, so if it were still in production today, pretty sure asking price would hit 6 figures.
Now lets look at a fine Nissan product....2005 35th aniversary edition 350Z: 300 HP from 3.5 liter DOHC V6...similar stats to the NSX...cost? 1/3 that of an NSX.
I'll give honda this though: Even though the straightline performance between the two is a coinflip, the Z couldn't touch the NSX in the twisties...thank you mid-mounted engine.
Honda motors are good for 1 thing and its starts with E ends with conmy.

the nsx was a quick car but nothing too fast cheaper and faster the base vetter and the z06.

we'll see what honda puts out with the new NSX replacement but if anything like the other crap latly might as well give up.

The NSX was way overpirced as is fuck vtec and hand made this and that if its still getting walked by something that looks just as cool and was cheaper to own insure and buy.

with how much quicker the c6 is it wouldn't even matter IF the nsx could out handle it and last time i saw a c6 turn it sure stuck damn well might out handle the old nsx.

They just dont stack up there is no way shape or form they are comparable.

the z06 is a supercar look at its #s.

I'd roflkakke all over that z06 anyday. I'll take two plz.

You know why the NSX was so expensive? When it came out in 1989, it was the ONLY CAR IN PRODUCTION that used variable valve timing...honda was years ahead of the curve with that...and they rode it all the way to the bank until other manufacturers started making VVT cars for cheaper...then the NSX died.

You know why the NSX was so expensive? When it came out in 1989, it was the ONLY CAR IN PRODUCTION that used variable valve timing...honda was years ahead of the curve with that...and they rode it all the way to the bank until other manufacturers started making VVT cars for cheaper...then the NSX died.
yea they could have stuffed a v8 in for way cheaper and made a better car.

The NSX was hondas attempt to make a super car it bombed. If they nsx was for 60K maybe but why was it still 90k ish at time they cut it? hell even the cheapest of the cheap cars have some sort of VVT.

the b16 came out the year after in a car less then 20K US Honda tried to make a supercar they made an ok sports car.

I can't believe this argument.
Both have great cars, and both have made serious strides in the auto world.

Either way...most of us will never be able to catch an NSX or C6 Z06. Straight line or corners.

I can't believe this argument.
Both have great cars, and both have made serious strides in the auto world.

Either way...most of us will never be able to catch an NSX or C6 Z06. Straight line or corners.
The NSX did nothing of the sort other then being the first car with a VVT

how many members know of the Cord? *its lists of firsts are mind blowing esp considering its age*

NSX is just drooled over because its rare much like a 308 ferrari its out of date but still turns your head best way i can put it.

NSX you'd eat alive in a straight I can tell a few other members would too hell i'd hang with an older 3L one.

The new corvette z06 is no longer a sports car it is now a supercar unless the bar is now that much higher.

I can't believe this argument.
Both have great cars, and both have made serious strides in the auto world.

Either way...most of us will never be able to catch an NSX or C6 Z06. Straight line or corners.
...says he who would flat out OWN an NSX in a straight line :icon16:

Ok, 505hp, 7L motor. 71.42hp/L. Meh. Call me when they are making 100 per liter.

First off, judging by the 440 RWHP baseline, and assuming a 15% loss, that's actually about 520 crank HP, and up to 530+ crank, when the cars hit 200+ miles (453RWHP with this mileage).

Also, the engine is obviously bottlenecked by the exhaust and intake, as these two simple mods got almost 60WHP out of the car - and that was with high-flow cats, not removed, or gutted. All this without any sort of tune, or fuel-mapping. I guarantee people will be seing 500+ WHP with a full exhaust and a filter replacement, once the tuning sotware for the car gets done.

Lastly, I would like to see you name a car that even comes close to this car's overall handling, acceleration, top-end (198MPH), and gas-mileage, yes, gas-mileage, for this car's price (even with mark-ups).

Wow... I check this thread at work. A few posts of people loving the C6 Z06.

I come home, and it's 3 pages of Honda debate.

What the fuck mate? :lol:

Seriously... 505hp N/A in a car that'll get 18-19mpg City if you can keep your foot in control. Not to mention 26-30mpg on the highway, same story.

If you baby it, it could be decently economical...

That's not too bad. Of course... anybody who knows what the car is capable of will be getting 10-14mpg constantly. ;)

Ferrari/Lambo performance at a decent price. Can't really go wrong, even if you don't like Bowties... you can't deny this car it's performance.

Back on topic folks... please! :)

NSX is just drooled over because its rare much like a 308 ferrari its out of date but still turns your head best way i can put it.
Rare or not, I really don't care. Mostly because I personally think the NSX is ugly.
The handling is what makes that car.

Either way....Z06 > NSX anyday.

I won the lotto last night, I went to the Chevy dealer and ordered two Z06's. One yellow, one black. Yellow is staying stock, black is getting the mods.
Then I woke up. I hope I have this dream again....but with me actually owning one.
The Z06 doesn't have the supercar look, but performs like one. Perfect!!

you guys should give the Z06 more credit.

and its easier to make more power per liter when you have a small engine. but once they start getting bigger, its hard to make them more efficient.

example: even the Ferrari ENZO barely breaks the 100hp/liter. and look at how many years of racing experience they have with building V12s and from formula racing.

also hp/liter means shit in a race. a 300hp v8 with 60 hp per liter would own a 240hp car making 120hp per liter.

you guys should give the Z06 more credit.

and its easier to make more power per liter when you have a small engine. but once they start getting bigger, its hard to make them more efficient.

example: even the Ferrari ENZO barely breaks the 100hp/liter. and look at how many years of racing experience they have with building V12s and from formula racing.

also hp/liter means shit in a race. a 300hp v8 with 60 hp per liter would own a 240hp car making 120hp per liter.



Thank you Tat.

also hp/liter means shit in a race. a 300hp v8 with 60 hp per liter would own a 240hp car making 120hp per liter.

Don't forget weight :biggrin: That's actually a big advantage of Japanese cars, in almost every category, their cars are pretty much lighter.

Some comments on the NSX: just wait for the new one. V10 making 100hp/liter and under 3000 pounds. It will probably be comparable to the corvette in almost every category, except for price.

Going back to the corvette: it's a freaken beast. I really want one, and it would definetely be the car I'd buy for $75k.

Good to see that Chevy is doing something right. -

V10 making 100hp/liter


actually ford already has had one of these for a while, they've just had trouble finding the right car to put it in, im pretty sure its going to go in the new shelby gr-1. but thatll probably cost a lot more than a vette z06. its a 6.0l v10 making a lil more than 600 ponies.



Ferrari/Lambo performance at a decent price. Can't really go wrong, even if you don't like Bowties... you can't deny this car it's performance.


exactly the boat im in, not a big chevy fan... but i cant help but to respect the car and id absolutely love to have one.

Don't forget weight :biggrin: That's actually a big advantage of Japanese cars, in almost every category, their cars are pretty much lighter.


actually if you look at it, the japanese cars are starting to get heavier than they used to be.

heh i think its funny that the main honda basher in this thread is a honda owner - ace.

heh i think its funny that the main honda basher in this thread is a honda owner - ace.


I guess the Z06 will drive a man to do and say things he never thought he would. :evillol:

Now, time to start thinking of ways i can get one of these without paying....

These pictures excite me... (http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83080)

There are two of them at Midway where my car's motor was replaced. I was there again yesterday for an alignment and was bs'n with one of the sales guys about the Cobaltss on the show room floor. He pointed out the two beauties after a bit and I HAD to sit in one. Those seats are so damn coushy and the interior is just awesome. I don't know why people complain about the shifters in them either, they are smooth as silk. My Cobalt has a pretty smoot shift and it way more notchy than the C6 Z06.

Btw...the msrp on the sticker was around 65k...they were planning on selling them for 103k. :eek7:

They were showing the Z06 at a GM job fair here at my school. They didn't have the hood open unfortunately, but it did look very nice.

Btw...the msrp on the sticker was around 65k...they were planning on selling them for 103k. :eek7:


:wtf:

Same deal with the Ford GT when it first came out.
MSRP was like $145,000 or something....dealers were selling them for over $200K.

Even the base C6 is goin for a little under 70k where i live

Even the base C6 is goin for a little under 70k where i live


Where's that?

I don't see how they can justify cranking up the price on a $44,600 base car an extra $25,000.

Seriously, they should know they'd sell more if they priced it where it's supposed to be. Same with the Ford GT... why are sales people so stupid? Pricing themselves out of sales. :rolleyes:

When i went to the dealership in NC to see if the new Z06's had come out, like 2-3 weeks ago, i saw the bases for about mid upper 60's.

I was shocked too, but in that area, people buy all kinds of expensive stuff, so an extra 20 some thousand isnt gonna slow down the sales any. I see them driving around pretty frequently.

heh i think its funny that the main honda basher in this thread is a honda owner - ace.
I'm a realist.

All I've been saying is:

There is NO downside to this car its priced damn well it specs up with most supercars double or more its price. It'll last and be cheaper to own fix etc and for some its quite possible *myself included* we could even own on in a few years off lease while a slower 360 Modena will still be out of price range.

People have no real agrument expect the hodurr fanboiz *that make me ashamed of my own car* that it doesn't have a silly sales gimmick 100/hp a liter. If you want to talk about power per liter same specs as the viper about and viper is 1.3L bigger still!

This car is fucking amazing that is all. If I had the money i'd order one even with the fact the markup could buy me a nice used c5 :rofl:

7.0L, 400 hp? Weak Sauce.
;)

Ok, 505hp, 7L motor. 71.42hp/L. Meh. Call me when they are making 100 per liter.

How about 250/liter ... Hyde = 440 rwhp = 500 BHP from a 2.0 liter

Trust me, it ain't that easy from an engineering perspective to get 100 hp/liter, especially a pushrod V8 without FI.
Really? see above. :)

Provide me an example of a Honda pushrod V-8 making 100 hp/liter, and I will run through the streets of ventura naked.

GET NAKED AND START RUNNING!
http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/honda.jpg

Before I drop my drawers...is that an actual HONDA motor in there Hyde? Doubt it...that's what I meant anyway...honestly!

Mr. Luos, that article you posted ... the lateral G's in the chart do not match up to the lateral G's in the image?!

Weird.

Yeah, not sure what that is about.

I know when the ran those lap times...the track was fairly wet. Not sure if they tested different corners at different times. Who knows?

its not bad when its just a fraction of a second off the pace of the gt... and costs much less. but id still take the gt because it has the exotic car factor goin. but ill probably never have a chance of owning either car...

See, I am actually a little different.
I don't care for the look of the GT. Too flashy for me. God would I love to drive one though. Badass performance all around.
Out of those three cars, the Z06 fits my taste the best. I would rather have that package in a car that looked like a base C6 though.

Speaking of kool things... the Base C6 now has a 6 speed paddle shift option.

hot damn... that's badass.

Btw...the msrp on the sticker was around 65k...they were planning on selling them for 103k. :eek7:

IMHO, anyone who pays more than 55k for a 'Vette, regardless of what the hell it is, deserves to be shot...

IMHO, anyone who pays more than 55k for a 'Vette, regardless of what the hell it is, deserves to be shot...


Oh yeah, that's right I forgot... only cars worth a shit above 55K are German. :rolleyes:

IMHO, anyone who pays more than 55k for a 'Vette, regardless of what the hell it is, deserves to be shot...

IMHO, anyone who pays between 26 to 30K for a highly overpiced sedan that a 2002 Maxima costing 12K can beat in most contests is a badge-loving pencil-dick that thinks driving is for picking up chicks, and driving gloves are for keeping your hands warm when you go clubbing at midnight.


Go ahead, take me on in my own thread, asshole. :nono:

Every time i see a C6 z06 it makes me want to double my course load so I can get one sooner... amazing car, chevy really set a new bar with this one.

It outperforms the BMW M5 regardless of it's HP/Liter.

IMHO, anyone who pays between 26 to 30K for a highly overpiced sedan that a 2002 Maxima costing 12K can beat in most contests is a badge-loving pencil-dick that thinks driving is for picking up chicks, and driving gloves are for keeping your hands warm when you go clubbing at midnight.


Go ahead, take me on in my own thread, asshole. :nono:
Lets take it easy you two, it's just cars, not life or death...to each their own.
On the Devil's advocate side of things, I've driven my maxima and a 2000 BMW 323i back to back...my car couldn't touch that thing in terms of handling, refinement, or ergonomics...calling the 3 series overpriced is like calling Veuve Cliquot overpriced...you gotta pay a premium to get the good stuff...BMW is more than a snobby badge...drive one and you'll understand.
On the other side of the argument, 70, 75, even 80 large I believe is an appropriate price for the C6 Z06...it is unfair to say that anything more than 55 large is overpriced for a car that has exotic-like numbers.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that good arguments could be made for both sides of the argument, but you two did it in just about the most immature, disrespectful way I've ever seen :disappoin

Lets take it easy you two, it's just cars, not life or death...to each their own.
On the Devil's advocate side of things, I've driven my maxima and a 2000 BMW 323i back to back...my car couldn't touch that thing in terms of handling, refinement, or ergonomics...calling the 3 series overpriced is like calling Veuve Cliquot overpriced...you gotta pay a premium to get the good stuff...BMW is more than a snobby badge...drive one and you'll understand.
On the other side of the argument, 70, 75, even 80 large I believe is an appropriate price for the C6 Z06...it is unfair to say that anything more than 55 large is overpriced for a car that has exotic-like numbers.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that good arguments could be made for both sides of the argument, but you two did it in just about the most immature, disrespectful way I've ever seen :disappoin
I've owned a BMW before, among other cars, and am a regular, longtime poster at bimmerforums.com. I can tell you that the car is not snobby - some owners are.

One: I'm not about to "argue" with some well-off, snobby a-hole that knows no better than to piss on a well-meaning thread about an awesome car by any standard, besides his "snob value" factor. This is why I tell it like it is off-the-bat. No arguments.

Two: I have been nothing but straightforward in here. I don't bitch about my car in here, I don't bitch about others, except maybe to some extent in the Political Forums - but politicians are fair game. I'm a busy asshole myself, at least for the past year or so I have been, so I have no time to bullshit, or dick around with niceties - at least not with people that do not deserve it, or those that need a verbal slap in the face. If you think that's immature, then have fun with that illusion. Get this: mine was an annoyed reaction. YOU are acting like you know us. I'm not calling you immature in return, but I'm calling you a meddling betty looking to score "maturity points" by calling another - in an issue that doesn't concern you - "immature".

Three: I know you mean well, or in your mind you are saying you are, but please back-off, and let the preppy jackass that looks to ruin this thread respond for himself, as he's the one that purported to be the expert in automotive value around here. Maybe we can start a "brand value advice" forum just for him.

That's all fine and good and all...I can understand you "telling it like it is" if you don't mean to win friends (I'm guessing you don't)...I'm just saying there is a better way around it than making personal insults...that's where you should draw the line because you won't get very far in life acting like that.

Well this thread's turned into a bmw cock fest....

Well this thread's turned into a bmw cock fest....

indeed.

Well this thread's turned into a bmw cock fest....
One BMW post in the midst of 423879 bowtie posts and all of a sudden it's a, as you so eloquently put it, a "BMW cockfest"? I don't understand you (ex)chevy guys sometimes.

guess that makes me a chevy guy... ^^

One BMW post in the midst of 423879 bowtie posts and all of a sudden it's a, as you so eloquently put it, a "BMW cockfest"? I don't understand you (ex)chevy guys sometimes.

Every thread lately has turned into a one...if not BMW some other brand loyal nit wit has to ruin a thread to get his 2 cents in... You can't have an honest discussion around here anymore.

Every thread lately has turned into a one...if not BMW some other brand loyal nit wit has to ruin a thread to get his 2 cents in... You can't have an honest discussion around here anymore.
Well as long as there are cars roaming the earth, there are going to be brand-loyal nitwits...just as there are going to be team-loyal nitwits(NFL, MLB, NHL,....MLS? GO GALAXY!)...just one of those things I guess.

that's where you should draw the line because you won't get very far in life acting like that.

Actually, it's the ones that have gotten "that far", or in the process of "getting that far", that act this way.

I work fifteen feet away from the COO of the billion-dollar company I work for. Trust me, dicking around a subject is what slows you down.

Besides, how do you know I don't have an ulterior motive? Remember when I went off on you? How'd that go? Are you still butt-hurt, hence this little "intervention"?

holy shit! a soccer fan, yeah!

I get griped for going off topic because I laughed at the naysayers first

lovely...

all this crap is taking away from the fun of sane and fun comparing like Mr. Lous put up and how aweome this car is sure we all have brands we like more but give credit where do this car is fucking evil.

Spread the love and props to chevy on this bad boy!

edit: back to topic about that paddle shift i heard a rumor from my boss it'll be coming on the z06 too any info on this?

ps: if you dont like the grammer i'm done tore up!

holy shit! a soccer fan, yeah!
Haha, you know, gotta show love for my sport :icon16:
Hey if it the C6 has a paddle shift option, that means I could actually drive it...

since we're kinda going off topic here.... NISSAN OWNZ JOO!!! j/p

anyways i always love vettes, and i would love to own a C5 Z06, but after seeing a brand spanking new yellow C6 Z06 on the road, my car all of the sudden seems like childs play, god that car is sexy. anyways, the Z06 Vette looks better then any current bimmer out. ( and i love the old E46 Ci's, and i love the new 5 series ) but nothing will turn heads like that C6 Z06 plus it will flat out smoke any production bimmer ever and i mean EVER made.

BMW and Honda have no trouble making over 100 hp/liter, but look at how late you get it in your powerband; look under the torque curve. The Z06 may be making only 505 horsepower out of 7 liters, but it gets it RIGHT away, all over the powerband. And besides, who cares about hp/liter? That doesn't dictate how fast a car is. Power/weight is what matters, and the Z06 excels in that area.

Wow...somehow this has become a Vette vs. Bimmer thread.
And Tat, remember that the McLaren F1 is at least half-BMW

this thread = :boink:

Wow...somehow this has become a Vette vs. Bimmer thread.
And Tat, remember that the McLaren F1 is at least half-BMW


Yeah, but you're also paying a cool million for that thing...

But, now I'm curious...

McLaren F1
Price: $890,000
Miles Per Gallon: 12 mpg
Curb Weight: 2840 lbs
Layout: Mid-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: V12
Displacement: 6064 cc
Horsepower: 627 bhp @ 7400 rpm
Torque: 479 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Redline: 7500 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 3.3 sec
0-100 mph: 7.7 sec
Quarter Mile: 11.6 sec @ 125 mph
Skidpad: .86g
Top Speed: 231 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 127 ft
Slalom Speed: 64.5 mph

Not Bad.

C6 Z06
Price: $65,800
Miles Per Gallon: 18 mpg
Curb Weight: 3150lbs
Layout: Front Engine/RWD
Transmission: 6 speed manual
Engine
Type: V8
Displacement: 7000cc
Horsepower: 505 @ 6300rpm
Torque: 470 @ 4800rpm
Redline: 7000
Performance
0-60 mph: 3.5
0-100 mph: 7.3
Quarter Mile: 11.5 @ 127mph
Skidpad: .98g (1.05g on race track with a max of 1.12g just before loss of traction)
Topspeed: 198mph
Braking, 60-0: 104ft
Slalom Speed: n/a can't find it on google.


Neato.

Those are some of the worst numbers I've ever seen for the F1 (.86 max cornering load? Come on, my car does that), but the point I was trying to make was that tat said no BMW made could ever touch the C6 Z06...I was just throwing that out there for argument's sake, regardless of price.

http://www.2sportscars.com/f1.shtml
http://www.modernracer.com/features/worldsfastestcars4.html

:p

but the info luos posted had the z06's 0-60 at 4.1 and the 1/4 at 12 flat, ive also seen it rated at 12.2... those are quite a bit different.

pssh... My old LeSabre TType could take both of those...

but the info luos posted had the z06's 0-60 at 4.1 and the 1/4 at 12 flat, ive also seen it rated at 12.2... those are quite a bit different.


The times Motor Trend posted are 11.5 @ 127mph.

I've also seen times for the McLaren F1 at 11.1 @ 132mph... For the price of the McLaren you aren't really getting that much more performance than the Z06.

Odd.

True, but at that price point your buying exclusivity, and the name. You'll never turn heads in a Z06 like you would in an f1. The Z06 won't have the special quirks (for lack of a better word) of the f1 like the center mounted seat. Same with ferrari's and lamborghinis.

No doubt the new z06 is a hell of a performance bargain, but in my eyes you can't compare cars of that caliber the same as other cars. Atleast thats my outlook on it.

Yes, McLaren only made like 100 of those babies...mega-exclusive
Who knows how many Z06's will be made.
Plus, the McLaren F1 is a one-off specialty car...the Z06 could be looked at as just a souped-up Vette.

For the price of the McLaren you aren't really getting that much more performance than the Z06.



nope there really is no denying that

Also, it's a bit unfair to be comparing a brand new car to an almost 11 year-old car...huge technological leaps have been made in performance in those 11 years.

Info I got was for a '97 McLaren.

Last year for them...

Bah...11 years...9 years...six of one half dozen of the other.
9 years ago a maxima only had 190 horsepower.

Sunofabitch.

What the fuck are we? Twelve?

This thread was posted for those that might like to see the capabilities of the new Z06.

It's one thing to call the car ugly, as was done in the Bugatti thread. It's one thing to say that it makes inefficient power.

It's another to say that the car isn't worth a certain amount, because it's a certain type/brand of car, and not on the merits of what it can do, or what it offers.

Also, this juvenile/assinine bullshit with the Z06, and the McLaren. Holy fucking shit people. Each car does what it does, and they cost what they cost. I'd give an arm and a leg for each one - it just so happens that one requires a MUCH bigger piece of each limb. SO FUCKING WHAT? Go to car comparisons if you want to do that bullshit.

The fact that the debate is in here, is because some snot wanted a good parting shot, which should've been totally ignored at that point.

Either way, way to kill what could have been an excellent thread.


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As for you, you little fucking coward piece of shit Cassie, whoever the fuck you are, you preppy snot...

...I left this open until now, so that you could prove me wrong about you, and allow you to slap my words back at me, but your lackey that curently carries your quote in his sig is intent on dragging this farther, and farther into Childishville. You know - Mr. Mature. So either I am right about you, or you are not man enough to speak for yourself.

Maybe the next time you denigrate a whole community of car enthusiasts, or attempt to ruin a thread, because the subject is "not worthy", maybe, JUST maybe, you'll think twice about it.

People like YOU are the reason why I loved, and do miss, my beat-up, old Sentra SE-R so much. Watching your snotty expression turn into sour-grapes, as that old Sentra walks away from you would have made my year. At least I'd be far enough ahead of you to not hear the standard: "at least I drove home in a BMW".

Either way, I called you out as a jackass, and barring a response, a jackass you shall remain in my books.