I am a true to the bone muscle car guy. i like imports, they are okay, but i have always believed that if you want to win races, you buy a car designed with power in mind.
hence, that's why this race amused me.
my friend dave, who is 17 years old, has a 1968 plymouth sport fury with a 440 and an auto. the engine is stock, he has exhaust manifolds on it and a relatively small cam, as well as stock suspension. the only radical mod it has is 4.10 gears, but he has tall tires so it's not even that bad.
my friend tim has a 92 nissan 300zx twin turbo. the car has a greddy exhaust system, apex-i digi boost control and turbo timer, as well as upgraded intercoolers and fuel system
the car was sent to stillen to be tuned and dynoed and it put out 418 hp at the wheels! stillen told him the car was a mid 12 second car as well as having a top speed of 173 mph.
so, i got the two cars together for a race. both are red, it was quite a site.
so, they line up, and they start revving their engines. dave sets his stall at about 2800 and the flagmen drops his arms.
dave's car gets the lead out of the whole, spinning the tires and leaving huge clouds of smoke. the nissan is trying to catch him through first gear, and the cars are neck in neck at the top of first.
the second gear shift leaves the nissan at a half a car length behind, and losing ground fast! by this time i am screaming at my friend dave to keep givin' it all he has, because we might actually beat the nissan.
tim hit third gear and started to gain, until the big dodge hit 3rd and we left tim behind. the fury topped out at about 120 mph around 5500 rpm and that's when the nissan finally caught us.
tim kept driving and i didn't talk to him for a few days...
anyways, there is about 37000 dollars in the nissan. there is 9500 in the fury. the fury weighs 4300 lbs along with the fact that me and dave were both in the car, and the nissan weighs roughly 3800 pounds and tim was the only rider in the car.
also, the nissan had drag radials on it; so traction was not a problem. the fury had burnt out bfgs with no tread, and it was spinning the tires all the way through first gear.
oh, and the fastest pass the fury made was a 13.60. so, was stillen wrong or.....?

nice, gotta have american muscle!

stillen was wrong it has a 5 speed too ........i dunno maybe he can't shift ? 12 seconds is an estimate you don't know how fast it'll go till you actually do it.

I don't believe the Z could make more then 400HP with the stock Twin turbo's.With upgraded turbos yes, but it would take alot more work then wut you stated to bring the number that high.If it was really a 400HP TT 300ZX, it would've caught up after 2nd due to the turbo lag it has in the first 2 gears.At about 3000rpm, the lag kicks in and u don't get the boost till about 5500.My friend owns a nicely tuned Z, but can't break into the 12's, due to his stock turbos.

Oh, also how much boost was he running when he raced you, and when it got dynoed, that makes a big difference too.If he was running low boost say 9psi, he wouldn't be running as fast.My friends Z can run on 14lbs of boost while not straining the engine to much, but still lags.

11.6 lbs of boost from the stock turbos...they will push 20 but it pings like hell.
stillen sent him a certificate from the chassis dyno showing 418 rwhp @ 6100 rpm
yeah, i know it's a 5 speed...i drove it. lol
it hit's full boost at a little under 4000...and they make 300 hp stock, what makes you think they can't gain 100 while keeping the stock turbos?

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
stillen was wrong it has a 5 speed too ........i dunno maybe he can't shift ? 12 seconds is an estimate you don't know how fast it'll go till you actually do it.

He probably granny shifted instead of double cluching as he should've.:D

LOL.

GO MOPAR!

That is all I have to say.

I would say Boooo! But I like Fury's to much :D


As for why the Z got smoked, I seriously doubt that stillin was wrong... Perhaps somthing wasn't running right or the stillin drivers are better then your friend :D

As for the VG30DETT turbos, they should start spooling around 3400 and come onto full boost by 3900-4000 like chebbie said. Now tim might want to consider having them sent off and highflowed. That will help spoolup, let you run more boost, and help the dropoff after 6000 you get when you start running 16psi or more. t04 front end and T3 exhaust wheel should do nicely :D

all I can say is, I dont understand how it could have happened. assuming tha the #s you gave are correct, and unless the Z32 was running lowerboost, it should not have happened.
And did stillen tell him what the hell he did to it? He coulda just sent him a dyno plot from another Z and charged him phat cash for it:)
Either that or it was his car and he dumped in like 110 octane race gas an cranked up the boost so there was no knock, oh yea, the Z's stock t25s are good to about 18psi max. But the stock twins can get you to 400 no problem. The key to the VG is the intercoolers, the stockers suck a$$.

Or maybe the 32 was sandbaggin' so everyone now thinks he has a slow car..............

Originally posted by joebowlr21
I don't believe the Z could make more then 400HP with the stock Twin turbo's.With upgraded turbos yes, but it would take alot more work then wut you stated to bring the number that high.If it was really a 400HP TT 300ZX, it would've caught up after 2nd due to the turbo lag it has in the first 2 gears.At about 3000rpm, the lag kicks in and u don't get the boost till about 5500.My friend owns a nicely tuned Z, but can't break into the 12's, due to his stock turbos.

Oh, also how much boost was he running when he raced you, and when it got dynoed, that makes a big difference too.If he was running low boost say 9psi, he wouldn't be running as fast.My friends Z can run on 14lbs of boost while not straining the engine to much, but still lags.

what the hell are u talking about? turbo lag in the firs t2 gears? turbo lag is rpm dependant, not gear depentent, lag doesn't "kick in", it is the turbo not spiining fast enough to create any boost. boost "kicks in", it shoud start spooling around 3400-4000 as gonthrax said. and stay full boost until redline, the t-25 is a decent turbo, it is too small for a stock 2.0l mitsu engine, but feeding only half of a 3.0l it should make enough volume to feed closer to 450 hp at the wheels. definitely driver error is to blame,,,,or maybe even a sucky clutch, but i would say 99.9% drver in ability.

What the hell is granny shifting hear the expression all the time, I just don't know what the hell it is ?:confused:

well the name is kinda self explainatory..........

just kiddin man, naw its just shiftin slow

Originally posted by NB8CT
well the name is kinda self explainatory..........

just kiddin man, naw its just shiftin slow

Thats right! You have to remember to quadruple clutch, especialy when drag racing :silly::silly2: ;)

:D