Does anyone sell anything they draw/render? If so how much do you sell for. Where/who do you sell it to?

I'd like to but I don't know who would buy my shit...

Maybe you could ask at a restaurant or a bar or at the gas station... they should pin it to the wall and they get a third of the money... well. don't know.

Yeah I'm not really sure who'd buy my art. So far I sold one picture to my cousin only cause he asked me to draw his car. I guess maybe I could attend car shows and ask if people want their cars drawn.

Im actually doing a camaro portrait right now. $200

Does anyone sell anything they draw/render? If so how much do you sell for. Where/who do you sell it to?

my idea is that if you post something on this forum, or on a personal site, to sell, and you begin at a low level, you will be regarded as cheap. and your work will be seen as "cheap." and, therefore, not desirable.

with artwork, you should not set a price too low, or high. so if you offer to sell a drawing for $5, you will come off as a desperate wannabe student.

if you offer work at $5000, and you have no reputation or name for yourself, and if the work is not of very good quality, you will come off as a criminal.

so the artist in this society is pretty much screwed.

were i you, i would throw out a price and see what kinds of responses happen. and if you make prints of the drawing, you can sell the same drawing again and again and again.

you sell the original, you have blown your wad.

at the begining of summer i go to the lake check out jetskis and new cars lots of peeps want pics of their new rides and lucky for them i draw cars and that stuff flat rate $200 per portrait.:)

If I were to sell, I'd ask for $25-$75 depending on what I'm drawing. I'm not looking to make a living, just a few extra bucks if possible.

why not make a living at it? drawing is more fun than working at a bank or some office.

I sell pinstriping all the time. Makes darn good bank for what it is.

yep. see that.

i encourage everyone here who likes to draw to see a day when you can say "take this job and shove it," and work for yourself drawing or painting.

the money will come if you really apply yourself. you have to be hungry for it. falling into a real job is like going to hell and dying. even if it makes good money.

artists often have more power than they give themselves credit for: too many artists act needy and desperate for money. and this makes them powerless. it is also bullshit that computers are going to replace artwork by hand. pens have not replaced pencils. bikes have not replaced cars. tomatoes have not replaced lettuce. it's all just one big happy dysfunctional family.

there is so much fear and bullshit out there keeping poets and artists down. oh well --social darwinism. the meek shall inherit the gutter.

Not sure I could support my life style with my artwork. but for 2-3 months out of the year I make a handsome wage. $600 extra a week sometimes more. not bad.

Not sure I could support my life style with my artwork. but for 2-3 months out of the year I make a handsome wage. $600 extra a week sometimes more. not bad.
that's pretty darned good.

have you considered making prints of the work and selling it hundreds of times over?

Please don't take this the wrong way, but you probably have it easier selling your art not just because you draw well, but because you are an attractive female. I'm sure it's much easier to approach someone and tell them you can draw their vehicle for $200. The rest of us would probably be declined, at least at that price unless we are damn good and our clientel have the money. :(

I sell all of my work .I have an airbrush and t-shirt business ,We do cars,trucks and bikes.I just finished one yesterday . We charge 50 to 250 for kartoons and renderings of what would it look like if .. drawings for customers. Its not easy but if your really wanting to make money invest in an airbrush and charge peeps to paint thier cars on t's thats what I do at the cars shows we do .I charge 35 for an airbrushed t - shirt . It some good money .
Hope this helps ya .

I don't but sure wish I could too. Just seems like art and business are
are so opposite. They feel like an un-natural mix. :)

Kartoonz 35 a shirt? How long does it take you to finish a shirt up?
How many do you do in a day? Seems like alot of work for one shirt.
Your work rocks. Bet you do well!

I don't but sure wish I could too. Just seems like art and business are
are so opposite. They feel like an un-natural mix. :)


--exactly the reason why most "talented" people go NOWHERE: it's all in the attitude and belief.

grant, you and i have already had this talk. don't you remember?

...that computers are going to replace artwork by hand. pens have not replaced pencils. bikes have not replaced cars. tomatoes have not replaced lettuce. it's all just one big happy dysfunctional family.

there is so much fear and bullshit out there keeping poets and artists down. oh well --social darwinism. the meek shall inherit the gutter.
This is why Bonz is a cool dude.

This is a great thread. I find it very encouraging.

For the longest time I have let fear and money drive my actions.
No more.

I know I know I always talk about books.
I do have a list of books for art business.

I find (other art forums) that artists focus on art and forget the business side of things. An artist must be a businessperson too.

So you want to sell art? This is what you need to do.

-Meet other artists in the biz and learn from them (network).
and I should say successful artist, like Bonz, Lemorris, Kartoonz.
-Read five books on art and business to include the legal aspects.
-Get magazine subscriptions for your area of focus and perhaps a
general subscription to The Artist's magazine (it has lots on business
and stuff)

What are some good art forums?

tomatoes have not replaced lettuce.

:cwm27:

Another attempt on defining a price would be the time you need for it, just as a reference. In Germany there's a minimum wage of 6,14 Euro/hour. That's not much, a box of cigaretts is at 4 Euro and a Britney Spears Album at 16 Euro. You see, most workmen earn more than that, about the double. I'm not sure whether a minimum wage does exist in the US, I guess not, but just as a reference. Regarding this sum, for a 4 hours drawing I would get at least 24,56 Euro. Plus the money for the tools and the paper.

My pocket money is at 35 Euro a month. 25 Euro extra would not be bad.

:cwm27:

Another attempt on defining a price would be the time you need for it, just as a reference. In Germany there's a minimum wage of 6,14 Euro/hour. That's not much, a box of cigaretts is at 4 Euro and a Britney Spears Album at 16 Euro. You see, most workmen earn more than that, about the double. I'm not sure whether a minimum wage does exist in the US, I guess not, but just as a reference. Regarding this sum, for a 4 hours drawing I would get at least 24,56 Euro. Plus the money for the tools and the paper.

My pocket money is at 35 Euro a month. 25 Euro extra would not be bad.

knight, i implore that you abandon the whole "time = value" axiom. it is bullshit. you're not paid for your time when you create "art." you are paid for the intellectual thought.

if it took me ten minutes to paint the mona lisa, i would charge millions of dollars for it. i don't care how long it takes.

to now switch on you, i am paid "by the day" to do storyboards. there is a general citywide "accepted" rate for that. but there is always a "fudge-factor." for example, if the person in the office, at the front desk, was a bitch, i will charge the company more money to punish them. if she does not pay for my parking, i will charge the company an extra hour --punishing them for MY inconvenience. if i get a parking ticket because the company refused to show me employee parking, i will charge them 2 more extra hours because they made me angry.

conversely, if the company was nice, people were fun, i will often let lots of things slide. i will often undercharge them for my time because they made my life fun on that job.

for "fine art" or paintings, that is an entirely different thing. that is not a "minimum wage" type of project. that is a "i'm charging you $60000.00 because that is the percevied value of this piece of work --how badly do you want this hanging above your couch? you either want it or you do not."

and: "by the way, it took five minuts to paint this and it is still $6000.00"

can you begin to see what i mean? you must entirely shift your whole head aruond and rethink art + business. they are the SAME. if you insist on minimum wage thinking and "i'm not really good enough to charge so much ...." then you are getting EXACTLY what you have expected: NOTHING.

i am telling you, nearly ALL renaissance "masters" were shrewd businessmen who had slaves working for them, painting the underpaintings of many famous works. rembrandt would show up after lunch and touch things up and sign his name. not every piece is done this way, but you'd be surprised how many were created on an assembly line.

why did rembrandt basically invent "etching"? ---> to make hundreds of prints of the same work to make mucho $$$$$!! he didn't do it just because "etching" is some sacred "art form." it was the precursor to the poster. why are posters made? ---> to sell millions of copies of the same image to make millions of dollars very quickly.

there are 2 kinds of people: those who have money. and those who want the money that others have. don't stay the latter.

find a hero and mimic them. mine is rembrandt. in his prime, he was a rich bastard, churning out prints and paintings from his factory studio (except he died in poverty, so i skip that part!) :icon16:

a great book is "Business and Legal Forms for the Illustrator" by Crawford (on Allworth Press).

"not paid for your time when you create "art."
you are paid for the intellectual thought."

That is one that I didn't know either. I like it.
:iceslolan

I know we have gone over this subject alot of times!
I appreciate your knowledge bonzelite.

"not paid for your time when you create "art."
you are paid for the intellectual thought."

That is one that I didn't know either. I like it.
:iceslolan

I know we have gone over this subject alot of times!
I appreciate your knowledge bonzelite.

yes, grant. i know that you know --please allow me to continue beating you over the head with it-- you seem like you're "riding the fence." that is, you seem ripe for a life-makeover. you know like on those "extreme makeover" shows? you seem ready to bust out, buddy. time to get gnarly. do a sort of "take two" on your life. say "ok. this is my new life. here it is. i'm going to take a deep breath and take the plunge."

no more ass-kissing some slavemaster. yes, we all must do that throughout life at various times. and we must also break free.

The only drawing i have ever sold is one my grandad requested.
I would love to be making 600 a week, i could live off that :iceslolan

I hate modern art, that stuff annoys me, its just shapes and i can't believe some of the stuff that gets but in art galleries.

yay first post :iceslolan

The only drawing i have ever sold is one my grandad requested.
I would love to be making 600 a week, i could live off that :iceslolan

I hate modern art, that stuff annoys me, its just shapes and i can't believe some of the stuff that gets but in art galleries.

yay first post :iceslolan

welcome, freedom. your name is appropriate for this thread.

be reminded, as well, that lots of shit in art galleries that is modern sells for $50,000. there's lots of rich dentists with no taste out there.

:evillol:
Being hit over the head many times is comforting to me.
bonzelite I just don't wanna go hungry.
The changes that I will make will have to be slow.
I have to keep some sort of lifeline in the form of
my lousy day job at least until I figure out how to make money in a better way. As much as I would like to, I think
telling my boss to "eat it" would be irresponsible on my part. I have done it a few times since graduating and
each time I ended up with a different but equally
shitty art job. I even quit this guy once before and he hired me back
after I quit a job in norcross. :)

:evillol:
Being hit over the head many times is comforting to me.
bonzelite I just don't wanna go hungry.
The changes that I will make will have to be slow.
I have to keep some sort of lifeline in the form of
my lousy day job at least until I figure out how to make money in a better way. As much as I would like to, I think
telling my boss to "eat it" would be irresponsible on my part. I have done it a few times since graduating and
each time I ended up with a different but equally
shitty art job. I even quit this guy once before and he hired me back
after I quit a job in norcross. :)
LOL! Norcross! hahahahaha! i hate norcross!!! i hate the whole gawd awful 285/85 north area, "gwinnett." and spaghetti junction. i hated duluth and all of that shit up there!!! hahahahahahaha!!! i hate 285!!! hahahahahahahaha!!! that whole area can just burn in hell!

of course you have to "work it" before you split. you must be ready to cut the line. i am just giving you an overwhelming helping of some ass-kicking into gear. you've got to set a goal to get out of there, man. it will kill your spirit otherwise. :icon16:

i once bought a dean markley bass amp from a guy in duluth. it had this Y106 sticker on the back. when i got home, not liking country music, i removed the sticker and found a "gwinnett county property public schools" serial number plate on it! it was frikin' stolen!!!

but i kept it. what was i to do? say, "hey, can i have my money back, you stole this.." --asking money back from a theif. i kept the amp for about five years and then had to sell it to make rent when i was a poor oppressed artist making shit money.

you can always sell your equipment if you cannot make ends meet while you are "becoming" something better. ;)

"i hate 285!!! hahahahahahahaha!!!
that whole area can just burn in hell!"
That would make a good t-shirt.
I agree that area sux!

we could design a burning of norcross t-shirt. or how about having cars falling off of spaghetti junction? like an earthquake? massive disaster. tornadoes. have a combination of fires, floods, tornadoes, earthquakes, all hitting doraville or tucker or norcross area. the action would be spectacular on the tom moreland interchange. imagine the storyboards for that!!

then we could sell them in norcross, or wherever, and you can tell your boss to kiss your a$$!!

That would be nice.
Would have to use your storyboards to sell a summer blockbuster disaster
movie to some of your producer buddies. Probably make more
money than the shirts. :)
Anyway, my part of the deal is I get a sag check for a small
speaking role. "look it's a giant comet and it is headed
toward the DUNKIN DONUTS on jimmy Carter"
Plus merchandising rights.
I get to sell all of the mexican action figures.
It will be big!

That would be nice.
Would have to use your storyboards to sell a summer blockbuster disaster
movie to some of your producer buddies. Probably make more
money than the shirts. :)
Anyway, my part of the deal is I get a sag check for a small
speaking role. "look it's a giant comet and it is headed
toward the DUNKIN DONUTS on jimmy Carter"
Plus merchandising rights.
I get to sell all of the mexican action figures.
It will be big!
i've begun to corrupt you. excellent. :smokin:
you've made the first step.

what in the hell are you still doing up? i'm working right now.

knight, i implore that you abandon the whole "time = value" axiom. it is bullshit. you're not paid for your time when you create "art." you are paid for the intellectual thought.

if it took me ten minutes to paint the mona lisa, i would charge millions of dollars for it. i don't care how long it takes.

to now switch on you, i am paid "by the day" to do storyboards. there is a general citywide "accepted" rate for that. but there is always a "fudge-factor." for example, if the person in the office, at the front desk, was a bitch, i will charge the company more money to punish them. if she does not pay for my parking, i will charge the company an extra hour --punishing them for MY inconvenience. if i get a parking ticket because the company refused to show me employee parking, i will charge them 2 more extra hours because they made me angry.

conversely, if the company was nice, people were fun, i will often let lots of things slide. i will often undercharge them for my time because they made my life fun on that job.

for "fine art" or paintings, that is an entirely different thing. that is not a "minimum wage" type of project. that is a "i'm charging you $60000.00 because that is the percevied value of this piece of work --how badly do you want this hanging above your couch? you either want it or you do not."

and: "by the way, it took five minuts to paint this and it is still $6000.00"

can you begin to see what i mean? you must entirely shift your whole head aruond and rethink art + business. they are the SAME. if you insist on minimum wage thinking and "i'm not really good enough to charge so much ...." then you are getting EXACTLY what you have expected: NOTHING.

i am telling you, nearly ALL renaissance "masters" were shrewd businessmen who had slaves working for them, painting the underpaintings of many famous works. rembrandt would show up after lunch and touch things up and sign his name. not every piece is done this way, but you'd be surprised how many were created on an assembly line.

why did rembrandt basically invent "etching"? ---> to make hundreds of prints of the same work to make mucho $$$$$!! he didn't do it just because "etching" is some sacred "art form." it was the precursor to the poster. why are posters made? ---> to sell millions of copies of the same image to make millions of dollars very quickly.

there are 2 kinds of people: those who have money. and those who want the money that others have. don't stay the latter.

find a hero and mimic them. mine is rembrandt. in his prime, he was a rich bastard, churning out prints and paintings from his factory studio (except he died in poverty, so i skip that part!) :icon16:

I do understand. It's like um... writing a book. completely different than counting screws. The use of brain makes the difference.

I just wanted to compare it, I meant you should be payed at least with this "minimum wage" because if you get less for it, then something must be wrong.

You make a good artwork in an hour and get 6 Euros for it, and then you count some screws for 6 Euro for an hour. That would be bullshit, sure.

Of course there are no limits how much a painting can be worth... in the news, I saw these drawings of a monkey, auctioned for over 30,000 Dollars, I think.

I do understand. It's like um... writing a book. completely different than counting screws. The use of brain makes the difference.

I just wanted to compare it, I meant you should be payed at least with this "minimum wage" because if you get less for it, then something must be wrong.

You make a good artwork in an hour and get 6 Euros for it, and then you count some screws for 6 Euro for an hour. That would be bullshit, sure.

Of course there are no limits how much a painting can be worth... in the news, I saw these drawings of a monkey, auctioned for over 30,000 Dollars, I think.
right. the "minimum wage" you speak of can be found in this book:

Graphic Artists Guild Handbook : Pricing & Ethical Guidelines (Graphic Artists Guild Handbook of Pricing and Ethical Guidelines, 10th Edition)
by Graphics Artists Guild

it is for sale here:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0932102115/002-9113718-9365600?v=glance

450 pages english... phew, thats too much for me.

450 pages english... phew, thats too much for me.

get it anyway and figure it out. there are lots of charts with price guides. those will be your main concern. then convert american dollars to whatever currency you use.

or look for this book in your country. or one similar to it. you are german?
regardless, you know enough english to post here. so you're only screwing yourself if you don't at least check it out. you will be able to read a lot of it.

450 pages english... phew, thats too much for me.

Hey, you speak better english than i do!
I make more mistakes. :lol2:

chris

I am a bad procrastinator and was catching up on work till about 4:30AM :) .
A plus from our talks is I did get my boss to let me work from home 100%.
But I end up surfing the web and playing games all day and doing my work really late. And to think I could be trying to better myself by drawing or something. I am a slacker.
And Nicecar and knightvision you both speak english better than I do.
:lol2:

I am a bad procrastinator ....
And Nicecar and knightvision you both speak english better than I do.
:lol2:

you say i speak better than you do?

procrastinatororationator?

That long word means that I am lazy.
I am from south georgia.
Everybody in my country automatically frowns on georgian english.
You are german and I bet you speak more correct english than I do :)

That long word means that I am lazy.
I am from south georgia.
Everybody in my country automatically frowns on georgian english.
You are german and I bet you speak more correct english than I do :)

actually i'm english, lol.
i'm just as procrastsaasssssss....whatever as you are.

:jump3: :bricks1:

on the topic of selling art, who wants some of my art?
how much for?

Sorry chris thought you were from the fatherland!
:evillol:
I some times listen to the world service on the bbc
and I wonder if we even do speak the same language.

Sorry chris thought you were from the fatherland!
:evillol:
I some times listen to the world service on the bbc
and I wonder if we even do speak the same language.

lol you seem to make jokes...

fatherland? Germany? lol, explain.

I got it from the jeremy guy on top gear.
I - like most americans - know nothing about europe.
And I really don't know what it means.
But since chris said he was from GB I thought I would
steal a britsh guy's joke.

The funny part to me about topgear is those guys
like to rib the germans but it is only because it kills them
that "the germans" make way better cars.
Just look at em gush over the carrera gt. :grinyes:
And what have they got? TVR'S! :lol2:

Hehe, I see.

I'm interested in those jokes, like somebody around here once said "I'm not going to be a Nazi about it". I thought you made a allusion on WW II. It's always interesting to see what the people like you and me think about each others country. Especially regarding Germanys history.
The Germans now finally started to make fun about their own past. I love "Hogan's Heroes", and saw that Chaplin movie "the great dictator".

We astimate you as air polluters, easy-going or even lazy, patriotic and religious people.

lol don't take that too serious.

We astimate you as air polluters, easy-going or even lazy, patriotic and religious people.

LOL> that is actually often true!!

i'm american, but not "typical." americans do largely see the germans, today, as nazis. i think the WW2 stigma is hard to shake off.

the greatest threat to america is it's own self: america creates it's own enemies, and then rises to "fight" what it has created. i speak largely of china here. the "real" threat to america is not "terrorism," but economic warfare. and china is poised to destroy europe and america very soon. china is the "great sleeping dragon."

america itself is becoming more and more totalitarian like china: the greatest irony.

Sorry.
Didn't mean to offend.
You are right about us. :)
I don't like many aspects of my country.
I feel that the us government has been corrupted
by big business. The US also has a massive
gap between the very rich and very poor that most
of europe has lessened. That is a much bigger threat to the
future of our country than terrorism could ever be.
It is funny how we are the richest country in the world and we spend
all of our lives paying taxes and we are duped into thinking
socialized medicine is a bad thing. :)
It amazes me that the wide spread poverty that exists in the
southern us doesn't exist in europe. If you have a job in
germany you will make enough to pay your bills.
Here you can work full time and still be in poverty.
It is crazy how apathetic americans are to these kinds of things.

if you want to get an idea of the united states for the next 30 years, look at china. this is what america is modeling itself after. it will not be "communist," as china is not really that anymore: it is headed towards totalitarian capitalism --exactly what china is. and exactly what america is becoming.

you ain't seen nothing yet.

I agree bonzelite, was it "network" that said that all of the government isms
in the world have been replaced by money.That old assed movie was right on.

I agree bonzelite, was it "network" that said that all of the government isms
in the world have been replaced by money.That old assed movie was right on.

you mean the movie "network"? i never saw that film. probably should.

yes, governments and sovereignty have been largely replaced by economic forces. it is sad but true. look at how china is now bidding to buy unocal: an american oil company right here in socal! chevron claims that china will not "win."

the thing is, china is simply bit by bit forcing the united states to lick it's feet. if not unocal today, then some other company tomorrow. eventually, something heinous is going to happen. this may, as well, be a repeat of the 1980's "jap scare." recall then when all of the hype was that japan was buying up all of america? and now they're in economic ruin.

but look at what the supreme court just did: passed into law that "eminent domain" now extends to private enterprise: a company, like wal mart, can lobby a city's government to not only build a store in town, but tear down houses for it --legally and against the will of the people --just like china-- not democratic but totalitarian.

in fact, that scenario just happened in connecticut: an elderly couple was just last week forced out of their home because the city wants a strip mall. not a park or highway --a commercial development. money owns all --and it is blurring the line between state and commerce.

our civil liberties are being gradually stolen away from us. and nobody gives a damn.

that's pretty darned good.

have you considered making prints of the work and selling it hundreds of times over?
I was just recently contacted by a car/truck/bike customizer who saw this forum and asked me to think about doin design work for them. THINKIN........................................

I was just recently contacted by a car/truck/bike customizer who saw this forum and asked me to think about doin design work for them. THINKIN........................................

you may want to try it out. the worst thing would be that you hated it. and you could just walk away from it.

their budget would be an issue, too.

LOL> that is actually often true!!

i'm american, but not "typical." americans do largely see the germans, today, as nazis. i think the WW2 stigma is hard to shake off.

the greatest threat to america is it's own self: america creates it's own enemies, and then rises to "fight" what it has created. i speak largely of china here. the "real" threat to america is not "terrorism," but economic warfare. and china is poised to destroy europe and america very soon. china is the "great sleeping dragon."

america itself is becoming more and more totalitarian like china: the greatest irony.

I like you nevertheless. As long as you buy our cars.

Prejudices are hindering, but fun somehow.

I agree with you. We can't shake it off completely.
There were so many documentations and coverage on our Nazi past in the last few months on TV because of the 60-years-over celebrations, I'm really fed up with this now.

see the recent movie "crash." that is a genius film. and a very human story. it is all about racism in america, set in LA.

the movie made me cry.