2.4 liter mods

I have a 2001 GA SE 2.4 liter with a 5 speed transmission. I've only spent money on cosmetics so far and I want to start spending $$ on mods. Any suggestions with what I should buy first?? Should I go with an exhaust first? or an intake? what do you guys think. the only thing i've bought so far for mods is a short shifter. :)

well i would go with a intake .... cold air intake .. that would be a good start for your car ...do you have synthetic oil?... that would be another good thing to have.

Why what would the synthetic oil do that the conventional oil wont?

synthetic oil gives better protection ... lasts longer ... and from what i seen frees up 2-3 hp .... but its up too you if you think the price is worth it...you have to get a synthetic oil filter too

your not going to gain any power on synthectic. but it is good protection.

I would start with an intake, put it on yourself to get a feel for engine mods. www.induction-dynamics.com makes the only cold air intake for your car, but you can get an warm air intake from AEM, Weapon-R, Iceman, and so on. After that go for exhuast. Also you might want to check out www.quad4forums.com theres alot of helpful things there.

try some new performance plugs. So they run cold. and new plug wires too. Also try a air fan (mover) in the air intake hose to move the air better....try turbonics or tornado. Thoes are some small things.

try some new performance plugs. So they run cold. and new plug wires too. Also try a air fan (mover) in the air intake hose to move the air better....try turbonics or tornado. Thoes are some small things.

Different plugs on these motors will do nothing. There are NO plug wires on these motors, so you cant buy performance ones. No, those things are trash. Please return to whereever you came from, and take your bad info with you.

oh, we are talking about thoes small 4 bangers?....forgot that we were. i guess you guys like cars that sound like lawn mowers huh?....i dont, a big powerfull moded V6! will do it for me...like to hear that roar and not that weed eater noise.

If you feel like diving into the motor, swap out your cams with 2.3 cams, they have better lift and duration, just search around on the forums about which ones to use. As for exhaust, a high flow cat and dual exhaust (like on the gt's) with a pair of performance mufflers will provide more horsepower, and while you have the top of the motor apart might as well port and polish the head and intake and exhaust manifold, unless you can find a header for it.. Anyone out there know of where one of those can be gotten? As for that weed eater noise, forget the fart cans the kids are running on the hondas, all those get you is hassle from the cops...

If you feel like diving into the motor, swap out your cams with 2.3 cams, they have better lift and duration, just search around on the forums about which ones to use. As for exhaust, a high flow cat and dual exhaust (like on the gt's) with a pair of performance mufflers will provide more horsepower, and while you have the top of the motor apart might as well port and polish the head and intake and exhaust manifold, unless you can find a header for it.. Anyone out there know of where one of those can be gotten? As for that weed eater noise, forget the fart cans the kids are running on the hondas, all those get you is hassle from the cops...

Yea i know where you can get a header. What year? pre 92? 92-95? 96-98? 99+?

oh, we are talking about thoes small 4 bangers?....forgot that we were. i guess you guys like cars that sound like lawn mowers huh?....i dont, a big powerfull moded V6! will do it for me...like to hear that roar and not that weed eater noise.

LOL, to bad your 3100 or 3300 is a pile of shit. The fastest grand ams have the 4 cylinders in them, stock, or modded. You little list of parts isnt going to add power on a V6 (besides maybe plug wires), you just listed a bunch of trash for the kid to waste his money on.

92-95 gt

what the hell are you talking about?..you know why they use the 3300 in indy cars?...guess not, becuase they are the only ones who have enough get up and go and power...i guess sence you say that the 4 bangers are faster and have more power than they should be using them. I really guess that you are the one with bad info. Those 4 cylindres dont have near the torque that the V6 have. Your carzy. After you pounded the shit out of them 4's how long did they last for?...hell, they cant take the beating as a V6 can. But hey, not trying to make bad vibe between us man cause yes, the four cylinders have a little bit better get up and go in a car but thats almost it, other than gas mileage (but I have seen V6's get better too). Sorry if it sounds like Im mad at you...just a little frustraded (work, stress, family issues i guess). ttyl guys.
Cody.

what the hell are you talking about?..you know why they use the 3300 in indy cars?...guess not, becuase they are the only ones who have enough get up and go and power...i guess sence you say that the 4 bangers are faster and have more power than they should be using them. I really guess that you are the one with bad info. Those 4 cylindres dont have near the torque that the V6 have. Your carzy. After you pounded the shit out of them 4's how long did they last for?...hell, they cant take the beating as a V6 can. But hey, not trying to make bad vibe between us man cause yes, the four cylinders have a little bit better get up and go in a car but thats almost it, other than gas mileage (but I have seen V6's get better too). Sorry if it sounds like Im mad at you...just a little frustraded (work, stress, family issues i guess). ttyl guys.
Cody.

What indy car do you know of that used a GM 90degree v6 engine? do you have a link? What about the the land speed records back in the early 90s set by cars powered by turbo quad 4s? Ive seen many quad 4 run to 200,000 miles, ive driven my car hard, and its at 110,000 now and still going. And then how many joe smoes do you know that have run anything better then mid 13s out of a 3100, 3300, or 3400? I know of several quad 4's that have done this and even a few that have hit low 12s high 11s.

92-95 gt

http://www.the-race-shop.com/HUpdate.html
there you go

Stock!?....ok, now i know your full og BS. You sound like that guy who said his 2.8L Blazer could do a quarter mile in 9 seconds. i have the facts sitting right next to me. 1990 quad 4 with 190 HP would do it in 15.8, the 1994-1995 would do it in 18.2!.....yea right, low 12's, and the 3100 V6 1996 did it 16.5...yea, these are the facts too and if you dont believe me here is the link:
http://www.yanmark.com/quartermiletimes.html

Stock!?....ok, now i know your full og BS. You sound like that guy who said his 2.8L Blazer could do a quarter mile in 9 seconds. i have the facts sitting right next to me. 1990 quad 4 with 190 HP would do it in 15.8, the 1994-1995 would do it in 18.2!.....yea right, low 12's, and the 3100 V6 1996 did it 16.5...yea, these are the facts too and if you dont believe me here is the link:
http://www.yanmark.com/quartermiletimes.html

The 1990 GA never had 190hp; they had 180hp with the high output quad 4. And I never said stock, I though it was implied that you would have the intelligence to figure out that I was talking modded. Here is a link for you; he runs low 12s on nitrous http://www.killerquad4.com

yea...you can do anything to a motor if you have money...well, i will get our old buick centery....haha, even a buick! with the 3300 and take on to your 2.3 or 2.4 and wipe the doors off....cause the rpms get up to about 6200 before shifting....i hate hearing this, your all show no go. plus y use N20?...its an expencive way to blow your 4 cylinder. you might get one shot off it and it will be done with or close to it...my dad read this and he is a MECHANIC and he said your full of it. he has fixed many cars with 2.0, 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, 3.1, 3.3, 3.4, 3.8, and trucks and im not going to name them...he is the pro and i take his words and his words only cause he knows, and so do I. you and your 4 cylinders....you say ur last long?....not pushin it hard enough i guess for it to last...but thats the way you guys and your rattle chattle 4's are. good day.

yea...you can do anything to a motor if you have money...well, i will get our old buick centery....haha, even a buick! with the 3300 and take on to your 2.3 or 2.4 and wipe the doors off....cause the rpms get up to about 6200 before shifting....i hate hearing this, your all show no go. plus y use N20?...its an expencive way to blow your 4 cylinder. you might get one shot off it and it will be done with or close to it...my dad read this and he is a MECHANIC and he said your full of it. he has fixed many cars with 2.0, 2.3, 2.4, 2.5, 3.1, 3.3, 3.4, 3.8, and trucks and im not going to name them...he is the pro and i take his words and his words only cause he knows, and so do I. you and your 4 cylinders....you say ur last long?....not pushin it hard enough i guess for it to last...but thats the way you guys and your rattle chattle 4's are. good day.


lol, I love when people say, oh I can do this, and this, and this if I had the money. Or a car can do this, this, and this with money. But it never happens; I just showed you a car that in real life has run MANY trips down the drag strip on a 125shot. His car was featured in Pontiac high performance, and took many wins in his class at his local drag strip; he even was the point’s winner at that track in 03 or 04. All you can show me (tell me) is that you can do this with this car, well the truth is, and your living a dream, b/c it’s never going to happen.

That’s nice that your father is a mechanic, I work around many mechanics, and they aren’t the smarts people in the world, otherwise they wouldn’t be doing what their doing for a living, they would work somewhere else and make 200k+ a year.

I’m still waiting on info to support your statement on any GM 90 degree motors being used in Indy. And you still cant name ONE 3100, 3300, 3400 car that runs sub 13s or even mid 13s.

dont need to....im talking stock. again, when you put money into a motor it will go faster, duh. and for that remark about my dad being a mechanic, not the only job he has, he actuly has 2. thats just one of them. But to show you how much more powerful the V6's are to the 4cylinders, go here and read the forums...
http://60degreev6.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=45117&POSTNUKESID=c18d38225906992fb1d28c637d2a479d

dont need to....im talking stock. again, when you put money into a motor it will go faster, duh. and for that remark about my dad being a mechanic, not the only job he has, he actuly has 2. thats just one of them. But to show you how much more powerful the V6's are to the 4cylinders, go here and read the forums...
http://60degreev6.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=45117&POSTNUKESID=c18d38225906992fb1d28c637d2a479d


well lets talk stock, the 2.3L quad 4 W41 has 190hp, the 3400 has 175hp. So how are these v6s much more powerful then the 4 cylinders?

I don't know what pisses me off more. A guy with POS, stock OHV v6 who thinks his 17 second rig is fast, a guy who doesn't know WTF he is talking about, or a guy who thinks he knows what he's talking about because "my dad's a mechanic" or "my boyfriend is a mechanic" or "my friend is a mechanic."

Yeah, well, #1 its not real hard to be a mechanic. Lots of dumbasses are mechanics. It's why i'll never take my car to one.

#2. 3300/3100 grand ams are slow stock. face it. I've owned a 3100 grand am. SLOW. 3300's are even slower. I will never own another car with one of these engines.

#3. Jim feuling picked a Quad 4 to set land speed records in. not a 3300 or any other GM v6. A QUAD 4. OHV v6's have little potential. A high flowing, good breathing DOHC engine has a lot of potential. Does a car called the AREOTECH bring anything to mind?

#4... 3300 used in indy cars... LOL yeah... i don't know what your smoking, but they never used a 3300. :disappoin well if you want real facts, quad 4's were used in indy cars for a while...

oh, yeah, i've never seen a 3300 shift at 6200 rpm :rofl: try 5500.

yeah. a W41 quad 4 will rev to 7400. Stock, it makes 190 hp. STOCK, a W41 powered oldsmobile cultass calais RUNS A 14.7 in the quarter mile. stock. with a quad 4. stock. all... fucking... stock.

I have yet to see a stock 3300 "blow the doors" off of ANY 14 second car. Or see a STOCK 3300 get less than a 16.8 in the quarter mile.

granted... you probably wasted some peice of crap single overhead cam quad and was like "yeah i wasted one of them quads... they're not that fast..." lol dumbass. you probably can't even tell the difference between a high-output quad 4 and a SOHC quad. :shakehead

and, with all the money you put into that 3.3.... you'd have had a much faster quad 4. or honda, for that matter. :shakehead :rofl: (yeah i just threw that last bit in there to piss you off.)

oi. smart, smart man you are.

oh, btw, the 3300 isn't a 60 degree engine. WTF did you even link to that... :shakehead

http://quad4forums.com/darkfox/16.jpg

read it.

hell....5500?....ur crazy....and my dad isnt a dumbass...he got a scholership to arizona state bbut he diclinde it cause he was gettin married to my mom. he was a great student and was the #1 ranked wrestler of the state of iowa for high school...and i know cause he still has the papers. plus, i know that the 4's are very quick but i know for a fact that they cant withstand the punishment that the v6's can...so dont say they do by "oh mine has 110xxx on it and it still runs...well thats you and if you say that ur pyuonding it hard....than not hard enough. trust me, dont care if you dont, but i do know what im talking about. and if you want to take me on in a 3300 grand am in a quartemile...all i have to do is wait till they get to about 30 mph and i will show you where the bear shits in the buckwheat.

and that thing about 3300 used in indy's..hell go back to school, because i watch them....and i know that they did....so dont go stay stuff that you dont know about.

and again....just so yea know....im selling my grand am....not cause of the motor (because it work just great) but i always wanted a car that had alot of boost to it...im gettin a ssei bonniville 3800 s/c....and if you slhow me a quad four that can top that motor out...go ahead....any stock wont do it....and that thing about the 2.3 with 190 hp and the 3400 with 175...it dosnt matter....the 3400 kicked its ass by a long shot....so it goes to shhow you, you cant tell how fast a car goes with just its hp.

Ok nice little argument going here... think about THIS: 2 identical cars, one with a 190hp 4cyl, and one with a 175hp v6... hmmm.. the 4cyl car is going to be lighter by several hundred pounds, thus making the horsepower to weight ratio even more in its favor.. hmmm think about this: the only transmission available for the v6 is a crapomatic, whereas you can get either a crapomatic or a 5speed for the 4cyl... lets see here, computer designed and controlled shifting versus pissed off testosterone filled enraged male driver controlling the shifter (sorry ladies but it really works in this argument, not trying to dis anyone...), yup, the 4cyl car is going to take it. torque will get you rolling, but horsepower takes it away from torque after about 10mph... and anyone with a little common sense will realise that yes a v6 grand am will take a 4cyl crapomatic grand am, but try running against a good driver with a manual transmission and be prepared to eat your words...

And by the way, did it really hurt your head over the last five days to think up all the crap you just posted? Use common sense, lighter car identical to the heavier car, of course the lighter car is going to be quicker (just had to throw that in again). And yes I have a quad 4 with 236000 miles on it, and it has had the crap beaten out of it, guess what it still runs strong.

LOL, what does your father being a wrestler have to do with his knowledge of cars? I have a buddy that was a really good wrestler in HS, and whom also a full scholorship to college, but the guy knows NOTHING when it comes to cars. (i just dont see your point there)

Now, you say you want to race me. Fine by me, ive run a best of 16.1 (nothing outstanding by any means) You stock 3300 will never run anything better then a 16.5.

Now onto the 3400 vs. W41 The W41 Calias runs a 14.7 STOCK, were as the 3400 GAGT runs a 15.5 at its best STOCK.