Anyone that has said this tire is good is a LIAR! I just got my 12-lb Rota's put on with these tires. I figured they would handle much better, since they widened the stance of my car and have an aggressive omni-directional tread. My car gets into a 4-wheel drift without effort now, thanks to the shit-rubber Kuhmo makes.

I've almost killed myself twice because they can't do anything near what my stock Mischelin XGT v4's could do. Spend the extra money and get a better tire! I wish I would have gotten the Falken Azeins, but Discount Tire was 3-months on back-order for them.

The Wheel: Rota Curcut-8 15"x6.5" Black
The Tire: Kuhmo Ectesa Supra 712 205/50/15
The Suspension: Skunk2 Coilovers, Stock Si Shocks, Skunk2 Front Camber Kit, Bolt/Washer Rear camber kit.

Whoa! That's strange since those tires have a pretty good rep. Anyone else have problems with them? I've been using Falken Azeins on my 16 inchers for over a year now and no problems. Tread wear is great, traction is great even in rain, etc.

never had any problems with my 205/40-17 kumho 712s....

i've had khumos on my gsr, my prelude, and now my si and i have never had a problem in them .. in fact i can rip 120 in the rain up in maine... and not slip..

Let me ask a dumb question, were the tires installed on the right wheels? Like front right in the correct location -- front left etc? If you had the wheels all flip-flop that might be your problem right there!

But this is why I bought Pirelli P700's instead of "Cum Hoes" :finger:

I'm sort of having the same feelings as you are.

When i am taking a quick turn, I am always hearing my Kumho's screeching. However, my old tires ( Nitto 555 extreme) never had a squeal. They were great, except for the road noise. However, next time I need to buy tires, I'm going back to my Nittos.

I know some people say, they are good tires for the price, but I don't mind spending a couple more for better gripping tires.

Maybe, it just depends on what car you have, and your suspension setup.

My .02 cents

Originally posted by dnt94civic
I'm sort of having the same feelings as you are.

When i am taking a quick turn, I am always hearing my Kumho's screeching. However, my old tires ( Nitto 555 extreme) never had a squeal. They were great, except for the road noise. However, next time I need to buy tires, I'm going back to my Nittos.

I know some people say, they are good tires for the price, but I don't mind spending a couple more for better gripping tires.

Maybe, it just depends on what car you have, and your suspension setup.

My .02 cents YOOOOoooo where the heck you been man? You ever get that white OEM bumper you were looking for?

Yes, the NT555's are great tires, much better than Kuhmo shit. Anyone that enjoys the feel of Kuhmo's has never owned a great tire.

Sorry to say, but anyone that buy's Kuhmo's is buying because of their reputation, and has never ridden in a car with them. Don't waste your money! I repeat,

DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY!

Buy a good tire, something with a soft-compound and a higher contact-patch. I suggest Yokohama A520's, Bridgestone Potenza S-03's, Nitto NT555(r), and a few others.

i don't believe its the kuhmo tire, i'm guessing its the driver. just like how kuhmo made a good rep for themself. kali drivers are known for driving crazy. i abuse my hb to the fullest with the kuhmo on my car and believe me, it's same feeling like as if you were rolling on pirelli, michelin or any other name brand tires.

I've never had a problem with my 3 sets of Kumho 712s. What air pressure are you using? What size did you get? They are directional you know?

I've been using these for autocross and daily driving for the past 2 years and they are a good tire for the money. I grabbed 2nd place in the region last year autocrossing, and 3rd place at PA State Championships.

I'm using Falken Azenis now for autocross and the Kumho 712s for street driving and no problems that you mention.

What's your setup?

Originally posted by sparq

But this is why I bought Pirelli P700's instead of "Cum Hoes" :finger:

ohhh you're funny sparq, you're a comedian

DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY!

please quit saying this. this is a forum. we state our opinions to help others out. you should say "i dont think you should waste your money on these", now some newbie is going to read this and think these are horrible tires because they have nothing else to believe, when obviously they are not bad tires due to 5 good replies about them as opposed to 3 bad replies about them. and one of the good replies is from someone more experienced than alot of us and who actually uses the tires for what they're made for

I have Kumho 712s in 205/50-15. Yeah, they don't grip as well as my old Yokohama a520s, and probably not as well as the Potenza S-03s. They also don't cost nearly as much either. Considering how much they cost, however, I have no problems with the grip.

Heh, ironically, I've yet to use a Nitto tire with decent grip. They always seem to lose traction considerably sooner than my Kumhos.

Originally posted by CivicSiRacer
I've never had a problem with my 3 sets of Kumho 712s. What air pressure are you using? What size did you get? They are directional you know?

I've been using these for autocross and daily driving for the past 2 years and they are a good tire for the money. I grabbed 2nd place in the region last year autocrossing, and 3rd place at PA State Championships.

I'm using Falken Azenis now for autocross and the Kumho 712s for street driving and no problems that you mention.

What's your setup?

hey man you say you used these for 2 years about how long do they last you?

Originally posted by onesojourner


hey man you say you used these for 2 years about how long do they last you?

I had my first set shaved 10,000 miles and they lasted 10K street miles before becoming bald. I had they on another set of wheels and sold those, and now I'm on my 3rd set (not shaved) for daily street use.

Running a tire for street use, and autocross/race is TOTALLY differant... autocross can eat through tires faster then Oprah Winfrey can eat a box of doughnuts :finger:

Ive got Kuhmos on 15" slipstreams, with the suspension setup below. I have absolutely no problems, and at the very least they are an upgrade from the stock Dunlops or whatever. Im just using the car on the street, so its usually pretty difficult to find a situation to go into a 4 wheel drift.

Anyway, so far so good, and I still need an alignment! :D

Originally posted by Si2000 Vtec
Anyone that has said this tire is good is a LIAR! I just got my 12-lb Rota's put on with these tires. I figured they would handle much better, since they widened the stance of my car and have an aggressive omni-directional tread. My car gets into a 4-wheel drift without effort now, thanks to the shit-rubber Kuhmo makes.

I've almost killed myself twice because they can't do anything near what my stock Mischelin XGT v4's could do. Spend the extra money and get a better tire! I wish I would have gotten the Falken Azeins, but Discount Tire was 3-months on back-order for them.

The Wheel: Rota Curcut-8 15"x6.5" Black
The Tire: Kuhmo Ectesa Supra 712 205/50/15
The Suspension: Skunk2 Coilovers, Stock Si Shocks, Skunk2 Front Camber Kit, Bolt/Washer Rear camber kit.

I find that quite hard to believe. Maybe it's just since I went from stock wheels to performance/wider wheels, but I recently got a set of silver Rota Circuit 8's (was supposed to get Konig Heliums originally, but the damn things were on back order for 8 WEEKS from America's Tire co.) so I got the Rota's instead, excellent wheels. But anyways I got them wrapped in a set of Kumho Ecsta 711's. Maybe it's since they aren't the 712's you have, but I have nothing but positive things to say about these tires. They grip VERY well for what they cost ($28/tire on sale!) and I haven't gotten them to make a single sound when wornering hard, and they haven't yet broken loose on me either. They do follow the lines in the road very precisely which is a little unresting at forst, but I'm used to it now. And when above 80mph, maybe it's the lighter wheels, but the tires seem to feel like they are flaoting, if you will, on the ground. I guess kinda like drifting, but that's not really what it is, it could just be them tracking the lines in the road. And in wet weather, they handle nicely as well.

rockerdude: the driver you say? heh, funny moron.

So back to my previous statement: if you think 712's are a good tire, you've never owned a good street tire!!!

CivicSiRacer: I know you're quite acclaimed in the autocross arena, but have you actually owned a different tire for street use? Perhapse a A520? My hatchback with stock suspension besides 'Skunkworks' coilovers gripped 200% better with A520's than my Si with a very decent suspension and these Kuhmo tires.

All other morons including Sparq: Yes, I had them mounted and balanced at Discount Tire. I double-checked everything when they were done, tire pressure, lug-nut-torque, tire direction, everything...

Back to CivicSiRacer: My setup is listed above in my first post for this thread.

1993HondaCivic: Have you ever owned 712's? If so, have you ever owned a different tire to compare them to? You "Children" think you have a lot of experience with this stuff, but you have to be in the import scene, driven a lot of cars with different setups, and talk to vendors and people that actually know what they are talking about before you can base an honest, true opinion. You seem like the type to throw some "Altezzas" on your car and some sweet... sweet chrome wheels and call your car "Ti-ight" And you're right, this is a forum, and that's why I'm telling you that these tires are over-rated and you can get something much better for the same price, such as Falken Azenis.

Piscorpio: Have you ever owned a different agressive street tire? I assume not.

Kaneto: Thank god someone has the 712's and has owned a different aggressive tire to compare them to. What you were saying about the Nitto tires... I believe you are speaking about anything but the NT555(r)'s because those are awesome tires, the NT450's, NT505's, and anything else are garbage!

Well I'm done bitching for now. Just understand I'm not here to be an ass, I'm here to help you people. I don't make this shit up, I've driven a hell of a lot of different cars with a hell of a lot of different tires. My buddy's DelSol VTEC with General XP2000's actually grip better than these peice of shit Kuhmo tires. It's not all a lie. It's the truth.

Like I say and everyone here will agree with, different setups do different things for different people. One set up may make the same tire perform different from one car to another. Just keep that in mind. The 712's may not work out well for you, but for people like CivicSiRacer who uses them as his choice for auto-x, they work wonders. It's all on how you drive them, what you do with them, and what kind of set up you have them working on.

Not to be an ass, but think about your theory. If you can manage to make 712's handle well through suspension tuning and camber adjustment, think of what the same car will do with a set of Falken Azenis. It's not like there is a magic tuning number just for the 712's, its the same basic suspension tuning for every tire!

Since CivicSiRacer likes the tires, its hard for me to put up an argument. If you don't mind me asking CivicSiRacer, have you ever owned a different street tire besides the Azenis and the 712's? If so, what was the tire? Be honest...

I have a very decent suspension setup with camber adjusted according to tire-life and vehicle agility. These tires *DO NOT* handle anything near any tire I've owned in the past, except my stock Civic DX tires that were on my Hatchback. That's the only thing comparable.

And to rest my case, look at the link below.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/ecsta.jsp

Scroll to the bottom of the page and look at the performance difference of these three tires. Not one category did the 712 exceed the A520 in performance. They are nearly the same price at Discount Tire...

The whole point of my post was to tell you these tires are driven by people that bought them because they heard they were good tires. For gods sake, buy an A520, NT555, or a f**king General XP2000-POS tire... their all better than Kuhmo Ectesa Supra 712's!!

Originally posted by Si2000 Vtec
All other morons including Sparq: Yes, I had them mounted and balanced at Discount Tire. I double-checked everything when they were done, tire pressure, lug-nut-torque, tire direction, everything...
EXCUSE ME? You are calling me a moron for simply asking if the tires were lined up in the right direction? Dude you need to take that stick out of your ass. I could have been rude and said something along the lines of "Dude youre a f*cking retarded crack pot put the wheels on the correct sides" but of course I didnt and I do not appreciate being called a moron for asking a perfectly logical question :finger4:

Woa there Sparky... it'll be okay... take a deep deep breath and realize I was being a sarcastic ass. Sorry bro, didn't mean to offend you.

Back to the topic... I searched around some more within that web site. The A520 beat every tire they compared it to... Makes me miss my A520 :(

Originally posted by Si2000 Vtec
Woa there Sparky... it'll be okay... take a deep deep breath and realize I was being a sarcastic ass. Sorry bro, didn't mean to offend you.

Back to the topic... I searched around some more within that web site. The A520 beat every tire they compared it to... Makes me miss my A520 :( Oh go suck on a golf ball :finger:

You know you bitch about "people only buy these tires because other people tell them to" well guess what, thats the reason you bought em so I guess youre the only jackass here :devil:

Heh, you're right, I am the jack-hole... :rolleyes:

I had to buy some sort of rubber since the Azeins were 3-months back order through discount tire... I went with the Cum-Hoes because everyone on this forum swore up and down that they were good tires.

That's the whole point of this post. Like I said, I don't make this stuff up. I posted this without any proof, and in a matter of seconds, I found multiple articles showing the 712's are not good tires compared to the competition.

I'm being serious when I say I've nearly killed myself twice. I know the limitations of my vehicle well and I drive it hard. When I got the new rubber on, I expected at least stock-performance.

Please, Please buy good rubber... It's not only a performance issue, but a safety issue. Corners I could take at 55-mph can only be taken at 50-mph with these tires... to anyone that knows a god damn thing about racing, that's one hell of a hole-shot difference.

I miss my Pirelli's ... StOcK 2001 EX sTeElIeS OwNz me! :finger:

ok dood, if u have all this access to information saying how much the tires suck, THEN WHY DID U BUY THEM? Dont call other people an ass, if you cant validate your own non-ass status.

i agree the sparq, get pirelli's. notice how they are only on hi-po european cars such as porsche and ferarri? my uncle had a set of falkens oh his car (the car is irrelevant0 and he hated them. yes it was shit, so i told him to get some pirelli's (i think p5000) ad they are an absolute dream. the car is way gripper than ever. stick with pirelli. it may be expensive, but its damn sure worth it

Originally posted by Si2000 Vtec
Heh, you're right, I am the jack-hole... :rolleyes:

I'm being serious when I say I've nearly killed myself twice. I know the limitations of my vehicle well and I drive it hard. When I got the new rubber on, I expected at least stock-performance.


And so were the people that swore by them. I mean seriously, you got them from Discount Tire Direct, you should know their policy, if you don't like them, send them back, you have 3 days, return them for a set of A520's and quite bitching out people that argue angaist your rational of Kumhos. It's dead issue, not a safety one, no one that has responded to this post (or that I know of in general) has ever almost killed them selves even once just because they say the tires suck, the tire didn't suck, they were just doing some stupid shit and pushing their car harder than it should have been pushed. Also keep in mind that through the process of manufacturing, (this is quite common with computer parts) there is a certain percentage of inventory that comes off the line defective, and a certain precentage of those make it into the public arena. Perhaps maybe email Kumho with your concerns of this issue, and maybe they will refund you IN FULL for your tires. I have a feeling if you weren't in fact being stupid with you car while pushing it, then next thing it possibly could be, was that you got a defective set of tires.

Originally posted by Si2000 Vtec
[BI'm being serious when I say I've nearly killed myself twice. I know the limitations of my vehicle well and I drive it hard. When I got the new rubber on, I expected at least stock-performance.
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Like I mentioned before, I have Kumho 711's (quite a different tread pattern, but still Kumhos) and they are nothing but good tires for me thus far since I've had them. I have pushed them harder than I ever pushed my stock tires, and they bite quite nicely, I'm almost certain that they would hold through even harder pushing, but I'm not sure if my car itse;f would handle it, and cause the tires to break loose traction wise.

My suspension setup right now is as follows:
Neuspeed 4-point upper front strut bar
Arospeed rear lower tie bar
OEM Civic Si 13mm rear sway bar (I have a DX coupe remember)
and stock struts and springs all the way around

Not the best set up indeed, but it's a bit stiffer than it was stock, and getting bigger/wider tires helped stablize it even moreso, I'm quite happy with how it handles right now. :cool:

This one time I died while driving in a car with "Cum Hoes" :o

Okay... you're not listening... I'm not here to argue, I'm here to try and inform you of the research and data I have found. Dispite what you think and what you say, you're wrong. Pull your head out of your ass and realize because you have your little "Moderator" tag under your name doesn't mean you're all-knowing.

It's not like I'm trying to say that anyone that goes and buys Kuhmo's is a moron, I am INFORMING the people in this forum that the hype about these tires is all hype, and the tires don't back up the performance.

For gods sake, read the reviews from the link I posted. Of that category, the Ectsa 712 is like the worst performing tire.

BTW SilverY2KCivic, have you ever owned a different set of performance tires to compare them to? Probably not.

And shortfuz, do yourself a favor and don't talk... just don't bother opening your mouth... Thanks. Actually, for you, I highly suggest Kuhmo tires, their excellent. Go get a set. :finger:

Originally posted by Si2000 Vtec

Piscorpio: Have you ever owned a different agressive street tire? I assume not.



No I have not, but I never said anything about owning another aggressive street tire. I only said, I have no problems with them, and they are at the very least, an upgrade over the stock tires I had on.

I am taking into account what you have said, and I believe you when you say they are not the best performance street tire available. However, your original post insinuates that these tires are dangerous and unfit for use on the street. The key word is street, I have never auto crossed or even so much as drag raced, only normal street driving. Maybe you were just overly pissed off, or I just misread your comments, but I just dont feel that I am in danger when riding on these tires. Again, I know they aren't the best, but they will do for me right now. I can almost guarantee you, when it comes time to buy new tires, I will be looking into some of the tires you suggested, particularly the Azenis.

well, since we are on the subject of tires here and trying to validate the suckyness of them, lets throw my set of tires into the mix and see how they compare. I've had 3 sets of tires. Duncans, which blew (quite literally), and two sets of LeMans. The LeMans seem to handle great, but I have nothing save the POS Duncans to compare them to. I can get the specifics off my tires but how do the LeMans in general hold up to the competition? They only cost $123 for a pair of 14" ers.

Just curious.

My god... a reasonable person! The reason I was asking if you had used a different performance tire in the past was to prove my point. I wasn't being an ass, I was just pointing out that most people that think the tires are decent have never owned a different aggressive street tire. Anyway, thanks for being reasonable.

The reason I am giving this warning is because I know I'm not the only one that drives my car hard. When I threw these tires on, like I said, I was expecting an improvement over stock. I couldn't take corners as fast as I used to be able to, by an extremely marginable amount. This could be dangerous, as it was to me. I've been into 2 4-wheel-drifts since I've had these tires, whereas if I were still rollin' my stock si wheels and tires, it wouldn't have happened.

I'm glad you're going to consider a different tire next time around. Azeins were my first choice, but like I said, they were on major back-order through discount tire. The problem with many performance tires is they aren't made in some of the common street size, such as the A520 not being available in 205/50/15.

Anyway, people>> Please don't get offensive toward me, I'm here to inform you what I have found. Think of it this way: Say "Greddy" came out with a new street-turbo system that was totally hyped up in the import community. Everyone was buying them and thought they were pretty decent. Then someone comes along and finds the facts and tells you that the turbo system is only making 25whp, and has a life-span of a year. I'm sure you would hesitate to buy that turbo system, correct? That's all I'm doing here, I'm telling you what I have found, and I am backing up my findings with articles and proof. Be reasonable, like piscorpio.

I still say Pirelli OwNz j00!

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/yoko_avs_db.jsp

Originally posted by sparq
I still say Pirelli OwNz j00!w3rd :coolguy: nothing beats pirelli, maybe your mum does :finger:

Si2000Vtec--No offense, but if you don't like the tires so much, please do me a favor, I will be more than happy to take them from you and I will pay you for the shipping as soon as you take them off your wheels. :D

I personally don't give a fxxk about the rep on Kuhmo, but for the price of the tires, the quality is OK (of course it is not the best that I have used), and the tires are pretty predictable for me. That's all I have to say.:rolleyes:

Lemme ask something stupid that I didnt think of

205/40/17 Kumho 712's = $91 each

205/40/17 Yokahama A520 = $105 each


Only $56differance between the two -- why would you "take a chance" on a differant tire if its only $56? When you KNEW the quality of the 520... I dunno, just trying to bust your chops some more so dont take it personal :p

Sparq--I am not trying to pick a fight or something $56 X 4 = $224 + Tax, I personally think $224 is a pretty considerable amount of money.

my bad I wasn't paying attention on the amount for the tires, I didn't know $56 was the total. Anyway, you guys need to stop arguing already.

Hehehe, yeah it was $56 for the set of 4... yes $56 per tire would be a totally differant story! Sorry I didnt clarify :o

Originally posted by Si2000 Vtec
Okay... you're not listening... I'm not here to argue, I'm here to try and inform you of the research and data I have found. Dispite what you think and what you say, you're wrong. Pull your head out of your ass and realize because you have your little "Moderator" tag under your name doesn't mean you're all-knowing.

BTW SilverY2KCivic, have you ever owned a different set of performance tires to compare them to? Probably not.


No, I think YOU are not listening. Maybe you oughta pull your own head out of your ass and realize that no where in here (or anywhere for that matter) have I ever said I was "all knowing." :rolleyes:

I'm not just talking out of my ass with what I'm saying, I'm telling it like it is, and if you don't like it, tought shit, you bought the damn tires and refuse to do crap about it, you pay the price of whatever they do to you. Don't go and chew people out because they disagree with your opinion.

And for the record, owned a set of other hi-pro tires? No. Driven on other hi-pro tires, YES! I was selected by Bridgestone last spring to do a test drive on various new tires they released vs. competitor tires on a high speed slalam course, so I know what a good hi-pro tire is all about. Actually, the tires I prefered best, weren't even hi-pro, but all season rather, and performed JUST AS WELL as hi-pros, and I'm talking on WET pavement. You want this great tire I'm refering to, get a set of Potenza RE-950's. No seriously, I highly recommend them, they can turn a BMW 325i into a rainy weather roadracing machine. And they stick just as well 50% warn as they do brand new.

My only complaint about the 712s was the noise. They wore out really fast, too. They gripped better than my performance/all season Potenzas. I'm undecided about my next set of tires as of yet. Probably another set of potenzas if i can afford it, otherwise some a520s.

Originally posted by Si2000 Vtec

Kaneto: Thank god someone has the 712's and has owned a different aggressive tire to compare them to. What you were saying about the Nitto tires... I believe you are speaking about anything but the NT555(r)'s because those are awesome tires, the NT450's, NT505's, and anything else are garbage!


You're right, I am talking about the 450s and the 505s... and I've never tried the 555s. And yes, the 450 and 505s were crap. Perhaps I'll have to try the 555s sometime. First I'm going to try the Potenza S-03s, though.

As far as the Kumhos... I think everyones getting upset over nothing. It's just a tire for crying out loud.

Do I think the Kumhos are as good as my old a520s? Of course not. I wouldn't even have used them if they made the 520s in my size. However, do I think the Kumhos are utter crap? Absolutely not. Compared to the vast majority or tires out there... the Kumhos are pretty good. Compared to more expensive, ultra-high performance, near- or at-competition level tires, yeah, they're not as good. That doesn't mean they're complete crap. They're a good tire that provides better performance than most of the tires you find out there, for not a lot of money.

If you don't like the Kumhos, spend the extra money and buy a better tire. I know I'll be getting better tires when it comes time to replace my Kumhos. I just don't think they have enough grip for my tastes.

If the Kumhos do it for you... then great. They're great performance for the price. Not everyone likes to push their car to the edge.

Just want to add... people should be able to express their opinions here. If a person tries a brand of tire and thinks they're crap, they should be able to post that here and let everyone know of his experiences. Likewise, if another person likes that particular brand of tire, he should also be able to post is opinion here. It should never degenerate into arguments. What we have is two people trying to help others by posting their experiences. Having the ability to say what things you like and don't like, without the risk of starting an argument or being called names.

When in doubt... just preface the opinion with "I think". That way nobody has any grounds to start and argument with you. Sure, they may offer experiences that counter yours... but it's still each individuals experiences and opinions. Not arguments.

Allowing people the freedom to post their experiences helps all of us in the long run.

k, that's enough of my 2am drunken ranting. :silly2:

Originally posted by sparq
YOOOOoooo where the heck you been man? You ever get that white OEM bumper you were looking for?

Hey Sparq,

Well, I didn't get the white one, instead I got a plain non-painted bumper with a free WW rs lip :D

Just need to paint it though.
I'm changing my look, and should be finished by the end of May hopefully. How are things going for you?

Has an alignment been done to the car since getting the new tires? I know that'll throw a bunch of shit out of whack.

Kumho has a good rep. If CivicSiRacer says they're good, I'll believe him.

I'm not a professional racer or anything but I wasn't a fan of the stock Michelin's on my Si.

I had NT450s and thought they were better than the stocks, little did i know that really they sucked.

The Ecsta's are the best tires I've driven on so far out of the three. I plan to move it up Yoko's or Potenza's when it's time for some new shoes though.

Tires are only as good as the suspension just like a car is only as good as the driver.

have a pair, seem to work just fine for the money. Probably will try something new next time, was wondering if the following cracks in the road though was just a trait of these kuhmos or other perfromance tires?

POS forum... I just got done writting a book and this stupid thing is like "Server Busy".

To sum it all up, it was like this:

Are these tires absolute crap? No.

Are there better tires for the money? Absolutely.

Am I talking out of my ass with all this info? No. There's data to back it up.

This post is totally out of hand. This is a forum where people with knowledge post for others so you can share your knowledge with them. I obviously didn't pull this review out of my ass. Look at the damn data. The 712 is like the worst tire in its class. I'm done posting on this thread. Some of you need to grow up and learn its okay if you're wrong once in a while.

Originally posted by Si2000 Vtec
POS forum... I just got done writting a book and this stupid thing is like "Server Busy".

To sum it all up, it was like this:

Are these tires absolute crap? No.

Are there better tires for the money? Absolutely.

Am I talking out of my ass with all this info? No. There's data to back it up.

This post is totally out of hand. This is a forum where people with knowledge post for others so you can share your knowledge with them. I obviously didn't pull this review out of my ass. Look at the damn data. The 712 is like the worst tire in its class. I'm done posting on this thread. Some of you need to grow up and learn its okay if you're wrong once in a while.

NO ONE here is wrong (except for those that chose to flame), everyone just has different opinions, no right or wrong opinion or "answer" to this thread topic. Sure some website might have them lowest rated in a test, but NO test is a match for the true real world out there. These tires work well for peoplethat have them, and not so well for others. The ones they work for, they don't almost killthemselves trying to do craxy things to push their car out of it's limits. I'm sure if pushed hard enough, I could get a set of Yoko A520's to almost kill me. But that's not the point. Your initial post of this thread is completely relivant, but don't flame people for disagreeing with you, you are only putting yourself into the sameboat you tried to put them in. Poeple ARE entitled to there opinions, so respect that if they disagree and don't go and throw out their Kumhos just because you think you know almost everything about these tires with data to back it up. I know stuff about these tires too, and that is they work perfectly fine for me, and what I need. And yes, I DO push them quite hard at times, and they stick to the road like glue on paper, no even remotely close calls with death with them on. ;)

Speaking of people that need to be reasonable and that need to grow up...

You're still missing the ENTIRE point of the post, but what can you expect from inexperienced people? :finger:

would a moderator please close this post, it is getting nowhere

Originally posted by Si2000 Vtec
Since CivicSiRacer likes the tires, its hard for me to put up an argument. If you don't mind me asking CivicSiRacer, have you ever owned a different street tire besides the Azenis and the 712's? If so, what was the tire? Be honest...


Yes I have owned several different tires in the past 7 years with my 2 Civics, 1 CRX Si, my wife's Jetta, and new Mazda Protege 5.

Toyo FZ4 (205/40x17")
Toyo T1S (205/40x17")
Kumho VictorRacers (195/55x14")
Michelin XGT V4s (195/55x15")
Pep Boys specials (on Jetta)
Yokohama A520s (215/40x16")
Kumho 712s (215/40x16")
Falken Azenis (215/45x16")
Falken Azenis (205/50x15")
Dunlop (on the Mazda)
Kumho 712s (215/40x16")
Kumho VictorRacers (205/50x15")

My favorite 5 street tires out of those in order of stickiness and comfort:
Falken Azenis (205/50x15")
Kumho 712 (215/40x16)
Dunlop (on wife's Mazda)
Yokohama A520s (loud as an airplane as they wore down)

Originally posted by Si2000 Vtec
POS forum... I just got done writting a book and this stupid thing is like "Server Busy".

To sum it all up, it was like this:

Are these tires absolute crap? No.

Are there better tires for the money? Absolutely.

Am I talking out of my ass with all this info? No. There's data to back it up.

This post is totally out of hand. This is a forum where people with knowledge post for others so you can share your knowledge with them. I obviously didn't pull this review out of my ass. Look at the damn data. The 712 is like the worst tire in its class. I'm done posting on this thread. Some of you need to grow up and learn its okay if you're wrong once in a while.

I think if you started out by stating this, there would be less arguing going on. The problem is, you used such strong words in the begining that you left the impression that these tires are absolute crap, and worse, unsafe for street use. I think this thread should best start from the last two posts, and everything before it is pretty much unecessary.

Originally posted by 1993HondaCivic
would a moderator please close this post, it is getting nowhere

yeah.. i was just gonna do that