ok its saturday im cruising down a notorious street for raceing when a 91 civic pulls up next to me and revs so there it goes the light turns green and were off it was like he didnt even take off. later i pull up next to some older car like a regal or something ( not grand national)there was no revs than he all of a sudden just takes off and go it takes me a while but i pass him after a couple of seconds. than this last race doesnt make sense but look at my other post after you read this well we were rollling about 30mph and i hear a noise and blue 99 civic si with i/h/e i look at him and he takes off so there i go catch up to him right away and pass him and yes we were racing cause he yelled out good race so tell me what you think
i have an exhause that came with it its like 2 inch and i added an intake pretty good for my first day having it

why doesnt that make sense?

i lost to civic si with the same mods thats why it didnt make sencse..................ps that older car was a pizza car lol im dead serious and it was pretty fast

you shouldnt have lost to that car

Writing that in sentences would have made it a lot easier to read!

Eclipse GSX.. isn't that just a GS with a cosmetics package? Or do you mean a GS-T (older) or GT (current-model low-performance v6)? Honestly, a civic SI (electric blue 99 civic = SI) could solidly beat a GS, come close to a GS-T after some fairly easy bolt-ons (like i/h/e), and be almost dead-even with a GT Eclipse. Sorry to break the news to people, but Eclipses really aren't very fast. The GS-T was the only hope they had, and it wasn't worth much.

I've worked on and driven a GS-T quite a bit (my ex-girlfriend's car), and it loses to my 'teg GS-R with intake and proper tuning. Granted, by less than half-a-carlength, but still loses. :)

no a GSX is AWD turbo and they haul ass

believe me if it was a GS with an appearance package, i wouldnt waste the gas

Originally posted by kidrocket
no a GSX is AWD turbo and they haul ass

believe me if it was a GS with an appearance package, i wouldnt waste the gas

Eclipse RS = TRASH
Eclipse GS = TRASH
Eclipse GS-T = Turbocharged and a 14.9 second quarter mile
Eclipse GS-X = AWD and Turbocharged and a 14.7 second quarter mile
It'd be hard for him to lose to an SI

you got a turbo charged awd and you lost to a civic si. whats wrong with you.

Originally posted by rendog24
you got a turbo charged awd and you lost to a civic si. whats wrong with you. hahahaha only one answer for that

Lets see some pics of your eclipse, and its engine.

you should add more periods commas stuff like that because your post sounds too wierd to me not to mention it doesn't make sense so use a bunch more periods commas so your posts won't look stuipid like mine right now i am not using periods commas to show you how stupid it sounds when you read it to yourself by the way good kills sorry i have been drinking a little bit why are you not in the mitshubishi forum:flipa:

i noticed u were slurring in your writing.:D













j/k:)

well i have bad news my gsx i automatic and i got a sorry launch later that day i raced my friend out in the country ( his gst k and n and intake same ass me except my exhaust is cheap and came with my car) and well my tranny blew out and we got are money back and tomorrow im going car shopping. most likely i will replace with another gsx with manual or a gsr or type r tune in later to fine out.

what the fuck did you just say????????:confused:

ill bet if i didnt know how to launch an auto id break the tranny too

so you just destroyed the tranny on a gsx?
impressive

Originally posted by kidrocket
ill bet if i didnt know how to launch an auto id break the tranny too

It's actually not as hard as you might expect. That's the risk in buying used performance vehicles. Especially turbo-charged ones. You can almost be assured that the previous owner beat it to death. The words "turbo" and "long-lasting" DO NOT GO TOGETHER! It's hard on the engine, believe that. Even if it's at "moderate" boost, you're still asking the engine to handle conditions it WAS NOT designed for. And that's not even the half of it. When buying a used car like teh GSX yo have soo much more to worry about besides the engine. The transmission, clutch(if it's auto), axles, things like that all have to be considered because the entire vehicle is worn down when it is beat on by the driver. Basically what I'm saying is to reaaaallllyyy be careful when buying a used performance vehicle. Or you could always just buy an LT1 and have the satisfaction of knowing it's a bulletproof motor through and through:D

Originally posted by spy54
so you just destroyed the tranny on a gsx?
impressive

Mitsu drivetrain isn't good. Almost all mitsu have that problem.

Originally posted by mellowboy


Mitsu drivetrain isn't good. Almost all mitsu have that problem.

Mitsu drivetrains ARE good. When you have a very strong engine with a lot of torque, and four wheels that are gripping the ground, resisiting the engine, SOMETHING has to give.

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


Mitsu drivetrains ARE good. When you have a very strong engine with a lot of torque, and four wheels that are gripping the ground, resisiting the engine, SOMETHING has to give.

Not just on AWD man. Its on most mitsu. They have lots of problems. They did a recall on them i believe. My friends ' 98 gs-t is on his 3rd tranny already. My friends galant tranny went out also.

Even in an automatic, you still should've killed that Civic. This guy down here has an automatic GS-X and he beat my friends Si, and my friend has intake, header, exhaust, crower cams and hayame cam gears. We thought he was gonna lose, and he did, but we didn't know the GSX was auto.
Yeah the Mitsubishi tranny's need a lot of work before you can beat the sh!t out of them. And when a car has an AWD drivetrain and turbo, the tranny is taking a beating.

Originally posted by mellowboy


Not just on AWD man. Its on most mitsu. They have lots of problems. They did a recall on them i believe. My friends ' 98 gs-t is on his 3rd tranny already. My friends galant tranny went out also.

I see what you mean. But relative to the abuse the Mitsu trannies take compared to most other compacts, they hold up pretty well to abuse...that is, without directly comparing it to the Honda trannies which racers use stock to run their 500-600HP machines:D.

everything about the eclipse sucks(my opinion ppl!!) they look super fast but they are not. yes i drove them before and was not impressed at all.:flipa:

Originally posted by whprelude
everything about the eclipse sucks(my opinion ppl!!) they look super fast but they are not. yes i drove them before and was not impressed at all.:flipa:

It's faster than what you've got. Almost as fast as a WRX(I've personally seen a stock GS-X run a 14.6 second quarter, compared to the WRXs 14.3). That's hardly in the "sucks" category. Just about able to hang with stock V8 Stangs and Z28s. I don't care what you say, a mid-14 second quarter from a stock I4 is impressive.

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Originally posted by kidrocket
ill bet if i didnt know how to launch an auto id break the tranny too
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It's actually not as hard as you might expect. That's the risk in buying used performance vehicles. Especially turbo-charged ones. You can almost be assured that the previous owner beat it to death. The words "turbo" and "long-lasting" DO NOT GO TOGETHER! It's hard on the engine, believe that. Even if it's at "moderate" boost, you're still asking the engine to handle conditions it WAS NOT designed for

Correct me if im wrong, but when a car manufacturer designs a turbo engine is'nt it made to withstand the turbo. If not then many turbo cars like Grandnationals, WRX Imprezas, ect ect... would crap out, and i know of many factory turbo cars that run well, eventhough they are old.


Just wondering

granted

Just like kidrocket said, if you don't know how to launch in an auto it's easy to break it. Even in a n/a car, if you don't know what the hell you're doing you can break it. Hell, if you don't know what you're doing when you're pouring milk in a bowl of cereal you can mess that up too.

It's just EASIER to break a transmission when you don't know what you're doing AND it has a forced induction motor. Mitsubishi tranny's, auto's that is, take a lot of beatings and are known to break only because the owners do stupid things to peel out or launch right, when they should just torque brake, wait for green and stomp on the gas, even torque braking isn't recommended with the stock torque converter. You need to get a shift kit and stronger clutch packs in order to RACE an automatic transmission. I had a 1968 Firebird with a 400 cubic inch 6.6 liter engine dyno'd at 375 hp at the wheels, (after mods of course). It was paired up with a turbo 400 transmission mated to a B&M ripper shifter. That transmission lasted me exactly 85 runs without maintenance other than common tune up's. I let my dad borrow the car for one day, and he called me from the shop. Why? Because he's used to 4/5 speed manual transmissions when it comes to racing, so he didn't know what the hell he was doing. Hope I've cleared up any confusion.

Oh and whprelude, Eclipse GS's and RS's are by far weaksauce in the sport compact car community IMO. But I've seen an Eclipse GSX with just a turbo upgrade and exhaust break off a Corvette in a 1/4 mile run.

To end the story about my Firebird. What my dad did to kill everything I worked to do to that car, he revved the engine up to about 4300 rpm, and snapped it into drive, he cracked my rear driveshaft, and my tranny in half because he also didn't check the transmission oil, because he DIDN'T KNOW IT HAD ANY!!! (manual tranny's use a grease rather than transmission fluid in auto's)

Originally posted by ScoobySnacks

It's actually not as hard as you might expect. That's the risk in buying used performance vehicles. Especially turbo-charged ones. You can almost be assured that the previous owner beat it to death. The words "turbo" and "long-lasting" DO NOT GO TOGETHER! It's hard on the engine, believe that. Even if it's at "moderate" boost, you're still asking the engine to handle conditions it WAS NOT designed for

Correct me if im wrong, but when a car manufacturer designs a turbo engine is'nt it made to withstand the turbo. If not then many turbo cars like Grandnationals, WRX Imprezas, ect ect... would crap out, and i know of many factory turbo cars that run well, eventhough they are old.


Just wondering

I guess I will correct you. There are reasons that some turbocharged cars don't last that long. Mostly it has very little to do with the engine quality or the turbo quality. I really matters on the driver. You can't take a car with a turbo out and drive it hard and then just turn it off. It is not the hard driving that is killing it, though it isn't good to drive that way all the time, it is the fact that they just shut off the car. In a normally aspirated car that is fine, but not for a turbocharged car. The impeller in the turbo spins at 100,000+ RPMs and they get rather hot. Now when you just shut it down after running it hard the oil in the turbo doesn't have a chance to be pumped out and the turbo doesn't get a chance to cool down. The oil builds up around the bearings and boils. Dirt builds up after time of doing this over and over again and slowly wears away at the bearings. The signs of this are during acceleration the car will hesitate like you had water in the engine, bad throttle position sensor, or burned plugs, or a cold cylinder. It does this because the impeller is keeps caching because of the worn bearing and is not pumping air like it should. This is why people think they don't last that long, it is because most people have no idea how to maintain and take care of a turbocharged car. It is a good idea to just let the car idle for about 30 seconds to let the turbo cool.

My car has close to 150,000 miles on it and the turbo still puts out 14 PSI of boost. The engines are built to take it as well. In fact I can safely run 30 PSI of boost on my stock turbo, engine, and internals the only thing I would have to change is the intercooler.

Wow... Didn't know that. Guess we learn something new every day.

That information is highly useful to me Polygon, for that I am grateful, especially considering the guy I was gonna get a GSR off of, backed down on the deal and I was strongly considering a used 94 RX-7.

Is there anything else that might prove to be useful information about stock turbo sports cars? I know that the first thing to upgrade is recommended to be the blowoff valve.

That is one thing you may want to look at, but really the first thing I would look at is the bleeder valve. It is the cheapest mod for a turbocharged car. Someone can change that very easily to run more boost. The problem with this is running more boost than the engine should be running, plus the fact if they don't change the fuel to air mixture ratio they could really fubar that engine cause' it will run lean.

So if you are going to play with the bleeder valve, talk to a tech at you local performance shop or dealership to see what kind of boost the engine is meant to take without further reinforcement or replacement sleeves, bearings, crank, head, pistons, rods, and all that fun stuff. And remember to change that pesky fuel to air mixture ratio. ;)

EDIT:

I almost forgot, you can take a turbocharged car to the dealership and they can run tests on the turbo that will tell you how many pounds of boost the turbo/turbos are running among other things. This may help you find out if they have been mistreating the car.

the reason why i lost is because his engine if fully built with jg intake with enlarged troatal bodie, intake, exhaust. i think the has high compression pistons. he has lots of stuff. its fast as hell and another thing it was a full quarter mile he plus i didnt get a good start. and for my tranny my car had a 119 thousand miles. i migh buy a gst with greddy 3.5 inch exhaust and an k & n filter. for 9 thousand its a 98. but its a convertable for now though i have a 97 honda hatch that im trying to sale my mom wants to sell it for like 6,500 to pay it off.

what grade are you in? you write like my 7 yr old brother that i dont have. But, if i did, hed probably write like you

Originally posted by Self


It's faster than what you've got. Almost as fast as a WRX(I've personally seen a stock GS-X run a 14.6 second quarter, compared to the WRXs 14.3). That's hardly in the "sucks" category. Just about able to hang with stock V8 Stangs and Z28s. I don't care what you say, a mid-14 second quarter from a stock I4 is impressive.

why don't you read between these things ( )
my opinion is they SUCK. i would never give up my car for a faster one...:finger4:

Originally posted by whprelude


why don't you read between these things ( )
my opinion is they SUCK. i would never give up my car for a faster one...:finger4:

Originally posted by whprelude
everything about the eclipse sucks(my opinion ppl!!) they look super fast but they are not. yes i drove them before and was not impressed at all.:flipa:

I understand that it's your opinion, cool. I'm just saying that you said they look super fast but they're not....They're pretty damn fast for what they are, wouldn't you say? What do you consider fast, then? Especially for a stock I4? I think a mid 14 is pretty fast. And I was fairly impressed with the way they drive.

Originally posted by Self


I understand that it's your opinion, cool. I'm just saying that you said they look super fast but they're not....They're pretty damn fast for what they are, wouldn't you say? What do you consider fast, then? Especially for a stock I4? I think a mid 14 is pretty fast. And I was fairly impressed with the way they drive.

mid 14?...like i said..and i know my car isn't shiatt...they look SUPER FAST but they're not...again: my opinion...

What are you talking about? They look about as fast as they are. When car's aren't as fast as they look, they're faster than they look. My car doesn't look like it could run mid 15's but it does. You should see the looks on the faces of the CRX si's I race when I pass them in second gear and pull in third.
I think Eclipses look like they'll run mid to low 15's, and they actually run mid to high 14's. I don't care what you say, but whenever a four cylinder, Honda Civic territory import can hang with V8 mustangs and some v8 camaros, stock for stock, it's HELLA FAST.
Get your facts straight.

Originally posted by whprelude


mid 14?...like i said..and i know my car isn't shiatt...they look SUPER FAST but they're not...again: my opinion...

yeap, mid to high 14s. In my other post I said how I personally witnessed a stock turbo eclipse tab a 14.6 second slip. I suppose it's just your opinion...But to me, this...
http://www.ruidera.net/_uimages/GSX.jpg
doesn't look all that fast...
THIS...
http://www.car-truck.com/image/chryed/concept/00/viperc4.jpg
LOOKS FAST!!!:D

Originally posted by S2Corolla
What are you talking about? They look about as fast as they are. When car's aren't as fast as they look, they're faster than they look. My car doesn't look like it could run mid 15's but it does. You should see the looks on the faces of the CRX si's I race when I pass them in second gear and pull in third.
I think Eclipses look like they'll run mid to low 15's, and they actually run mid to high 14's. I don't care what you say, but whenever a four cylinder, Honda Civic territory import can hang with V8 mustangs and some v8 camaros, stock for stock, it's HELLA FAST.
Get your facts straight.

my facts straight?? what facts buddy boy? you think eclipses look like they'll run whatever?? thats fine and dandy but that shit sounds like an opinion to me....hmmmm, who would've thought that...OPINIONS!!
what I SAY IS they don't look as fast as they should be...damn.

Originally posted by whprelude

what I SAY IS they don't look as fast as they should be...damn.
Didn't you say that they look fast but they're not? Or didn't you say they look hella fast but they're not?

Dude you DO need to get your facts straight... YOUR facts straight, that is. Coz you don't even reiterate what YOU said.

Originally posted by S2Corolla

Didn't you say that they look fast but they're not? Or didn't you say they look hella fast but they're not?

Dude you DO need to get your facts straight... YOUR facts straight, that is. Coz you don't even reiterate what YOU said.

nope, sorry, actually i said they look super fast but are not. guess i needed to type it perfect for your superior intelligence:rolleyes:

Originally posted by whprelude
what I SAY IS they don't look as fast as they should be...damn.


Originally posted by whprelude


nope, sorry, actually i said they look super fast but are not. guess i needed to type it perfect for your superior intelligence:rolleyes:

Hm... Nope, looks to me like you first said, they look superfast, but are not. Then you said they don't look as fast as they should be. And if my COMMON ENGLISH INTELLIGENCE IS CORRECT, when you say something doesn't look as fast as they should be, you're saying that they don't look as fast as they actually are. And when you say they look superfast but are not, I consider that to be hypocritical... Don't roll your eyes at me when you're the one talking like a freaking idiot.

Chill out people...it's just a car. If you like it, fine, if you don't, WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT. Those that do, keep the argument in PM.

Originally posted by carrrnuttt
Chill out people...it's just a car. If you like it, fine, if you don't, WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT. Those that do, keep the argument in PM.

its all good man, no problems here with me. just everyone keep in mind that if you can't worry about what you EXACTLY SAID everytime you post, toyota kid here is gonna be on ya with his superior intelligence:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by whprelude
toyota kid here is gonna be on ya with his superior intelligence

Gee, I didn't know you thought so highly of my intellect... I feel good. :p

I mean you didn't have to admit to everyone that I am smarter than you... You could've just said, "Okay I made a mistake... My grammar skills are not up to par..." But superior intelligence... Wow... I don't know what to say... Thanks?
:evillaugh

:rolleyes:


http://files.automotiveforums.com/uploads/662268acupofshutthefuckup.jpg

Dude.....in that eclipse you should of smoked him......what did he have under the hood? Get yourself some nitrous or something. Or a turbo kit. My firt race was in an AMX. I was 13 and the neighbors father brought over his AMX. He took me for a drive and we were driving on the country, barely any cars. As we go around a curve we see a car approaching quickly. As it gets closer i can see it's a silver RX-7. He went into the other lane and pulled up beside us.....sort of taunting us. We stopped at a stop sign and he was reving his engine. Then he just took off. The neighbors father quickly said, "Don't tell your mother about this!" and took off after him. We dragged for about a mile to the next intersection. Not to mention he just got a brand new engine put in the AMX. That really put us ahead. We won it......sweet American muscle! He still has the AMX. I ought to take a picture of it. My mac computer won't let me upload photos so if you wanna see it i'll have to e-mail it to you. After that rush i started getting ideas for my future. But I ended up with a '99 Mitsubishi Eclipse. Dam is it hot. Fast too. I got an '03 also. I have experience. And youngster should have won. Save your pennies and order some performance parts or something if you can't race it well.

By the way do any of you know where i can get a better spoiler for my '99. It's silver and has a purple F&F decal. I need a spoiler that would look hot on it. I'm thinking of spraying it the same purple as on the graphic. It's a dark purple. What do you think will look good?

What do you think will look good?

You splattered over a brick wall...

Please don't drag up old threads.

Closing. . . .