My friend wants to bet me 20 dollars that he can beat me in an Integra LS, with me behind the wheel of a DOHC Vtec 1999 Civic Si, with equal or no mods on either cars.

I am a pretty good driver, I've been racing stickshift for 2 1/2 years now, and he is equally good, if not worse of a driver.

He is stubbornly hard headed about this, and he also claimes that integra LS' get 138 hp to the wheels stock. If I'm not mistaken don't they get like 122 hp to the wheels stock?

Yeah, an LS, 138 to the wheels, I don't know about that. Then again I am by no means a Honda expert. :p

Take the bet, smoke his ass, collect the cash:D

S2Carolla is not a better driver than me..... i can drive better than he can... in racing that is...... ok now i know for a fact i can beat him in a ls with a header ane exhuast if hedrives a civic si with the same mods..... i know for a fact.....

It's COrolla, not CArolla, learn how to spell. And if that's supposed to be a joke, spelling it like that, then I've got one more flag on my side that says you're going to lose.

Oh yeah and Chris, if you look up www.car-stats.com my car is actually .1 of a second slower than yours at the 1/4, so if your driving is so much better than mine, then why is it that when you had an AEM cold air, DC top header, and cat back exhaust, I beat you by a car or a car and half 8 times out of 9? Can you explain that? If your driving skills are so great, then why is it that when you're supposed to be running 16.2 or 16 flat, you were losing to a car that runs 16.5???

I can't believe you got an account on AF just to argue with me here.

Originally posted by KaosBoy
S2Carolla is not a better driver than me..... i can drive better than he can... in racing that is...... ok now i know for a fact i can beat him in a ls with a header ane exhuast if hedrives a civic si with the same mods..... i know for a fact.....

Uhh, make sure you DON'T bet money on this. The LS is nearly a second slower than an SI...

S2 if you come to st. louis, you can borrow my car to take this kids cash

My friend ran 15.8 on his 95 integra ls auto at the track. All he had was intake and customed cat back. Thats only one time though. The rest he ran like 16.0-16.3.

Haha, actually, the only reason we haven't raced is because I can't find an Si here that doesn't have major mods to it. I mean I used to have a friend that has an Si with just a cold air and a header, but first, he blew his third gear synchro, and second, we're not friends anymore. (drama)

So we haven't raced yet. I've debated getting a Civic Si as my next car since the guy with the Gizzer backed out, but... My dreams of having a 2 door coupe powered by an H22a still stand strong.

Dang, St. Louis, lotta miles.

youll be able to find a GSR easier than an Si

actually, My friend ran 14.9 with just I/H/E and shortshifter in his 2000 Si. dont ask me how. i saw his timeslip.

that car runs 12s now

It depends on where you live and where you look. In California, I found a 2000 Civic Si with 12,000 miles on it and a clean title for 11,900.00$
But with GSR's, I've only found like four with clean titles and they cost well over 16,000.00$. Don't even get me started with 5th gen Preludes, :sigh:.
I figured, hybrid is the way to go.
I can get a good condition 94+ Integra LS for about 5,000.00 and a shop I'm cool with quoted me 3200.00 for an H22A swap, with axels, ECU, wiring and everything. And they said it will take them only 5-6 days to do the full swap.

I still debate getting an Si though, because I don't know if I can live for 5-6 days without a car, and Si's have a lot of aftermarket support...
(Where are you going to find a Cold Air intake for a Prelude powered integra?)

14.9's possible in an Si, but there's steps you have to go through.

First off, you have to use the right stuff. Okay, an Injen Cold Air get's more hp to the wheels then an AEM, if everything's stock. But tests have proven that when you have a ceramic coated JDM header AND a cold air intake, the AEM one responds better to the set up than the injen. So an AEM gets about 5 hp to the wheels, stock, and Injen gets 6, but with the header, the AEM get's nearly 7 wheel hp, and the header gets more hp as well. It's all in set ups, so say you have an AEM cold air, a DC sports JDM type header and Greddy catback exhaust with a high flow cat, with minor weight reduction it's possible to break 14's, especially if the driver is good. With a shortshifter it's even more possible, because I've driven Si's, and you kidrocket have to know the stock Si shifter isn't too responsive to powershifting, but with a shortshifter, (a real one not an autozone one) like the B&M, you'll take 70% off of your shifting time, and if it normally takes you 1/4 of a second to shift gears, and you take 50% of your shifting time off, then you just knocked off 3/8 of a second off your 1/4 mile time, because there are 3 upshifts in a 1/4 mile run with an Si.
An Si stock off the lot runs 15.7, broken in and taken care off with about 3000 miles on it, it can run 15.5 with good track weather. (everyone knows a car runs better when it's broken in and it is taken care of)
And intake header exhaust is known to drop .3-.6 of a second off your quarter mile time.
Hope that helps.

I have a friend that is selling a blue Civic Si. It has been lowered, custom tires and rims, and the only engine mod is a cold air intake. I am not sure who makes it. He was selling it for around $14,000 I think and was willing to deliver it. I'll see if he has sold it if you want.

I'm already in the process of getting a 95 Integra RS, 110k freeway miles, but brakes and stuff are in good condition, perfectly ready for an H22 swap!!!
My friend in SD wants an Si though... So yeah check it out for me, please, thanks.

Alright I'll drop him a line today and let you know.

ummmm... yeah :rolleyes:
i have a 2k si and i used to have a 94ls... and the si is gonna win unless the si driver is sleepin or something...or the ac is on full blast..
and btw ...
So we haven't raced yet. I've debated getting a Civic Si as my next car since the guy with the Gizzer backed out, but... My dreams of having a 2 door coupe powered by an H22a still stand strong.
isn't the prelude a 2 door coupe :confused:
oh well happy hunting..
if he keeps buggin ya ask him if his ls will take an s2k , since he knows for a fact it'll kill an si ... :rolleyes:

I just got 40$ richer... LOL :cool:
Following the wise words of Self, "Take the bet, smoke his ass, collect the cash"
Haha, I'm gonna go see Spiderman again.

Originally posted by THE4TH
isn't the prelude a 2 door coupe :confused:


Yeah but this was my plan. Drop an H22a in a 2 door coupe Civic and do an integra tail light conversion and swap in Type R suspension and brakes... That's why I said "2 door coupe powered by an h22". But I got a red flag when i thought about over steer because of the weight distribution in the car.

Take the S2000 for instance, that car KILLS on the track because its weight distribution is almost 50/50 exactly, so it can go into turns at 70-75 mph without losing traction and skidding or drifting.
I like autocrossing, but if I have an H22 in a 2 door coupe, I'm gonna fly through turns and die.

So my new plan was to swap an H22 into an Integra shell, since the integra already has ABS and it weighs a little more, all I'll have to do is swap in the Type R suspension and get bigger brakes, and I won't need to do the taillight conversion. Maybe a JDM Honda Integra headlight conversion... But that's further down the line.

right on man ... sounds like a plan... well let me see it when your done..
i'd love to see a tail light conversion... that would be great..

S2 whered u get the Si to race?

A new kid with a milano red 1999 Si showed up and I was the first one to race him. After I beat him in a "stock" corolla, he wanted me to teach him how to race. So I told him that I would teach him if he let me run his car against an Integra. He agreed. Now the thing is, when I raced him I didn't really notice anything wrong with his shifting or his take off, but... Remember, he thinks I'm "stock" so I just stayed ahead of him a car length and a half the whole way.

So I raced the LS, and this LS had a factor on his side, first part, he had a JDM header, second part, his car was lowered with badass suspension upgrades.
They flagged it, my friend did jump me in the Integra, but I caught up in first gear, pulled about a car length and a half in second, and in third, I mutilated him. I shifted into fourth, hit the 1/4 mark threw the hazards and slowed down.

i told ya the si would scrap him ... lol... i know it will, i know it will....

There's more to getting your car to handle like an S2000, other than just 50/50 weight distribution. The S2000's engine is set just behind the front axle, and actually gets 25/25/25/25 weight distrubution.... even on all wheels. Then there is the stiff as hell X-bone frame, stiff suspension, sticky Potenza S02's, etc. There is a lot more to the handling of the car than just the weight distribution. Oh yeah, and it's RWD. lol

s2corolla boy is lying he never got to drive that red si and we never raced that red si wont let him touch the car...... hes fucking lying his ass off..... i havent raced him in the ls yet......... FUCKIN LIAR!!!!!

Originally posted by KaosBoy
s2corolla boy is lying he never got to drive that red si and we never raced that red si wont let him touch the car...... hes fucking lying his ass off..... i havent raced him in the ls yet......... FUCKIN LIAR!!!!!


hmmmm...

S2 is boring me he comes up with all this stuff? ?


lets see a picture of your car S2 !

S2 needs to stop reading super street...he's a mag racer

Originally posted by KaosBoy
s2corolla boy is lying he never got to drive that red si and we never raced that red si wont let him touch the car...... hes fucking lying his ass off..... i havent raced him in the ls yet......... FUCKIN LIAR!!!!!

Okay man, whatever you say. Keep telling yourself that.

thats alright, if it makes him feel good about himself, let him keep it up. it would be pretty pathetic though.

Heh, Corolla is such a funny car. Only a little faster than an Echo, LOL.

Hey caosboy, how do you know that S2 didnt race a DIFFERENT LS? And your shit probably is not going to beat an SI. It is simple dynamics. And someone who talks the way you do generally talks big because he cant RACE big.

And to Chevy4lyf, If I had the money at the time, I would have gone with a 93-97 corolla over my civic.

either that or you did race, he smoked your ass, and you are in denial

Originally posted by Melt
either that or you did race, he smoked your ass, and you are in denial

That's it right there, BINGO!

Originally posted by carrrnuttt



hmmmm...

You know carrrnuttt, you tell me a lot of stuff about being neutral, not being controversial or saying things that start arguements. I posted a kill and you don't say "good kill" or "nice kill" showing any support of me obviously because I'm a Toyota driver, but the minute some loser who I don't even know comes in and starts making crap up saying I'm not who I am and I didn't do what I did, you stick your CONTROVERSIAL, BIASED nose in and say stupid things like "hmmmmm..." Some moderator YOU are.

This is all my opinion, I'm not starting a flame with you, but I want to know, why is it that you tell people to just post a kill and try to earn credit, and no flaming, but the minute something comes up to be anything negative against me, a Toyota driver, you butt in and back it up?

Ok, kaosboy needs to chill. If you check out this forum some more I admitted to getting beaten by a CRX SI. There is no need to deny what has already happened, it just makes you look stupider

Originally posted by S2Corolla


You know carrrnuttt, you tell me a lot of stuff about being neutral, not being controversial or saying things that start arguements. I posted a kill and you don't say "good kill" or "nice kill" showing any support of me obviously because I'm a Toyota driver, but the minute some loser who I don't even know comes in and starts making crap up saying I'm not who I am and I didn't do what I did, you stick your CONTROVERSIAL, BIASED nose in and say stupid things like "hmmmmm..." Some moderator YOU are.

This is all my opinion, I'm not starting a flame with you, but I want to know, why is it that you tell people to just post a kill and try to earn credit, and no flaming, but the minute something comes up to be anything negative against me, a Toyota driver, you butt in and back it up?

You came up with ALL OF THAT, simply from the statement of "hmmmm"??? My dear goodness! Am I the only one who thinks that you may be reading into the situation a bit much? All carrrrrnut is insinuating is that the whole "kill" looks pretty darn suspicious. You're saying you beat someone in a race, then someone posts that you're lying and that the race never happened, and that they are the person who you said you smoked. Why are we to automatically believe you over him? It's not our job to pass judgement on who is lying and who is telling the truth. But don't expect everyone to outright ignore the story of another member and jump on your bandwagon, and congradulate you for a kill we're not even sure happened. So once again, there is no need to read some much fictitious information into carrrrnut's reply of "hmmmmm...". And your insistence that he's only being "biased" is b/c you drive a Toyota?? Get real. You're fishing here and coming up with an empty hook, and everyone knows it.

First post by self -- You're saying you beat someone in a race, then someone posts that you're lying and that the race never happened
Im gonna go with S2 on this one. If this race didnt happen Kaosboy wouldnt be so pissed off in his posts. Also we have no evidence that Kaosboy is the person he raced, Kaos could just be a passer by who decided to mess around and talk about how dope his LS with header and whatever other shit he has and how it will take an SI. Reality Check KaosBoy - If you had a GS-R you might be able to hang, but an LS?!?! Get real.

First post by self -- You came up with ALL OF THAT, simply from the statement of "hmmmm"???
Also I do not believe that all of that came from this post. I bet Carrrnuttt has messed with him before and he is sick of it.

Yeah you're right, carrrnut has openly flamed me before saying that I was the one saying controversial statements. A lot of Honda drivers are ALWAYS confrontational to Nissan and Toyota drivers, completely forgetting that Toyota dominates in Japan. Melt, I respect your unbiased opinion, and it's possible that guy's just pissed that he lost, but lets get something straight too, I don't even know if kaosboy is the guy I raced, the guy I raced I talk to everyday and he still seems to know that I beat him.
And Kaos is a team that shut itself down about 6 months ago, so this guy is all about old school news.

And no you don't have to believe me, but when a Honda driver posts a kill on this board and someone tries to go against it, you guys suddenly jump on him for disrespecting the all mighty 15 second BEASTS that Honda's are. But when a Toyota DRIVER posts a kill, even though it's in a Honda car, you suddenly bag on him. So tell me carrrnuttt, did I lose just because I'm a Toyota driver? Even though an LS struggles to run low 16's stock, and Si's have commonly gotten 15.7's on all stock parts, it's possible I lost? Is it? Maybe it's because I drive a Corolla, huh? Maybe because I drive a Toyota I'm bound to ALWAYS lose regardless of who I race.

Yes, Melt you are right, and I thought carrrnuttt had gone neutral between us, I thought those days were over, but I was obviously wrong, he's still a biased moderator, and THAT'S MY OPINION.

OH YEAH!!!??? I CAN PISS LONGER THAN ANY OF YA!!!:flipa: :finger: :flipa: :finger:

Originally posted by S2Corolla
Yeah you're right, carrrnut has openly flamed me before saying that I was the one saying controversial statements. A lot of Honda drivers are ALWAYS confrontational to Nissan and Toyota drivers, completely forgetting that Toyota dominates in Japan. Melt, I respect your unbiased opinion, and it's possible that guy's just pissed that he lost, but lets get something straight too, I don't even know if kaosboy is the guy I raced, the guy I raced I talk to everyday and he still seems to know that I beat him.
And Kaos is a team that shut itself down about 6 months ago, so this guy is all about old school news.

And no you don't have to believe me, but when a Honda driver posts a kill on this board and someone tries to go against it, you guys suddenly jump on him for disrespecting the all mighty 15 second BEASTS that Honda's are. But when a Toyota DRIVER posts a kill, even though it's in a Honda car, you suddenly bag on him. So tell me carrrnuttt, did I lose just because I'm a Toyota driver? Even though an LS struggles to run low 16's stock, and Si's have commonly gotten 15.7's on all stock parts, it's possible I lost? Is it? Maybe it's because I drive a Corolla, huh? Maybe because I drive a Toyota I'm bound to ALWAYS lose regardless of who I race.

Yes, Melt you are right, and I thought carrrnuttt had gone neutral between us, I thought those days were over, but I was obviously wrong, he's still a biased moderator, and THAT'S MY OPINION.

I don't know why you find it absurd that people doubt rather the race really happened. You're saying it did, he's saying it didn't. WHo are we to decide who's right or wrong?? All we can say is that there are doubts about the race really happening. And it has nothing to do with who you are or what you drive. None of us KNOW you, and none of us KNOW him, so we have absolutely NO REASON to believe YOU over him! Or vice-versa for that matter. And also, if someone came on here and posted that they had smoked me when they really hadn't, I would be PISSED! So just b/c the other guy is angry about it, that doesn't mean he's lying.

Self, thanks for the backup. You took the words right out of my fingers with that first post. Haven't been on in a few days and I almost missed this.

S2Corolla. I agree. The '99-'00 Civic SI will definitely beat an old LS with equal drivers. It happened to me before I got the engine swap on my 1990 Integra. The "hmmmmm..." which seems so dang controversial to you, is me wondering who is telling the truth, since both of you are in this thread. Also, you're right. I am biased against you. Not because of your car make, but because you have shown me a level of immaturity, that frankly, you are still showing, though not that much anymore.

As for me "flaming" you, our old "arguments" are one of the reasons that I got asked by admin to be a mod. They saw how I handled you and a few other people that got a little off-hand. I guess I wasn't "flaming" that bad.

Suggestion: After you type ANYTHING, read over it carefully before you hit the submit button. Try to look at your post like you were reading a stranger's writing, and see how you feel about your own posts that way. I do that ALL the time.

posted by carrrnuttt -- I am biased against you. Not because of your car make, but because you have shown me a level of immaturity, that frankly, you are still showing, though not that much anymore.
I dont think you have the makings of a good moderator. A moderator is supposed to be MODERATE and NOT take sides no matter what the situation may be. The hmmm comment at first may seem perfectly normal, but when you take into account what you have done with s2 so far, and the fact that you openly admit that you are biased, I think that the admin should rethink the moderator ranking that they have awarded to you. Also, I do believe that some of your "biasedness" toward s2 has something to do with the fact that he is a toyota driver. It isnt very often that someone with a Corolla comes to a street racing forum, and i think that you have a problem with that.
After you type ANYTHING, read over it carefully before you hit the submit button. Try to look at your post like you were reading a stranger's writing, and see how you feel about your own posts that way. I do that ALL the time.
well good for you mr. perfect, :finger:

Originally posted by Self


I don't know why you find it absurd that people doubt rather the race really happened. You're saying it did, he's saying it didn't. WHo are we to decide who's right or wrong?? All we can say is that there are doubts about the race really happening. And it has nothing to do with who you are or what you drive. None of us KNOW you, and none of us KNOW him, so we have absolutely NO REASON to believe YOU over him! Or vice-versa for that matter. And also, if someone came on here and posted that they had smoked me when they really hadn't, I would be PISSED! So just b/c the other guy is angry about it, that doesn't mean he's lying.

Okay and you're going to tell me, with all complete honesty, that if I went into someone else's kill and said, "No you didn't." Or... "Hmmmmm..." That I won't get flamed for it? I'm pretty sure I would.

Oh and if someone says they beat me, when they didn't... I come in and give reason to it, or I wouldn't care at all. I've raced a lot... About 10 of the people that I have raced have said I didn't beat them or the race didn't take place at all. If I got angry at every person that said I didn't beat them I would have a lot of issues to deal with AS a racer. That's the honest to God truth... Racing is some kind of democracy, where you have to pick your fights. This guy got major po'ed and looking at what car it is in his profile I know it IS him, and this is the way he get's. He has no shame whatsoever to admit defeat. I beat him 8 times to one loss in his Civic EX when he had cold air intake, header and exhaust, when I was stock on just exhaust. So driving skills aren't even a conversational subject.

I was always taught and I learned for myself, that when a person gets really angry about an accusation or rumor... It's usually true.

Originally posted by carrrnuttt

Also, you're right. I am biased against you. Not because of your car make, but because you have shown me a level of immaturity, that frankly, you are still showing, though not that much anymore.

As for me "flaming" you, our old "arguments" are one of the reasons that I got asked by admin to be a mod. They saw how I handled you and a few other people that got a little off-hand. I guess I wasn't "flaming" that bad.

Well, excuse me for having an opinion. Honda forum or not a Honda forum, this is linked to AutomotiveForums.com... I am an automotive enthusiast. To me, a car is a car and anything can go fast. I came in and regardless of what you may think the ONLY person who handled the situation well was KidRocket. He sent me a PM telling me that he respected my intelligent posts, offering a truce between us, and he drives a Civic Si. YOU, on the other hand, and in my honest opinion, showed a complete siding against me. But I'm not gonna whine about it, I have a feeling you're going to lose your title of moderator through other posts and threads. You're nothing like Moppie, and I'm saving every single thread that I post on that you "moderate".

Originally posted by carrrnuttt
Suggestion: After you type ANYTHING, read over it carefully before you hit the submit button. Try to look at your post like you were reading a stranger's writing, and see how you feel about your own posts that way. I do that ALL the time. [/B]

I bet you looked at that three times, and thought, "Wow... I'm bad..."
Hey I read the posts before I place them, without people like me this would be some democracy of Honda, where Honda owners get to trash-talk other vehicles and moderators like you get to be biased and get away with it, and the only car's that get respect are cars like Self's, which the stock dx's with Si stickers on this forum can't touch. I LIKE being controversial, it's good for other people to hear what someone else thinks...
NSX-RJ whatever openly says the Corolla sucks and that unless it's J-spec it's a "piece of trash"... That, my friend, is flaming... I don't care what you think. He is openly putting down my car and other owners of it. Hey, a CRX dx has crappy handling and crappy performance in a straight line too, but drop a Jap Spec B16A3 in it, with crower cams, a stage one clutch, and drag radials, and you've easy got a mid 13's car.

You never came in and told him, "Hey, watch your mouth... Don't trash talk cars, I'm a moderator, shine my shoes..." No, no, no, no, no... He's entitled to his opinion right? Well I'm entitled to mine.

And Melt, thank you for being un-biased and siding with the truth, rather than the emblems on your car, it's greatly appreciated.

Originally posted by Melt

And to Chevy4lyf, If I had the money at the time, I would have gone with a 93-97 corolla over my civic.

It's not too late. :D
You know they have the 4AGE swap available for those years Corolla's, it's a J-Spec Celica engine rated at 160 hp, and 128 lbs. of torque, a'la B16A, kind of like Toyota's flavor.
And in 93-95 Corolla's, some people have swapped in the 3SGTE engine from an MR2 turbo, running 13.4 stock. There's a 1998 Corolla on our site that has that engine, running about 500 hp to the flywheel.

first post by s2corolla -- It's not too late
Im doing good with my civic for now, possibly after college I will get a corolla or maybe a 96-00 civic HX. But then again I may just keep my car to commute and get a TRD Tacoma for wheelin' or going to the mountains. Also, it would be way easier to throw my bike in the tacoma than it is to put the roof rack on my civic and put the bike up there.

first post by s2corolla -- It's not too late
Im doing good with my civic for now, possibly after college I will get a corolla or maybe a 96-00 civic HX. But then again I may just keep my car to commute and get a TRD Tacoma for wheelin' or going to the mountains. Also, it would be way easier to throw my bike in the tacoma than it is to put the roof rack on my civic and put the bike up there.

-- Also check this out --
I was looking at Kaosboys profile and here are some interesting things from it.
Vehicle 2001 Honda Civic Ex
Biography I LOVE RACING!!!!
Location El Centro
Interests RACING AND FIXING UP CIVIC
Occupation K-MART
Ok, so he works at k-mart, talks a lot about his CIVIC. Lets see here, wasnt this entire thread about an si vs an INTEGRA LS, I think i smell something fishy.

oops, sorry for the dual posts, i got the v-bulletin message and tried to post again and when I got here it was here twice.

Damn this thread has gotten long, 4 pages and counting.

Originally posted by Melt

I dont think you have the makings of a good moderator. A moderator is supposed to be MODERATE and NOT take sides no matter what the situation may be.

Hmmmm....

(for all of you who get confused by this, it means hmmmm....when did I ever take a side?....just because I said I'm biased towards somebody, doesn't mean that I have taken any side, for or against. Trust me, You'll know when I have taken a side.)

Originally posted by Melt

The hmmm comment at first may seem perfectly normal, but when you take into account what you have done with s2 so far, and the fact that you openly admit that you are biased, I think that the admin should rethink the moderator ranking that they have awarded to you. Also, I do believe that some of your "biasedness" toward s2 has something to do with the fact that he is a toyota driver. It isnt very often that someone with a Corolla comes to a street racing forum, and i think that you have a problem with that.


To explain the first "hmmmm":rolleyes:, it meant that I did not know who to believe, and I wasn't going to make that decision based on what I've read in this thread. S2 also has quoted a 2000 Mustang GT convertible as running a 15.6 in the quarter when the same car is quoted regularly in magazines as running 14's easy. That shows me he is quick to say something without research (or knowledge) as long as he feels like it supports his argument. I have no problem with you having a problem with me. You can e-mail admin if you want about me.

Also, what have I done with S2 so far? Tell me. I'll see about correcting my errant ways.:rolleyes:

You are quite disillusioned as to what the Moderator position carries. Think of it as law enforcement for the board. You've seen cop shows right? When you catch somebody being stupid, will you not keep an eye on that individual everytime you drive by him or his house? I'm not in anyway, comparing S2 to a common criminal(I know you'll find way of twisting that, like you did "hmmmm"), but the situation is similar....what do you want me to do? Lie?

Last but NOT in anyways least: How many times am I going to repeat tha fact that I have owned as many Toyotas (3) as much as I have Hondas? Among my "Toys" was a 1996 Corolla. If you count the Toyotas my dad has owned (a different one every 2 years since 1980, counting the Lexus cars), I have actually driven more Toyotas than I'll ever drive Hondas. Not to mention my personal first ever car was a Toyota. That wagon is broke, get off it.

as far as i can see the only reason you should lose the the integra is if you cant drive. period im new around here but this seems like a cool place. either way my 92 integra is runnig 13.8 in the quarter and its all engine.!

I finaly decided to wade into all 4 pages and see what this thread is about. The only thing I have to say is they need a new moderator. His statement admitting he is biased, then saying he does not take sides. What the heck is that???:rolleyes:

I dont see either of them on this thread much anymore, I think they have all lost interest, only reason im posting is cause I got the notification email of a new post and figured this should be good. But hey, they may still post so we will see, I dont think S2 is on here daily though.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
I finaly decided to wade into all 4 pages and see what this thread is about. The only thing I have to say is they need a new moderator. His statement admitting he is biased, then saying he does not take sides. What the heck is that???:rolleyes:

It means:

I am biased against his past attitudes but I am not taking sides on whether or not either one is lying. I was hoping you, of all people, would understand that, having been "smart" enough to buy the car that was fast to begin with:rolleyes:.

Besides, what do you care about moderatorship in this forum? I've been monitoring your posts and you really don't seem to give a rat's patootie about the cars or the people in here...you DO care about defending your precious Fords and V8's, though.

Oh, and PLEASE do not take this as an "I hate V8's" comment(I know you won't, cuz you're SO smart), because I love ALL cars, as a matter of fact, my OLD dreamcar used to be a 1992 Mustang GT convertible (and my dad used to drive me around in a big-block powered, 4 barrel '75 Cutlass. I respect (V8)Mustangs, Camaros and Firebirds...but I feel better about them shrinking in the rear view mirror of my compact car with the TINY(in comparison) engine. THEN I know I really accomplished something...improbable even. Making a fast car faster is an awesome thing...making a slow car beat the fast(er) car is an achievement.

I dunno, maybe I just like things the hard way, or maybe I don't like paying out my anal orifice for gas, or maybe, just maybe I LIKE sport compacts. Just making a point...everywhere you post, you try to make it sound like anybody that didn't buy a V8 musclecar is just disillusioned.

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


It means:

I am biased against his past attitudes but I am not taking sides on whether or not either one is lying. I was hoping you, of all people, would understand that, having been "smart" enough to buy the car that was fast to begin with:rolleyes:.

Besides, what do you care about moderatorship in this forum? I've been monitoring your posts and you really don't seem to give a rat's patootie about the cars or the people in here...you DO care about defending your precious Fords and V8's, though.

Oh, and PLEASE do not take this as an "I hate V8's" comment(I know you won't, cuz you're SO smart), because I love ALL cars, as a matter of fact, my OLD dreamcar used to be a 1992 Mustang GT convertible (and my dad used to drive me around in a big-block powered, 4 barrel '75 Cutlass. I respect (V8)Mustangs, Camaros and Firebirds...but I feel better about them shrinking in the rear view mirror of my compact car with the TINY(in comparison) engine. THEN I know I really accomplished something...improbable even. Making a fast car faster is an awesome thing...making a slow car beat the fast(er) car is an achievement.

I dunno, maybe I just like things the hard way, or maybe I don't like paying out my anal orifice for gas, or maybe, just maybe I LIKE sport compacts. Just making a point...everywhere you post, you try to make it sound like anybody that didn't buy a V8 musclecar is just disillusioned.


Wow, do you realize how chilidish you sound? And the references to my posts, what post are you talking about? If I was not interested in the cars or people on these forums, I would not continue to post here. You need to grow up a bit.:rolleyes:

Yeah, that comment is whack, I dont think anyone would continue to post here if they werent interested in cars or the people here.

I think carrrnuttt should spend his time elsewhere:finger: :finger: :finger:

Wow, you spent all that time typing such a contradictive waste of forum space?

I'm shocked. First you tell me that I don't like anyone's car's here. Why don't you go check the 92+ Civic Forum, dig deep coz I do remember complimenting someone's ride, it was some guy with gun metal Motegi MR7's and a white Civic.

I compliment nice rides when I see them. But when people talk trash about my ride I take offense. And how could you tell me that I protect V8 power? I like Cobra's and Z06's, so what? I do remember being the one who defended the Civic Si on the supercharged Cobra vs. the turbo Si. Where's you arguement to that?

Oh and I do hope the administrators of the AutomotiveForums see this thread and read what you say because last time I checked, a moderator isn't supposed to be biased against sh!t, he/she is supposed to "moderate", keep the peace, not be biased towards anything. People that are biased are the one's you're supposed to stop from talking shit.

Sounds like you're getting a little too happy with your power.

Originally posted by Melt
Yeah, that comment is whack, I dont think anyone would continue to post here if they werent interested in cars or the people here.

I think carrrnuttt should spend his time elsewhere:finger: :finger: :finger:

Haven't been here in a while. Computer blew and can't afford a new one right now. I guess this is what I've been missing...:rolleyes:.

How long have you been doing this, Melt? Let me repeat:"I dont think anyone would continue to post here if they werent interested in cars or the people here"...I have been doing this since 2000, and there is such a thing as "being interested" as in "being interested in defending your chosen make" and "being interested in bashing 'dem dur Hondays". I've seen 'em all. The reason I was being assinine in my last post is because I've seen it all, and I am making sure of everybody's intentions in here.

S2, don't even...we already had a LONG discussion about this when you first joined, and you conceded to being maybe a bit wrong, and you even backed me a bit along the way. I wasn't even a Mod then. Now that you sense a group forming behind you, you get brave? Jeesh.

hmmmm.... were do you request that a moderator be removed?

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
hmmmm.... were do you request that a moderator be removed?

igor@af.com

Enjoy.

thank you. Glad you can be civil.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
hmmmm.... were do you request that a moderator be removed?

The ironic thing about you svt is that you probably wouldn't care about my comments and probably just retort back if I weren't a moderator. You think I take my stance because I am a moderator(meaning because I can...I have the power...however you may). As a matter of fact, my stance on every issue is given despite my being a moderator. My stance on everything has not changed ever since before my moderatorship. It was my remarks towards S2 and his immaturity(at least in how he presented himself) when he first joined that prompted admin to ask me to be a moderator.

You get threatened when you are opposed by someone with a little bit of authority...and instead of presenting your case and being man, you just want them out of your way...at least this is how I see it. That is the only way I can see things...unless somebody explains it to me better.

But then again, just like S2, you feel the mob behind you, so you really don't care.

Originally posted by S2Corolla:

Oh and I do hope the administrators of the AutomotiveForums see this thread and read what you say because last time I checked, a moderator isn't supposed to be biased against sh!t, he/she is supposed to "moderate", keep the peace, not be biased towards anything. People that are biased are the one's you're supposed to stop from talking shit.

I was a member before I was a moderator. I can be biased towards ANYBODY I please. I don't know where you're from, but last I heard, in America, and most of countries represented here in AF, freedom of speech and thought aren't crimes. The only time being biased is not acceptable, is when that bias is used in a decision. As far as I know, I have NEVER used my bias towards you or anybody else in deciding anything like deleting or removing posts, or banning anybody...except when they're out here to make pointless, thoughtless remarks that don't really do anything but inflame people (that Taco guy comes to mind).

It’s like you guys are saying that since he is a moderator he is no longer allowed to have an opinion. I must say that is bullshit. I am a head moderator at another site and I damn well have my own opinion and hold to it just like I do here. Just because you become a moderator does not mean that you can no longer have an opinion guys that would just be asinine.

hehehehe, carnutt always used to fight with be, when i posted a bit more often, but i agree with him on this, don't be gay, anyone should be able to say whatever they want if it is in relation to the topic at hand.

Well being a moderator is a bit different then just a member. There ought to be a higher standerd and level of maturity in a moderator. From my limited time here carnutt has acted and behaved like the people he is supposed to moderate. Its my opinion, that ought not be. I think I have presented my case/ opinion in a previous post, just restating for clarity sake. Ah, with authority comes limits and fences, seperate from the masses.

Well being a moderator is a bit different then just a member. There ought to be a higher standerd and level of maturity in a moderator. From my limited time here carnutt has acted and behaved like the people he is supposed to moderate. Its my opinion, that ought not be. I think I have presented my case/ opinion in a previous post, just restating for clarity sake. Ah, with authority comes limits and fences, seperate from the masses.

AMEN!:smoker:

Originally posted by Polygon
It’s like you guys are saying that since he is a moderator he is no longer allowed to have an opinion. I must say that is bullshit. I am a head moderator at another site and I damn well have my own opinion and hold to it just like I do here. Just because you become a moderator does not mean that you can no longer have an opinion guys that would just be asinine.

Where are you a moderator at?

I am hed mod at:

http://www.pgnx.net

We are down right now, having some server issues that will be resolved soon. It is a gaming website.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Well being a moderator is a bit different then just a member. There ought to be a higher standerd and level of maturity in a moderator. From my limited time here carnutt has acted and behaved like the people he is supposed to moderate. Its my opinion, that ought not be. I think I have presented my case/ opinion in a previous post, just restating for clarity sake. Ah, with authority comes limits and fences, seperate from the masses.

Well...(at the risk of sounding like the people I'm moderating)...if you are so enlightened, why don't you apply to be a mod and show us intellectually encumbered types how it's done. But then again, from the sound of your post above, you sound pretty disillusioned about what authority is all about. Have you ever been in a position of authority? Based on your statements, I say no, but if I'm wrong, I apologize in advance. Oh, and shift lead at McDonalds doesn't count...(inflammatory, but satisfying).

Oh, and shift lead at McDonalds doesn't count...(inflammatory, but satisfying).

The moderators I can't stand are the ones that make a smartass comment like that, and then ban you from the forum for saying something nasty back. I've probably been banned from 3 or 4 forums and a couple chat rooms because of that(yeah the world loves me).

Obviously you're not one of those mods carnut, I don't see anyone banned yet. Later.

Originally posted by DeViL


Obviously you're not one of those mods carnut, I don't see anyone banned yet. Later.

I only give what I can take, man...

:argue: <---It's all just a part of human life. Haha I sort of enjoy argueing now.

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


Well...(at the risk of sounding like the people I'm moderating)...if you are so enlightened, why don't you apply to be a mod and show us intellectually encumbered types how it's done. But then again, from the sound of your post above, you sound pretty disillusioned about what authority is all about. Have you ever been in a position of authority? Based on your statements, I say no, but if I'm wrong, I apologize in advance. Oh, and shift lead at McDonalds doesn't count...(inflammatory, but satisfying).


Okay, so i will stoop down to your level again. First of all is this moderator thing just some power trip for you? Wake up! At your regular job at Mcdonalds you have more power then you do here. Even though you just mop floors. Ohh please let me be a moderator one day, oh please. So, I can strut around and pertend Im Barney Fife and patrol for any one who does not agree with me. By the way, explain for me from my previous post, what I said to give you the opinion that I have a problem with authority. Can you do that? I doubt it.

]Originally posted by 94svt5.0
By the way, explain for me from my previous post, what I said to give you the opinion that I have a problem with authority. Can you do that? I doubt it.

[quote]Originally posted by carrrnuttt
you sound pretty disillusioned about what authority is all about


:rolleyes: He said you sound disillusioned, he never said anything about you seeming to have a problem with authority, learn to read.

Originally posted by Melt



:rolleyes: He said you sound disillusioned, he never said anything about you seeming to have a problem with authority, learn to read.

Excuse me, I meant disillusioned. So, look at my post I was refering to and point out to me what makes me "disillusioned"
Good job melt, you the man. Could you teach me how to read good like you?

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by carrrnuttt
:rolleyes:

Whats that supposed to mean?

Originally posted by Melt


Whats that supposed to mean?


It means he has nothing to say. So, lets take it from here, and be nice.

naa, if hes got nothing to say he shouldnt say nothing. This thread is 6 deep, we gotta wait and see what S2's gotta say about this.

Originally posted by Melt
naa, if hes got nothing to say he shouldnt say nothing. This thread is 6 deep, we gotta wait and see what S2's gotta say about this.

:rolleyes: means that I'm done with the topic, the discussion, argument whatever you call it. I leave you to take whatever action you want to take. I gave you admin's addy, feel free to use it however you see fit. You can take my reticence and interpret it anyway you want, because I JUST DON'T CARE. What I DO care about is this forum, since I was asked by admin to care about it. I was trying to explain myself because you two instigators might make it that much harder to moderate around here in the future. Now, SVT seems to be understanding where I am going with my last post...Melt, let me ask you...what the FUCK do you want from me? This is why I do not post races too much anymore, I'd rather stay in the background and concentrate on keeping an eye on the posts and the post-ers. If you want me gone, talking to me doesn't help...contact admin. If you want an apology for something...hold your breath. If you want to make a point, why instigate? Do you really need my remarks to prod you on? You obviously made up your mind about me, why waste bandwidth? Make your point and move on. I understand it was you and somebody else who called me childish...I remember an old quote about a teapot and a kettle...

Well I had to get a new screen name and start back fresh because the people at AF don't really know what they're doing and are YET to give me a new password... Which I've been waiting for for about 5 days now.

carrrrnut... being biased is being biased regardless of whether you were a moderator before or not.

I didn't get the pm someone sent me because of AF's lousy profile system. You don't get to pick your own password which is really lame.

You're a moderator, and I am a moderator at a Corolla site... Even though I'm the proud owner of a Celica GTS now, I still follow the Corolla Community closely.

When people start arguing I don't :rolleyes: at their comments or take sides because of "previous incidents". yeah we argued before and the administrators liked how you handled the situation as a regular user, but they way you are supposed to handle the situation as a MODERATOR is different. Yeah, maybe you don't post race stories but you still come in and throw low blows at people when shit hits the fan. Turn the fan off, carrrnut, don't throw more shit at it.

And honestly, letting this dispute carry further, which has drifted very far from the original topic, is a mistake that you are making AS a moderator.

So S2 lemme get this straight

You have

Celica GTS
2001 Integra GS-R

Do you still have the corolla?

Also carrrnuttt, I dont want anything, I dont care if you are a moderator or not because you DONT moderate, as far as I am concerned you are a regular member. If you dont care about what we think, leave, why post in this thread anymore?

I will be replying to these particular comments I quoted with quotes of my own from my last post...apparently, reading, or maybe understanding, is not a strong suit to some people...

Originally posted by S2CorollaR
When people start arguing I don't :rolleyes: at their comments or take sides because of "previous incidents".

Originally posted by carrrnuttt
:rolleyes: means that I'm done with the topic, the discussion, argument whatever you call it. I leave you to take whatever action you want to take. I gave you admin's addy, feel free to use it however you see fit.

There are also many more ways :rolleyes: can be used in a any normal post. Please do not give me that act that you are very polite in YOUR forum. All anybody has to do is look at the archives to see what kind of ass you presented youreslf to be when you first entered this forum. Does that mean your just an ass because you don't really care about this place? I thought you liked Hondas?

Originally posted by Melt
If you dont care about what we think, leave, why post in this thread anymore?

Originally posted by carrrnuttt
I was trying to explain myself because you two instigators might make it that much harder to moderate around here in the future.

I know I am contradicting myself by even posting this, but you will just not let this die. I cannot win apparently. If I close this thread, it will be me abusing my power. But then again, if I do, I'm just moderating, aren't I? I choose to let you close yourself. If you can't, I will show that, in fact I AM a moderator, and close you PERMANENTLY. I will not let you act like you can say anything to anyone in here. Go to the off-topic forum. I don't go in there anymore, so you can lambast me all you want, and I couldn't care less. I choose to show all this here, instead of sending you a PM, because I have nothing to hide. I make my thoughts(and biases) known to everybody, so everybody will feel open to communicate with me. You Melt, to me just act like a less profane version of JuanPacoDelTaco, and instead of hating everybody, you seem to have latched on to me, when it wasn't even your argument to begin with, you just jumped on the wagon, so to speak.

Goodnight.

If you can't, I will show that, in fact I AM a moderator, and close you PERMANENTLY. Ok, Im gonna shut up now and let S2 fight his own battle, cause you kinda are right, I sort of did jump on the wagon.

I dont know anything about any wagon, but I am going to call things Like I see them. Regardless of whose "battle" it is. Its just this thread reached the point were there was no new information being introduced. Just a rehash, repeat and rephraseing of what was already said. So, I say step aside there.

the LS motor can produce that much horsepower... if you destroke it it'll be making as much as an Si. one of my cousins destroked one from a 1.8L to a 1.6 and he gave it a dyno test which came out to be 158HP.

he can run low 13s with it plus other mods like, 50 shot NOS, headers, intake, and exhaust. meaning its still stock internally.

LS/Vtec would be a pretty cool setup. Would someone lock this thread? Its old, horribly drifted from origional topic, and no longer even an issue

Originally posted by Melt
Would someone lock this thread? Its old, horribly drifted from origional topic, and no longer even an issue

Since you asked nicely...