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calebcoe
08-13-2005, 02:27 PM
The other day i was just driving as normal, and my blazer (92' 4.3 vortec, auto) seemed to just loose power, then it seemed like it wasnt getting fuel because it would chug and jerk. I drove it home and parked it, I have changed the spark plugs, distributor and cap, and fuel filter. When I start it up, it runs fine at idle, but when i go to drive it and increase the rpm's a bit, it does the choke out and chugging. I can hear the fuel pump when i turn the ignition, so im not sure if its that. It only seems to do it after it has been running for over a couple of minutes. Anyways, any help would be appreciated. Thanks

s10blazerman4x4
08-13-2005, 02:44 PM
checked for washing under vortech name plate.

calebcoe
08-13-2005, 03:04 PM
how do you mean by "washing"? Thanks

BlazerLT
08-13-2005, 03:08 PM
please search for CPI injector and nut kit.

This has been discussed many times.

calebcoe
08-13-2005, 06:56 PM
i did a search for cpi injector and nut kit but didnt get anything, and im still not sure what you mean by washing

gtboiii11
08-13-2005, 08:20 PM
well dont go cpi nut kit just yet, that seems to be his answer for everything, how loud is the pump when u start it and if you put the pedal to the floor when first driving what will happen?

BlazerLT
08-13-2005, 08:40 PM
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=309161&highlight=cpi+injector+washing

s10blazerman4x4
08-13-2005, 09:31 PM
Yeh but have you noticed that when he says that it is usually the problem.I have read enough threads with people having problems with there cpi nut kit to have some idea.So leave him alone its either that or vacuum which is a big problem in our rigs.

gtboiii11
08-14-2005, 03:24 PM
yea thats also the first thing he said to me and it was wrong so i dont need your 2 cents, im going with the fuel pump we will see who wins

s10blazerman4x4
08-14-2005, 04:27 PM
How do you know it was wrong?I did not know you were living with calebcoe?I never knew i gave you 2 cents i dont even have 2 cents to my name to give.

gtboiii11
08-14-2005, 04:36 PM
read what i said you interpreted it wrong

BlazerLT
08-14-2005, 05:43 PM
read what i said you interpreted it wrong

Why don't you shut up and stop discrediting the advice given to help the thread starter.

The CPI injector is the problem with the CPI system and not the fuel pump.

If it was the fuel pump, it wouldn't even start.

s10blazerman4x4
08-14-2005, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by gtboiii11
read what i said you interpreted it wrong
Why don't you shut up and stop discrediting the advice given to help the thread starter.

The CPI injector is the problem with the CPI system and not the fuel pump.

If it was the fuel pump, it wouldn't even start.


Thank you BlazerLt. :bigthumb:

calebcoe
08-14-2005, 06:42 PM
thanks for all the advice guys, couldn't it be the fuel pump going on the out, or possibly something in the fuel line, im gonna check the fuel pressure tomorrow. It almost seems to be something with the exaust. About two months ago i cut the catalytic converter out, cause it was causing an egr type of stutter, and that worked, but this seems exactly the opposite of the egr type symptoms, it runs fine at idle, and drives fine at low rpm, just any higher than 2000 rpm in seems to choke out. Thanks guys

BlazerLT
08-14-2005, 06:55 PM
The Cpi Injector And Nut Kit!!!!!

Can You Listen To Us, We Are Telling You Your Problem And You Keep On Ignoring Us!!!!

gtboiii11
08-14-2005, 09:07 PM
the truck will start with a bad pump!!! the pump is losing power and not pumping enough fuel pressure, this is exactly what happened to my truck, i would take it over 2000 rpm and the truck would stutter and stall out, due to the weak fuel pressure provided by the pump, th enegine is not getting the proper gas to stay running over 2000 rpms!!! forget the cpi !!!

BlazerLT
08-14-2005, 09:42 PM
the truck will start with a bad pump!!! the pump is losing power and not pumping enough fuel pressure, this is exactly what happened to my truck, i would take it over 2000 rpm and the truck would stutter and stall out, due to the weak fuel pressure provided by the pump, th enegine is not getting the proper gas to stay running over 2000 rpms!!! forget the cpi !!!

Bullshit, it also can be caused by the fuel pressure regulator blowing fuel out its seal at higher fuel pressure.

Stop acting like the fuel pump is the only cause to a performance loss on a CPI engine.

Until we verify whether or not he is spraying fuel all over the inside of the upper plenum, you have no right to say I am friggin wrong.

You don't see me saying it is not the fuel pump do you.

You don't have enough information to say that my idea is wrong so shut the hell up.

kthx.

gtboiii11
08-15-2005, 01:15 PM
your just a punk ass kid who got your truck off your mommy and daddy and really dont know much about it. You have the same answer to every damn question, you either say ignition switch or cpi. And you are always certain your right.

Rick Norwood
08-15-2005, 01:22 PM
your just a punk ass kid who got your truck off your mommy and daddy and really dont know much about it. You have the same answer to every damn question, you either say ignition switch or cpi. And you are always certain your right.

BlazerLT, Pull the plug on this guy.:screwy:

s10blazerman4x4
08-15-2005, 01:25 PM
Originally Posted by gtboiii11
your just a punk ass kid who got your truck off your mommy and daddy and really dont know much about it. You have the same answer to every damn question, you either say ignition switch or cpi. And you are always certain your right.
BlazerLT, Pull the plug on this guy.:screwy:
I agree Rick

hazzzmattt
08-15-2005, 01:33 PM
go with the fuel pump and youre gonna be right. the fuel pressure test is gonna tell the tale. that's the right move, dont guess. youre gonna see the fuel pressure start to drop off at about 1500 rpm then youre gonna slam a pump in it then its gonna be fixed.

Rick Norwood
08-15-2005, 01:38 PM
I've seen the same thing with a plugged fuel filter. Idle all day, but won't take the high RPM's When was the last time you changed your fuel filter?

calebcoe
08-15-2005, 03:08 PM
I just changed the fuel filter the other day, the thing is that i could barely blow through it, so it really does make me wonder if it burnt out the pump. And as for you guys arguing, thanks for all the input, but you doods should just fight!

jsgold
08-15-2005, 03:25 PM
To put my two cents in, get a fuel pressure tester. Best tool you could have with these trucks. Check and see what it is doing. Don't cost a lot and I think you can rent them at Advance. Then while you are at it go ahead and check for CPI problems/injector problems by removing the Vortec plate and remove the round assy under it. Can't hurt. Also, one thing I don;t think anyone has mentioned, the TPS (throttle position sensor). If it is goofed up would that not cause problems with higher speeds?

Flatrater
08-15-2005, 07:59 PM
Without performing any tests it is imposisble to rule anything out as the cause.


But fuel pressure as well as fuel volume is critcal for this engine to run right. A 5 psi loss can cause this problem. You can also have the correct pressure but not enough volume of fuel. The pressure I believe should be around 55 psi and you should be able to fill up 1/2 od a soda can in 30 seconds time. That will tell you you have the correct pressure and volume.

Fuel filters and CPI's. Over the years I have done many CPI's in these trucks for the same complain as yours but a CPI is not the first thing I would try. CPI's are a costly item and that puts them dead last on my list of things to replace. Only when I run all the tests I can and have no bad results would I lean towards a CPI unit. Fuel filters would be one of the first because they don't cost alot and they are what traps all the dirt and sludge. Fuel filters can be installed wrong. They should have an arrow showing flow direction, installing the filter wrong would also cause a power loss.

Cats, TPS, O2, and coolant sensors can affect the engine. A partially plugged cat will give you decent idle but in the higher RPM's you would see a decrease in power and might mistake it for a trans slip. An O2 sensor that is skewed will affect fuel trim levels and it can add fuel or cut back fuel which would be felt more above idle. The TPS is an input to the computer which is used to determine fuel injector pulse along with the O2 and TPS.

I would first rule out the basics. The biggest mistake that techs make is to forget the basics and head right for the CPI unit only to find out after replacing it they still have the same problem. I will agree with BlazerLT 90% of the time their is a problem with the CPI, they are prone to failure but as a tech I only have one try to get it right. Since there realy is no test to rule out the CPI you need to rule out what you can and then you can look at the CPI as your problem.

BlazerLT
08-15-2005, 08:05 PM
your just a punk ass kid who got your truck off your mommy and daddy and really dont know much about it. You have the same answer to every damn question, you either say ignition switch or cpi. And you are always certain your right.

Because you know why, more often than not I AM right. If you have a problem with MY advice, that is fine, but don't cut up my help when you don't even know if I am wrong.

This is your first and final warning about the insults, I never insulted you.

gtboiii11
08-15-2005, 09:05 PM
first and final warning about insults? what are you going to do come to florida and do something? i think not, but you are the one who said that i was wrong when I GUARANTEE that i am right on this one, i have had every problem in the book with my truck, and with his described syptoms it is 100 percent the fuel pump, ill put my truck on it!!!

gtboiii11
08-15-2005, 09:07 PM
why waste 300 dollars of the guys money on a cpi when it is the pump for 70 dollars

FormulaLT1
08-15-2005, 09:10 PM
This thread served its purpose. If the thread starter has anymore questions feel free to PM a moderator or start a new thread. Lets all try to get along please, no insults is not too much to ask.

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