Ok..all P11 owners...KONI does NOT sell shocks for the P11, you can mix and match KYB front P10 shocks with KONI rear Maxima shocks if you like...but why when there's the TEINs that's available for pretty much the same price for springs/shocks and you get real, balanced performacne out of it?
so this post is just to clear up some confusions about the shocks.
As far as i know, no one in the US makes shocks specificaly for the P11 G20 yet. (GAB used to, not anymore)

an error on my part..bilstein does make shocks....i ordered some before, but they were taking FOREVER to get...so the customer eventually cancelled and got the GABs from me...when it was still available

Originally posted by G22DET
Ok..all P11 owners...KONI does NOT sell shocks for the P11, you can mix and match KYB front P10 shocks with KONI rear Maxima shocks if you like...but why when there's the TEINs that's available for pretty much the same price for springs/shocks and you get real, balanced performacne out of it?

Sorry Luke, but you are wrong. Koni does indeed make dampers for the P11. I know someone in SoCal who has had them on his P11 for over a year. And, they are not dampers from another application that just happened to fit. They are specifically for the P11.

The catalog is taking forever to download this morning.

<http://www.koni-na.com/catalog.html>;

As for why Koni?.... IMHO they are the best producer of dampers in the world. My limited experience with them says they have slightly less bounce damping and slightly more rebound damping than Japanese dampers. IMHO, this provides a smoother ride since the initial bump isn't quite so bad and neither is the rebound afterwards.

My original plan was to get Konis for my G20, but I got a sweetheart deal on a set of barely used AGX. I still want to eventually get some though. Mine will be double adjustable race dampers though. I already have the rear figured out and just need to figure out the front.

My Sentra SE-R will definitely get a set of double adjustable race dampers since we are already working out the set-up for our ITS SE-R race car.

P10s can either use European market front dampers specifically made for the P10 or use the P11 fronts. For the rear, I'm almost 100% certain that Sentra inserts will work.

Koni DOES make them for P11's!!!

If you talk to someone from Koni-NA they will tell you they do not make G20 P11 struts, which is true.


Koni only offers them in Europe for the P11 because the rear suspension is not the same as ours.


I had ordered the full P11 set and was only able to use the fronts. The rear strut was not long enough to safely put the upper mounts on. After talking to Henry cause I noticed on his site that he was using Koni's too, he put me in contact with Jason from Velocity Resources who told me to use the 95 Maxima struts for the rear.

I did that no problem, but found the Konis a bit stiff and its a damn PAIN to have "adjustable dampers" that cant be adjusted after they are mounted!!

In comes the Teins :p

brian, could you tell a bit more about the differences in suspension USDM P11 vs. EUR P11?

not sure the specifics, maybe Henry can get the details from Jason @ Velocity Resources who is the guy that actually worked with Koni to find a solution for the US spec cars...


i can tell you this though...


with the rear Koni struts I was not able to put the upper mounts on even with the spring fully compressed. the nut just barely missed the shaft. even if i could have gotten it on (using an air impact gun) there would be no movement!! the springs coils were almost completely compressed together.

at this point I stopped and started scratching my head cause i though the kit would be a direct swap. maybe problem i had was do to the fact that i was using GC's which come with a new upper mount, however the front fit perfect.

Henry ( http://1phatg.innernot.com ) told me to call Jason @VR and he told me how they worked with Koni and came up with using the 95 Nissan Maxima rear struts w/o any modifications. I tried this and it fit perfect...

Konis also make application for P10 in the Europe and Asia market. One of my friend in Thailand has found out about it. And I am going to try to get a set and see if it fit right on the USDM P10.

I will keep you guys posted.

i'm sorry to add/rehash on this old subject, but i'm not sure if i asked this before but...can just the regular g20 lowering springs fit the rear of the 95 maxima struts or does this apply only to the GC's??? thanx.

not sure, as I've never tried the Koni's with anything but GC's

just make it easy for yourselves....just get the TEIN's. they're great. no noise, no fuss, just a easy perfect fit each time.:p :p :p Koni can't even measure right... tell you the quality level of their product. ( j/k j/k) :D :D :D

Originally posted by Nismoboy1
i'm sorry to add/rehash on this old subject, but i'm not sure if i asked this before but...can just the regular g20 lowering springs fit the rear of the 95 maxima struts or does this apply only to the GC's??? thanx.

John.....

Send me an email <geo3@earthlink.net>

I'll put you in touch with the guy who has Konis on his P11.

I don't want to start a pissing contest about Koni vs Tein. OTOH, Koni has been involved with the highest and lowest levels of motorsports since before many of you ever had the chance to soil your drawers. :D

I have to admit I've never ridden in a car with Tein's. I blew it. I should have ridden in Jason's car at Salt Fest. Next year. :)

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Okay kids, I have had Primera P11 adjustable Konis with Maxima adjustable rear Konis for almost a year now. They are on full stiff with one turn back for good measure. True, you cannot adjust them without taking the whole fahking thing apart but it rides well. The Ground Controls are nonsense as to adjust the rfont you will find yourself removing the wheel, jacking the car all the way up, and bending yourself into odd contortions to rasie/lower it. The rear is easier but removal of the wheel is necessary nonetheless. Then there is the matter of the horrible "Ground Control' noise. *clack clak thunk* If your intent is to lower the balls out of the car, go for it, but be forewarned that bad things may happen. I am not knocking GC or Koni, they make a great product, but if you have the $1100 plus to spare, get the Teins if you can.

My .11 cents

PrimeraGT

Originally posted by PrimeraGT
Then there is the matter of the horrible "Ground Control' noise. *clack clak thunk*

To eliminate the thunk, wrap the damper with duct tape until the collar barely slides over the tape. Then smear the tape with RTV, slide the collar over the tape/RTV. Once the collar is down, run some RTV around the top to seal it.

It sounds ghetto (hey, it is ghetto), but it works great. My GCs are quieter than my OEM springs were. :D

BTW, Tein also participates in a wide variety of races in Japan...from circuit to rally. and they've been doing that for a very long time.
well, i have the 2001 Koni catalog sitting right here...no applications for the P11, so i am just translating what is being said in the catalog to you guys.

Originally posted by G22DET
BTW, Tein also participates in a wide variety of races in Japan...from circuit to rally. and they've been doing that for a very long time.
well, i have the 2001 Koni catalog sitting right here...no applications for the P11, so i am just translating what is being said in the catalog to you guys.

Wow, that's weird Luke. I know they are available because I know someone who has them.

If anyone is interested in Konis, I can get the part numbers.

I met the KONI rep at NOPI last year, they brought in a limited amount of Primera struts thinking they would fit but found out they didn't on a car they tested so new brought any more over. They do exist though, Jason Duty at Velocity Resources did all the legwork including having Ground Control make a set of coilovers for that application, no B.S., simply stated fact, I can take pics if you want. LOL Jason is 407-464-4680, tell him you know me from the forum and I referred you over. Please don't call to haggle and ask him stupid questions because it has heppened before. :)

Henry

dudes, just go with the TEIN's. saves your hard work.

to rid the spring chatter, go to a stereo dealer or radioshack and get some wirewraps that are made out of 3mm or so thick plastic/rubber. it wraps around the coils perfectly. use on evey other coil. should rid the problem. usually happens to a lot of progressive lowering springs.

again, I can't emphasize enough that my TEIN's don't make any noise, ride is smooth and dropped the car about 45mm.

yah, can't change height so easily on the front on these P11's because of that arm.

kenchan I got my new alloys today 17" 215/40, and i aint lowering my car are you going to laugh at me?


:licker:

Wow, that's weird Luke. I know they are available because I know someone who has them.

it might be weird George, however, that's what the 2001 catalog stated...no applications for P11...not even for P10s. don't believe me i can mail you a copy of the catalog if you like ;)

yeh, most definitely. post a pict. chuckle chuckle chuckle;)

Originally posted by G22DET


it might be weird George, however, that's what the 2001 catalog stated...no applications for P11...not even for P10s. don't believe me i can mail you a copy of the catalog if you like ;)

Yep. I understand.

Anyway, my point is that indeed there are P11 Konis out there. Don McLaurin in SoCal has had his for over a year. I know he didn't get them from overseas either.

Kenchan wait till you see it, you can eat your words boyo.:finger:

oh ya? maybe you'll change my mind. (highly DOUBT it) bring it on!!! :D :silly2:

Can you believe it, unpacked my alloys and I discovered deep scores/scraches on one spoke of each wheel! (caused when they fit the tyres to the wheel) Phoned the guy at the shop and I will be getting my replacement set on Monday. Ill post the pics on monday.

Kenchan can I please see a pic of your car m8?:bandit:

Neil

damn, sucks dude. hope you get your replacement soon. :(

yah, let me see if I can find that pict for you which I posted here a few weeks back. it wasn't the best pict, but you can see that my g's been lowered. hang on.

Nice wheels:smoker2:

thanks bud. :D

I like that blue Kenchan.. I assume that that is a 2001?? Also are you able to lower it more than what it is currently at? That is my only concern with the Teins.. I get more lowering with my GC's...

Originally posted by PrimeraGT
I like that blue Kenchan.. I assume that that is a 2001?? Also are you able to lower it more than what it is currently at? That is my only concern with the Teins.. I get more lowering with my GC's...

Dude, do what you want, but I think if you go lower than that, you're too low. You run out of suspension travel.

Harsh ride, crappy handling with too little suspension travel.

Don't forget he shows his car quite activally. Maybe he wants to drop it to the weeds for shows? Teins would be a bad choice for that. GC would be way better.

Originally posted by G-Forces
Don't forget he shows his car quite activally. Maybe he wants to drop it to the weeds for shows? Teins would be a bad choice for that. GC would be way better.

Ahhh.

IC.

Yes, the GCs would be better for slammin. :D

Yes, its weed whacking for us show boys. and i have more than show mods thank you.. LOL I got my HID lights in today.. soon as we figure out how to read Japanese we will get them in!!

thanks, dats a 2001. :D I can lower it another 8mm if I use the lowest height setting and use medium rate springs...but or me, it's low enough. hehehe. :D if you wanna slam it that low, cut your stock springs and get some stiff shocks..????:confused:

mine's just a daily commuter ..in StYle! :p

wat? can't read japanese? ‚È‚ñ‚Å�H

oh no, my GC are fine, actually i am too low, raising it up this weeked actually.

cool. btw, I know tokico hasn't made any aftermarket for P11's, but they seem to make the stock shocks on the I30. My pops drives the 01 I30 and it feels very smooth and firm (nice ride). are tokico shocks usually considered a 'soft' ride or more of a 'stiff' ride on aftermarket shocks? thanx :D

oh, I ask this because I'm lookin' for a real cheapway to lower my civic HB... sport springs + non-adjustable tokico's. and get some cheap cool wheels. (lowering and inching up it the right way)

Originally posted by P10DET


To eliminate the thunk, wrap the damper with duct tape until the collar barely slides over the tape. Then smear the tape with RTV, slide the collar over the tape/RTV. Once the collar is down, run some RTV around the top to seal it.

It sounds ghetto (hey, it is ghetto), but it works great. My GCs are quieter than my OEM springs were. :D



what is rtv:confused: